New 2018 Nissan LEAF Caught In Public – Spyshots

3 months ago by Jay Cole 126

Oh, we know what is under there Nissan (via InsideEVs reader Darren T)

Nissan is trying its darndest to keep its new 2018 Nissan LEAFs under-wraps, while at the same time attempting to also slowly release small teaser images of its upcoming 2nd generation EV (see that gallery below), we here at InsideEVs just keep spotting it in the wild, and revealing it to the world.

This time however, it was actually InsideEVs’ reader Darren T who keenly spotted the new LEAF testing in Orlando, Florida.

2018 Nissan LEAF getting a boost in Orlando Florida (via InsideEVs reader Darren T)

Thankfully Darren not only passed the shots along for us to share, but attempted to talk to a couple less-than-thrilled Nissan mule testers, and shared some of this thoughts after seeing the 2018 LEAF up close.

2018 Nissan LEAF breaking cover (via InsideEVs reader Darren T)

“I came across the car at a public charging station here in Orlando, Fl where my Volt was parked. I first noticed the car under a locked cover plugged into the CHAdeMO charger completely unattended.

After a few moments, I spotted 2 gentlemen approach the car, unlock the cover, unplug the car and quickly get in. I attempted to make conversation but it seems they were not interested which is understandable.

Based on the charging stats, I believe the car has a 50-60 kWh battery. As a side note, the gen2 car seems rather large compared to the gen1 car, I believe the wheelbase is about 10-12″ longer. Let me know if you have any questions or concerns.”

2018 Nissan LEAF making its getaway (via InsideEVs reader Darren T)

Our thanks go out to Darren for his sharp eye, and thinking quickly getting some fine shots!

Officially, the 2018 LEAF  is scheduled to make its debut (sans camo) on September 5th at a special event in Tokyo.  Production in the US starts in early December.

Gallery (below): More photos of the 2018 Nissan LEAF mule in Orlando, Florida (click to enlarge)

Gallery (below): Official Nissan teasers for the 2018 Nissan LEAF (click to enlarge)

Gallery (below): Some past shots we have managed to get of the Nissan LEAF – including one of the interior (click to enlarge)

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126 responses to "New 2018 Nissan LEAF Caught In Public – Spyshots"

  1. Fred says:

    Wonder if there’s still no battery thermal management system.
    Why is the car in Florida in the summer. With a cover on, quick charging. Seems that the battery would heat up. Walking by the charging car you could probably tell if it did have TMS, should be able to hear fans running. But it likely doesn’t knowing Nissan.

    1. Mark.ca says:

      The cover is to hide the design not to protect from heat.

      1. needa says:

        I think he is saying the cover would hold the heat in.

      2. Gérard says:

        Sorry but I prefer the first model génération the head lights are nicer.

        1. Anton says:

          I agree. I like the design of the current Leaf.

    2. CLIVE says:

      Why don’t you just wait before you get you get ahead of yourself.

    3. Gazz says:

      No active thermal management. Nissan have ruled it out.

  2. Scott says:

    Pretty sure I saw one of these on Phoenix this morning. Sorry no auto pilot on the i3…

    1. Mad says:

      Probably testing weather the heat kills the battery or not.

      1. CLIVE says:

        Probably having lunch

  3. Kdawg says:

    Is it just me, or does this look a lot like a Ford Focus Hatchback?

    1. Alan says:

      I said this on here about 3 months ago !

    2. Jacked Beanstalk says:

      It’s just you.

      1. Kdawg says:

        Apparently not (see above)

    3. Unplugged says:

      Nope. The Focus hatch looks much better.

      1. William says:

        I am afraid you are absolutely right. Hope when the wraps are off you are less right!

      2. Ziv says:

        The Focus hatch is an attractive car. Not great, but good. I wish the Bolt had taken some design cues from the Ford Focus RS.

    4. Taser54 says:

      I’d say really close to the chevy cruze hatchback.

  4. scott franco says:

    The swirling whorls… I am so confused… Walk towards the light…..

    1. Assaf says:

      +1

      what’s the story with the psychadelics?

      1. ffbj says:

        They affect your spelling, is what I read.

        1. georges says:

          LOL Assaf,
          your busted:)

          1. needa says:

            You on em too?

