New Nissan LEAF Set For U.S. Debut During National Drive Electric Week From Sept 9th

AUG 17 2017 BY ERIC LOVEDAY 82

The new 2018 Nissan LEAF will make its global debut on September 6th in Tokyo – which is of course is actually September 5th in North America and Europe, but when will people first get the chance to kick the tires in the US?

We’ve now learned that special events have been put on the calendar by Nissan for September 9th through 16th, making public appearances at National Drive Electric Week events across the U.S.

“The timing couldn’t be better. Bringing LEAF to some of the most enthusiastic EV advocates just days after its global debut is the perfect way to kick things off for this technology-packed car,” said Brian Maragno, director, Nissan EV Marketing and Sales Strategy. “We can’t wait to show off the all-new LEAF to electric vehicle owners and enthusiasts during National Drive Electric Week.”

While test drives won’t initially be held at this year’s NDEW, attendees can explore the new EV, and if you already own a Nissan LEAF, you can sign up for an early test drive in your area scheduled for just a couple weeks later!

Here are the dates of interest:

Sept. 9

  • Seattle, Washington | Denny Park | 9 a.m.-2 p.m.
  • San Diego, California | Qualcomm Stadium | 10 a.m.-3 p.m.
  • Alpharetta, Georgia | Avalon | 11 a.m.-4 p.m.

Sept. 14

  • Bridgewater, New Jersey | Bridgewater Municipal Building Car Park | 6 p.m.-9 p.m.

Sept. 16

  • Portland, Oregon | Washington Square | 10 a.m.-5 p.m.
  • Los Angeles, California | Los Angeles State Historic Park | 10 a.m.-3 p.m.
  • Cupertino, California | DeAnza College | 10 a.m.-4 p.m.

As for what to expect at the events, Nissan states:

Consumers visiting the Nissan display in each city will be greeted by a modern space, featuring the next-generation LEAF. Visitors will be able to explore the LEAF, equipped with Nissan Intelligent Mobility features including ProPILOT Assist™ and e-Pedal technology. On-site hosts will be available throughout the events to answer questions and provide a closer look at LEAF. Food, beverages and branded merchandise will also be available for visitors.

Current LEAF owners will be offered an exclusive chance to sign up for the “The All New LEAF Drive and Discover Experience,” providing a behind-the-wheel opportunity to experience the next-generation LEAF just weeks after it is unveiled. To sign up, owners must present the key fob to their current LEAF and register for the test drive while visiting the display. The first test-drives will begin in October.


 

Some recently discovered specs for the new LEAF include:

  • 40 kWh battery, plus longer range battery option (~60 kWh?)
  • Range of up to 165 miles for the base (we think ~150 miles EPA)
  • 147 HP
  • 236 pound-feet of torque
  •  S, SV, and SL trim levels, with the price tags of $29,990, $32,490, and $36,200

The new LEAF is expected to start deliveries in the U.S. in December.

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The biggest open question probably is what battery cap the higher-end trims will feature (at the very least later in 2018 – if not from the beginning).

40 kWh looks like the new base capacity.

40kWh across the board. There will not be a larger capacity available. If you look at the leaked prices (assuming they are correct) then One could not expect a larger battery. SV is $2500 more than the S, and the SL is $3800 more than the SV. SV will have heat pump and a navigation. SL will likely have L2 ProPilot, heated steering wheel, etc.
$29,990, $32,490, and $36,200

I’ve got a Benjamin that say that you are not correct…and I wouldn’t take that bet, (=

The fact that you are willing to throw down $100 on an imaginary internet bet gives me hope, Jay…

HA! Jay uses those to light his cigars in the morning, so the bet is good for his health in that he smokes one less….

Seriously, Nissan Marketing always claims to these ears every single non-existant battery improvement technology (I personally LOVE Andrew Palmer’s “We’ll adjust the gas gauge so it always reads full bars”) – then has rather reluctantly compensated the Nissan owners who sufficiently complain.

