New Flyer Unveils 40-Foot Pure Electric Bus & 60-Foot Fuel-Cell Electric Bus

NOV 1 2014 BY MARK KANE 15

New Flyer Industries recently unveiled two new zero emission buses at the American Public Transit Association Expo tradeshow in Houston, Texas. Both are based on the Xcelsior series.

XE40 – all-electric (see website)

The 40-foot XE40 all electric bus is available with lithium-ion battery packs that are scalable from 100 to 300 kWh depending on customer needs. Drivetrain comes from Siemens, while charging systems are provided by Eaton.

To date, New Flyer already produced six XE40 and five of them should enter service in the coming weeks.

Paul Soubry, New Flyer President and Chief Executive Officer said:

“We’re very excited about the addition of the battery-electric propulsion XE40 to our proven bus portfolio. In addition to clean diesel, natural gas, diesel-electric hybrid, electric trolley and fuel cell, our customers now have a commercially available and cost effective all-electric propulsion option that can integrate seamlessly with their existing transit fleet.  We believe electrification of transit buses was not a matter of ‘if’, but rather ‘when’.”

Chris Stoddart, New Flyer’s Vice President of Engineering and Service commented:

“New Flyer has been the innovation leader for the North American heavy-duty transit industry for decades.  We have more than 20 years of extensive experience with electric vehicle technology including hybrid buses, trolley buses, and fuel-cell hybrid buses. We have designed the XE40 with public transit agencies in mind using components and systems that are Buy America compliant and are manufactured and supported by long time supply chain partners.  The bus can be charged at a depot or utilize a single pantograph interface providing rapid en-route conductive charging that can be integrated into normal transit dwell times.  This allows the bus to be operated with the same duty cycle as a conventional transit bus.”

X60 – fuel cell

The second vehicle is X60, the first ever North American designed and built zero-emission 60-foot battery-electric/fuel cell bus.

Drivetrain is also supplied by Siemens, while fuel cell power plant comes from Ballard Power Systems. There is also a small battery pack because fuel cells need to operate at a relative steady-state to be efficient, while the batteries will be able to both capture breaking energy and provide power for acceleration.

New Flyer has been working on fuel cell technology since 1995 when it delivered the first 40-foot hydrogen fuel cell bus in North America.

“New Flyer has partnered with Ballard Power Systems Inc., and Siemens on a bus that will be operated by Connecticut Transit (CTTransit) for 22 months of in-revenue-service operations. Ballard will supply a next-generation fuel cell power plant that is smaller, lighter and lower in cost than existing models.  A key step in the commercialization will be to complete a full Altoona durability and performance test as part of the US Federal Transit Administration (FTA) Bus Testing Program. Upon the success of this program, New Flyer will offer this vehicle to customers throughout the United States and Canada.”

Paul Soubry, President and Chief Executive Officer of New Flyer remarked:

“This project is part of our technology roadmap and represents another important step for New Flyer in pursuit of durable, reliable and affordable zero-emission public transportation. Over the next decade, we expect to see a continued transition from conventional propulsion towards zero-emission technologies in the heavy-duty transit market and this builds on our natural evolution from: diesel, to hybrid, to natural gas, to electric – all based on the same proven Xcelsior bus platform.”

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15 Comments on "New Flyer Unveils 40-Foot Pure Electric Bus & 60-Foot Fuel-Cell Electric Bus"

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You had me at 40-Foot Pure Electric, then
you had to Ruin it with Fuel-Cell bull.

Fool-cell sounds great, until you find out the “fuel” source will be converted methane Fracking, polluting the US water supply Coast-to-Coast, plus the release of Methane from fracking Just as Bad As Coal.

You have a fine memory for PR slogans.
Thank you for repeating them so often.

It certainly puts intelligent argument into its place.

Good comment DM. But in Mike’s propaganda you can find grains of truth. For example, 30% of methan gas from fracking is burned on site because many miners are interested only in oil. That is the fact fracking industry is silent about.

If the methane from fracking can be converted to Hydrorgen rather than burning, it will be a big win for all.

Sure it can. It can be captured even today but it requires additional piping and equipment. Many miners decide it is easier and cheaper to treat it as waist.