        2. William says:

          Nice!😶

    2. Martin Winlow says:

      Rather than an attempt at making it more difficult to see the cars lines, Nisan might as well stick a big sign on the roof saying ” NEW LEAF – THIS IS THE NEW LEAF! HEY!! OVER HERE!!- THE NEW LEAF!!! ARE YOU BLIND?!” (if they could get all that in).

  5. Mark.ca says:

    This looks like a winner from Nissan in terms of design, i really hope they don’t mess it up with the battery configuration.

  6. georgeS says:

    Acid flash back:)

  7. vdiv says:

    Good catch Darren! 🙂

  8. DJ says:

    Looking good. Here is to hoping their batteries are better as otherwise the pic of them parked out front of “Reliable Plaza” could result in a lot of memes 🙂

  9. Delta says:

    By the time they start producing these Leaf 2.0 – there will already be 15,000 Model 3’s sold and on the road – and getting all the attention.

    Seems they will be much too little – too late – to get any kind of public reaction – unless the price is much lower than model 3.

    1. Mark.ca says:

      That’s just bs…you have to be very naive to believe that Tesla will be the only ev sold on the market. This car will have many customers just as the previous model did.

    2. Jacked Beanstalk says:

      Impossible to make such a prediction without knowing the Leaf’s price. And of course the Model 3 isn’t a taller hatchback. Sedans are less practical for some people.

      1. Davek says:

        Indeed. Sedans are for old men. How am I going to get a bike into the TM3?

        Now give me a wagon and we have a deal, Nissan.

        1. Terry says:

          I pack a large Ellsworth Evolution 29er mountain bike with the front wheel off in my LEAF. One of the many pleasent discoveries about owning a LEAF.😁

          1. Deven Aaron Foskey says:

            I can fit a stack of pallets flat across the back of my iMiEV. Two 6’er kayaks.. I get around.

            P.S. °□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

            WHEN WAS THIS?! I work in that area!!!

        2. jmk says:

          You use the trailer hitch. I have a hook that attaches to the hitch and works perfectly.

    3. ffbj says:

      I think you are correct to point this out, as a number have. The new Leaf will already seem behind the times to the M3. Still I think they will sell, just not as many.

    4. Nada says:

      Too little?? By all means please tell us the specs for the new Leaf and what it will cost…

      Too late?? I love Tesla but I dont beleive they will roll out all they want too this year… and by all means please tell us Nissans launch strategy and its production date…

    5. menorman says:

      Pretty sure someone will still be able to get a Leaf 2.0 faster than a TM3 at that point and probably with more features too. Then there are plenty people who may want an EV, but have no interest in owning a Tesla.

      1. William says:

        Some people that don’t want to own a Tesla, are among the car buyers that want only a hatchback. Until Tesla actually has the Model Y available for test drive and lease/purchase, the affordable hatchback segment of EV car shoppers, are going to pass up on anything Tesla has to offer up to that point (approx. 2020?).

        1. WaitingForEVHotHatch says:

          The model y, will most likely be more expensive than the Tesla Model 3. So if $35k is not affordable (which it isn’t), the the model y will not for the definition of affordable either.

    6. needa says:

      Ermm. You forgot about one small thing. There will not be a two year waiting list for the Leaf.

    7. John says:

      Tesla 3 is not a hatchback

    8. sveno says:

      Your assumption is correct, but only in the US!

      Leaf will have a worldwide head start that will probably last at least until the end of the next year.

  10. Jacked Beanstalk says:

    Looks like the Bolt may have some competition! If it has a liquid-cooled battery then it probably will outsell the Bolt, no matter which is the better car. My money is on the Bolt being a little better, possibly roomier. Will be interesting to see if Nissan goes for a sportier Leaf in regards to acceleration and handling.

    1. menorman says:

      +1

      Especially if they are able to price it below the Bolt.

    2. John says:

      No, old Leaf is already roomier than Bolt, especially the driving seat much better cushioned and wider.

      1. theflew says:

        The rear seats of the Leaf V1 along with rear headroom are not great. Hopefully the Leaf 2.0 will have some more pep to it.

      2. unlucky says:

        I’ve had both cars. No, the LEAF is not roomier than the Bolt. It’s wider. It has a larger trunk.

