Next-Generation Volkswagen e-Golf To Get 186 Miles Of Real-World Range


2016 Volkswagen e-Golf

2016 Volkswagen e-Golf

2016 Volkswagen e-Golf

2016 Volkswagen e-Golf

Volkswagen Group small car development leader Dr. Jocham Böhle told Autoblog that the next-generation, all-electric Volkswagen e-Golf will get a substantial range boost when it comes to market in late 2018 or early 2019:

“The current e-Golf is 190 kilometers [118 miles] of range on paper and about 120 kilometers [75 miles] in the real world. The Golf VIII e-Golf will have 300 kilometers [186 miles] of real-world range – genuinely 300 kilometers.”

As for the Golf GTE plug-in hybrid, Böhle stated:

“…the current plug-in hybrid has 50 kilometers [31 miles] of electric range and we don’t need more than that.”

The conventional, next-gen Golf will arrive in late 2018, with the electrified versions expected to follow soon after:

“They might not be there right at the start of Golf VIII, but they will be close behind.”

In the wake of Diesel Gate, Volkswagen seems to be going all in on electric cars, which is a-okay with us.

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If current 118 miles Europe = 83 miles EPA, then new 186 miles Europe = 131 miles EPA. A nice improvement, but nowhere near what the Bolt/Model 3/Leaf2 will have.

No, read it again. He said it has 75 miles of real world driving and it will have 186 of real world diving then. So using your guesstimation it should have 210 miles of EPA, so it should match the Bolt, is what he said. Is it really that hard to read a 10 sentence text and comprehend it

186/75= about 2.5. Current eGolf is 24kWh * 2.5 = 60 kWh for new. Assuming, of course, extra weight doesn’t affect the range much. Also assuming they won’t do other things to optimize range. Then the issue will be fast charging; close to an hour to 80% even with no taper is not very fast.

Envia didn’t work out so well for GM. Sakti3 may or may not do better. I’m waiting for some actual evidence.

I guess you have not heard, but don’t expect a Sakti3 battery in a GM, but a Dyson vacuum cleaner instead.

It was never gonna be in an EV before 2025.

High density solid state batteries are going to fetch $2000+/kWh for high end smartphones first. Then mid-range phones, then tablets, then laptops, then other CE devices (e.g. vacuums), and only then would the $100/kWh EV market be worth considering.

Not enough range! in 2to3 yrs the standard will be 350 miles.. Especially Once GM & Sakti3 (battery maker) crack the code on their compact solid state Lithium batteries that are in the development stage & close to production……

VW bought quantumscape battery and should be much further along than this. Unfortunately, all indicators point to VW buying it to bury the technology instead of gaining a market advantage (this article with range and timeline is case and point).
Hopefully the 186 miles is the targeted EPA range and not another VW con job.

Given VW’s “truth in engineering” we can expect every meter to be 93 centimeters. LOL

I noticed there’s no commitment in selling the e-Golf nationwide. It’s just another compliance car.


No actually when you measure it its 100 cm, then in any real world application it shortens itself to 93 cm.

I should be so lucky.

Wait. Are we still taking about cars?


Funny how things get twisted around.

if you can get past this pay wall you may discover that quantum scape had to go back to the drawing board. hence no announcement from VW last summer as they promised.

Sakti 3 does solid state batteries and GM divested from this company in favour of LG Chem.

Last time GM divested from battery tech it was NiMH and it did make sure it was never used in 4 wheeled vehicles again and sure enough Sakti 3 is no longer talking about use of its solid state tech in cars. Just cordless hovers it would appear…

186 miles is close to 3 hours in freeway. Allowing some reserve and AC/heat, it would easily be 2 hours. I don’t know about others, but even gas car drivers would need a break after 2 hours of monotony in freeway. Then the issue becomes DCFC speed.

Something often not mentioned in range is that EV gets far more miles when driven at lower speed. If it’s mostly driven traffic, I suspect it will easily surpass 200 miles. Whether humans can drive for 6 hours in traffic jam without bio break, well, maybe some wearing diapers can, but they’ll break down mentally!

