Nissan Launches New Longer Range 2016 LEAF – Video

SEP 15 2015 BY MARK KANE 63

2016 Nissan LEAF - some 250 km NEDC range

2016 Nissan LEAF – some 250 km NEDC range

Nissan is slowly beginning to market its new 2016 LEAF with 30 kWh battery pack in Europe.

Longer range LEAF has a estimated range of 250 km in NEDC (155 miles), although the EPA number stands at 107 miles.

Nissan said that nearly 45,000 LEAFs were sold in Europe, while worldwide the cumulative sales figure for the LEAF is approaching 200,000.

We found a bug in the description – “30kw“.

“Nissan has unveiled its new longer range LEAF at Frankfurt Motor Show 2015. To celebrate it’s launch, Nissan has created a video infographic which details the success of the world’s best-selling electric vehicle to date, key information about the new 30kw battery and some interesting facts which highlight the benefits of the increased range.”

2016 Nissan LEAF

2016 Nissan LEAF

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With EU resently passing 45,000 LEAF deliveries, it is closing in on Japan as the #2 global market. As of Feb Japan had accumulated 50,000 LEAF sales, likely closer to 55,000 range now, but sales are not as hot as in EU.
http://insideevs.com/japan-plug-electric-car-sales-february-nissan-crosses-50000-leafs-sold/

With the 2016 LEAF going on-sale as 2016 starts, we should expect global sales to push by 1/4 million in 2016. It will be interesting to see what a 107 mile range does to sales numbers in each region.

Speculawyer

I would think that EV sales would be more popular in Japan. It is not a big country and they’ve got plenty of Chademo Chargers.

But I guess it is not much of a car culture and the aging population is not into the fancy new technology.

Mike777

Plus, Japan imports a lot of oil.
This would really boost Japanese economic activity and cut their trade deficit.

23 extra miles really is significant if you stop and think about it. In fact, it is more than most PHEVs have to begin with. 23 miles is enough to literally drive across many large cities. In my own personal world, the Leaf would now have enough range for me to get from Ft.Worth to Waco. And if Waco had a chademo charger (they don’t to my knowledge) I could make it to Austin.

Speculawyer

It really does make a big difference. For me, with ~80 miles of range I can just barely make it to the nearby big cities and back. Thus, out of caution, I generally have to make sure I charge up at my destination. But with 100+ miles, I’d be able to easily make it without worrying about getting a charge.

I still wouldn’t want to take a road trip with it. But it certainly makes regional trips much less worrisome.

Dave R

Not only is the additional range when new significant, with the longer capacity warranty Nissan has confidence that the battery will be significantly more durable as well meaning that you will retain even more range years down the road.

The additional 25% range up front with a more durable battery should result in a well-used 30 kWh LEAF with about the range of a brand-new 24 kWh LEAF. And compare that well-used 30 kWh LEAF to a well-used 24 kWh LEAF with similar miles/age and it’s quite likely the 30 kWh LEAF will have up to 50% more range remaining.

This 30 kWh battery is the battery Nissan should have launched with.

100 miles is nice, but still not enough for me. I require 200 min. In cold Michigan, I need to get to destinations that are 60 miles away without relying on a destination charger. Even 200 miles might be scary in the Winter when it’s -20 here.

Boris

24kwh or 30kwh makes no difference really. It’s either plug-in hybrid or fully electric with 55kwh battery at least + the necessary infrastructure. BEVs with these small batteries make no sense in the long run (only as dedicated second family cars)

martinwinlow

Complete twaddle. Clearly you are not an EV driver! MW

Boris

So please tell me how do you make that longer trip in a Leaf. 300 miles there and 300 miles back, or if you simply have to drive 120 miles somewhere in winter. These 24kwh battery BEVs sell mainly because of the incentives…

Dragon

I think you answered your own question. They make sense as a second (generally primary) car for shorter trips with a second gas car for longer trips. Only if most of your trips are over 100 miles (less below 32F) does the leaf make less sense.

