Nissan Discusses The Future Of Electric Motoring – Video

DEC 23 2015 BY MARK KANE 28

Nissan LEAF at COP21

Nissan LEAF at COP21

Nissan discusses the future of electric car at COP21 in Paris.

There is not much breakthrough news,  and we personally think Nissan shouldn’t be calling the new 30 kWh LEAF a third generation model at this point.

Sure, there’s 5 years of experience and 200,000 LEAFs sold, but third generation of LEAF doesn’t speak to us (2nd was the 2013 version with integrated drivetrain with on-board charger moved to the front and apparently some tweaked battery chemistry). Yes, these are refreshes/updates, but not true new next generations; of which the true next generation is expected to appear in mid 2017 with ~200 miles of range (via a 60 kWh battery).

The other things that Nissan includes in its future are related to electric cars – are energy storage systems (second life EV battery use) with Eaton, vehicle to grid promotion with Enel, and autonomous driving developments and wireless charging.

“At the Paris climate talks, leading electric vehicle manufacturer Nissan, launches a series of initiatives  taking electric vehicles and mobility one step further. Announcements include a look at the fuel station of the future, new electric battery recycling initiatives and vehicle to grid charging. All this as Nissan itself celebrates five years since the launch of its best selling electric vehicle, the LEAF.”

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So, every time Nissan tweaks the Leaf it becomes a new generation?

What utter nonsense. By that standard Tesla Model S is in the sixth or seventh generation. How many tweaks and updates have they already done?

When will they realize that the Leaf would not have sold as well had there been any real alternative. The Leaf was the only EV available to buyers (in that price range) for the longest time. And people who wanted an EV had no choice but to buy a Leaf.

Does it make sense to talk down the one large car manufacturer (or rather alliance, Nissan-Renault) that was probably done most for mass-market EVs since 2010?

Sure, they made mistakes and lost/had to write down billions by probably over-/mal-investing in EVs too early but they could remain the market leader with a redesigned Leaf 2 and similar models from Renault.

Concur! Give credit where it is due; as Musk says “The more the merrier!”

Leading in EV Technology??((((Wonder if they ever Heard of “TESLA”)))) 3rd Generation ???…Too Much “BS” in this video ..& they say it with a sincere straight face ….

But Tesla is expensive. Nissan has sold more EVs than anybody else, by far. That’s leadership. The car is also very reliable. By all accounts it is a great car to own if the range fits your driving patterns. That’s also leadership.
Is it the perfect EV? Of course not. But neither is the Model S, which is the perfect >luxury< EV. Each side has one half of the formula. Musk has the more exiting side, but Ghosn has bigger numbers.
We get to watch what they do as they converge. And they will, which is great!

I think 2nd generation would be acceptable for sure, maybe even 3rd. The only thing that hasn’t changed in the car is the body. The battery has gone through several generations now and the powertrain is now on its second generation.

N0!! it’s 1st Generation…Period …..End of subject! R We All Stupid??? I DON’T THINK SO!


Well I think David’s point makes sense.

OK. Third iteration then. It certainly is that.
But iteration is not a marketing word, so they used generation. It’s marketing, what can you do?

Chillax friend

The problem is, is that the Leaf is utterly useless in the real world. I couldn’t even rely on one to got to work and back on a single charge (just over 50 miles).

I took my bike to a repair shop the other day which was over 60 miles away. Would have taken a very long time just to drop off a bike.

My daughter lives over 250 miles away or a single non stop journey. Not even a Tesla could do that.

BEVs are a long way from being practical even in a small country like Britain.

The Leaf is “utterly useless in the real world”? Really? Did you run that by the 200,000 people who are driving them? It sounds like it is a poor fit for your world, but it works great in mine. So either I’m delusional and don’t realize that the car that I use for more than half of my miles is “utterly useless”, or I’m simply not living in the “real world”.

If you regularly drive > 80 miles per day, you should’ve got Tesla. Saying BEV isn’t practical is nonsense. For those who drive more than 500 miles per day (250 miles each way, 8 hours of driving per day at highway speeds), even Tesla isn’t practical. But they aren’t typical people.

Fact is Leaf is plenty practical for most people since they drive under 50 milles per day (25 miles each way, 30 minutes of driving). If there’s at least one DCFC along the way, you would’ve easily driven 150 miles.

It’s not the EV, but the infrastructure. With one DCFC session, even 150 miles per day is practical. With destination charging + 2 DCFC, even 300 miles per day is practical. With DCFC all over, infinite miles would be possible, though slower (43 MPH average vs ~63 MPH average).


Actually a fully charged Tesla could do that, albeit very close, 257 mi. For you an ev is not practical, but to extrapolate from that that they are useless is not reasonable.

257 Miles is the rated range of the Tesla Model X, and the Model S 85D was over 265 miles, plus that car can upgrade to the new 90 kWh battery, giving over 270 miles range, and since England does not see a lot of Sub Zero (C) weather, it could do the 250 mile run in one go!