So that signals to me, that the new battery is going to be fairly lousy, seeing as Nissan would surely trumpet the most meager improvement in quality.

Compare that to the Chevy BOLT, where the owner’s manual says the 90% charge facility IS ONLY for Hill Top reserve, saying nothing about any Battery Longevity improvement.

Rather analogous to the Hybrid Malibu not having any ECO mode, since the Normal Mode is plenty fuel-efficient enough. I take the lack of any info in the owner’s manual to be Chevy has done sufficient testing to show full charges don’t affect the battery longevity.

I’ll find out as I’m driving my new BOLT ev everywhere, more than 22,000 miles/year. I’ll quickly find out if the battery is as good as it seems.

Too funny, Bill!

The Bolt is a great little EV and I also trust GM engineering far more than I trust Nissan. That said, the Leaf is still solidly on my short list. My requirement is that it meets my personal needs, not that it hits XXX miles per charge or charges at YYY kW. NYS, in all its brilliance, just installed a DCQC along I-90 in a very convenient location to get me home from most places I traveled. Equally brilliant, they installed three chargers at the same location for redundancy. Where the state fell flat on their face is that all three are CHAdeMO. Not a single CCS at the location. I’m guessing Nissan helped foot the bill? The sooner the VW money gets spent on a good CCS network the better.

Is it a statue of Benjamin Franklin?

Yeah, I think there might be a couple of those lying around somewhere I could just pick up…

/too soon?

Too soon? What have I missed…

Now, now, just because you do not like that Benjamin Franklin statue doesn’t mean you can personally tear it down. We cannot have you arrested when there are EVs to report on!

Go through your local government and follow legal protocols for relocating it to a museum where it can be displayed with a proper historical context. 😉

I guess your bet is a reply to @ Durandal given the nested reply…

Well, I can’t imagine the top trim with “only” 40 kWh. 50-60 kWh seems feasible (but maybe shipping a little later…).

My money is on the professional EV blogger.

I think the question not “will the LEAF have a larger battery option” but rather “when will this option be available?”

Jay, are you willing to bet that a ~60 kWh larger battery option will be simultaneously available for order and nest-term delivery alongside the 40 kWh base Model?

If not, when are you betting that the larger battery option will become available in the US?

Yes but will the bigger 48-60kwhr LG? battery be available on release?

How about a bet that says that the Leaf will come with at a 60 kWh option or higher within the next 6 months.

Would you bet for or against that one? 😛

I don’t think Nissan would have the SL at the same price of a 60 kWh Bolt with only a 40 kWh battery. The benchmark is to have an EV of 200+ range for under 30k after tax credit.

There is no way Nissan are going to price a 40kWh battery leaf at above TM3 base price or Bolt for that matter regardless of what spec it has IMO.

If can assume the Bolt’s lack of availability outside CARB is due to selling at a loss (either directly or due to a limited-volume battery contract at low prices), then the Nissan is under no pressure from GM. Their tax credit will last longer than GM’s and Tesla, too.

The Model 3 has a huge order backlog (and let’s face it, almost nobody on that list is leaving for a Leaf), so it’s not putting any pressure on Nissan either. It’s also $41k with autopilot, whereas the Leaf could be $34k with ProPilot if the leak was correct.

I don’t think Nissan is in any rush to reduce pricing for a 40kWh base Leaf. I’d likely buy one if it was available by the end of the year.

The Bolt is available nationwide. Not limited to CARB states. The dealer I bought my Bolt from here in Dallas, TX has about 20 in stock or in shipping.

The only states where finding a Bolt on lots is difficult will be the same states where finding a leaf is more difficult. That is: states with low populations, lack of density and low sales numbers. In these states you will most likely need to specifically order one unless you live near a major city.

“It’s also $41k with autopilot, whereas the Leaf could be $34k with ProPilot if the leak was correct.”

However, if Tesla upgrades for free or modest cost a Model 3 owner’s Autopilot in future to Level 3, then Level 4 and perhaps even Level 5, autonomy, I would have to say the M3 is the better deal. Currently, does Nissan even discuss supplying its cars with Level 3 capabilities?