Leaf can also be the only car in your house if you’re willing to rent or borrow for the long trips.

Haitham

I agree with you so much !!! Well said. Nissan marketing team failed to grab the whole market immediately with this 30kW battery. Hi were the cost may have been higher to launch.

Londo Bell

This (“slight” increase in range) plus the rumored significant increase in range for Gen 2…think of their applications on the e-NV200!

Perfect for many families (unless you are one of those who drive your own vehicles, rather than rentals, for really long trips).

ericonline

This would have been a lot more exciting 2 years ago. But now we’re so much closer to Bolt, Model 3, and LEAF 2 that this bump to 30kwh seems unimpressive – especially considering the price increase and the Base S still getting the old battery. Save up and get a Model S for 63k. At least in won’t depreciate in value to 10k in a few years.

Stephen

You really think a Model S has lower TCO than a Leaf?

ericonline

Of course the TCO of a MS is higher than the LEAF. Otherwise LEAF sales would be 0. But at this point the LEAF is clearly a value loser vs the MS.

Brian

The irony of mentioning depreciation, of course, is that a Model S will depreciate by the full value of a new Nissan Leaf in about 3 years.

ericonline

Are we taking bets on that? Take a look at 2-3 year old Model S prices.

Breezy

Here’s a 2012 P85 with Tech Package, Twin Chargers, Pano Roof, Air Suspension.

http://www.teslamotors.com/models/preowned/p01243

Original price $110,000, can be yours for only $67,500. Depreciation $42,500 in 3 years.

Boris

regular 60 or 85 don’t depreciate this fast (unfortunately)

Breezy

True. I’m still waiting for used prices in Canada to come down.

ericonline

Yes. Funny he picked out the most expensive MSRP he could find (most depreciation) and conveniently left out the tax credit. Actually supports my argument that the LEAF is horrible value compared to the MS.

In terms of “real dollars” the LEAF actually nets a very small amount of loss…in theoretical “on paper dollars” it is much higher. The price of the Model S is “the price” of the Model S – ex-referral cash the next few weeks (not that we should be doing any comparisons at all to the Model S on any level). But I don’t believe anyone actually has paid MSRP for the LEAF in the past 2-3 years, lol. ie) The Nissan LEAF S is $29,010, the company is running a $5,000 off deal atm, so $24,010 less $7,500 = $16,510. Even at a $10k value after three years (which is quite likely what the base S-trim “$10k” cars will be on the 2016s 3 years from now), that is only an actual ~$6,510 hit to the wallet – in some states, it can be only ~$2,500 total (…on paper it loses $19,010 – but not to the individual buying it). You would be hard pressed to lose less on any other car over 3 years – plug-in or petrol. As for “the maths” on the new/30 kWh car and trims: The new 2016 SV/SL will likely go close to MSRP… Read more »
ericonline

Jay, point taken regarding real prices. But my pessimism on LEAF being a poor value is directed toward the 107 battery and the price increase. Add the price increase of 2k to an SV, the likelihood of the 5,000 incentive to be decreased for 2016, and the destiantion charge of 850 – then your “6,510 hit to the wallet” figure grows a lot closer to 15k, which suddenly makes the TCO and value comparison to a MS seems to make a lot more sense. I know because I was considering a 2016 LEAF until the MS base was lowered to 70k and they sweetened the deal with the referral bonus. With that said, I wish the best for the 2016 LEAF and I hope I am wrong about disappointing sales.