It certainly would not be as convenient as a gas car. However, given the the fact that it is extremely rare to travel more than 150 miles in a car, one could put up with it for those few rare long trips.

You certainly wouldn’t ‘make time’ the way you can in a gas car where you can drive really far if you eat in the car and just do 5 minute stops for gasoline and bathroom break. But so what? Do you really need that ability when 99% of the time it handles your daily driving with no fill-ups at all except the 5 seconds it take to plug-in at night and unplug in the morning?

5 min break after 2 hours driving might be fine for some kids, but most people will need longer, 15 minutes at least, 30 minutes is pushing it, hour is too long. If DCFC is 15 minutes for 2 hours of freeway driving, that’s pretty much the mass market EV.

With lack of active cooling with current eGolf, hopefully next gen will be better with regard to DCFC.

In 2-3 years the standard will still be 0 kWh and 0 miles of range.

Be happy that they are rather preparing for a fully electric world. Because such an increase in range will most likely require a better platform, more like the Tesla-skateboard.

When we have dedicated BEV platforms then there is definitely no turning back nor holding back sales in anyway since there are no shared costs and the manufacturers need them to sell and sell in numbers.

Well said.


Did you just decide that every EV in 2 years will be 350 miles? There is no certainty on how much battery technology can expand. Besides once around 500kn is achieved, it’s much better to stay at that range and start dropping cells to one, make the car lighter, and two keep the price down, can’t see the point in dragging around battery cells that are seldom never used. Gasoline cars only ever used to have 500km range, and guess what, we all survived just fine.

Especially since the main objective in 2 years should still be making them competitive and a 150 mile EV for the same as an ICE is by far more competitive than a 400 mile EV, for 15k more. I guess the sub 37500 chevy is a nice idea, if you factor in the incentives, without them its just a very expensive car.

No 120 mile range to 250 miles or so max will be the future.
But lower range will have to be cheaper to compete.
The question is why they have to wait? No reason they can’t design, build and produce a new chassis in under 1 yr. It’s not rocket science.
Why the 3 yr wait?

It takes only 3 years because it’s no rocket science. Rocket science is more like 20 years development. 😉

Even Tesla needs 2 years minimum from production intended prototype to real production with 10 cars/week. When was Model S/Model X revealed?

If it’s going to have 186 miles EPA in 2019 it’s going to have to be cheaper than the Bolt. If it can keep the same price it has now under 30k I think it will sell great. But 2019 for its date is a little disappointing.

E-Golf is not necessarily inferior to Bolt at 186 miles of range. Unlike GM VW isn’t just about the car it’s also working on the sort of charging infrastructure needed to properly support big battery EVs.

With proper support this car would be way more attractive than Bolt that isn’t even capable of taking more than 50KW of charging output.

The Bolt would have been out for 2 years by the time this comes out. There could be 100k Bolts on the road. I think if there are that many there will be a lot of 3rd parties building DCFC all over the place (supply demand).

There is no logic in your conclusion. The Bolt can charge on the same network as the Golf. Any investment by VW in a charging network will benefit all CCS compatible cars.

Hmmm, which part of “isn’t even capable of taking more than 50KW of charging output”is so hard to understand I wonder…Guess many Bolt owners will find out the hard way the difference between 50KW quick charging and 100-150KW quick charging.

Why necessarily cheaper?
The current e-Golf is a 5-passenger compact hatch, like the Bolt, but is slightly larger:

The e-Golf’s Length/Width/Cargo capacities are 168.1″ and 70.8″ and 22.8cu.ft. respectively, vs. 164″, 69.5″ and 16.9cu.ft. for the Bolt.

VW is considered a more premium brand than Chevy (or Opel) in both Europe & the US.

In fact, most small Chevys have a very bad rep in Europe because originally thy were rebadged Daewoos, a cheap-car (in all respects) Korean manufacturer that GM later acquired.

