Next-Gen Citroën C1, Peugeot 108 & Toyota Aygo Going Electric?

OCT 16 2018 BY MARK KANE 23

Citroën C1 expected to go electric.

The second-generation Citroën C1 is a small city car produced since 2014 on the joint platform with the Peugeot 108 and Toyota Aygo in Kolín, Czech by TPCA joint venture (Toyota Peugeot Citroën Automobile).

Since PSA Group needs to decide what to do with C1/108 in the upcoming 3rd generation, reporters questioned Citroën CEO Linda Jackson about what to expect. The answer was “I think probably electric“.

If the Citroën C1 goes electric, it’s obvious that Peugeot 108 will too and it would be strange if Toyota would then not offer an electric Aygo. The question is whether Toyota is willing to participate in the cost of development of a new generation in ICE and BEV versions?

“If we find a common strategy, we can continue. If we have a different strategy, it could be a reason to stop it, “warned Didier Leroy, President of Toyota Europe, at the Paris Motor Show, which notes however the excellent relations between its two partners.

The article speculates that the small electric car with a 20-30 kWh battery could have range of 160-200 km (100-124 miles).

For PSA Group, it would be handy to be able to replace the Peugeot iOn and Peugeot C-Zero based on the Mitsubishi i-MiEV (and produced in Japan by Mitsubishi). Those cars are already 10 years old, which is kinda surprising that they still exist in such a quickly developing market.

Source: automobile-propre.com

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23 Comments on "Next-Gen Citroën C1, Peugeot 108 & Toyota Aygo Going Electric?"

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Arpe

Bring it!

Could be a great micro-electric vehicle as a second household or commuter car.

Benz

“For PSA Group, it would be handy to be able to replace the Peugeot iOn and Peugeot C-Zero based on the Mitsubishi i-MiEV (and produced in Japan by Mitsubishi).”

Citroen C-Zero

Benz

“Next-Gen Citroën C1, Peugeot 108 & Toyota Aygo Going Electric?”

That would be three nice and affordable EV models.

zzzzzzzzzz

By the way Citroën C1 conversion to electric was available for sale for a while. The company doing it is bankwupt now.

eject

Hopefully we can finally get something that is significantly below 20k€.

You can easily save €10k during the lifetime of the car compared to an ICE. So what you are asking for is an equivalent to a €10k car or maybe even lower?

I hope prices will drop too. But at €20k they would be rolling piggy banks.

deine Mutter

impossible to save that much over the lifetime of the car. Look at the Smart EQ and the Smart ICE. Thy can be bought for 12k€ and 22k€. There is a reason why the ICE variant sells more than 10x of the EV version, you will never recoup the difference if you don’t do high milage which those small cars rarely do.

170 000 km * 5l/100 km * €2 / liter = €17k just in fuel cost over the lifetime of a pretty average car.

Add emission related taxes, maintenance and a number of other things and you will see how much you can save over the lifetime of the car. And oh, it’s so much more fun with an electric car so you can hardly compare it to the experience of driving a petrol Aygo with the engine always strained and always gasping to be put down. Show it some mercy and stay away from it.

Ian

But people who expect to drive that much don”t buy NEW very small cars…….

zzzzzzzzzz

Slightly bigger Toyota Yaris compact Hybrid is from 13 000 € before value added tax.
Much less upfront premium to “save” later to break even, and no need of chargers or extension cord from a 7th floor apartment.

The electric version would at least break even with that one even at a high price. And why would you want a crappy hybrid when you good get a good (electric) car for the same money?

Chargers for parking spots are on their way, but I guess anti-EV people like you don’t want to hear such things.

Omicron
EDIT: If anyone can tell me why this comment box is completely ignoring all my attempts at line breaks or paragraphs, I’d be extremely grateful! Original Post: I don’t think it saves all that much. On larger cars, sure. But the ICE versions of these things are all frugal econoboxes to begin with, and are usually made of cheap, bare-bones components. Source: I drive a car in this class (2010 RenaultTwingo II) right now. And the reason I am still driving it, and have not switched to an EV just yet, is partly one of cost. I have carefully recorded my fuel economy over the past 24 months, and I average 5.31 L/100km gasoline (44.3 MPG US, 53.1 MPG UK). With my yearly driving distance of 14k to 15k kilometers, and current fuel and electricity prices where I live, I would save about 800€ per year. So in order to make up for a €10k price difference, I’d have to drive it twelve and a half years, or more than 180,000 km. Just to *break even* on cost. And yes, perhaps I might save some on maintenance (though the current ~€200/year is hardly worth mentioning), but keep in mind: I… Read more »
arne-nl

These will probably be positioned short range city cars. I hope they don’t expect to sell lots of them. The other electric city cars (Smart for2/for4 EQ and VW e-Up) don’t fare very well.

deine Mutter

Their ICE counterparts sell very well. If they can sell them cheap enough there is a big market. At twice the price of the ICE version it’s pointless.

arne-nl

I’m afraid that if the range is short, it won’t sell, no matter how low the price.

deine Mutter

A range of 100km in winter is plenty for a car that size.

Ian

Sorry it much be possible to make long trips, as many people with small cars don’t like renting cars, and do need to visit family a few times a year. Hence 100km range is not enough, as due to the need to charge before you run out, and rapid charging never being 100% dependable, and charging above 80% being very slow, people will need to be charging at least every 50km.

yo

eUP news… Bigger battery cheaper price in 2019…
https://pushevs.com/2018/10/04/more-info-about-volkswagen-electric-triplets/

zzzzzzzzzz

They already had EQ subcompact developed in 2012, but pulled plug for mass production at that time. I can’t say now they were wrong, looking back at Nissan’s failed attempts to sell half a million Leafs per year and oil price bubble loosing air later.

https://www.engadget.com/2012/09/24/toyota-plans-dialed-back-launch-of-eq-and-iq-ev-city-cars-in-december/

offib

I think this could potentially have a much smaller pack. Given Toyota’s connections with Mazda, if their rotary REx is successful and emissions compliant, I can see it being enough to justify using a smaller 12-24kWh pack that would be “more suitable” for an EU city car.

Potentially now that nnew cells are gaining amp hours (but trading in for power density), it might prove to make sense in having a traditional series-hybrid with the (still generous capacity) battery covering low-power demand solely, ~40kW, but extra demand can be met by a 700cc REx for maybe another 40kW or more.

It would offer something light and package-able enough, but with considerable electric power.

I.e the 2011 Audi A1 etron that should’ve been here and replaced by now.

Benz

What would be the range if these A-Segment cars were EV’s with a 24 kWh battery pack?

200 km WLTP?

viriato

This kind of cars are perfect for been electric. Smart for example, said next ForTwo and ForFour generations, will be only electric.

Maeve Daly

I would be very interested in the Toyota aygo going electric.