I think that $15k figure could only be accurate if your $10k residual stays the same after 36 months. And by putting it that high ($15k) you are also suggesting demand is high enough that the MSRP will not be cut, but at the same time that the back-end residual will stay incredibly low…so there is a disconnect there whereby both scenarios can’t be true. Really, I don’t think that $10k residual is realistic on the higher trim level/107 mile car after 36 months…but that is a fair number on the S trim/84 mile cars. The 2016 LEAF w/107 miles of range makes it a different animal from the older LEAFs, and the other 9 “city/sub 100 mile” EVs on sale today. I think the effect of the 2016 LEAF will be to seriously hurt the residuals of all the used original “city” EVs, and put a premium on itself at the same time…in the same way the new LEAF SV/SL makes it a lot harder to choose to buy a new Ford Focus Electric or Fiat 500e than it did a year ago. Anyway, I think we are kinda on the same page in some way. Bottom line: Model… Read more »
Breezy

Point taken on the tax credit. But no nefarious intent. It’s the only 2012 in the Tesla CPO listing, so didn’t have a lot of choices.

Still, $35,000 is the price of a Leaf.

SJC

There are more than a dozen 2011 LEAF in the L.A. area that sell for less than $9000 with less than 30,000 miles.

Breezy

Yes, but Brian’s point was that a Tesla can depreciate as much as a NEW Leaf in 3 years.

Pushmi-Pullyu

Breezy said:

“Original price $110,000, can be yours for only $67,500. Depreciation $42,500 in 3 years.”

Cherry-picking the most extreme case you can find, plus ignoring the reduced net price from any tax credits, doesn’t win the argument. In fact, it pretty clearly underscores the fact that you already know your argument isn’t valid.

Breezy

OMG. I didn’t “cherry pick” anything. Like I said, this is the only 2012 on the Tesla CPO site. The only one. As in there were no others to choose from.

Brian

sure. Notice that I said “about” 3 years. So let’s go with +/- 1 year. In 2-4 years will that base Model S depreciate by the value of a base Leaf? And if you are going to include the tax credit, we need to for both cars. But let’s restrict it to federal tax credit so we are state agnostic (this helps the Tesla’s case, BTW).

2015 Leaf S = $21,510 after federal tax credits
2015 Model S 70D = $68,700 after destination fee and tax credit

So (68,700 – 21,510)/68,700 = 68.7%

You think that in 2019, the base Tesla will be worth more than 68.7% of new? I will take that bet.

ericonline

I love it! You include destination charge for the Tesla but not the LEAF. Then you use the 70D which is no longer the base model. Furthermore you use the 2015 S with the old battery that is not relevant to this article. I may have been unclear before but part of my pessimism with the 107 LEAF is due to the price increase.

The Base MS is 71,200 – 7,500 TC – 1,000 referral = $62,700. The 2016 LEAF SV is 35,050 – 7,500 TC = $27,550. So will the MS be worth more than $35,150 (62,700 – 27,550 = 35,150) in 3 years? Yeah, I’d happily take that bet if you are interested. Especially considering the tax credit will likely expire on the Tesla in 3 years making a new Model S cost 80+.

Brian
I never said anything about the longer range leaf – I simply said that a tesla will depreciate by the full value of a new Leaf. As for the Model S 70D, I looked for prices directly from TeslaMotors.com. This was their lowest cost option. Tesla also specifically states there is a destination charge, whereas Nissan doesn’t mention it. Nissan’s website says the car can be had for $21,510 after credits. I stated my assumptions for transparency, but all the numbers I quoted were the lowest numbers available for Nissan/Tesla, straight from their respective websites. I know you’re trying to paint me as a hypocrite here, but your argument is a straw man. So no, I will not take your bet because you are including a referral bonus (how do I guarantee I get that, unless I convince someone else to also buy a car? Or am I misunderstanding it?), and you are choosing a higher priced Leaf than I stated. There is a huge difference between $35,150 and $47,190. Do I think a base 2015 Tesla S will be worth $47,190 in 3 years? Unlikely. And if it is, it will drop below that shortly thereafter. Certainly by the… Read more »
ericonline

I think we both made our points. I believe (and I hope I am wrong) LEAF 107 will have disappointing sales. While the range increase is great, the price increase offsets that. The overwhelming majority of LEAF sales seem to be the S, so I have a hard time being optimistic about SV and SL sales at a much higher price point. BTW, on the Tesla web site if you click on RWD you’ll see the price decrease by 5k and the 1000 rebate is the discount the buyer gets by using anyone’s referral code.

ggpa

Get used to the 107 mile Leaf as the market leader.