This question of battery sizes and trim levels, especially in light of the leaked pricing, is THE issue with the Leaf right now. Looking at the 2017 models, they all have 30kWh packs and there’s a $6K+ spread from the S to the SL. ($30,680 to $36,790)

If Nissan tries to say the L2 is a bargain because the pricing is basically the same but the pack is 1/3 larger, and ignores competitors’ features and prices, they’re making an immense mistake.

This is related to something I’ve been talking about for years: As a car company, how do you manage your product line as battery prices keep plunging? You never want to offer a new model significantly cheaper than the one it replaces, as that creates a huge incentive for people to wait for newer (assumed cheaper) models. But increasing pack sizes is tough without a major redesign.

Do we know when the larger (60kWh?) pack will arrive in the L2?

Don’t be surprised if the 60kWh battery isn’t in the $36k SL from the outset.

*is not isn’t !

Was not was? Great band.

To be, or not to be. That is . . . .Oh never mind!

First, the leaf has been discounted by $10,000,= all over the USA. Think of this as an unofficial new lower MSRP.

Second, this is a complete new design. The designers talked about having been given a blank slate.

Third, the Leaf seen charging in France did have probably a 60kWh battery pack according to French Leaf drivers knowing the charger and the numbers on their Leaf when charging there.

This is a refresh not a new design. “blank slate” and they chose the exact same roofline and doors?

Why does something have to change if it works? The 911 looked like a 911 for 35 years. Change for change sake is just stupid.

We always seem to get hosed on discounts here in Canada – 2017 Leaf is still listed on their website at the same price it has always sold for. Are you getting these deals only if you go in and talk to a stealership?

No the new discounts here are coming from the power companies, but only in a few states. Everyone still gets the $7500 tax credit in all states because it’s federal. No new discounts here in Montana.

These three prices are probably not for the longer range Nissan Leaf.

There will be three more prices.

Just add $9,000.- to each of those prices.

What? An extra $9k for an extra 20kWh of battery? I highly doubt that. I would bet something more around $4-$5k. What, do you think their customers are fine with being gouged like some others are???

No way it will be $9K. A replacement LEAF battery (24kWh) is only $5,500 installed including trade in of the old battery.

He’s confusing Nissan with Tesla. Only Tesla would charge an extra $8,000 up front for a technology (FSD) that will never work with the supplied equipment.

ProPilot isn’t L2. Even Nissan says so.

It’s basically what is in a Honda Accord right now.

I don’t know what to say about battery capacities. I agree those price bumps don’t seem large enough to include battery bumps beyond 40kWh.

Frankly, I would expect 32kWh, 40kWh, 40kWh for the trims. Maybe 41kW or whatever the Zoe has, but 40kWh-ish either way.

But I guess Jay knows better.

Agreed. 40kWh may be fine for Japan and even much of Europe. It’s not going to cut it for me, though. I have too many regular trips in the 250-300 mile range with little supporting infrastructure (typically 150-200 miles between QCs).

Nissan has shown us a 60kWh battery prototype (highlighted multiple times by our friendly IEVs staff!). The questions in my mind are – 1) when is this battery coming (this fall? 2018? later?) 2) how much will it cost and 3) is it meant for the Leaf or some other, larger, EV?

Otherwise, I really like all of the stats and images I’m seeing of the 2018 Leaf.

Thanks Nissan for killing your EV models successfully.Bolt stopped temporarily manufacturing as inventory is line up no takers. Tesla is the shark on EV ocean and you all are crayfish. No thermal cooling no 200+ miles range small car for 30K ?

They took an extra 2 weeks off from production to reduce production of the sonic because they are selling so bad.

I think the biggest question is at what rate will the new leaf charge at? A fast charge rate and a deal with charging networks to support that charge rate could make the smaller battery an advantage. This is especially true in California where charging infrastructure is plentiful and the climate is moderate.

