Nissan Exec: Next-Generation LEAF To Be Offered With Multiple Battery Pack Sizes

JUN 22 2016 BY ERIC LOVEDAY 42

Nissan LEAF Range Chart Snapped By Mr. Schmitt

Nissan LEAF Range Chart Snapped By Mr. Bertel Schmitt in Japan

Autocar is reporting that, at least in Europe, Nissan is expected to offer multiple battery pack size for the next-generation Nissan LEAF:

“Nissan’s next-generation Leaf electric hatchback, due in 2018 (Autocar’s opinion only on ETA), will be offered with a series of different battery pack options, one of which could provide a range of up to 340 miles (NEDC).”

Autocar references Gareth Dunsmore, director of Nissan’s zero-emission division, with the revelation of multiple pack sizes. Quoting Dunsmore:

“We have two battery options now, and will grow options, making it more accessible with a longer range and a price to match.”

The more choices the merrier, right?

Nissan LEAF 30 kWh

Nissan LEAF 30 kWh

Autocar adds:

“The recently revised current Leaf is now offered with a larger, 30kWh lithium ion battery pack, which is good for a claimed 155-mile range, up from the 124 miles of the standard 24kWh battery.”

“This strategy is set to continue with the next-gen Leaf, with Nissan set to offer several different batteries to give buyers the option of different ranges — and with an increased price to match.”

“It’s a strategy similar to that of Tesla. Offering larger battery packs allows Nissan to give the Leaf a longer range even though there hasn’t been a significant chemical or technological breakthrough in battery technology, which is understood to still be a decade or so away.”

A note on range estimates from the quotes:  The “155 mile” range from today’s 30 kWh battery on the optimistic NEDC scale is rated at 107 miles/172 km in real world/EPA driving.   Meaning that a future “340 mile”/60 kWh LEAF on the same NEDC rating system would translate to roughly 235 miles/380 km of real world/EPA range.

This strategy is also followed by BMW with the i3 soon to be offered in two pack size as well.

Our assumption has always been that both the 30 kWh battery of today and the 60 kWh battery pack found in the IDS concept (and recently confirmed for LEAF 2.0) would be available options, however the quote “several different batteries” would give the impression there is at least one more, as of yet unknown, battery sizing option.

As we all eagerly await the next-generation LEAF, more choices such as the Chevrolet Bolt and Tesla Model 3 are nearing production. Therefore, the timing for the next-gen LEAF is vital, our expectation for the LEAF is for an early 2017 release in the US and Japan.

As for Tesla’s emergence on the electric car scene, Dunsmore had nothing but praise to offer, along with a little hint that Nissan was the first in this mass-produced electric car segment:

“Having Tesla, the visibility for the technology is a massive benefit. Go to Google, type in ‘EV’ and we’re there. We have expertise in the tech and in making it accessible. We will continue to do that, and the more people that catch up the more visibility there is for us.”

You’ll find some additional details on the next-gen LEAF here. Unfortunately, the vital info like launch timeline and pricing remains a mystery at this point in time.

Source: Autocar

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42 Comments on "Nissan Exec: Next-Generation LEAF To Be Offered With Multiple Battery Pack Sizes"

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30, 45, and 60 would be cool. ?

That would be really the best. But I it will be interested because like Bolt Nissan will use the 56 Ah cells
288 with 3 parallel and 96 in series = 60,5 kWh, two parallel are 40.3 kWh. But I don’t know how you should offer 30 kWh with the same cells, because than the voltage don’t fit.

Or will they copy Tesla and put the same battery in all of them, but use software to limit it? Then later, users can unlock additional kWh for more money?

That is one thing that Tesla Motors does which I don’t see other auto makers trying to copy.

That strategy fits well with Tesla’s strategy of constantly but gradually improving its cars. But it doesn’t fit with the business plan of a more traditional auto maker like Nissan; having models refreshed just once per year, with distinct and visually different “model years”.

Ghosn said already Nissan will also bring over the air updates some time 2018 – 2020, because the resale value is also important for Nissan if you think on leasing deals. I think it was in media roundtable US this year he was asked.

The only reason Tesla can sell 75kWh packs for the price of a 60kWh pack is that Tesla is not yet constrained by the limits of maintaining profitability.

There is no chance any non-startup automaker would be able to eat the loss on the cost of a software-limited larger battery.

A future with OEMs offering pack choices is great because it educates consumers about what, for us, has always been the cowbell.

I think this is a good development. At some point it doesn’t make a lot of sense to offer a battery like Nissan does currently where there is only about 20% difference, especially if there is only 20% difference in the price of the battery.

But.. If the Leaf were offered with a 120 mile battery and a 250 mile battery (or somewhere in those ballparks)… that is good:

1) Cheaper battery still offers over 100 miles range, good for most people. Shouldn’t cost any more than current generation Leaf.

2) Larger battery with over 200 miles of range good for regional travel and almost no range anxiety for those willing to fork over several thousand dollars extra.

Cheaper battery at current vehicle prices is no good: the current price is high enough that few buyers would opt for short range over long range.

But as the overall price falls and prices approach mainstream ICEV, a few thousand dollars will begin to matter more.

The question now is, at what trim model are these packs available.
My guess is these battery pack options will only be available on higher trim models.

Who’s going to buy a 2nd gen Leaf with a 30kWh batt.? If they start at 60kWh and go up from there, they may have something.

Some might, but I think the main reason for a smaller battery offering it to get people in the door. You should be able to convince a lot of them to upgrade their plans then.

Perhaps 45, 60 and 75 kWh versions would be good.

30 kWh model for $28, 60 kWh model for $35k looks good.

