UPDATE: Nationwide Launch Of Next-Generation Chevrolet Volt Delayed Until Early Or Mid 2016

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Nationwide Availability Of Next-Generation Chevrolet Volt Delayed Until February 2017

Updated Dealership Data – Nationwide Availability Of Next-Generation Chevrolet Volt Delayed Until February 2016 (via RePo @GM-Volt.com)

It seems that the nationwide launch of the next-generation Chevrolet Volt has been delayed from November 2015 to February of 2016.

***UPDATE: General Motors has confirmed this delay.  Quoting GM spokesman Kevin Kelly:

“Chevrolet has a shortened model year for the 2016 Chevy Volt that will have a limited distribution network. The 2016 Volt will be sold in our strongest EREV markets. The 2017 Chevrolet Volt will begin production early this spring and will be available throughout the country.”

According to dealership timeline data (graphic above via gm-volt.com forums), nationwide availability of the next-gen Volt won’t happen until the 2017 Model Year Volt goes into production in February of next year, with deliveries expected closer to mid 2016.

Could An Early 2017 Production Schedule For The Nationwide Release Indicate The Addition Of A New Trim Level?

Could An Early 2017 Production Schedule For The Nationwide Release Indicate The Addition Of A New Trim Level?

So the 2016 Volt will be available to customers in California, and 10 other recently opened states – Oregon, Connecticut, Maine, Massachusetts, Maryland, New York, New Jersey, Rhode Island, Vermont and New Hampshire.

Seen above is the latest timeline for the next-gen Volt. This info was made available to dealers just days ago according to the poster.  The below graphic is the timeline that was released four months ago for the Volt launch – showing national orders opening on October 1st, and production beginning in November.

We are curious as to why General Motors has decided to make the Model Year 2016 Volt run so short and wonder why the automaker is starting 2017 Model Year production so early in February of 2016.

As a rule of thumb, early model year changes like this indicate significant changes to the car itself, or changes to its lineup.  Given production is just now underway, we don’t see a lot of physical changes that could be done – but the introduction of a new trim level – such as a less expensive base edition, or new advanced option sets could be a possibility.

Update : GM spokesman Mike Albano told the Automotive News, that yes indeed, the 2017 model will be enhanced, saying that “We’re pulling ahead the ’17 a bit to get additional content into the car,” while adding those changes would not affect the drivetrain.

This new model year would also coincide with the Volt’s engine production moving from  Toluca, Mexico to GM’s new production line in Flint, Michigan.  Last week GM announced further details on that facility’snew manufacturing timelines, so it appears this 2017 model will have a higher domestic content thanks to its US-built engines.

“Once production of the 1.4-liter engine ends this week, the facility will complete installation and testing of equipment with the first production engines heading to GM’s Lordstown, Ohio, assembly plant for the Chevrolet Cruze before the end of the year. Volt production will begin later in 2016.”

Curiosity aside, this apparent delay in nationwide availability is unexpected and could affect sales. Buyers who were hoping to cash in on the federal tax credit this year will now have to decide if they want to wait until next year for the Volt, or purchase some other car that qualifies for the credit.

2016 Chevrolet Volt Timeline - National Order Banks Open In October.  California And Most Other CARB States Open Already

Previous Dealership Data- 2016 Chevrolet Volt Timeline – National Order Banks Open In October. California And Most Other CARB States Open Already

Hat tip to Brian R!

Via GM-Volt.com

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118 Comments on "UPDATE: Nationwide Launch Of Next-Generation Chevrolet Volt Delayed Until Early Or Mid 2016"

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Philip d

Well that really pisses me off. My 2013 Volt lease ends in November and was ready to upgrade. I really don’t want to extend this lease. If I had another option for what we need in an EV I would certainly buy something else instead.

Lou Grinzo

This is problem with EVs and PHEVs right now: There are so few models available, and it’s still a very good idea to lease instead of buy (particularly with EVs), that people can get stranded looking for a way to bridge from their current car to a new model intro.