The e-Golf cna certainly be more expensive in 2019 than the Bolt will be, and we have no idea what the Bolt will cost then.

I suspect there’ll be a lot of 200-230 mile BEVs by 2019, because that’s really enough for long-distance driving assuming a decent fast-charging network, but very few car with 250+mi range — and they will all be luxury cars. Competition will go back to being on other attributes than range.

[I suspect there’ll be a lot of 200-230 mile BEVs by 2019, because that’s really enough for long-distance driving assuming a decent fast-charging network, but very few car with 250+mi range]

I believe that this may happen in the places that are already making real progress in adopting EV’s. For the rest of the country, not so likely. Even the much heralded Supercharger network leaves out large areas of the US because the sales do not show a need anytime soon.

If VW, BMW, Mercedes Benz, AND GM worked together on infrastructure with high rate CCS (100 kW), then it might stand a chance.

With EV’s, the company with the best range, at the best price, with the most charging options and places, wins! Does VW stand a chance?

Good news! (I guess)
They are developing a CCS 2.0 (it seems) with 150 kW power.
The German government will support its deployment in 2017. Maybe also the EU.
They have in mind a later version with 350 kW of power.

For the moment, they are demonstrating the ability to adopt the longest URL I’ve ever come across… 🙂 :

150 KW CCS 2.0? *drools*

That is what we really need. A high-speed DC charging system that is open and supported by all the US & German car makers.

Give me that and that MINI Superleggera Vision EV Roadster and I’d be in heaven.

Make it two 🙂

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From 217 characters to only 26.

Or all the 3rd party DCFC vendors build out their network to meet demand.

… so the “affordable” 200 (ish) mile BEV’s becoming available in the 2018 (ish) timeframe would now include :

1. Tesla model 3
2. Chevy Bolt
3. Upgraded BMW i3
4. Next gen Nissan Leaf
5. VW next gen e-Golf

…. and what else?

Don’t forget Kia

Ionic, zoe, soul EV. Nothing concrete but all of these can easily achieve that in 2018, 2019.

Zoe? In the US? That would be cool if Renault could return and market like Tesla, sans dealers.

Hopefully they’ll be a 60 kWh eNV 200 by then too. And the VW Buddee

I didn’t say a word about the us.

US is unlikely for Zoe.
Americans don’t buy minicars, period. There’s a reason why the VW Up!, Renault Twingo, Peugeot/Citroen 108/C1, Toyota Aygo etc. aren’t sold in the US.
Americans buy the Leaf as a single-person commuter, which would never be the case in Europe.

Hopefully Ford jumps into the market.
Fiat/Chrysler? . . . LOL.
Honda has promised some upcoming pure EVs.

Hopefully they will pull their finger out and actually design an EV from the ground up. I am not particularly impressed by ICE cars with batteries shoved in wherever they will fit.

What are VW playing at?

Reviews on the 2015 e-golf reveal identical passenger/cargo volume along with superior ride and handling for same platformed golf. Assuming same platform reduces costs — If you’re an EV shopper on a budget who enjoys superior performance but doesn’t want to stand out in a crowd, then VW may well be taking the best approach for you.

The e-Golf is a compliance car. It’s not available to the majority of people in the USA.

That’s not the definition of a compliance car. That’s the definition of knowing your market. Tough to sell electric cars in Iowa with little to no infrastructure.

A “Compliance Car” is a car that is built only to satisfy the laws/restrictions of the time and does not reflect a commitment upon the manufacturer to electric vehicles. Witness my Honda Fit EV, which is a very nice car, but they hand-built exactly how many they needed to satisfy CARB and stopped. My car, regardless of its shape at the time, will probably be recycled and crushed at the end of its lease to reduce the liability it represents to Honda. My lease does NOT allow purchase of the vehicle in any way.

If Volkswagen makes good on continuing to build and innovate with electric vehicles it is NOT building a compliance car– it may have some rough edges as a first-generation electric, but it’s indicative of a commitment by the company to electric vehicles.

Rich said:

“The e-Golf is a compliance car. It’s not available to the majority of people in the USA.”

