Nissan Adds 3 More Cities To LEAF’s No Charge To Charge Program

OCT 6 2015 BY MARK KANE 18

2016 Nissan LEAF charging

2016 Nissan LEAF AC charging

Nissan expanded its “No Charge to Charge” program – which enables new LEAF buyers to charge from participating public networks for free for two years – to three more markets (20 total):

  • Austin, Texas
  • Monterey, Calif.
  • Raleigh-Durham, N.C.

The plan for coming months is to expand the promotion to another 5 markets.

Andrew Speaker, director, Electric Vehicle (EV) Sales & Marketing, Nissan said:

“Nissan LEAF is an attractive option for Austin car shoppers. In addition to the $7,500 federal tax credit, some LEAF buyers are eligible for a rebate* to help offset the costs to install level 2 chargers in their homes. Those benefits, combined with access to free public charging, significantly lower operating costs and zero spending on gas, make owning an all-electric vehicle a cost-effective and convenient choice.”

“Nissan LEAF is an attractive option for car shoppers in Monterey with state and federal tax incentives, significantly lower operating costs, HOV lane access and now, free public charging. With the addition of ‘No Charge to Charge,’ new LEAF owners in Monterey can travel to and from Napa Valley with virtually little-to-no charging expenses.”

“Nissan LEAF is an attractive option for Raleigh-Durham car shoppers. In addition to the $7,500 federal tax credit, LEAF buyers can enjoy access to the HOV lane and now, two years of free public charging. Those benefits, combined with the significantly lower operating costs and zero spending on gas, make owning an all-electric vehicle a costeffective and convenient choice.”

Nissan now offers “No Charge to Charge” in 20 markets for the Nissan LEAF:

  1. Atlanta
  2. Austin
  3. Boston
  4. Chicago
  5. Dallas-Ft. Worth
  6. Denver
  7. Fresno
  8. Houston
  9. Indianapolis
  10. Los Angeles
  11. Monterey
  12. Nashville
  13. Phoenix
  14. Portland, Oregon
  15. Raleigh-Durham
  16. Sacramento
  17. San Diego
  18. San Francisco
  19. Seattle
  20. Washington, D.C.

Learn more about EZ-Charge here.

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18 Comments on "Nissan Adds 3 More Cities To LEAF’s No Charge To Charge Program"

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Has this program actually spurred any new infrastructure growth in these cities?

I don’t know about the other cities.. but here in Dallas/Fort Worth the infrastructure already existed before the no charge to charge program came in.. and I’d say there has been essentially no growth since then. In fact, I’d go as far as to say a net loss of infrastructure. While we have gotten one or two new stations, we’ve probably lost 10 to 15 because they are perpetually broken and thus might as well not exist.

Yeah, I struggle to see a clear business case for charging infrastructure. I want to see it go in, but I’m not sure how anyone can expand it profitably. I’m interested in the NCTC program, as it has the potential to provide a guaranteed revenue source (Nissan) for any charging partner. At the same time, any other manufacturer can benefit from the infrastructure (unlike Tesla’s proprietary network). I’d love to see GM offer something like this when they start selling the Bolt.

Exactly!

I actually started writing a post on this exact issue. It turned into a mega-post and remains unfinished.

I am back from travel and will try getting it out in a week or so.

Wonderful! I look forward to reading it.

Well, I think the business case exists for it. The trouble is, the amount of customer base necessary to make it profitable. For example, I only use charging infrastructure maybe once per month or less. Like most EV drivers, I charge primarily at home. So unlike gas cars, where every customer needs a gas station, EV drivers don’t. So you need a substantially larger customer base before public charging becomes profitable. Unfortunately, here in Texas, we just aren’t there yet.

I think you just contradicted yourself. It sounds more like you think that a business case CAN exist for it, sometime in the future. But you admit yourself that we just aren’t there yet.

This is where I hope a program like NCTC can help. If Nissan basically pays for a membership in a network for every NCTC car sold, then the network can have a guaranteed revenue source. It would be even better if others (GM, Ford, VW, Mitsu, etc) would buy in similarly. Then we can have a much larger network that we can all share.