This is exactly the situation I was in with my 2013 Leaf and a lease that was set to expire in 3/2015. I extended it and then simply bought the car when I found out I could $8,000 off the residual. My total out-of-pocket cost for the car, including all fees, taxes, lease payments, and buyout, was almost exactly $18,000. At that absurdly low price I’m happy to live with its range and hang on for three years, say, while the Leaf 2.0 arrives, gets the bugs shaken out, etc.

I got lucky, timing-wise, but a lot of people driving cars with plugs will wind up being forced into decisions they don’t like, I suspect. I hope this situation eases as more models arrive from more companies.

I’m puzzled by your logic. You indicate lease is better than purchase, but then explain why bridging one lease to another is tough due to the low number of models available.

The OP has a tough decision to make. Maybe if he had bought he could wait until the right time rather than have a lease end date force a decision at an awkward moment.

ItsNotAboutTheMoney

Buy out of state. There are two volume CA dealers that generally offer the best deals anyway.

Philip d

I might look into that. I’m in GA so there would be some time/money challenges. Which dealers are the mostly likely to get the earliest allocations?

ItsNotAboutTheMoney

Rydell and Keyes are known as the volume Volt dealers in California.

philip d

Got a hold of a dealer in MD who told me they are not allowed to sell to non-residents as part of an allocation agreement.

intimacygel

Does that disqualify me for state tax credit??

@phillip if GM’s delay ends up out-delaying Nissan’s delay, you might be able to get your hands on a 110-mile Leaf in November or December. Would that plus quick-charge be enough for your needs?

a.k.a. “The Battle of the Sliding Timelines” 🙂

GeorgeS

@Assaf, @phillip

I’m in the same boat as Phillip…ie Volt lease all done and no EV.

It’s looking like a 30 kwh 2 year Leaf lease is my next window of opportunity.

Philip d

72 mile round trip commute with no plug at work. Winter range would be too close for comfort. Was hoping to lease the new Volt until a 200 mile BEV was available. We eventually want to have 2 BEVs with at least one being a Tesla so we have the supercharger network for trips. The Volt is a nice intermediate solution.

GeorgeS

You should be able to find a plug somewhere. Even if it is just 110V it would give you the extra miles you need in the winter.

@phillip,

We had a real-life test of our 2014 Leaf’s winter range last December.

* Fully burdened – 5 people and our suitcases returning from a 5-night hotel stay
* Temperature in low to mid 20s F
* Highway driving @55-65 MPH
* Seat heaters and AC heating on (not much choice on that…)

We needed ~85% battery to cover 62 miles, so the full range would have been >70 miles.

That’s with the 2014. With a 30 kWh battery-pack having “Lizard” chemistry (introduced in the 2015), and only 1-3 persons on board, a 72-mile round trip should be totally safe down to 0F temps and even below that, as long as you don’t insist on going 80 MPH as well (which is unwise at 0F anyway, no?).

I don’t know where you’re at geographically, but that’s the experience I can share and it’s similar to what I’ve read from other 2013+ Leaf drivers.

Hope this helps!

no comment

a few people complaining on a blog about the Volt rollout is not significant enough for GM to change it’s plans. as i see it, california is the most important market for *EVs because that is where most of the cars are sold. it is more important to make sure that you can deliver to the california market than it is to make sure that you can deliver 1 or 2 Volts to north dakota.

philip d

Um, I live in Atlanta one of the top 3 markets in the nation for EVs. But I get to wait after California then 10 other states to get mine in the 3rd round along with North Dakota.

Instead GM might have convinced me to spend way more than I normally would for a pre-owned Tesla when my Volt lease is up in November. Or maybe a pre-owned i3 or new Leaf.

