Nissan Developing ZOE-Based Smaller-Than-LEAF Electric Car

OCT 5 2016 BY ERIC LOVEDAY 39

2016 Renault ZOE Swiss Edition (limited edition)

2016 Renault ZOE Swiss Edition (limited edition)

Nissan LEAF

Nissan LEAF

If true…this car would be a real winner.

Reports suggest that Nissan is working on a ZOE-based electric car of its own. This would be a subcompact Nissan EV then and it’s sure to get the ZOE’s newly announced 41 kWh battery, which could potentially put range into the 200-ish mile territory.

There’s no official word from Nissan yet on this ZOE-based EV, but Auto Express reports:

“Nissan is weighing up its options as to how it will expand its range of pure electric vehicles, with a Ford Fiesta-sized model lined up to join the Nissan Leaf, according to a senior company source.”

“Gareth Dunsmore, the man in charge of Nissan’s EV programme in Europe, told Auto Express that a sports car is not a priority for the brand.”

“Instead, he gave the strongest indication yet on what’s likely to get the green light, saying: “We’ve invested $5.4bn (£4.1bn) in electric cars such as the Leaf, so we need to ensure we’re satisfying as many types of customer as possible. In Europe, that could mean looking towards B-segment hatches [Ford Fiesta size] and SUVs or crossovers.”

Definitely not set in stone, but the ZOE is the ideal candidate for Nissan to have its own version if indeed it’s looking at launching an EV smaller than the LEAF.

Auto Express adds:

“The smaller vehicle could become a sister car to the Renault ZOE, potentially using its platform and battery technology.”

Nissan has long stated that it would prefer to do only mainstream EVs, so with subcompacts selling rather well, especially in Europe, perhaps a ZOE-based Nissan electric car makes sense? Just give it 4 doors and a hatch though…please.

Source: Auto Express

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And give it fast charging in all countries. Renault in Sweden have chosen to not take in Renault Zoe Q90 because they think R90 is better suitable for the colder climate. To start selling a electric car with a 40 kWh battery without fast charging feels extremely stupid.

I guess Nissan won’t solve that problem very soon. If they introduce a Zoe sized EV, it will probably share as much as possible with the Zoe. Only a different body and interior.

So either with the current one, which would result in no fast charging, or with the next generation of the Zoe, which in turn would also have fast charging.

Maybe in 2 years or so, the Zoe will get its next generation, but with the new 40kWh battery and no real competition in its segment, there is no reason to rush things.

But the current one have fast charging on 43 kw only that not all countries have chosen to sell it.

It is 3phase AC fast charging. The system was developed by Bosch and uses the inverter as a reverse charger.

When Renault developed the R240 motor in-house, with its own inverter, they lost that fast charging capability.

Those Bosch motor cars are still sold, but if Nissan would borrow Renaults design, they would take the Renault motor, instead of the Bosch one. Especially since they would want to sell it in the US, were there is no AC fast charging available. The next generation though will surely be DC fast chargeable.

To be honest this should have happened years ago. The Zoe and leaf should be in all markets. It should be all leaf and twig in the USA and Susan and Zoe in France. They should also have fast AC and fast DC ports.

There simply was no 40+ kWh battery for these size segments / price categories.

LG Chem batteries (finally) make this possible as of late 2016.

It’s no coincidence that Renault and GM launch their new ZOE / Bolt models within months in late 2016…and LG Chem signing up more and more battery customers such as Faraday Future.

PS: That’s why Tesla fanboys comparing the upcoming Model3 to cars launched in 2010 (Nissan Leaf) and its evolutions is such a joke. Let’s compare the Model3 to the upoming Leaf 2 – likely using the new LG Chem batteries at up to 60 kWh.

He meant that Nissan should have used the Zoe platform, as well as Renault the Leaf platform, years ago to create an own car. The battery size has nothing to do with it.

