New Details Emerge On Volkswagen I.D. Hatch: 48-kWh Battery Or Bigger

SEP 24 2018 BY MARK KANE 104

Three battery versions of this Volkswagen electric are expected.

We are about a year away from the market launch of all-new new Volkswagen I.D. electric hatchback (in Europe, as North America will not get it). The German manufacturer is now apparently preparing to begin tests of pre-production versions at the Ehra-Lessien proving ground in eastern Germany.

According to the latest news, there are three battery/powertrain versions. The base will offer basic performance and some 330 km (205 miles) of WLTP range using about 48 kWh battery.

The price of cheapest I.D. is expected to be around £32,000 in UK ($42,000 or €35,700) or £27,500 after £4,500 Plug-In Car Grant.

The second version will get more battery capacity, for close to 450 km (280 miles) of range and more power.

The third version probably will offer the maximum of the MEB platform, which could be up to 600 km (373 miles) and even more power, but even rumors don’t contain numbers yet.

It’s also expected that there will be 7.2 kW or 11 kW on-board chargers, as well as 125 kW DC fast charging capability.

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The dollar price is nonsense as always. Multiply with 0.8 to obtain a US pricing equivalent.

Well, not exactly nonsense, since it’s the European price; and apparently it won’t be coming to US at all… But I agree that it’s not useful for comparison. (The correct adjustment would be dividing by 1.2, though.)

Take in account that European prices normally have taxes included.

He did. He even told me off for taking shortcuts in calculating the 100% from 120% after tax since I chose the lazy route in going with 80% from 100%. Which I think is alright since it is only approximately anyways.

lol…

Opposite since those prices include the VAT

Exactly. The VAT needs to be subtracted to make it comparable to US prices.

I wish VW would bring this car here to the US; it is far more appealing to me than the puffed up ID crozz they plan for us Americans (includes those north of the U.S. I presume).

Considering that it’s the successor of the e-Golf — which has abysmal sales in the US — and comparable to the likes of the Leaf — which doesn’t do terribly well either — I don’t think we can really fault them…

The regular Golf is a poor seller in the USA. GTi is popular, so I would expect the iD Gti to make it stateside.

GTI and Bolt EV sell in similar numbers in the US.

They sell a lot of Golfs here.

I agree, but sales of already available Bolt EV and Leaf show that it wouldn’t sell well here.

All non Tesla bev sales are for compliance…meaning they don’t want to build or sell more here…currently

I like Tesla but you’re overdosing on the Cool-Aid.

Nissan Leaf is no compliance car. Same hold true for the Volt.

You could bring it here. Just import it

?? Not if it’s not homologated with Federal authorities, AFAIK. VW isn’t a custom manufacturer where that works.

I agree with you, this would be an ideal size for most but I think VW feels this will take away the Mexican sourced Jetta and Golf models.

Seems foolish and ignorant not to sell in the U.S. I would definitely be interested in this vehicle. Not everyone wants a SUV.

It’s foolish that almost everyone seems to want a SUV. It’s not foolish for car makers to respond to the demand.

They create the demand with puffed up marketing.

It would need to be significantly lower than $30K for the low-range version.
Both the base TM3 and the Bolt would be making it a non-interesting offer otherwise.

The lowest-range version still seems to be better than 40 kWh Leaf (~$30,000); mid-range version seems to be closer to Bolt (~$37,000). So even at $30,000 entry price, the ID. would be competitive with the mid-lower range of EVs today… However, it won’t even be competing with the Bolt, since apparently it won’t be coming to the US at all.

Comparing it to Model 3 is tricky, since it’s a different shape. In Europe, the Model 3 is not necessarily at an advantage… Though the more powerful drive train and other premium aspects should still make it a pretty strong offer even here. Not so strong though as to push the ID. out of the market. (And certainly not if they indeed sell the ID. starting at 25,000 Euro including VAT.)

You’re right but remember they are almost 2 years from release. Nissan leaf and others will for sure advance too.

They are nearly exactly one year from release. The ID. will be out in late 2019.

I thought Nissan is less than 6 months from releasing the next gen…. Nissan Leaf will be out before the VW I.D.

Production will start in late 2019; sales in Q1 2020.

You don’t have air resistance in Europe? Chubby hatchbacks will pay a much higher price at the plug.

SUVs need need even more yet people buy them.

Better a hatchback than a SUV. Families need trunk room.