        But the Bolt has more legroom front and back. For 4 people the Bolt is a lot more comfortable. For 5 the lack of width in the rear seat becomes significant and so the LEAF is more comfortable for those 3 in the back.

        1. Herby says:

          Sounds like the leaf is roomier.

          1. John Ray says:

            I know, right.

  11. peetah says:

    looks toyota matrix-ish…

    still when we see it in the flesh it will guaranteed be 100 times better than Leaf 1.0

  12. ffbj says:

    I read somewhere that there will be no active heat management, which I found hard to believe that Nissan would not remedy that shortcoming, but I imagine it was a bean-counter decision not to use one.

    1. Mister G says:

      Yes big mistake, my 2016 leaf SV with 21500 miles has lost 2 bars and now tops off at 87 miles. And I’m in central Florida.

      1. ffbj says:

        True. They do much worse in the wet heat.
        If I were to try and imagine why they did not use active cooling, I think Nissan made the decision since most cars are sold in the temperate zone they would not require ac for their packs, also savings in cost and weight.

        There probably were engineers that knew this was wrong but in Japan you don’t rock the boat of the corporate command structure.

      2. Joe says:

        This is the single reason I will never by another Nissan. I live in the Central Valley of California where it routinely goes over 100 degrees in the summers. My Leaf also lost 2 bars around the 24,000 mile mark. Nissan corporate would not make it right for me and allow a warranty claim for a new battery. If they are making a calculated decision that there aren’t enough owners in the hot climates to justify the extra cost on thermally managing the battery then the least they could do would be to replace the batteries on those cars that do lose capacity prematurely.

        If Nissan indeed chose not to thermally manage the battery in this new car they will piss off a whole new batch of EV buyers, damage their reputation further and ensure they will never be more than a niche player in the EV market.

        1. Asak says:

          I’m also not a buyer unless the pack has active cooling, and/or there is 5 years of evidence that having an air cooled pack doesn’t result in excessive loss of battery capacity. I have a used Leaf and it seems like it’s holding up alright, but I’m not that concerned either way since I only paid $7500 for it.

  13. Brian S says:

    As a current Leaf owner, family man, and a Tesla model 3 reservation holder, what I am most interested to hear about is the change in dimensions. Are there are other reports to confirm or deny the increase in the length of the car?

    If they have stretched the Leaf to allow more passenger and cargo room, that might sway me to add a new one instead of the model 3.

    I need a family road trip vehicle which means more cargo space that the Leaf v1 and much much longer range (at least 200). Getting rid of the fake engine compartment up front & sketching passenger compartment or a Tesla-like frunk would do it. Which company will deliver?

    1. ffbj says:

      It’s 10-12″ longer, according to the article above. Also in their retain customer program, some goodies:
      “To give Leaf drivers more incentive to stay in the fold, Nissan is offering easy lease extensions for those with leases expiring in 2017—for a year in some cases, or until taking delivery of a new 2018 Leaf—and a chance to waive three monthly payments. This extension is risk-free. Maragno says they’re only asking that lessees hold on to the car until the premiere; then, after they’ve had a chance to see the new one, if they still want to turn in an older Leaf and take their business elsewhere, they can. Existing Leaf lessees may also purchase their cars at a reduced price; Nissan will treat it as a certified pre-owned (CPO) vehicle, which extends the limited warranty and roadside assistance.” autoinsider

      1. AlanSqB says:

        Yes. It was really nice of Nissan to extend my Leaf lease until my Model 3 is ready. 🙂

        1. ffbj says:

          Nice Burn!

        2. William says:

          Carlos got you to “take the bait”, before he retired from Nissan, but Elon made you spit out the hook!

          1. Tom says:

            I know….the devil he is. How dare he give away free stuff with no strings attached. Monster.

      2. Joe says:

        Little gimmicks with extending leases will not stem the tide of owners that will flock to the Model 3, the only road trip worthy EV on the market. If they were serious about retaining customers they would have engineered a longer lasting battery and started work on a 100kW+ DC fast charing network.

        So far Tesla is the only company that seems to understand that engineering a superior product is the best way to generate demand.

    2. unlucky says:

      The car doesn’t look 10-12″ longer than the previous model in those pictures.

      1. vijay says:

        If you measure the height of the car in the picture(same as Leaf V1 – 61″) & compare it to the distance between the wheelbase it is longer in this version about 10″

        1. Gasbag says:

          This is what I compared it with. I didn’t find much difference.