If it’s widely sold in Europe, then it’s not a compliance car. Looking at U.S. sales only is a rather provincial viewpoint.

The e-Golf sold nearly 5000 units during Jan-May in Europe last year. That’s an average of nearly 1000 per month, well out of “compliance car” territory:

A 150 mile e-up should then also be in the works! That should sell like hotcakes in European cities!

I would imagine by late 2018 or 2019 the goal post would have move again, Tesla or someone else would have moved onto 300 mile affordable batteries by 2019 !

Playing catch up !

“Jocham Böhle” – never heared that first name “Jocham” (or as family name). When I search for “volkswagen böhle golf” I mainly find “Jochen Böhle” in the context of VW.

Maybe your source did a mistake?


PS: Renault, where are you?! Megane IV Z.E. 300km real-world range and battery to buy…

I think Renault does the same as nissan. So you won’t hear much and suddenly there’s a 200 mile car. The great dark horse in ev land to my mind.

Yes into the darkness of buying an EV from Nissan. Will that keep people guessing and away from Nissan EV’s – forever? Perhaps instead they should try predictably moving up the battery capacity in small increments.

It’s great to see more car makers joining in on 150+ mile range AEVs. Now if they would just offer a couple of different models. Don’t get me wrong, the hatchback is great, but it would be nice to have a sedan or a SUV option, and both nationwide (US) and globally.

They have Passat GTE and e-up so volkswagen has some options. Not sure what of that they brought to the US though and it’s still not what you are asking but calling volkswagen out on having not options.. they have more options then tesla… are they good options? Not really if you want a nice bev right now.

On the vehicle options, I meant all manufacturers, not just VW. As for VW specifically, I believe that only the e-golf is available, and not in all states. For instance I have not seen one available in Tennessee yet.

In my area you can only easily purchase the Nissan Leaf, Tesla, and the BMW i3, as far as all electric vehicles go.

“…the current plug-in hybrid has 50 kilometers [31 miles] of electric range and we don’t need more than that.”

Snicker, that’s probably NEDC or 21 miles EPA equivalent. These guys are so lost. I’m sure it’s because 95gr/km of CO2 regs can be met at 21 miles, for Europe, not that the consumer and the regulator could actually be satisfied at the same time….with more range.

How much longer will VW see the customer and the environment as an impossible combination to build a car for? It seems their will is to keep it this way. Nobody will want a weak electric PHEV in 2019, that only gets 21 miles.

Weak electric PHEVs will be by far the most sold EVs in Europe in 2019. So that nobody will want them is not true.

They might have been updated to 25 or possible even 30 miles just by using the same size battery but with improved chemistry. But will still be weak.

The good thing about these weak PHEVs is that they will have to sell in massive numbers. What do you think happens when a massive number of customers have had these weak PHEVs for a while?
Yes, that’s right. They will ask for, nay demand, more range. Which will push a huge number of EVs closer toward being fully electric.

It’s the perfect gateway-drug.

OK, maybe European suppression of an awful lot of better PHEV alternatives will float VW.

Buybacks of U.S. 2.0 TDIs have officially begun, with dealer CPO models only. It’s a start. Jalopnik ran a story.

VW rolled out a new 1.5 diesel, this week. Ward’s makes it sound like the decision to use SCR was an advancement:
“Among the technical developments said to be included on the new engines is a cylinder on demand (COD) system for the gasoline unit and a selective-catalytic-reduction system (SRC) for the diesel.”

Old dogs.

I hope it works like that. But I worry that many people will never plug them in and just buy them because they have to get them to meet the regulations. If you only get 10 or so miles of EV range, there is not much incentive to plug in. But then again, maybe the high price of gasoline in Europe will motivate people a bit more.

People here in Europe will plug them in, don’t worry about that.

People are environmentally aware so if they have the possibility to plug it in, they will use it. Both for the local and global environment.

