New Info On 2017 “Fisker” Karma

2 years ago by Mark Kane 25

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According to the Fisker Buzz’s forum member JCMorrill, Karma Automotive (formerly Fisker Automotive) intends to reintroduce Fisker Karma as a 2017 model year product.

The bad news is that the plans are pretty modest compared to previous strategies, and only 100-150 cars are to be made and sold at higher price (apparently $135,000).

Original entity – Fisker Automotive, collapsed around 2012 and its assets were acquired by Chinse Wanxiang Group, who also bought A123 Systems (battery supplier to Fisker Automotive).

Originally, cars were produced in Finland by Valmet Automotive. The new version is to be produced in Costa Mesa, California.

Reintroduction of the Karma will be supported by partnership with BMW, which seems to turn into a primary supplier, providing parts from the i8:

“BMW will supply Karma Automotive with their latest powertrain components, including high voltage battery charging systems and a wide range of hybrid and EV systems.”

According to JCMorrill there will be no revolution in the new Karma:

“I got to spend a couple hours last week with the managers setting up the new factory. What I learned was the new Karmas will have only a limited number of improvements. The EV & total range will be the same (though the HV battery will be different and it should charge faster). The engine will be the same. The screen & dash displays will be updated. And, the car will have (ADAS) Driver Assist Braking/Cruise Following. The RDM/Traction motors should be more reliable (which seems like the minimum they can do). The quality checking will be much higher. You can order it in a large range of colors (but many of the existing colors will not be available). The car may have some slight facia variances from the 2012 cars on the front/back bumpers — though they had no examples for us to see. It will have new wheels that are the same size as ours, and a new tire choice (which we can opt for if we want on our existing cars). It will have down-rated brakes unless you pay extra.”

Previous all-electric range was 33 miles (EPA).

source: Fisker Buzz via Green Car Reports

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25 responses to "New Info On 2017 “Fisker” Karma"

  1. xado says:

    will die before living

    1. evcarnut says:

      They refuse to understand that …,THEY ARE BEATING A DEAD HORSE…Let it go already !..

  2. David Murray says:

    if they are only going to make 100-150 cars, what is the point?

    1. Kdawg says:

      “I got to spend a couple hours last week with the managers setting up the new factory”
      ——
      How much of a factory do you need to hand build 100 cars in a year (or longer)?

      1. Big Solar says:

        Maybe a 6 car garage and an office (or house)

    2. Nix says:

      Fisker had always planned on following the Tesla model of expensive sports car, followed by less expensive more mainstream offering, followed by something the level of a Model 3.

      So what you are asking is like asking what the point was for Tesla to build the Roadster for only a few thousand units.

  3. Big Solar says:

    This is silly.

  4. Someone out there says:

    Unless they are giving it a massive overhaul this is dead on arrival. I guess they are trying to get some value out of their investment but this has failure written all over it.

  5. John morrill says:

    That comment meant just to flesh out the new factory on a known quantity focusing primarily on very high quality. That’s not their overall plan. I don’t know their plans. I’m just an owner. And, why change a car that we all love much?

    1. Kdawg says:

      Continuous improvement?

  6. AtlantaCourier says:

    The $35,000 entry level Model 3 will out-accelerate the Karma and will likely have a higher top speed.

  7. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

    I can only echo what others have already posted. This looks very much like a business plan for losing money, and a company headed headed for swift failure.

    🙁

  8. jelloslug says:

    And they will still outsell the Mirai…..

    1. Pueblo says:

      Ouch! So true though.

      1. sven says:

        Toyota already sold 97 Mirai in the first quarter of 2016.

  9. James says:

    The Karma is so inefficient. Beautiful, but an electron guzzler.

    1. Knut Erik Ballestad says:

      The new BMW drive train might hopefully help in that regard….

  10. Omar Sultan says:

    With a production run of only 100-150 cars, perhaps the goal is simply to create buzz and revitalize the brand with a halo car as a precursor to chasing the growing Chinese market with a more conventional EV. For the Chinese domestic market, “built in California” probably will translate to a price premium.

    1. JPS says:

      You got it Omar…these other comment-ers are incapable of seeing the big picture or have the new normal short attention span.

  11. Max S. says:

    Are those solar panels on its roof? -_-

  12. philip d says:

    Hmm. If I had $135,000 to spend on a PHEV would I spend it on a slow Karma or an i8?

    The only selling point for the Karma is that it “looks cool”. Well the i8 looks cooler and actually performs pretty well. Maybe not $135,00 well but pretty well. The Karma performs like a $40,000 car.

  13. Kent says:

    Why all the negativity? I’m all in favor of the Chinese blowing their money in the U.S.

  14. wavelet says:

    I already have a pretty low opinion of BMW (for not making a long-range BEV or PHEV (long range PHEV means >35mi AER) despite their obviously huge investment in the i3; also for the fake engine sound effects in the i8).
    If BMW does end up being involved in any way in this abortive badge exercise, it;ll sink still lower.

    I also strongly doubt “Karma Automotive” (quotes because this is an alleged company) will be able to sell 20 cars, let alone 100.

  15. Doc says:

    I have intimate knowledge of whats up; and it does not make any business sense whatsoever.
    The car needs a new engine, preferably BMW, not a GM 2.0, and the “design” is already 5 years old, the cat was out of the bag long ago, let it go already. Design something more people can afford. They are not produced in Costa Mesa either, they leased a factory in Moreno Valley.

  16. Bill Howland says:

    I believe in the auto industry not too many get ‘Second Chances’.

    They almost succeeded the first time, with plenty of free $$$. But they made stupid mistakes, such as the fires, and the ‘motorboating’ at very low speeds, which indicated an unfinished PWM design. (I test drove the car extensively twice).

    The car got THE most attention of all the dozens of cars at the Buffalo Auto Show years ago.

    If they couldn’t make it work back then, I see not even the ghost of a chance this time around.