You may even pass a Supercharge site or two along the way, where a quick 10 minute stop could give about 90 to 100 miles worth of driving more.

Short of that, if you could fit your bike in it, the Volt could handle the task for you now.

You don’t live in the real world. 😀

Your use is way off the end of the bell curve.

The guy I carpool into work with most days has a commute that stretches my Leaf’s range, if no charging is done at work. In the winter with the heat on, probably not. But it’s still easily covered by the 2016, and he’d seriously consider getting one if it weren’t for the fact that he’s retiring in a month. With the amount of money he’s spending on gas now, it’s easily in the range of “free car!” territory too.

Even if most of the trip to you daughter’s is motorway, it’s still a ~4 hour trip (3.5 hours at the UK motorway speed limit, 70mph, plus a bit more on surface streets at bot hends).

Very few people anywhere drive that distance without at least a bathroom break.

Here’s real world for you. I’ve got over 72,000 miles on my 2011 Leaf, a daily mileage average of 42 miles. Peak miles in 1 day of 144. My commute is 50 miles round trip and I can still do it on a single 80% charge even with a battery capacity of 71% of new.

The idea that the Leaf isn’t practical is absurd. It’s perhaps the most practical commuter vehicle ever made.

250 miles is an insane amount of distance to do a daily drive, that’s for sure.

For me, my 60 mile, back and forth commute means that I only charge at work right now (it’s free). Anything less than 90 miles a day is how much I drive, even during the weekends and have a backup ICE.

Over 99% of the time, we only use the Leaf. So yeah, it’s a huge benefit for me.

When gas was almost $4 a gallon, I was spending gobs of money on gas. Now, I spend $10 a month on electric (due to charging almost exclusively at work) instead of $250.

At 250 miles, you probably want to take a break somewhere for a bathroom break. Maybe just go to a fast charging station, hang out and have some food, and continue on your journey? 20-30 minutes is all you need to get your over the hump.

It’s certainly not utterly useless, I drove one for three years with no problems. There were maybe 2 or 3 times in three years when I could have used extra range, which isn’t much to put up with for such a nice drive.

What you mean is it’s useless for you, but to be frank that’s because you’re not normal.

Wow, 60 miles to a bike shop? I’m guessing you live in an extremely rural area, as I have never lived further than 5 miles from a bike shop – in fact – there are about 3 within 5 miles of where I live now, and I am pretty sure if I expanded my search to within a 20 mile drive- I would probably come up with about 30 bike shops.

250 miles one way to visit a relative does not constitute a day trip with the exception of a rare emergency- and I certainly would NOT call it a “non-stop journey”. I have driven plenty of road trips of up to 900 miles in a day (ok- in a gas car)- when I push the distance I might get 200 miles before stopping, but usually by 150 miles either my family or myself are in desperate need of a 20 minute break – so in our case a Tesla would easily fit even our rare long distance road trips.

I’ve driven my Leaf more miles each of the last 3 than our gas car – I would call it incredibly practical and extremely useful.

But your world isn’t the real world. It’s just yours. In my world, the Leaf (even the 24kWh version), covers all my driving needs except for exactly one trip per year, and even that would be fixed by a single fast charger in the right location.
It’s not for everybody, but it’s for quite a few people.

YAWN. I really love the Leaf, but this fluff piece where they emphasize every other punch word… heady vague concepts about a better future… UGH.

Meanwhile other companies are doing the future now. Like adding autonomous features to EVs already on the road or landing reusable rockets after delivering their payload. Thanks for the video Nissan, it was cute.

If you compare the 2016 to the 2011 LEAF I can see thinking of the 2016 as a different generation. But because all of those changes were introduced incrementally it’s not possible to pick a moment when Gen 2 begins (let alone Gen 3).

Late 2011: Cold weather package

2013: The 6.6 kW charger was the biggest change, but a lot of other tweaks including improving luggage space, adding remote control and light for the charging door. But these were tweaks – the kind of things you find in different trim lines, not a new generation of a car model. EPA test showed longer range – to the degree that was reality (a different test was used in 2013) that apparently was due to a software change which was retroactively made available to 2011 and 2012 LEAFs.

Circa 2013: Apparently sometime in 2013 the so-called lizard battery was put into production.

2016: new battery with 25% higher capacity.

The 2016 is clearly a much improved car over the 2011. But like most of us I will think of the rumored 2017 with double range as the second Gen LEAF.

I think only first generation is an acceptable term for the current LEAF. It’s basically the same car as originally released with an improved battery and minor improvements.

The *new* LEAF will be next generation as they will hopefully be making big changes to apply everything they’ve learned with this first generation, plus the battery will get a significant jump in capacity.

Hopefully they’ll improve performance too, not because it’s currently bad but just because they can.

That Bolt is getting more attractive…