The difference in cost for running on electricity vs. petrol/diesel is also a good incentive, even though it’s secondary.
Everybody wants to save money, and when you get to help the environment and get a smooth and quiet ride too then it’s a no-brainer.

I’d be glad if they manage longer ranges for and that the batteries get cheaper so the price difference go down. But the short-range is how it will be and how they car manufacturers will manage to get millions of new car buyers in Europe to choose (partly) electric drive.

In 2020 we will probably see a lot of models where at plug comes as standard in all but the absolute cheapest version. And in the luxury car segments then it will probably be standard in all.
Oh you want a BMW 5/6/7-series without a plug? Oh we don’t sell those anymore…

Well, I worry that many people would like to plug them in but because they live in flats, apartments, and other places without dedicated parking places (Or parking places they don’t own so they can’t install a charger), they won’t be able to plug in.

Europe needs to start passing laws mandating that new housing parking places have the wiring installed for chargers. And existing parking places allow renters to have chargers installed.

When I read this I was thinking about apartment dwellers needing an EV that can at least charge off of a 240 volt 30 amp dryer outlet, but then I realized that they probably don’t have dryers and have to go to laundromats. Then it occurred to me: if laundromats have those outlets, and people are stuck there for hours – then why not install charge stations at laundromats?

They actually need more choice in batteries range and 100 miles is a threshold point that hold strategic importance. That is when most can drive ev on their commute. 50 km is just a joke.

50 km is not a joke in Europe (often shorter distances) but it is indeed a joke in US. So it depends which market VW group is aiming at.

GM tried selling a PHEV with longer range in Germany (the Opel Ampera, basically a re-badged Volt). It was a complete flop. I see no indications that his assessment is wrong. PHEV buyers don’t seem terribly interested in more range than 20-30 miles.

Your logic is flawed and based off limited data. The ones that are selling in Europe are built there or in nations with prefered trade status. The Ampera was way more money there than in the US, thus the reason it did not do as well there compared to US.

The Volt outsells the etron in US btw.

Almost all cars are more expensive in Europe than the US. The Audi A3 e-tron (37,900 Euro) is about the same price in Germany as the Ampera was (38,300 Euro), yet the e-tron already sells much better than the Ampera ever did.

I think most PHEV buyers simply aren’t interested in paying more money or sacrificing room for larger batteries. These customers aren’t as fixated on all-electric range as the “EV purists” on this forum.

The 1.4 TSI is more like 24k.

You forgot to mention it wasn’t that price until they cut it 17%. Also the tax offset didn’t get passed until June 2013. By then, you were getting close to the point where you had a lame duck model. Regardless, it made more sense to focus on markets where the trade status didn’t have a noticeable effect. They either need to build a factory in Europe or set up some kind of final assembly scheme like Tesla does.

Braben said:

“GM tried selling a PHEV with longer range in Germany (the Opel Ampera, basically a re-badged Volt). It was a complete flop.”

It was a complete flop because the price was about twice as much in Europe as in the USA. This is no evidence whatsoever that Europeans won’t prefer longer-range PHEVs if and when they’re offered.

In fact, the argument is downright silly. It’s like arguing that people will prefer gasmobiles with smaller gas tanks, so they won’t have to haul around the weight of all that extra fuel.

Wow, I actually agree with your comment on this one, which is funny because generally I have not when it comes to range needed on PHEV’s. While I think there is a place for lower range models (more so in larger vehicles), Braben’s comment was so wrong it made it easy easy to agree with you on this one.

The model choices for plug-ins are so slim right now compared to ICE cars drawing the kind of conclusion Braben did is premature.

I like the eGolf but Volkswagen has never sold a plugin in Texas. I talked to the sales manager at a local Chevy dealership and Texas is definitely going to be getting the Bolt, he couldn’t tell me when but it’s definitely going to be sooner than 2019. With the limited number of CCS stations in Texas an EV with a 200 mile range is pretty usable traveling between the major cities, 185 mile range planned for the next gen eGolf not so much. When and if VW sells a long range EV in Texas it’s probably going to be out classed and out sold by the Bolt. The only planned VW that might compete with the Bolt would be a 100 kWh BUDDe, that’s if it is reasonable priced and offered in all fifty states.