But I get why they didn’t do it, it was probably easier to focus on one EV per company and try to sell it to as many people as possible, not sure if the Zoe would be so popular in the US and in Europe they would steal each others customers.

The real shame was that they didn’t share any components with each other. Neither motor, battery cells, modules, packs, nor power electronics.

A 2012 ZOE or Micra would have been another short-range EV, the sales volume simply wasn’t there.

Nissan invested around $5B in EVs so afr, it simply didn’t make sense to spend even more for niche volumes up to now.

Now that mass-market priced cars can get 40-60kWh batteries more car models get interesting (SUVs etc).

To repeat myself: It’s not a coincidence that the the new ZOE and the new Bolt ship within weeks of each other in late 2016.

This simply wasn’t possible before late 2016 (LG Chem is the first supplier able to supply longer-range batteries in this price range).

That is basically what I said. With the exception that it would have made sense to share some components between the Zoe and the Leaf.

Because the Zoe existed before in 22kWh spec, since 2012, but shared no parts with the Leaf. So it would have been possible to share battery packs, inverters or motors. I hope that that will change with the next generation Zoe and Leaf.

Would that be the new Versa Not-E ? 😉

No, you will see a series hybrid version of Versa Note (called Note e-POWER) in a month. It will equip a 1.2L 3-cylinder engine, 80kW electric motor, and 1.5kWh LiON battery pack. Not sure if it is for Japanese market only or not.

Just Japan for now.

I’d weld in a 4 point roll cage for safety.

I’d rock a Zoe as a commuting appliance.

Base it on the Sway concept for cool factor and it’s a winner in Europe!

A snail’s pace, is better than none, I guess?

Forget the sub-compacts and the smaller compact class sedans/hatchbacks. How about someone builds a larger compact or smallish midsize CUV? The Buick Envision is built on the same platform as the Volt and is 6″ longer and WAY ROOMIER inside.
That is the car I wanted to buy. I like my 2013 Volt but I would have bought a new Voltec Envision this year if they were building them. And so would a LOT of other people.
What were the top two selling plug in cars last week? The Tesla S and X. Both big roomy cars.
Build them and they will sell.

The SUV EVs are comming just not yet…
Model Y, Mercedes, BMW all have known plans…

The Micra is great for the rest of the world that buys normal cars but unfortunately it might not even geet sold in the US…

It is currently sold in Canada and sells good there so it meets US requirments but they still dont bother witn it down here…
Maybe it could pick up the Spark EV sales since it is going away…

That is really something GM screwed up. If you are a company whose cars make no profits, since all your customers buy SUVs and trucks. And those SUVs already have incredible high profit margins, compared to cars. Why not bring a Volt-SUV/CUV.

Even if range/MPGe decreases, your customers don’t seem to care, as long its an SUV. They could have made it a clever AWD, like the Outlander PHEV and it would probably sell 4k, instead of 2k, a month.

But would Nissan really make a 60 Hz version of the Zoe integrated charger for North America? Every one is getting the advanced battery tech soon, but no one else is doing integrated AC charging in light duty. Of course, the other big question is whether the Model 3 will go back to integrated charging like the early Roadsters had?

The new Nissan Micra Gen5 will have an electric version in 2017.

It’s a very good looking car:

https://newsroom.nissan-global.com/releases/160929-01-e

Source or link please?

It makes sense size-wise but I haven’t see confirmation on this.

Here is my article about it in English, the source is listed at the bottom but it’s in Italian…

http://pushevs.com/2016/07/10/nissan-micra-ev-can-make-renault-nissan-leader-again/

That’d make sense, a Micra EV based on the Zoe would be totally logical. I still prefer the “twig” or “bud” but perhaps those names will be reserved for the Nissan twingo platform.