I’m not going to wait around for some uncertain date sometime in 2016 as a 2017 model when people in California will be driving theirs next month. If GM is going to treat it like a comliance car rollout then I will buy something else. They might find out that playing the CARB game could backfire for many of their loyal customers that live in places like Atlanta.

no comment

when you look at the list of states getting the initial Volt rollout, there is california and 10 other states. the 10 other states are small potatoes relatively speaking: the important state is california. similarly, georgia is small potatoes compared to california where the number of *EVs sold is nearly 8 times the number sold in georgia.

you may fixate on the idea that there is a “list” of initial states, but the reality is that that “list” is mainly about the state of california. since sales volume is less important in the other 10 states, relatively speaking, it makes sense to at least get regulatory benefit if you aren’t counting as much on sales volume contribution.

Ziv

Californians bought less than a third of the Volts sold so far. That is a huge number, but 2/3’s of the market it non-Californian. And GM just pissed off a large part of that market. There may be just a handful of people on this site that will buy an electric car other than the Volt they had planned on buying, but it is a large chunk of the electric car buying public.
GM has screwed up. Again.

Scott

I can tell you this really pisses me off. I’ve been holding my wife off for months now to replace her 2007 Prius and pushing the new Volt. This delay is going to screw that Plan. I guess GM just lost another sale to me but then not too many years ago I never thought I would even think about buying another GM product anyway.

Ziv

Scott, the more I look at this pic, the more I think GM is stupid, but not that stupid. I think the pic of the revised time line may be fake.
But I have to admit that I really hope that this is the case. I don’t think even GM is so incompetent that they would release their timeline in May and then have to revise it in early September.

ItsNotAboutTheMoney

As I mentioned above, you can buy out of state.

Ziv

I leased my 2013MY Volt out of state, but a lot of people can’t or won’t. I am hoping that this supposed delay is a mistake or a spoof.

ItsNotAboutTheMoney

Formerly one of the top 3, I’d suggest. Going from large subsidy to large fee is going to kill the market there.

koz

GM is plenty capable of delivering just about anywhere in the world if they so choose. would really like to know the real reason for delay.

Mike777

Come Onnnnnnnnnnn.

ffbj

I thought that had something to do with the new engine.

Thomas J. Thias
This means nothing. Thus far, with a simple Google search, this article here and on Hybrid Cars dot com and an earlier thread on GM-Volt from 3 weeks ago are the only reference to any alleged change in the GM published and stated MY 2016 Chevy Volt EREV Dealer allocation and national rollout. Other outlets posting this story, reference only source information back to these articles on GM-Volt and Hybrid cars. Just finished a thorough Deep Dive with my Dealership Credentials, at GM Global Connect, General Motors Global Dealer Marketing Portal. Due to copyright and proprety information distribuion provisions of Global Connect I can not post the National MY 2016 Chevy Volt Rollout timeline image here. I will state as a matter of fact that this distribution and allocation timeline, posted on GM Global Connect as of 09.06.2015 at 9:45 am remains exactly the same as when published back in May of 2015. According to all GM propriety information, the national MY 2016 Chevy Volt Extended Range Electric Vehicle distribution rollout is intact. As I can find no other published information globally affirming these alleged distribution changes other then presented by this journalist here and on Hybrid Cars repeating elsewhere.… Read more »
Jason

Thomas-you offered nothing with that other than a lot of confusing dealer tlk, the way you worded it could mean anything.There is a full thread at gm-volt.com of multiple customers in those other 40 states getting told about the change, then this picture is added partways through then more people saying the same. Sounds like you are seeing the 2017 plan as shown here & trying to suggest it was always like that or like that for a long time b4 it was noticed by public, but you are wording it to look like this news today is not right.

Thomas J. Thias

I have 31 years in the Auto Industry Jayson.

I am publisher of a major Electric Fueled Vehicle, Renewable Energy, Battery Storage and Sustainability News and Opinion/ Interactive, Channel on Twitter.

Let me dumb down the information in the above statement so you can digest it.

As of this morning, nothing has changed in the official GM/Chevrolet Rollout Timeline of MY 2016 Chevrolet Volt Extended Range Electric Vehicle as published back in the spring on GM’s propriety Portal, GM Global Connect.

As far as an earlier post from 3 weeks ago at GM volt, the majority of sales staffs are unprepared to promote the Chevy Volt EREV, rather sell a gasser or have a “Political” angle against it.