Kind of crazy to think that in the 10 years form 2010 to 2020 we’ll likely go from 75-80 mile range EVs to 200 mile range EVs at roughly the same price point (in real currency).

I don’t think that 2.5x increase will continue from 2020 to 2030 (500 miles seems unnecessary), but what would happen is government get serious about climate change and tax oil properly and we get explosive growth.

And just the fact that large numbers of EVs with large batteries start selling might bring down costs through mass market scale. I think ICE cars still have a HUGE advantage in that they are sold in such large numbers that they are able to push down costs of the various parts . . . transmissions, engines, mufflers, ignition systems, etc. Once EVs are made in 1,000,000 or more quantities, we should see the price of chargers, controllers, and batteries come down a bit.

Only takes 500,000 according to DOE studies. We’re almost there.

Well it’s an improvement at least but it’s fairly weak for a 2019 car. Hopefully it’s an underestimate.

Well if it is 186 miles of real EPA rated range, that would be GREAT. That would put it up there with the Bolt and Model 3.

What is their strategy for being able to make that affordable? LG Chem?

VW bought Quantumscape battery. Hopefully this 2019 target will be the introduction of solid state batteries, but I’m not holding my breath.

see my post above re quantum scape.

IMO The big question is price, IF vw produce a reasonably priced ev golf with a 50-60 kWh battery then it will sell really well. the tesla and bolt may have more range for a similar price but people, especially Germans, like vw and the golf is very popular. There is more to car sales than numbers on a spec sheet.

I agree with most here that 2019 as a release year is a bit disapointing but as Mikael mentioned above the important underlying piece of information here is that it will be a dedicated BEV platform. This means a lot as for example the platform used by the VW golf ICE (MBQ) is also used by Audi, Skoda, Seat and even Porsche (about 10 different car models). So a new platform could potentially mean like 10 different long range BEV’s in next 5 years. Now Toyota should take such a decision as well (sometimes, hopefully…)

“…the current plug-in hybrid has 50 kilometers [31 miles] of electric range and we don’t need more than that.”

Gosh, that’s right up there with that apocryphal Bill Gates quote: “640 kB ought to be enough for anybody”.

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The next gen e-Golf will have 186 real-world miles of range? Well, let’s hope so. But it’s always best to be dubious when an auto maker claims X miles of real-world range for a plug-in EV. Yeah, GM lately has actually been telling the truth about that, but the general rule of thumb is this: As plug-in EVs approach actual production, the claimed range goes down while the estimated price goes up.

My feeling is that VW intends to design a plateform that allows around 60Kwh of battery capacity (so around 186-200 miles real range).
By the time this car is released, it might be that chemistry has improved. Now lets not forget that one of the reasosn BEV sales are so poor in Germany is because of range at their highway speed. Within a month after release I bet all German car magazines will take it on the autobahn and see how far it drives at 90MPH constant. VW better be cautious with range then.

That’s why VW needs an EV based on the highly aerodynamic XL1 coupe, but made out of steel to save money. Once you get the cD under .20 those highway figures can get pretty impressive. 200 foot pounds of torque should move a XL1 pretty well.

Ok, this is what we all expect. Nothing new. If they want sell EV’s to the public they should offer at least 200 miles of range (in real life) combined with an extended fastcharging infrastructure. And industry, start being creative in getting one plug. Don’t you care about your customers? They absolutely dislike the (subsidised) chargers with three cables on it. You can do better then that! Or else you will probably stick to the shameful low salesfigures you have now with the compliance cars.

186 miles would be great. I’ve got a thousand bucks down on a model 3 but I would definitely look at another e-golf (I have a 2016 SE model and I’m very happy with it). So come on VW, get it together!

Oops, meant to say: 186-mile e-Golf must be able to DC fast charge over and over. The current model must AC charge after DC charging. I.e. you have to alternate: not good for long trips.