Nissan To Build Germany’s Largest To Date DC Charging Network

APR 9 2014 BY MARK KANE 24

Nissan LEAF in Europe

Nissan LEAF in Europe

Nissan announced a new infrastructure project for Germany, which will lead to a doubling of the nation’s quick chargers.

The Japanese company, together with Omexom Umspannwerke GmbH, aims to install approximately 50 new DC quick-charge units.

50 isn’t a high number for a county with the size/population of Germany and with only 100 DC chargers expected to be operation in total in the next few months, Germany is still be far behind Norway, France and the UK, but at least they are trying to moving forward with CHAdeMO in a country which strongly supports the CCS standard.

The new chargers will be installed at dealers as well as co-operation partners and fleet customers. We believe they will be free to use (at least for some time).

Omexom Umspannwerke takes control of the complete project management, from consulting to maintenance and service of the new chargers.

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Installed at dealers.. ugh.

(just a nit-pick but the “S” in “CCS” is for “standard” so adding it after is a bit redundant… ok done nit-picking 🙂 )

(sorry, i see it can also be used for “System”)

“The new chargers will be installed at dealers…”

Just like here in USA, so most likely, they will only be available during dealership open hours only and even then, since it is just one bay, at the mercy of the dealership.

Would anyone plan a road trip based on that?

I rather they put them up in strategic public places (e.g. along highways) 24/7 like Tesla. I am willing to pay.

As it is, Nissan just introduced charge anxiety in addition to range anxiety.

Ugh. The standards war rages on. Every German car company agreed to the SAE-CCS system but Nissan is gonna install a bunch of Chademo stations at dealers. Stupid standards war.

Chademo is VHS, folks. The others are Betamax.

It is more the other way around. Betamax/Chademo is the standard largely being pushed by one company(Sony/Nissan) while the other makers have backed a more open standard VHS/SAE-CCS. (OK, the iMiEV also does Chademo but it is pretty dead at this point.)

With the EV war, one (Chademo) was here first and has more cars/chargers right now and the other (SAE-CCS) was here later but has more backers (all 3 big US auto-makers and all the German auto makers). Some people think being here first and having cars out there now is more important and others believe having more backers is more important. (I’m in the second camp but I’d be fine with either system as long as everyone adopted it.)

USA Quick Charge data, sometimes colloquially referred to as “L3”

1. SAE CCS Combo1 “Frankenplug” or “J1772 DC” – approximately 10 in the USA
NOTE: Menekkes CCS Combo2 will never be in the USA and is not plug compatible with Combo1

http://standards.sae.org/j1772_201210/

up to 100kW eventually, probably limited to 62.5kW
EVs compatible with Frankenplug include:

*GM Spark EV – less than 100 with Frankenplug capability
*BMW i3 (coming 2014)
*VW eGolf (coming 2014)

2. CHAdeMO – 3700 worldwide, 600 in the USA, adding about 1 per day

http://www.chademo.com

up to 100kW eventually, currently limited to 62.5kW
EVs compatible with CHAdeMO include:

*Nissan LEAF – over 45,000 in the USA and over 100,000 worldwide
*Nissan e-NV200 (coming 2014)
*Citroen C-Zero – not sold in USA
*Mitsubishi i-MiEV – over 30,000 worldwide with its variants C-Zero & iON
*Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV (coming 2015)
*Mitsubishi Fuso Canter truck
*Peugeot iON – not sold in USA
*Kia Soul EV (coming 2014)
*ZERO motorcycles
*Tesla except Roadster with adaptor

3. Supercharger – 87 stations in the USA, each with 4-8 stalls, growing fast

http://www.teslamotors.com/supercharger

up to 150kW eventually, currently limited to 120kW
EVs compatible with Supercharger include:

*Tesla only, except Roadster – 30,000 worldwide

Uh . . . OK, I don’t think any of that contradicts what I said.