Amazing that we have hit 100,000 sold, but great to see!

So, glad you were entertained by this ruse, but the rollout of the Amazing Chevy Volt Extended Range Electric Vehicle is marching on as planned.

Now, turn off the computer, wash your hands, go upstairs and thank your aunt for letting you use her old laptop.

Best-

Thomas J. Thias

517-749-0532

Publisher:

https://twitter.com/AmazingChevVolt

xcept for Motor Trend declaring and insane 0-60 track time of 7.1 seconds with their test Chevy Volt EREV.

staff

Mr. Thomas has changed his position at GM-Volt.com, but has apparently decided to not return here to also clarify his latest position, we have copy and pasted his response here so as to not cause anymore confusion in this thread


Thomas J. Thias Says
Sep 8th, 2015 (2:59 am)

“…As of yesterday morning the MY 2016 Chevy Volt EREV National Rollout Timeline, downloadable on GM’s propriety marketing and business portal, GM Global Connect, showed the 2016 Volt National rollout for November, December, 2015 as intact.

As of 4 hour’s ago, on GM Global Connect, this timeline has been updated by Chevrolet, now called “Final”, that shows the new MY 2016 Chevy Volt EREV Timeline and Rollout as posted above.

This shows MY 2017 Chevrolet Volt EREV with Natinal Production beginning February, 2016 release.

Staggering-

Mr. Cobb, please accept my apology for my passionate responce based on credible GM information at hand at the time and my pure disbelief to your breaking article, that has now becomes spot on.

Best-

Thomas J. Thias”

As a personal note,

I recently read the “Has GM nixed 2016MY Volt for most of US, and delayed production to spring 2016?thread at GM-Volt.com (comment 35 through 44) and was a little surprised/disappointed to read my own name(2x) come up, as well as the author of this story (3x), and an extensive report on how InsideEVs (and GMV) had mishandled this story – a version of which did not appear here.

Normally, I am loathe to comment on any subject of controversy, but I felt the site (and myself personally to some extent) somewhat attacked, and via the comments at a 3rd party site that we have no way of automatically knowing exist (although GM-Volt was also my home for many years and I still consider it that when I do visit).

Anyway, I echo Jeff Cobb’s (editor-in-chief of GM-Volt.com/Hybridcars.com) comments in that thread, and am a little disappointed to have seen what went on there, I had thought Mr. Thias and ourselves had an amicable relationship.

…also the story here has been updated to included GM’s own recent confirmation of the change of roll-out plans now that the long weekend is over.

Thomas J. Thias
To Inside EVs Publisher Jay Cole, to the Automotive Journalists that put out, hourly, at times, the best global information, opinion and breaking news on the surging global Electric Fueled Vehicle Industry and to its many passionate EV owners, readers and followers and yes, even to you few detractors that comment here from time to time as well: I Thomas J. Thias want to offer my sincere apology for my over the top defense of the Chevy Volt Extended Range Electric Vehicle in what I perceived to be false information concerning its much heralded MY 2016 National rollout and my, at times, disrespectful comments. As stated in my apology to GM-Volt and Hybrid Cars Editor, Jeff Cobb, above, the propriety GM Business and Marketing Portal, GM Global Connect, had continued to maintain an updated marketing push timeline, “The 2016 Chevy Volt Playbook” pdf. that had not changed except for ordering updates, as of early September 7th, 2015, from its original deployment earlier in the spring of this year. The comments that I made here and elsewhere were the results of the hard facts from the GM Portal and having spent the last 7 years fending off attacks on the product… Read more »
Hey Thomas, We do go back a long way, and thank you for your words. I do understand the passion you have for the Chevrolet Volt. We do strive to present the stories we publish in the most factual, straight-forward manner possible, and if there is room for error/rumor we try to make sure that is conveyed/noted in the story as well. That being said, we publish a lot of stories, and we are not perfect ourselves. As always (and with anyone who comments here), feel free to agree, disagree, w/e with the story at hand. …but if you do feel there is an injustice/unfairness being presented here at IEV, please drop me a line (or comment here) as opposed to airing grievances elsewhere – we can’t do much about if we don’t know the problem, and it makes us look not-so-good to others not familiar with whatever the situation might be. I’m a pretty breezy guy, easy to talk to I think…and we are all on the same side trying to get a bazillion plug-ins on the road, (= End of the day here, we are talking about 30% of the Volt consumer base waiting an extra three months…but… Read more »
no comment