The real question should be, “Will the new battery finally have liquid cooling?”. The current Nissan Leaf is plagued with issues resulting from battery range loss.

Sven, are you around? I haven’t seen your funny comments in weeks.

Seems to be a nice looking car. Propilot will be welcome. Definitely interested. My 2011 wasn’t really sporty, but a solid 5 seater EV.

Chinatown in Downtown LA on 9/16 for test drives of the Leaf for LA Leaf Lovers. Be prepared to be underwhelmed by the largest range boost yet, from 2017 – 30 kWh of capacity, to 2018 – 40 kWh.

Be prepared to be surprised.

I would love to have egg on my face as Gomer Pyle, U.S.M.C at the Leaf Launch. Of course, I would be seeking low kWh battery estimate redemption, by exclaiming “Surprise, Surprise, Surprise!!!

[raises hand] I’ll do a c-note on larger battery option coming.

Interestingly, the location of the Atlanta event happens to be in same mall as the local Tesla store.

I used to go when it was held at Atlantic Station but Alpharetta is too far away for me to be convenient.

Plus I don’t have anything interesting to contribute now since our Volt and i3 are old hat and people will be more interested in seeing the Model Ses, Xes and Bolts. And of course the new Leaf.

I used to go when it was held at Atlantic Station but Alpharetta is too far away for me to be convenient.

Plus I don’t have anything interesting to contribute now since our Volt and i3 are old hat and people will be more interested in seeing the Model Ses, Xes and Bolts. And of course the new Leaf.

Let’s see an EV with a smaller battery than the competition in the same price range *and* using an outdated charging plug that every other manufacturer has abandoned (in the US) making it almost certain to eventually be abandoned entirely as a constant stream of CCS cars are released.

Where do I sign up?!

Think you will be surprised by how many do sign up. Don’t underestimate Nissan.

The CHAdeMO connector is one of its best features. The PNW is CHAdeMO rich and CCS poor.

Many CCS plugs are limited to 24kW! What the heck BMW!

Agree!!

Oregon’s deployment of ChaDeMo’s is way more comprehensive than CCS (e.g: all up and down the coast road – Hwy 101) as well as the I-5 Interstate from Washington to California.

Leaf2 with ChaDeMo would put its usefulness way above Chevy Bolt, even with somewhat lesser Leaf range.

On the other hand, Leaf2 with CCS would offer seriously degraded capability (in OR, at least) and would have very strong competition from Bolt.

Waiting with great interest.

And… liquid cooled battery? Anyone? anyone?

The bigger battery pack of the second generation Nissan Leaf really has got be 60 kWh (besides the 40 kWh battery pack), otherwise there will not be that much demand for this EV.

The Chevrolet Bolt EV is already available with a 60 kWh battery pack.

I call it a 65 kwh pack since you can get at least 59.9 kwh useable out of the BOLT ev. Other automakers always call their batteries larger than what is useable (example: MY Roadster had a ’53 kwh’ battery – but I couldn’t drain that much out of it – of course, assuming impossibly ZERO heating, the battery probably DID sit fully charged at 53 kwh but then to discharge the battery you’d also get 4 kwh of heat so the amount of juice you actually got out of the battery practically was 49 kwh).

So, seeing as the BOLT ev battery gives you essentially 60 kwh PLUS some heat, means that it is litterally sitting fully charged with around 65 kwh in it. (It takes 67.77 kwh to fully charge the battery in the first place).

Hey Bill,

Can you reach 30 miles/hour charge rate on home charging? At 7.2 kW or whatever the on board charger takes at 240V. Depending on SOC. And if you drive with a lite foot.

The saturday before last I drove the BOlt ev 279 miles on one charge. Seeing as this is around 67 kwh (full charge is 67.77 kwh) and I wasn’t completely empty, but probably close.

The car, although tapering during fast charging, seems to run at 7.2 kw on Level 2 pretty much to the bitter end. So that is around 9 hours, 20 minutes. OR 30 miles per hour.