        2. John Ray says:

          I think the new car is supposed to be lower and wider, so your ratios may be off a little.

      2. Gasbag says:

        When reading I thought it did look longer but then I tried comparing ratios of height and length and wheel base from the side view with those of the current version. It doesn’t look like there are any appreciable changes.

        1. unlucky says:

          Yeah, it doesn’t look any different to me. The outline barely changes.

          Although my observations are surely biased by my own belief that making a 10-12″ longer LEAF would be a dumb idea.

          If they want to add some space to the LEAF, using a different platform would be the right thing, not just adding more length to this shape.

          1. Tom says:

            Wouldn’t 2.0 be a different platform that 1.0 already?

            1. unlucky says:

              It depends on who you ask.

              I don’t mean how marketing declares the LEAF to not be on the Versa platform.

              I mean a platform which is suited for the larger size. You don’t see cars which are the shape of a LEAF but are almost two size classes up (which is what adding 12″ is).

              If you make the vehicle 10″ longer you’d make it more of a sedan/wagon shape or a crossover.

              Think of the largest upright hatch on the US market. Or even some other world markets. It’s probably already the size of the LEAF. So how the LEAF is going to be 12″ longer? It would be only 3″ shorter than a Honda Accord! It would be 20″ longer than a GTI.

              The only hatches anywhere near as long as it would be coupe-looking hatches. And most of those don’t line up well. It would be 6″ longer than a Volt. It would be 10″ longer than a Focus. It would be 12″ longer than an Audi A3 (wagon). It would be 3″ shorter than a Solara or Pontiac GTO (mid-2000s version). It would be noticeably shorter than a Model S or a Panamara though.

              It would be 6″ longer than a BMW X3. 5″ shorter than a BMW X5.

              It would be very odd to see an upright hatch that large. It would stick out like a sore thumb.

    3. Scott says:

      “Getting rid of the fake engine compartment up front”

      Assuming they stick with a front wheel drive platform (or e-4wd), there will not be a frunk.

      While there is no engine, the compartment under the bonnet is full of stuff… Motor, fixed ratio gearbox, Motor inverter, charger, 12v battery, power breaking and stearing gear, heat pump / Air Con, cooling system.

      Without going to a custom RWD platform, you can’t get rid of most of that stuff…

      1. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

        “…power breaking and stearing gear…”

        Pushy’s Grammar Nazi head says:

        That’s braking and steering. Thank you.

        1. Asak says:

          Au contraire! He was clearly talking about the Texan version of the Leaf. It comes fully equipped with a leather saddle instead of a driver’s seat!

  14. ModernMarvelFan says:

    It doesn’t look all that different from the existing LEAF in terms of overall dimensions. But the rear end does seem to look a bit better.

    Can’t tell if it is better looking than the Bolt.

  15. Michael B says:

    Good Job on the photos. Too bad so many elements look like an old LEAF

  16. Chacama says:

    HC! Range should be around 250 miles!. The same car (and drivers) were spotted yesterday recharging in Anderson SC. That’s close to 500 mi from Orlando, which will equate to a 65kw pack (55kw-57kw usable) which in turn allows us to deduct an msrp around $27k – $30k at near current kw cost and after a 35% markup… Sweet!

  17. Leaf385km says:

    385 km range, save this comment.

    1. Mikael says:

      On NEDC? 😉

    2. William says:

      239.2 mi. Range, is barely Bolt beating. More miles, possibly a lower cost, and Nissan looks! 2018 Leaf 2.0 is a hands down, 3 – way EV winner!

  18. John says:

    I am most concerned about battery cooling. Is it going to be liquid cooled?

    1. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

      That’s the $64,000 question.

      Hard to believe the Leaf 2.0 still won’t have an active battery cooling system. But then, hard to believe Nissan would keep making the Leaf for 6 years without adding one, so maybe they won’t.

      1. ffbj says:

        There is no maybe about an active thermal management system. In the comments above alone people have said there won’t be one. For months people in the field have been saying the same thing.
        If you wish to present yourself as an authority you should at least be able to report the already answered questions on a particular subject.

        1. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

          “If you wish to present yourself as an authority you should at least be able to report the already answered questions on a particular subject.”