A lot of people will go for the lower range if it is enough for their short commutes.

Maybe the same people who go for a 2016 Leaf with a 24kWh battery? For people who want an inexpensive entry-level EV, the Leaf is going to be it.

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Only imagine you and your wife drive both 20-30 miles each day, would you buy two 60 kWh Leafs? I would take on 30 kWh and on 60 kWh for. Today we have one 24 kWh Leaf and a Hybrid, the hybrid would be replace.

Exactly Alex, my 5 year old degraded battery Leaf is still our main car with a older Prius when we need to go farther. It sits for days on end and I sometimes drive it just to keep the 12V charged and the gas from going stale.

That is my fleet mix as well.

They should already be doing more by offering 30kwh on the lowest trim. I would say there is quite a number of people who don’t care about alloy wheels but need more range.

It’s coming.
This is what a Nissan rep, told me at the EVS29 in Montréal saterday.

Finally…

Battery size option is the same as engine options for the ICE. Give the customer the choice.

But an engine with more power would bei nice too 🙂

notting

Will it be possible to
– rent an additional battery (or a battery with more range which replaces the original one) if I temporarily need more range?
– buy an add an additional battery (or a battery with more range which replaces the original one) later if my requirements change?

And did I understand this sentence correctly?
““Nissan’s next-generation Leaf electric hatchback, due in 2018 (Autocar’s opinion only on ETA),”

Does that mean that the ETA (estimate arrival time) would be 2018 is just the opinion of Autocar?

notting

A while back I had a discussion with Jay Cole (via these article comments) about the next-generation Leaf. It was his opinion at the time (may still be) that Nissan will release the second generation as a 2018 model year, in the 2017 calendar year. Maybe that is what Autocar is thinking as well?

“Does that mean that the ETA (estimate arrival time) would be 2018 is just the opinion of Autocar?”

Yes, that’s what it means.

Nissan can now launch a model 3 competitor with out the supercharger network. Offering a gasser loaner car for a few holiday weekends a year is hard to swallow, while Tesla owners get the whole EV experience 24/7/365. Nissan has just got to get access to some of the network if they really want to help build out the supercharging infrastructure. I still doubt their commitment to make EVs all purpose vehicles.

In Japan its opposite, 7000 CHademos and less SC. But I think Europe is also getting better and better, live near Switzerland in there its a dream. Also france is very good. I would not say SC is a huge advantage, it depends where you live in US the SC network is an advantage.

its 24/7/56 or 24/365 but 24/7/365 makes no sense. What do you mean? 24 hours a day, 7 days, 365 days or 365 weeks, 365 weeks is around 7 years or the average age of cars running now.

mr. M
June 23, 2016 at 3:52 am

“its 24/7/56 or 24/365 but 24/7/365 makes no sense.”

Just because you get a 13th month’s paycheck doesn’t mean you have worked for 56 weeks that year. Believe me, I know, ’cause I live on the same planet as you, and my year has only 52 weeks. 😉

More important than offering models is whether TMS is supported with Leaf 2.0. My Leaf in Chicago has dropped 15% range in 3 years & 37k miles. My other 2015 Leaf in Phoenix has dropped 15% in 2 years and 12k miles.

Whereas Tesla owners with an active TMS are seeing 5-10% degradation at 100,000 miles.

And Volt owners with 250,000 miles with little degradation.

+1

Agreed. Without better temp management I won’t get a 2nd Leaf.

Was very disappointed with the Leaf we had. Also shocked that Nissan refused to stand behind their battery. For me…No active cooling no buy.

Degration got way better in the 30 kWh Leaf because of the usage of 3 anodes instead of only 1 per cell. That alone should at least increase the lifetime by a factor of 3.

Thank you Eric!

As you write, the teeny detail of timing, is key.

Personally, any time before July 2017 will work for us 🙂

24 kWh – $24k
30 kWh – $29k
60 kWh – $38k with AWD, chademo and 40 kW AC charging.

IMO The high end leaf should directly compete with the low end model 3. The low end leaf should increase the size of the market by providing a lower cost practical option.

I hope for

Battery:
30 kWh – 28$
48 kWh – 32$
60 kWh – 35$

Charging:
Chademo (120kW) – 1k$ extra
AC 3.3kW base
AC 6.6kW +1000 or AC 11kW +1500

Driving:
Base is 80kW motor
130 kW motor +3000 (only 60kWh battery)
180 kW motor +7000 (only 60kWh battery)
AWD – 3k$ extra

120 KWh for 48000 $ would be super cool 😉

“Meaning that a future ‘340 mile’/60 kWh LEAF on the same NEDC rating system would translate to roughly 235 miles/380 km of real world/EPA range.”

No way will a 60 kWh pack in a Leaf yield 235 miles of EPA range. The only way that would be physically possible is if Nissan makes the Leaf 2.0 into a microcar, in addition to a drastic improvement in streamlining.

And the chances that Nissan will make the Leaf 2.0 such a tiny microcar are slim and none.

Nissan will be doing good with the Leaf 2.0 if they can match the Bolt’s range of, what was it, 207 miles? …with a 60 kWh pack. They just might possibly be able to do slightly better if they go all-in on streamlining, as Tesla did for the Model ≡. But I strongly doubt they will.

235 miles are totally realistic when they overtake good drag from IDS and the small tyres.

My prediction is that LEAF will be slightly below Bolt and significantly below Model 3 on range.

The Model 3 has around 10% less battery than the Leaf 2.0.

“55 kWh vs. 60 kWh”

Therefore i expect the Model 3 to be equal or only slightly above the Leaf 2.0 in range.