I expect some delays before we see 200 mile small EV such as Bolt/Model 3/Leaf 2.0

I find it strange that we know so little about the 200 mile batteries. Do they already exist or are they still under development?

Lad

Right, at this point the 200 mile battery is vapor; and, typically, it will turn out to be a 200 mile estimate on the Japanese cycle which will be far less on the EPA calculations. Expect to pay a premium also and they will only offer it in the top model and with no upgrades to older model years.

Sometimes we forget Nissan is a legacy car maker still using old outdated policies from years of building “gas grunters.”

Jonathan

I won’t do anything with it because if I wait another year and a half I can get a 200+ mile EV for roughly the same price.

Londo Bell

Or, you can wait another year and a half so that prices will drop a whloe lot more…but wait, let’s hold on to that purchase so that you have the latest charging method included, but by then, why not wait for another year or so for even longer range vehicle?

Manufacturer: well, no one is buying EV NOW, so we will just stop production and R&D, and switch back to ICE instead…

shane

It’s still a great improvement. Longer range AND better battery warantee. If it weren’t for the 2016 Volt, I’d be giving it a very serious look.

Larry

If you live in one of the eleven anointed states.

shane

I don’t – but I know where CA is.

I’ve always liked the Leaf.
Good add.

ModernMarvelFan

What is the point of this 2016 LEAF when 2017 we would have 3 choices at 200 miles range with Model 3, LEAF2.0 and Bolt at the same price range of $35,000 ish..

Larry

Not really relevant, but the availability of a 30 kWh battery that would fit my 2012 would be of great significance to me.

shane

I believe they (Nissan) indicated the new battery wouldn’t be reverse-compatible (not retrofitable to pre-2016 Leafs)

You are correct Shane, Nissan have indicated the 30 kWh battery will not be backwards compatible. And I curse them for it.

Lad

Let’s hope somewhere along the way an aftermarket company works out a battery upgrade for the older models. You see Nissan hasn’t figured out that EVs last longer than ICEVs and battery upgrades are a revenue source. They are still thinking like a legacy car maker. Tesla gets it!….and are securing this income source and at the same time keeping up the value of their used cars with a certification program for their used cars.

Nissan doesn’t want to be bothered by used car customers, whereas Tesla values them. I’m trying to sell my Leaf and work out a deal to buy a used Tesla asap just because I think Nissan’s policies stink.

Bill

Nissan can eat a bag of iced vehicles, that is a D*** move.

Pushmi-Pullyu

Lad said:

“You see Nissan hasn’t figured out that EVs last longer than ICEVs and battery upgrades are a revenue source.”

Not at all. Nissan can crunch the numbers just fine. And just like every other auto maker except Tesla, they would much rather sell you a new car than upgrade your old one. Making battery upgrades available to anyone who wants one would cut into their own market for new Leafs.

Brian

“Making battery upgrades available to anyone who wants one would cut into their own market for new Leafs.”

I’m sure this is true to some extent. Yet at the same time, if Nissan will not sell a battery upgrade and their competitor will, why would that customer buy a new Leaf? And not selling upgrades would push down the resale value on used Leafs. So why would another customer choose to buy a Leaf, which depreciates so quickly?

Of course the above thought process requires a legitimate competitor in the same market as Nissan. Today they don’t really have one. This just points to the need for more competition, to force their hands in improving.

ggpa

It depends what you mean by “2017”. Model year or calendar year?

I think it will be more than a year before we see Bolt/Leaf 2.0.

@MMF
the key is a good lease deal.

2 years then on to the next one…..

or buy a used CPO Model S plain jane 85 for 61k$

Brian

Longer range and effectively faster quick charging. This will be much more useful anywhere with a CHAdeMO. If NYS would get off its rear and put them on the Thursday, it would be tolerable to drive the 30kWh Leaf from Syracuse to buffalo and back. Think of it, Bill – I could come to you in an EV for once!