Global Warming has been consistently underestimated. The reality is the methane in the arctic is being released now, the methane bomb is going off now.

The only good carbon source is a dead carbon source.
We need to convert out of a carbon industry to supply energy yesterday.

We need action now to preserve our food supply.
Today it’s California farmers being wiped out, in the next decade it will be the mid-west. So the question is, as a society how many farms are we going to allow to go bankrupt from drought before we do something.

http://droughtmonitor.unl.edu

Or, are we going to wait for the Red State Farmers to go Bankrupt before we Act as a Nation to Solve Problems.
Are you willing to wipe out the farming communities in: SD, NE, KS, OK, CD and UT?

Doing nothing is Incompetent Government at it’s finest.

I find it unconscionable that we’ve already allowed Texas Farmers to take a beating many into bankruptcy, and Repubs did nothing.

We’re in far worse danger to allow any new source of carbon-methane to be implemented.

Sustained Global Warming Drought is depleting our Aquifers. Doing Nothing is the choice of the incompetent.

http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2014/10/31/3586561/global-groundwater-crisis/

Mike writes: “Fool-cell sounds great, until you find out the “fuel” source will be converted methane Fracking”

You’re assuming facts not in evidence, Mike. And one day Boy Wonder Elon Musk will regret bashing that which he obviously knows nothing about.

Observe: Honda opens new hydrogen filling station in Swindon

A solar-powered hydrogen production and filling station facility capable of producing 20 tonnes of hydrogen a year has been opened at Honda’s Swindon factory.
http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/industry/honda-opens-new-hydrogen-filling-station-swindon

The point is that using the solar power to charge electric vehicles and sending the rest to the grid to displace fossil fuel based energy generation would be much better.

EVs are much more efficient than FCEVs.

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater

H2 compressed is about 33kWh/kg, so 20,000kg of H2 would run about 660,000kWh, or equivalent of 20,000gal of gasoline. Call it 50,000 equivalent due to efficiencies.

How much gasoline does the average station sell in a week? In CA in 2012, 7748 stations sold 12.241 billion gallons of gasoline, which is about 1.6 million gallons per year per station, which is about 130000 gallons per month, or 32000 gallons a week. So, that station can create, in a year, as much fuel as the average gas station sells in about a week and a half.

How much did it cost to build? How much per GGE of H2 does it cost to buy the fuel, assuming you amortize the cost of the station across the useful life of the solar components for it?

Reality check: if H2 fueling is to be done in North America, it will be done by point reformulation of natural gas, because it’s cheaper to do and more logistically realistic thanks to a robust and mature CNG distribution infrastructure.

Great to see both BEV and FCEV products coming from the same company, for a real apples-to-apples comparison of the technology (ignoring the extra 20 feet of course – says something about FCEV packaging!)

This will allow us to see what the market chooses when presented with both options. FCEV might have better range, but I suspect the fueling infrastructure (including the full supply chain) costs and fueling costs will push the decisions towards BEV

What it more likely says is that the fuel cell bus can haul the extra pax weight for a reasonable distance, and the BEV bus can’t. Fuel cell cars are currently capable of providing far more range than comparably-sized BEVs, precisely because the fuel cells and H2 tanks take up less room (and weight) than batteries do. And the fuel cells also provide waste heat for cabin heating, so the range isn’t as affected in winter.

This is all theoritical for now.
Until the FCEV can provide solid proof of everything that some hope it will deliver, it remain to be seen.
Not that it won’t happen but obviously comparing somthing that exist to somthing that has to be is unproven.
We could also pretend a lot of “improvement” to come with BEV that will presumably be offer in a near future with many more advantage.
FCEV in my view it’s not as viable as many defender claimed it to be in transportation.
But I guess, there is strong intention to prove it deserve some try.
Not to mention, that hydrogen side have much deeper pocket than the, for now, prevalent option of BEV.
Just thing of all the money hydrogen is getting would make if pour in battery research.
Same old story here, keep the fat guy, fat.

Well, the article talked about clean technologies,

I put clean hydrogen and ‘clean diesel’ in the same basket, just as the press release did.

Except don’t ask any London Children about ‘Clean Diesel’.

The other stuff is too convoluted to try discussing here. I’m always too busy defending EVSE’s, let alone something a bit more opaque.