          (a) Correcting bad memes when I see them doesn’t make me an “authority”. It just means I care more about factual accuracy than some. It certainly doesn’t mean I’m always right, and I am glad when others take the trouble to correct me when I’m wrong.

          (b) I know what has been reported regarding the Leaf 2.0 not having an active battery cooling system. However, I don’t know that any of those reports are official. Are they? I also know that what is reported — especially about cars which are not yet being sold — isn’t always true, even when it is official*, and I can hope just like anyone else.

          *Remember GM claiming the Volt 1.0’s range extender works as a pure serial hybrid, with the gas motor never providing mechanical power directly to the power train? That was “official”… and not true.

    2. John C says:

      I don’t see the need to backseat engineer this one.

      If Nissan engineering can meet their durability specs and use cases without active cooling so be it.

      I know the 2010 was a debacle. But the Gen1s since 2013 seem to be holding to a warranty. If the durability is there w/o active cooling then I get higher pack density and one less thing to break.

      1. Confused says:

        My 2013 is down to 9 bars. Compare this to other EVs like the Tesla and this is a huge fail.

        1. William says:

          My 2013 SV (6/13 in service date) dropped its first bar last month at 44k miles. That is an average of 11k miles per year with less than 4% annual battery degradation. The newer 2016-17 Leafs, with 30 kWh batteries are showing even less than 2% annual battery degradation.

          Nissan has at least doubled their 30 kWh Lizard chemistry performance from previous years (2011-14/15) degradation.

          1. ModernMarvelFan says:

            Only time will tell.

            What is your climate condition?

          2. Mister G says:

            Not in central Florida weather, my 2016 leaf SV dropped second bar around 19000 miles, not good.

        2. sveno says:

          There are 2 other important factors here:

          1. The smaller Leaf battery has far more cycles on it for the same distance.

          2. It is known that the NMC chemistry from AESC is inferior to NCA that Tesla uses. However it is not know what (LG?) cells Leaf 2 uses.

          At this stage I am willing to bet that M3 battery has a longer life than Leaf 2 but I won’t say that the Leaf 2 pack is definitely garbage whether it has active cooling or not.

      2. unlucky says:

        No thanks. Even if the pack isn’t going to eat it, not having liquid cooling means that DC charging heats up the pack. This reduces efficiency slightly and wears the pack but more importantly means if you DC charge again in the next day it will go slower. And the one after that slower again. And if you DC charge on a hot day it is slower.

        If you’re going to DC charge you need liquid cooling to manage the heat it produces and prevent downsides.

        1. unlucky says:

          Where I said next day I meant same day.

        2. SparkEV says:

          When I drive long uphill on a hot day (90F+) and using about 40 kW, I see battery conditioning taking 1%, 2%, all the way to 4% in really hot weather (100F+). Without active cooling, even driving in hills will cause rapid battery wear in moderate (90F) temperature.

          People who claim “since my car this and that” do not consider the generalized case: it can get really hot in battery box when it’s pumping out 40kW+ and sustained uphill driving will cause that.

      3. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

        “I know the 2010 was a debacle. But the Gen1s since 2013 seem to be holding to a warranty.”

        From reports, it seems that Nissan made some improvements to battery pack functionality with MY 2013, and made the “lizard battery” chemistry standard starting in MY 2015.

        But premature battery fade is still being reported, just not as frequently and perhaps not as severely when it does occur.

        In my opinion, the consensus appears to be that the problem has not actually been solved, merely reduced.

  19. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

    “Nissan is trying its darndest to keep its new 2018 Nissan LEAFs under-wraps…”

    Hmmm, I think if Nissan really wanted to keep its Leaf 2.0 under wraps, they could have restricted pre-production unit testing to a closed testing facility, like Tesla did with the Model 3.

    Of course I don’t know, but my suspicion is that Nissan wants “spy shots” to leak out, to start building media “buzz” over the next-gen Leaf.

    1. BillT says:

      I think they are trying to walk the very fine line between not Osbourning the Gen1 and not having Gen2 get lost in the buzz surrounding the M3. I think if the Leaf is aggressively priced and offers better utility than the Bolt it could do well. I am among the skeptics of air cooled batteries though.