So 32? Not quite – but then I don’t drive with that Light a pedal. If you drove so as to get over 300 miles, then sure.

I don’t agree at all. There will be demand, just at a lower price point.

The real question is: “What strategy does Nissan want to apply to the second generation Nissan Leaf?”

Of course Nissan is aiming for succes.

But what do they want to see happening in the near future?

What do they have in house to beat the competition?

People are obsessed with range. For the right price the new LEAF will sell, just like the 7 year old LEAF does now. Remember:

— over 90% of daily trips are under 50 miles;
— there is a growing charging infrastructure;
— people have multiple cars, use other forms of transportation for long trips regardless.

“People are obsessed with range”. Yeah I am, although I categorize it as being practical. As long as there are PHEV’s I’d never buy a BEV with under around 120 miles range even in a 3rd car. Yeah the avg is 30-35 miles per day… But that is an average. Some days I don’t drive the car at all, preferring my bicycle. But then on the 3rd day Ill drive over 100 miles. “Charging Infrastructure”. You must be talking about California. Where I am it doesn’t exist, and what Brian talked about is EAST OF HIM, and I’m 150 miles west of him. In the states there is only ONE L3 charger 150 miles from me, and Plugshare says it sometimes works, sometimes doesn’t. And I’m not driving anywhere where I have to be dependent on ONE ccs unit. What if someone ELSE is charging there even if it does work, or if it is ICE’d? That’s why my BOlt ev has no CCS facility, since I could never use it. Hehe, people now seem to complain batteries are too big but there are not big enough L3 chargers. Go figure. The VW E-golf is a finely appointed auto, but… Read more »

That’s the problem. Everyone is all over the map. Everyone says you have to have a giant battery, but then they say you also have to have a charging network. But, let’s also not forget that it has to be affordable.

I’m sure Nissan has a strategy. They are not the rubes the Inside EVs peanut gallery would have you believe. My fear is that the US is really a secondary market for the LEAF and they are really going hard after Europe. Between the Zoe and the new LEAF, they will own Europe.

You know, California is not the only state with charging infrastructure and mild winters. Things have changed a lot since 2011 when the first 73-mile Leafs started roaming around with almost no public charging (forget DCFC), and they managed somehow. Hell, even with the 35-mile Volt people drove all over without burning a single drop of gas, wondering why they need to haul the iron block ICE after all. Well, now we don’t have to haul an expensive monster battery and squeeze in and out of the car as it takes up all the room anymore. What we do need is more people driving EVs, which means we need to make them accessible to more people. That’s what Nissan tried to do with the first Leaf, that’s what they are doing with the new one.

Sure you can drive that “35 mile Volt” all over the place when you have the comfort of knowing that in case you need to go somewhere unplanned you can just add some gas and go. The main idea to remember about these “short” range evs is that they can easily replace a second car in the household. How many households in America have at least 2 cars? What is that second or third car is an ev?…how are the evs numbers look under that scenario?

…without using a single drop of gas. That’s important as it shows that not only it is possible it was done regularly. The Volt was my only car.

As long as range is inadequate for the big mass then we will obsess about it.

When the basic models all have 200+ miles range and have 300+ mile options then we can stop obsessing.

There will not be a single model with less than 200 miles range in a decade from now. It is just not good enough.

How about some cockeyed optimistic prognostication on lease rates. Any changes to their past practices? I’m willing to hold off snagging a closeout ’17 if there’s a chance Nissan goes after Bolt pricing with guns blazing. So to speak.

I’m betting they do. The $199/mo. lease rates were available on the old LEAF pretty much from the get go. Nissan will focus on volume.

The Leaf is a darn nice little car; I enjoy my 2011 even if it now only goes 50 miles. But, it has a problem and the problem is Nissan. Nissan management still thinks like an ICEV car maker and not like it’s main product is a BEV. They sold over 250,000 Leafs in seven years; but, had to sell off their battery factory because they didn’t know how to manage their battery products.