Pete

I will lease one for my women, my 2013 Leaf ends next year. But if in the end of 2016 there is no new 150 miles EV i have a problem, i think she will not change cars anymore if i have no EV…

martinwinlow

Range, range, range…. Just about every comment here relates to range. I should like to point out that even the current LEAF has *way* more than sufficient range for a good 50% or more of typical vehicle daily use, globally.

If you don’t need to drive hundreds of miles a day, why spend more money on an EV that can? EVs are not ICEVs. Get over it! MW

Anon

My daily drive is quite short, but I *DO* take 1200 + mile drives to visit parents and others out of state a couple times a year.

Not gonna hop from CHAdeMonster Stations every 80-100 (?) miles, to get someplace. F’ that.

Bigger batteries not only help with RANGE, they –ALSO– allow the vehicle to accelerate and perform better for highway driving, allow the vehicle to recharge more quickly by taking in more power, and cut down on the number and depth of charge cycles which can prematurely age the battery for shorter, local drives.

An EV battery is the heart and soul of your vehicle. Bigger –IS– better, in almost every way. The sweet spot is around 200 – 300 miles of range. Over 300 miles at current chemistries, and you start to lose performance due to the weight of the pack, on a full sized vehicle.

So, it’s not JUST about RANGE. It’s about EVERYTHING your electric vehicle can do; including how well it performs, and how long it will last, too.

Pushmi-Pullyu

martinwinlow said:

“If you don’t need to drive hundreds of miles a day, why spend more money on an EV that can? EVs are not ICEVs. Get over it!”

By that argument, nobody should have bought the 85 kWh Model S; everyone should have got the 60 kWh version. As it was, only about 2% of buyers wanted the shorter range version.

Martin, people don’t typically buy cars that are barely adequate for their average needs. They buy cars that can handle as close to 100% of their annual needs as possible. And that means getting a car that can, at a minimum, handle an occasional unplanned side trip, possibly during winter when a BEV’s range is reduced. People who are knowledgeable about BEVs also know that their range decreases as the years pass.

Most car buyers are not going to settle for a BEV with a range that leaves no safety margin. Get over it!

Anon

This small update keeps Leaf relevant in the market against e-golf, etc., until their (hopefully more attractive) Gen 2 is released.

I am quite saddened to see Nissan not embracing the concept of allowing earlier owners an opportunity to update to the larger battery. One would think allowing for backwards compatibility would have been a no-brainer. I think this decision will significantly hurt their reputation, when customers decide to buy an EV and want assurances they’ll be able to upgrade the car’s range, years after the sale.

Dave K.

It has hurt their reputation for me, I would have upgraded my 2011 and kept it, I’m now thinking about moving on to another make. Unless they make a battery upgrade for the early adopters I’ll never buy another Nissan, nor will I recommend them to others.

Pushmi-Pullyu

“Longer range LEAF has a estimated range of 250 km in NEDC (155 miles), although the EPA number stands at 107 miles.”

WOW! I knew that the NEDC mileage was inflated, but I didn’t realize it’s that inflated!

Kaleb

I see repeated comparisons between the 107-mile Leaf and EVs that you won’t be able to buy for at least another 12-18 months. Come on guys!

Brian

Yup. And you will continue to see them until those other EVs are available. Not entirely fair to Nissan, since Leaf 2.0 will be available and roughly the same time.

On the other hand, for the group of well-informed consumers here, it is a valid question. Does one buy a 2016 Leaf, or just wait for a 2017 Bolt? Or a 2018 Model III? Or…

Kaleb

And it happens to be the exact predicament I will be in soon. I plan to extend my lease until the 2017 Leaf is available. If it doesn’t have the range or is hideously ugly like the 2016 Prius, I will continue to wait for something better. Ev options on or after 2017-8 should be much greater.