      1. Asak says:

        Personally I hope the Leaf encourages GM to drop the price of the Bolt.

    2. Confused says:

      Or they are testing in the real world with real world conditions like most manufacturers. It is hard to find unexpected issues if you do not test in the real world. You tend to only find what you are looking for when you test in a lab.

      1. rpm92109 says:

        ‘Or they are testing in the real world with real world conditions like most manufacturers. It is hard to find unexpected issues if you do not test in the real world. You tend to only find what you are looking for when you test in a lab.’

        Indeed, especially to test all types of chargers with the latest software and hardware setup

  20. John Ford says:

    Which ICE car in Nissan lineup is the Leaf intended to compete with? If you can’t give a coherent answer then it is a compliance car only.

    The current leaf starts at about the same base price as a pathfinder. The Model 3 will start at the same price as a BMW 3 series and is intended to steal that business away from the market leader. What is Nissan trying to steal with the Leaf?

    1. Andrew S says:

      That is a nonsense argument. What model in the Toyota lineup is the Prius meant to compete against? What about the Honda Insight in the Honda lineup? Chevy Volt in the Chevy Linup? Hyundai Ioniq in the Hyundai Lineup?

    2. John Ray says:

      What a ridiculous thing to say. Why does a car have to replace a stablemate in order not to be a compliance car? Some might call that product diversification.

      1. Ziv says:

        I have heard so many different, and evolving, definitions of “compliance car” over the past 7 years that I can’t keep up with the definition du jour.
        This Leaf doesn’t look that much bigger than the Gen I Leaf, and if the back seats aren’t roomier, then it isn’t a car I would replace my Volt with. I have spent 4 years with a compact car with compact rear seats, I want my next car to be able to seat 4 adults comfortably.

      2. John Ford says:

        Perhaps I framed it the wrong way. What competitor car is the Leaf intended to best? A Toyota Prius? Honda Civic hybrid? It costs a good deal more than either of those cars. The only reason people buy it is because it’s electric and there are incentives to do so in some states. It does not and can not complete directly with ICE cars on a level playing field. Tesla is the only car company directly competing with the best ICE cars, and winning. The Volt/Bolt are compliance cars, period. Leaf is the same. Sorry you don’t like that fact. EV’s will disrupt the car market, but only Tesla is showing the way forward. Mercedes and VW do appear to be serious in their efforts, but have nothing to show yet. We shall see.

        1. Andrew S says:

          hahahahahhahahahahahahah hahah haha ha ahhhh … NO

        2. Ziv says:

          Both the Volt and the Bolt pull a lot of conquest buyers from the Prius, from which they are a real step up in performance and style. The Volt is just a fun car to drive.
          I have to laugh when people claim that a car model that has sold 120,000+ vehicles over the past 6 years is a compliance car. That is better than half the models on the market in the US, over the same time period.

          1. John Ford says:

            120K cars in 6 years is 20K a year. Almost the definition of a compliance car. During that same time Nissan sold 1 million Sentras. In fact Nissan sells more Sentras each year than the total number of leafs ever produced.

            1. Ziv says:

              I can’t take the time to find numbers for the last 6 years in total, but for all of last year there were 299 car models sold in the US, and the Volt ranked at 144th out of 299. And you think it is a compliance car?

              Volt sales have never taken off, in part due to price and its relatively small backseats, but it outsells half the car models being sold in the US. In what world would a car model smack in the middle of the production pack be a compliance car?

              http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2017/01/usa-2016-vehicle-sales-by-model-manufacturer-brand.html

        3. John Ray says:

          Compliance=CARB. The Leaf is sold worldwide. This is just more pro-Tesla FUD.

          1. John Ford says:

            Listen man, like the leaf if you want to. I’m just saying that only environmentalists buy it, and even then only in government incentivized markets. Take away the subsidy and the sales plummet (Denmark)
            Only Teslas appeal to non greens as well as greens. That is why I have a Model 3 reservation even though I don’t subscribe to CAGW theory. I’ll get excited about the Leaf when they aim to take out the Honda Civic with it. Until then, meh

            1. Andrew S says:

              Dude, seriously, you’re as bad as the right-wing fox-and-friends-addicted republican base – facts don’t matter to you. Elon’s mission with Tesla was to kickstart the advent of modern electric vehicles. The Volt and LEAF exist because the c-suite of GM and Renault Nissan saw what Tesla did with the roadster and said to themselves, “if a startup out of California can put out a product like this, we sure as hell can.”