Instead of designing their cars and battery form factors as a growing technology, they just wrote off the idea of updated batteries and the revenue center that would have gone with the idea. There are now 250,000 BEVs with millions of miles and decades left on the chassis’ strained and stuck without a future upgrade path to better batteries and possibly no source for replacement batteries if Nissan decides against building them.

Would you trust buying Nissan a second time? Not me…don’t tell me I should have leased…tell the potential new buyers!

You cannot have your current battery pack replaced for a brand new battery pack (if you would be prepared to pay for it)?

You can replace it, but with a new pack no better than the one that was put in 5-7 years ago.
So it’s a shame, because battery are getting better, albeit slowly, that you cannot get an improve one.
Other point that other bring out about the total capacity is the way Nissan and other are wrongfully expressing the total capacity instead of the useable one.
I don’t care much about having a 100 gallons tank that I can only use 80.
Damm, then it’s a 80 gallons tank, not more.

Well, if the rumors are true and they are using LG, then they are using the same battery as the Bolt. Maybe, they decided that making batteries wasn’t their strong suit. Based on what you are saying, you should be happy they went in a different direction.

By chance, is something Italian on the menu of the BayLeaf dine-and-discover event?

Great tie in for the S.F. EVent. Antipasto platters are probably being served, at the parallel Chevy Bolt Club event across town.

With 3 weeks for the display, we expect 3 features in new Leaf.
* Multiple ranges (40 KWh & 60 KWh)
* Multiple drives (2WD & 4WD)
* Charging stations (If not L3, at least Nissan could team up with hotels to offer L2 charging over night).

A car with 150 – 250 mile range will be driven to places far away and so a network of charging stations is needed for this vehicle.
Similarly a hatch/wagon/crossover will be driven with bikes/kayaks to some state/national parks where some offroading is needed and hence a trim(s) with AWD.

The prices posted are not true. Nissan cannot afford to have the new Leaf with just 1 range and just 2WD, they will miss many customers.

Remember, Tesla Effect is ON.

LG michigan battery plant is expanding. Thought this was for increased and local supply for bolt.

Perhaps nissan too?

It’s not a Tesla…..

60 kWh is needed. Hate to see nissan release a car obsolete before it hits the market but they released their battery plan years ago and they have stuck to it religiously.

M3 - Reserved ; Niro/Leaf - TBD

I think it’s smart to offer a smaller local version and then larger battery with range.

The lower allows for a very low entry point and essentially take most of the non 500e market and undercut the Bolt/Model 3 market with the smaller market.

It’ll compete directly with the Niro/Ioniq .

Glad I bought a Bolt.

Leaf is looking pretty hopeless. Probably no 60 KwH battery, and if there is it will cost a lot more. And no liquid thermal management for battery apparently.

To compete seriously, Nissan needs minimum 200 miles range, liquid thermal management, and a few safety and convenience goodies. It won’t have them.
Our Bolt and Spark EVs kick on pumps and fans in the hot weather, and even the AC, to cool the battery. Nissan isn’t going to do that.

Leased a Leaf for 3 years. Good car. Terrible battery. And Nissan hasn’t learned from it. Never again.

M3-Reserved Niro/Leaf - TBD

We still don’t know the specs on the battery, and they are moving to LG Chem (Bolt battery) too so don’t be so negative on that front.

The drive still stinks, but to me that doesn’t really matter on a hauler which we are looking to replace the CR-V/Odyssey ICE — it’ll be plenty fast.

Will miss our fun cars: Fiat 500e and SparkEV — but Model 3 is scheduled to replace those fun cars 🙂 — splurging now!!

40 kWh isn’t going to be moving anyone anytime soon from their current car. It’s just a meh incremental step, imo.

60 kWh base, and 80 kWh option is what I think would make people want to make the switch as it’ll provide plenty of range for the day.

I hope Nissan changes their mind about the skimpy 40 kWh hour base model and will in a year or two shift to a much higher base.