Sedans are a dying market. The only benefit of them is aerodynamics and performance. The latter is only really important to a small minority of people and both aerodynamics and performance are trumped by practicality

Hatchbacks are popular in Europe because they are practical and small. CUV’s are popular because for the same length and width they have more interior space. All important with smaller, narrower roads.

Like the Ioniq, right? That thing is basically a brick! Same as the Prius and the TMS (all Cd under 0.24). And the Toyota Auris, the Golf VII and the Mercedes B-class (all Cd under 0.27). No way you could ever have low drag with a hatchback 😉

Seriously though, the only reason why the TM3 isn’t a hatchback is because Elon didn’t want to break up the big rear window. It’s a shame, because that’s one of the biggest strikes against the car IMO. Also in Europe people are used to hatches and sedans are considered old man cars. Just sayin’.

The Model S is a “liftback sedan”, not a traditional hatchback.

The originally claimed 400 – 600 km figure was NEDC; while these new numbers are WLTP — so the top model will more likely come out at around 500 km.

With EPA figures even lower, that means both ends of the spectrum would be somewhat below the two Model 3 variants, but not too much. Sounds decent for an EV going on sale in early 2020 — but if the rumoured prices are true, nothing too exciting really…

I guess that explains why they are planning for a production of only 100,000 in 2020?

Good sign though that they are planning three power train variants. This indicates that they are serious about making these profitable, rather than just compliance cars…

Actually, I don’t see the point of 3 battery options, at least the first couple of years, rather than 2. The difference in range won’t be that large, and until the car model is selling in middle multi-100K units/year, having 3 SKUs is a disadvantage.

In Electrek they were quoting VW as : “who want a bigger motor will have to take a bigger battery”.
So each of the 3 versions will have a battery matched to the motor power avoiding to over-stress discharge rating of batteries – those bigger KWh sizes are not so much about longer range.

In electric car terms the battery is what provides power, a larger battery provides more power. The motors are likely identical to save costs, but produce more power with larger batteries. Tesla does this with their models.

As you say, larger kWh not only means more range, you get more power at the same time.

They are very unlikely going to be identical.

No, it’s a real possibility. I suspect it’s the case for the Kona EV.

I think having different ranges options is paramount. Many buy a car as a second car that never do more than 100 miles, others do long distance commuting, some might need long range.
Paying for batteries users don’t need is just a waste of resources.

I agree. It needs to be cheaper. With a significantly lower price it could be a hit in Europe.

600 kms NEDC are 300 real life. I don’t expect too much of this car.

And starting from 35.000 means that the longest range version will go up to 45.000€, minimum, with most basic interior.

400 km NEDC is 300 km real life meaning 600 NEDC is 450 real life

“only 100,000”? With 100,000 a year production, this will be the fastest first year production run for an electric vehicle in history. The Model 3, hasn’t produced 90,000 cars, in its first 1.5 years. And the Leaf is also not close to 100,000 per year yet.

I expect it to be significantly cheaper. VW has previously been talking about sub-25k EUR.

And if so, it would be very welcome. The best selling cars in Europe are cheap. A cheap but decent quality and range EV would be much more useful to add to the mix in 2020 than, say, something priced like a Kona but offering even more range.

Less than €25,000.-
(price in Germany)

Maybe 25,000 Euro in Germany with incentives, i.e. 29,000 Euro base price? I think that would be a very reasonable price for what it is…

25,000 before incentives sounds unlikely. That would be a major breakthrough — and VW is not exactly the cheapest of brands in general…

The current incentive program ends in 2019.

€25,000 is without incentives.

Yes, VW seems to be serious about EV’s.

VW wants to grab a substantial marketshare of EV sales (during the next decade).

Global EV production in 2025: 3 million EV’s.

But not much coming in the current decade.

I thought the incentive program was capped by total amount rather than by date?…

According to the source article, they are planning only 100,000 sales in 2020, and 1,000,000 across *all* I.D. models in 2025. (The 3 millions figure is across the entire VW family.) I don’t see how they could be planning such low volumes with such aggressive pricing… It just doesn’t add up.

3 million in 2025 isn’t “such a low volume” – it’s over a quarter of their total output today.

But if full autonomy happens very soon, tota the total number of cars produced should plummet quickly, so by 2025 3 million could be a much bigger share of production than it is today.

I don’t see total number of cars plummeting significantly because of autonomy.