              Elon should be proud of what he has started. The Volt is not a compliance car, it is available in all 50 states and has outsold the Model S for 4 of the last 6 months. The LEAF not a compliance car, it is the best-selling EV worldwide. A compliance car is one sold only in CARB states in limited numbers – most of the time being lease only. Any other definition is an “alternative fact.”

              1. John Ford says:

                It’s guys like you that make me question my day one (10am) model 3 reservation.

                Thanks for the ad hominem attacks bro. They are always a sign of a non critical thinker who is confronted inconvenient facts.
                Electric cars are going to happen. Because Tesla has shown that they can be MORE exciting and cost competitive with ICE cars. Not because you and your authoritarian buddies will cram Leafs down our throats using mandates and incentives.
                In the end, you will get what you want and so will I.

                John

    3. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

      “Which ICE car in Nissan lineup is the Leaf intended to compete with? If you can’t give a coherent answer then it is a compliance car only.”

      Do you realize that by your definition, all of Tesla’s cars are “compliance cars”?

      I find it amazing how so many EV advocates want to define “compliance car” so broadly that all, or at least nearly all, PEVs (Plug-in EVs) fit the definition.

      Is a PEV designed and built with the intention of making a profit, or at least designed and built to not lose money on a per-unit basis? Is the auto maker selling a significant percentage (let’s say, >5%) of the cars outside CARB States? Is the car selling at least ~5000 per year on the international market?

      If the answer to at least 2 out of 3 of these questions is “Yes”, then it seems rather biased and mean-spirited to try to paste the “compliance car” label onto the model.

  21. leafowner says:

    not a Tesla….

    1. CLIVE says:

      Yes you’d have to change your name

    2. John Ray says:

      Amen to that.

  22. Someone out there says:

    It looks like a winner!

  23. Chris says:

    It looks like a Nissan Versa or Honda Fit.

  24. Tom says:

    Longer means more rear leg room and more in the hatch. Taxi cab territory

  25. DNAinaGoodWay says:

    Wish they had gotten a screen shot from that Eaton QC, since they seem to think it might have 50-60 kWh.

  26. mustang_sallad says:

    Too bad he didn’t get a shot of the charge port – I’m hoping for Chademo + CCS

    1. unlucky says:

      I now strongly suspect that nearly all the aspirational ideas people have for the LEAF will end up as disappointments instead. CCS, active thermal, bigger, etc. All would add cost and the LEAF has made most of its sales by being cheap.

      I do expect a 50-60kWh pack option at some point though. But just an option.

      1. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

        Altho I hope you’re wrong, my guess is you’re right (hope ≠ belief). Signs do seem to be pointing to Nissan giving up on actually competing with the functionality of 2nd generation BEVs, and trying to maximize its sales for the model by simply being cheaper (if less compelling) than its competition.

  27. john Doe says:

    I think the new Leaf will start with OK production volume, and will be able to deliver cars without waiting in too much of a line.

    I didn’t like the way the first Leaf looked (and other Nissan models like Juke/Puke).. anyway.. it seems like the Nissan customers are in general very happy with the car and the performance & quality (of course allways possible to improve things with a car).

    I have friends that have the Leaf, both in Norway and Germany – and they have not had any trouble with the car at all.

    And I think they are interested in selling cars, unlike GM/Opel Ampera which have either had problems with the production, or are not interested in selling the car at all.
    There were several thousand people waiting in line to buy the car in Norway, and they were only able to deliver a few hundred.
    At the same time, GM had problems selling the cars in the US. I think they could have been quicker to adjust volume from GM to Opel if they really wanted to sell in high volume.

    I’m in Norway on vacation now, and have been to two Opel showrooms. The Ampera cars are all marked sold. One customer was paid to have the car in the showroom until he was home from the hollidays. Just so the Opel dealer would be able to have a car to show other potential customers.

    I wonder how the production volume compared to the Tesla Model 3 will be.
    Tesla have “unlimited” preorders, so it is all up to what they are able to manufacture.
    For Nissan it is a combination of price, and being able to deliver cars to customers that can not wait for 2 years in line to get one.

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