In a few years, the range problem will be mostly solved. 200 miles should suffice for a large part of the market (much more than the <0.5% that BEVs currently hold). The other problem is one of infrastructure. 200 miles autonomous range + robust reliable infrastructure = game changer. Missing either one of those, and BEVs are stuck in the commuter / 2nd car niche.

The other automakers don’t want to promote BEVs until they’re forced to, by ever-tightening global emissions regulations. This is the ONLY reason the few “compliance” vehicles currently exist. Even now, and dispite “DieselGate”, EU automakers are actively lobbying (whining?) against tighter diesel emissions, etc.

We could have been where we are now with electromobility 25 years ago, if these influential corporations had then embraced sustainable transport, instead of continued to follow the same ‘ol playbook of burning fossil fuels for locomotion.

The majority of automakers continues to prove how they’re not serious about investing in EV Infrastructure to help provide practical, sustainable transport for this planet.

Brian said “… and robust reliable infrastructure = game changer”

Well, this is where the whole thing fails miserably. Just talking about L3 only (L2 for public is useless when you have BEVs, only good for idiotic Plug-in Prius’).

The CHAdeMO network today is mostly comprised of single charging stations. Some of the newer ones are duals with CCS support but still only one car may charge at a time.

Imagine yourself driving a BEV with your spouse and little ones in the car. To get anywhere beyond your BEV’s roundtrip range requires L3 charging. For the trip to be successful (e.g. you don’t limp along looking for L2 stations just to wait for hours), these must occur:

1) L3 station should be conveniently located, preferably close to freeways.
2) L3 station should support multiple bays in case one is down or occupied.
3) L3 station should be easily accessible and not blocked.
4) L3 station should be available 24/7 (you don’t want to plan your trip around dealer hours, lol).

Since these stations are either available (mostly in single bays) at either auto dealers or at shopping malls, then I’d argue that they are neither ROBUST nor RELIABLE.

I agree 100%. The current infrastructure leaves a lot to be desired. Today BEVs are stuck in the commuter / second car niche. They will remain there unless and until what you describe becomes the norm.

Hard to tell cause and effect.

(North) Atlanta has a pretty great network of CHAdeMO QC stations.

http://imgur.com/vMNw1xd

Nashville does okay too.

http://imgur.com/RiEQKN7

The two cities are ~250 miles apart, and it looks like it’s possible to travel between the two with 3-4 short stops. It’d take about an extra hour to make the trip with charging in a 30 kWh LEAF (less if you would stop to eat at Cracker Barrel anyways), and maybe an extra 90 minutes with a 24 kWh LEAF.

Shortly after they announced the program in the Denver area, NRG EVGo’s network of ridiculously overpriced DCFC’s started popping up in decent places around the city.

Not sure if this is simple cause and effect or if it was possibly negotiated with Nissan ahead of time?

Austin now has a bunch of new chademo show up all of a sudden. Currently free (in 15 min slots)
So yes, new program brings new infrastructure 🙂

Not sure how many sites it has added… but it does address the one card problem… you still have to set it up with the local companies… but then in using it… don’t need to care so much about which card to use. It is more convenient than the pouch full of cards we keep in our 2013 which didn’t come with it as our 2015 did.

This is brilliant, imagine if car makers 100 years ago had their own fueling stations.

This means more long lines. They give 30 minutes for free, so people charge for 30 minutes whether they need it or not. I’ve seen people sit there even when it’s charging at 3kW rate at 98% state of charge, because it’s free. Meanwhile, there are others waiting and waiting and waiting. And of course, they also get 30 minutes free, so they intend to sit around even if they don’t need it and other people waiting.

This is seriously bad for EV experience, especially for newcomers. They should cap the freebie at 80% SoC rather than 30 minutes.

Very good idea – limiting freebie to 80%. Had to use a public L3 a few days ago, all I needed was just 5 minutes to make it home.

This guy was hogging it and had 15mins left. I mentioned I only need 5mins hoping he’d offer but no dice. Worse, when his 30mins was up, leaving him at 92%, he unplugged, replugged to grab another 30min slot just to reach 98%.

My wife was so pissed off at me for taking the Leaf instead of the ICE.

Funny that your wife was pissed at you rather than the guy in front of you. Can we say misdirected anger?