The 2025 goals are not bad — but the 2020 ones really sound strange low to me…

Upon further consideration, 150,000 MEB vehicles in 2020, plus some others from Audi and Porsche, should peg the BEV share across the VW group at some 2% in 2020. Both that, and the 25% goal in 2025, would likely put them in the middle of the pack, not in any sort of leadership position…

Considering the ambitions they claim, and the aggressive pricing that should put them ahead of most competitors, these production numbers really seem way conservative.

See also: https://youtu.be/VU5GnmF7mXk (Transport Evolved – “VW says first I.D. will cost less than €25,000”)

The price of cheapest I.D. is expected to be a little less than €25,000.- (in Germany).

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Im ersten Quartal 2020 soll er bei VW-Händlern sein, gleich in größeren Stückzahlen. Und Ulbrich verspricht “ein bisher unerreichtes Preis-Leistungs-Verhältnis”. Der Basispreis dürfte eine Sensation sein, denn VW plant einen Einstieg bei knapp unter 25.000 Euro, haben wir jetzt gehört.
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Thomas Ulbrich
Der 51-Jährige treibt die ID.-Reihe als E-Mobilitäts-Vorstand voran.

Battery pack: 48 kWh
Range: 330 km WLTP

This would then be the benchmark of practical and affordable EV’s (in Europe).

Right you are. Oh and another thing. The golf is a very fine car in terms of materials and build. It’s certainly no Zoe. So this would be perfect.

URL?

Wow, that contains a *ton* of interesting info 🙂 On top of some bits that have already been mentioned elsewhere, there is enough stuff here for like five additional articles… * The “first wave” of 10,000,000 EVs spans 2020 – 2026. (Apparently for MEB only, not including the separate Audi/Porsche platforms? Not entirely clear. Would make sense though, since about six years is the typical life time of a platform AFAIK…) * The first plant (Zwickau) is to make 1,500 EVs a day by spring 2022. (That apparently translates to ~300,000 a year, which is that plant’s current combustion car capacity.) The first line will be converted in 2019, and the second line in 2020. * The ID. will start production in November 2019, and will hit the showrooms in Q1 2020. Apparently there will also be a variant under the SEAT brand almost from the beginning. * The ID. will be a tick shorter than the Golf, but will offer quite a bit more interior space due to longer wheelbase. (As every properly designed EV should 🙂 ) * The battery will be 1.30 m long, 1.40 m wide, and 0.14 m high. * Steel body. * 125 kw… Read more »

The article doesn’t mention anything about the VAT.

It actually wouldn’t make sense to mention a price without VAT in an article that will be read by people who are the buyers of this car and will have to pay a price that includes VAT anyway.

Therefore, I think that the VAT is included in the €25,000.-

And that would certainly be the benchmark for an affordable EV.

It’s a big step in the right direction. But there’s nothing magical about 25k. Check the best seller list in Europe and see what the French and Spanish and Italians pay for the most popular cars there… it’s closer to €15k than 25.

I did some math based on the graphic with the charging times. Assuming the charge speed doesn’t taper significantly at 11 kW, 8 h to full means 88 kWh of usable capacity. A little under half an hour to 45% of 88 kWh on DCFC means an average charging speed of about 95 kW up to at least 45%! Not bad. Assuming a consumption of about 150 Wh/km, that means a gain of over 10 km/min!

600 km/h charging speed is not bad. For comparison, Kona currently manages 430 km/h for the 0-80% job. Model 3 on a supercharger should be well above 600, maybe not 0-80%, but with optimized charging (say, 15%-65%).

Get over it. Dieselgate is the best thing to happen for the rEVolution.

Nobody cares. They just want affordable and clean transportation. Whichever automaker provides it, people will buy it.

(⌐■_■) Trollnonymous

Right, let’s reward “Bad Behavior”……….LMAO.

Even the cheating diesel engines had CO2 emissions WAY lower then the US average for cars. Some people drive around in huge cars, powered with a thirsty gasoline engine, and maybe even an engine with gasoline direct injection (particles) – and think they are borderline treehuggers, as long as it’s not a diesel engine.. Global warming comes from CO2, and not NOx. Stupid move by VW though. They were probably too cheap to fit an add blue system to the models, and did not want to increase fuel consumption and/or loose power. Nitrogen oxides can be cleaned from the diesel exhaust but they have to pay for the extra equipment. On a bus or a large truck, they can fit the best – and it would still only affect the over all price of the vehicle by a small percentage. Emissions standards will globally be stricter (no matter what Trump want), and all car manufacturers will have to adapt. The best thing about this scandal was to see how almost all brands was breaking the rules and get a focus on emissions and emission testing by different organizations. With strickter testing, and tests done be more people will make sure… Read more »

The problem with diesel is the effect it has on air quality, which kills thousands of people.

yeah, the ignorant and dumb will continue to reward VW for their cheating an lying by giving them their money.