The La Stampa article the PushEvs.com one links to says (translated):
“Cartier [Nissan marketing exec] does not exclude that in the future the Micra can have a battery-powered version. “We will extend the electrification of other models in our range. The Micra platform, potentially, could accommodate an electric powertrain. ”

That is not a statement that there specifically will be an BEV Micra, and certainly not next year.
Nor do any of the other links above say that, though they talk in much details of the ICE version to be available.

Do you have any other source? If there was to be a BEV Micra this coming year, I’m sure Nissan would have announced in at the Paris Show.
I suspect there’s a problem here — a BEV Micra would complete head-on against the Zoe. Of course, Nissan could rebadge the Zoe, but then it wouldn’t look like the other Micras which is a problem.
Reusing just the Zoe drivetrain might be more trouble than it’s worth.

Renault & Nissan would need to sort this out first.

Exactly, I see no proof for a Micra EV (especially not in 2017). Only vague hints and options.

Generally, It would make sense for the Nissan-Renault alliance to have such an offering one day since ZOE isn’t sold worldwide.

I have been trying to tell you this on your own blog but it seems to be not accepting my comments (comments disabled to prevent spam, it says):
Your constant mentioning of a Nissan Micra EV misleads your readers as does the above link which leads to a Nissan press release that also gives not hint whatsoever regarding an electric version of the car. Maybe you confuse electric power steering with electric drive train?

“Engine efficiency has also been a key objective in the development of the Micra Gen5. At launch, the car will offer the choice of a 0.9-litre turbocharged three-cylinder petrol engine and a 1.5-litre diesel, both developing 90hp. The range will be joined soon after by a naturally aspirated 73hp 1.0-litre petrol engine. These engines, together with efficient aerodynamics, mark another step forward in Nissan Intelligent Power.”

Please stop spreading rumors about a Nissan Micra EV. Do a web search and find that you are the only one doing it. And fix the comment system on your site. Thanks.

That might turn out really good. Sharing components cuts cost, a small and relatively cheap but still adequate car could be a big seller. There is a need to expand the segment to different classes, this is one way to do it. Nissan already have the electric van but the market is wide open for an electric pickup. Who will pick up that torch?

What kind of thermal management does the latest Zoe battery pack use? My technical issue with the Leaf is it’s
air cooled pack.

I find the Zoe far more attractive than the Leaf, and prefer it’s smaller size. But I imagine that the Nissan branded vehicle will share it’s basic architecture but with a unique body, and I don’t care for Nissan’s design language.

I hope I’m proven wrong, and that the next generation of Nissan’s EVs are fantastic. More choices and competition is great for EVs and consumers in general.

Technically the Leaf’s battery isn’t air cooled. It’s not cooled at all. The Ford Energi cars do use forced air cooling. Liquid cooling appears to be the best bet.

Wait what? Why do we need a rebadged Zoe? What is the point of getting the Nissan version instead the Renault?

Mostly for outside Europe.

Oh of course – there is no Renault in the states is there? I should travel more.

I remember seeing a few Renaults many years (decades) ago but Renault left the U.S. for some reason.

The ‘car’ part of the Zoe is so-so. But the bms/range estimation are much better. I now know who created the concept of ‘range anxiety’: NISSAN. Going from a Zoe to a Leaf, you suddenly realise how bad the Nissan BMS / GoM actually is. And how much better they could do if they wanted to… (but apparently Nissan are not interested in improving).

The Chameleon charger is super! You can charge @ 3 phase. Some roadside chargers are capable of 32 A, so that is quite fast. It will fill up the 41 kWh battery from empty in about 2 hours. Which is ideal for Europe.

The Fiat 500e has not sold well in the U.S. but watch a Nissan Zoe clone sell well.

Fiat hasn’t tried selling it in the US. It’s doing well in Cali.

Last time I heard California WAS in the U.S. so we can take those numbers for Fiat and compare to Nissan. Picking nits is not a useful hobby.

Why does every EV automaker accept Tesla have to make their cars look hideous

Because they don’t want to make and sell EVs.