But it does have the long list of phantom cars:
*Nissan LEAF – over 45,000 in the USA and over 100,000 worldwide – The only real car.
*Nissan e-NV200 (coming 2014) – So it doesn’t exist
*Mitsubishi i-MiEV – over 30,000 worldwide with its variants C-Zero & iON – A FLOP.
*Citroen C-Zero – not sold in USA (And the same cars as the flop.)
*Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV (coming 2015)-Fast charge a 12KWH battery on a car that has an ICE? What’s the point? Who would pay the charger fee for that?
*Mitsubishi Fuso Canter truck -WHAT?
*Peugeot iON – not sold in USA (and the same car as the flop)
*Kia Soul EV (coming 2014)
*ZERO motorcycles
*Tesla except Roadster with adaptor – $1000 Adapter

BTW, are you ever gonna stop using the ‘Frankenplug’ slur? Sheesh.

Stop the plug-standards-debate …

Just buy the vehicle with the plug you like best, and then buy an adaptor for the places you charge-up the most.

Don’t blame the “standards” if there is no adaptor, it’s up to manufactures to provide appropriate plug-adaptors for the regions they sell their vehicles.
eg: http://shop.teslamotors.com/collections/model-s-charging-adapters

If there are enough EV drivers willing to pay for public charging at a particular location, there will likely be a business opportunity someone’s willing to capitalize on.

hint: 80-90% of all PEV charging occurs at home.

Do you mean that Chademo is inferior or the one with most backers.
Because of the 3 systems introduces decades ago, VHS was by far the most technically inferior system.
It took years to reach the quality Betamax started with.

VHS was never as good as Beta. But with standards, standard is often better than better.

Even better would have been the even better standard 😉

There will have be at least 3 charging modes defined for public charging stations, just like there are 3 hoses at a gas station (regular, premium and diesel).

The leading contenders in use today for the 3 modes are:

Single phase AC: J1772, Tesla
Three phase AC: Mennekes
High current DC: CHAdeMO, Tesla, The Combo

Since plug standardization is all about IPR and royalties that come with it (along with some emotional NIH), effective standardization progress will only come with expensive and painfull roll out and mindshare wars until a defacto winnner appears.

But it could come faster if someone makes a bold move by making a particular plug IPR available for free, if licensees conform to the specification.. That could change everything.

(Pillips did that

(continuation)

Philips successfully did that to gain market and industry acceptance of the audio cassette standard. There are other examples….

I didn’t think there were any royalties for CCS or Chademo, but correct me if I’m wrong.

It appears TEPCO is providing Royalty-free licensing to help promote CHAdeMO, but I haven’t seen that for the other standards. There may also be an up front fee.

A comment from an EVSE manufacturer that actually signed a licensing agreement would be helpful.

I too would like to be corrected if I am wrong.

As stated above, neither CHAdeMO nor SAE CCS Combo1 nor Menekkes CCS Combo2 charge any royalty.

You can buy the specifications for under $200 for any, and make as many products as you want.

“TEPCO is providing Royalty-free licensing to help promote CHAdeMO”

to help promote it? So it is royalty-free now but they might start charging later?

IPR? Define your TLAs. (Three Letter Acronyms).

IPR: Intellectual Property Rights – You have to pay royalties to the patent holders to use their design/specification (licensing)

NIH: Not Invented Here – An emotional phenomenon where someone believes their solution is better that your solution because it’s their solution (sometimes hard to distinguish from functional differences in an argument)

The De Facto Standard for EV charging could well be Tesla’s well-designed system; Tesla’s battery factory and its installed and growing supercharger stations will accelerate Tesla’s reach for critical mass. Think what would happen if Tesla opened their stations to the other makes EVs for a fee and build the adapters…bamb!

When 50 stations is the largest DC network, it doesn’t sound there’s really any DC networks in Germany.

Will be interesting how the timing of the 50 DC Nissan charger stations compares with CCS (for BMW i3) and Supercharger (for Tesla Model S) compare.

2014 is looking like a good DC infrastructure year for Germany. Looking forward to reading the Dec/Jan progress report. 😉

Germany has been dragging its feet on EVs. But now there might be a growth spurt because BMW and VW finally got some EVs out there.

And Putin being a big jerk might also get the Germans to appreciate electrics more.

If he finds out, he might stop what he is doing.

I think doing good does not sit well with Putin…