VW shouldn’t be able to capitolize on their punishment by being allowed to use the EA network.

What dipsh1t politician allowed this?

The global human health impact of the diesel emissions scandal has been revealed by new research showing a minimum of 38,000 people a year die early due to the failure of diesel vehicles to meet official limits in real driving conditions.

“Get over it. Dieselgate is the best thing to happen for the rEVolution.”

I guess the ends justify the means. But VW = Dirty Filthy Lying CHEATS!

some idiot morons don’t care. just look at cypres’s comment. no brains.

How many people die prematurely due to :
– bad driving causing more fuel consumption,
– using cars even when it’s unnecessary,
– not doing proper maintenance,
– buying or altering cars with far more powerful engine than needed,
– not changing cars frequently enough ?

VW cheated and it had consequences but I don’t think it’s the primary health reason for premature death due to the car industry.

The air quality impact also affects pedestrians who have no choice

I know, I am one of them. But I don’t understand why is it relevant to my post.

Should bring it to North America.

If there is enough demand, they should do it.
I thinkt the size is so popular in Europe, they will have problems making enough. With the cheap prize, more people will buy EVs too.

This isn’t the value proposition for everybody. It looks like competition for the bottom half of the Model 3 portfolio.

If it’s really the size of the Golf but with more interior space, it will please a lot of people in Europe. As the Golf is still the number one seller here. By far.

Lots of people in Europe & elsewhere would never, ever consider a car without a hatchback. I’m not in Europe and that by itself is a showstopper for me a.f.a. the Model 3 is concerned. I can only own one vehicle, live in a crowded urban environment, and the Model 3’s space efficiency is really bad (interior passenger/cargo space vs. external dimensions) due to that reason alone — there’s no decent carrying capacity or ability to trade off passenger space for it, and the frunk is a bad solution.

Amen. And if they make an ID wagon then I might just lose my $#it.

So at some point in the future, VW is promising to bring you what Tesla made available 5 years ago. LOL.

And damn it, can you please give us the rating system used to come up with those range numbers?

So?? Tesla sold a $30,000 car five years ago…
Awesome…. Where can I get one??

(⌐■_■) Trollnonymous

Wow, there’s a US price tag on the VW already? Please send us all a link to that order page.

where did he mention price?
you’re one of those troll jackoffs that puts or twists words in other peoples mouths.

Yes, the $35k car Tesla also promised long years ago :).

just like the cheater vw promises ev’s years from now.

The numbers are in wltp range though. Multi with a factor of about 0,8 to get EPA. 48 kWh battery at 55 mph will probably result in a range of about 205 miles though. So driving fairly slow will get you that range.

This other website seems to think the I.D. hatchback is coming to North America. https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1118942_will-volkswagens-electric-microbus-be-made-in-the-usa

Didn’t VW say the ID will be less than current eGolf? Did they forgot the eGolf is $30.5 or it was just another lie?
That’s the only car I would buy from VW…so i guess I won’t be a VW customer since I’m in US.

more lies from vw of course.

This is just like with the etron quattro. This site also said it would be $95.0 when it was $75.0. The ID. hatchback would be around $25.0 if it were to come to the US but it isn’t.

They didn’t mention any source for that, though… I suspect they just got confused.

I couldn’t find a source for this article, either.

Perfect! Now if they can produce a wagon body style and make it super slippery (say Cd of 0.25 or better) even the base version will be an awesome all-round car for longer trips! 125kW is nice, but paired with a low drag coefficient it’d be unbeatable. Or at least competitive with the TM3, but without the ultra-minimalist interior.

In comparison with Kia Niro or Hyundai Kona Ev Volkswagen I.D. is dead on arrival.

IDs were supposed to match Golf diesel prices. This is clearly not the case. Much more expensive. Should be 29k Euros inc. VAT to be really attractive.

So sub 25k is not attractive to you??

The article states 35k€. That’s how much the Ioniq currently costs where I live.

No idea where sub 25k comes from. Considering the longer range and the brand, I’d be very surprised if the VW was 10k cheaper than the Hyundai.

Does anyone know if the ID hatch will be sold inCanada? I think ourcarmarket is somewhat more”European” than the US market . I’d love to see the ID hatch here. 48 kWh wouldbejustfinefor me.