to try to nail down what it is that you are asserting: this article present a “previous” product rollout map and a “more current” product rolloout map (both labeled as “dealership data”); a comparison between the two maps shows a clear change in the product rollout. are you alleging that one or both of these product rollout maps is false? or are you just stating that some “proprietary” rollout map, available to you and none of us, has not changed? as a dealer have you ever seen *either* of the “dealership data” rollout maps shown in this article? something is not adding up here and your allegations aren’t specific enough to be able to figure out whether this article is in error (and the cited information sources false) or whether GM is distributing different information on different platforms.

Philip d

GMs credibility just went out the window on any notion that the Bolt will come out at the end of next year. Expect the end of 2017 at earliest.

ffbj

Seems likely.

Robb Stark

I don’t think you read the forum correctly.

Only Tesla has delays.

The legacy automakers are always on time with their release dates.

Anon

I didn’t know Elon was working for GM now! 😉

Philip d

The first gen Volt had a slow rollout but they were more upfront and honest about nationwide expectations. With the new Volt they have been consistently coy about its specs to later reveal it to be better than expectations.

That’s why this sudden matter of fact delay of possibly six months for nationwide allocation seems out of character for how they’ve been dealing with the Volt.

Michael Will

Maybe they refocus on time to market for the Bolt because of tesla announcing preorders for the model 3 March 2016. Then again we know how little that meant for model x preorders in 2012 🙂 however the counter argument is that the 3 does likely not need as much hardcore engineering from scratch as the x with the falcon doors and special seats needed, so maybe they will surprise in the opposite direction this time ?

DonC

Interesting turn of events. However, given it takes roughly eight weeks plus from the time you get a production number to when a car shows up at the dealer — in part it depends on the shipping time — I think it unlikely that many Volts would have been shipped to non-CARB states in 2016 if orders started in November.

David Murray

This could be taken as good news. Perhaps the initial demand is higher than they originally thought and so they’ve decided to slow the roll-out down because they don’t have enough production to satisfy the entire country.

sven

Let’s hope that’s what it is.

RexxSee

I told you soooo many times that ICE car makers only comply to laws. THEY DO NOT WANT TO MAKE GOOD AFFORDABLE EVS IN SUFFICIENT NUMBERS.
B.S. with the lame excuse of “they didn’t anticipate the demand”. they all know, and for a long time that the demand for a good EV would be overwhelming.

They protect their ICE business model and indecent profits along with their criminal FF friends.

And F*** the climate havoc.

David Murray

That’s an awful lot to infer just over a 4-month delay for a nationwide rollout. If Tesla delayed 4 months on something, what would you say?

Koenigsegg

they are trying to make their product as best as it can be before releasing something that is half ass and unfinished

Anon

Technically speaking, the rear middle “seat” of the Volt *IS* half-assed, because a full one, won’t fit. ;)r

RexxSee

This new delay is just another little brick in the wall of all the squirts that make that after 5 years, electric cars sales represent only a tiny bit of global ICE sales.
The Volt isn’t a rel BEV.
Wouln’t be hard to make an all electric Volt instead of a Sub compact Spark?

RexxSee

Speaking of bricks, i just read that the new Smart won’t be available until late 2016

philip d

It may be far longer than 4 months for customers in places like Atlanta that are not part of the CA +10 states. For us it might be summer or fall or who knows. I think GM is making it clear they are going for early numbers and ZEV credits rather than satisfying loyal customers.

That can backfire. You might pick up some new customers in places in CA while losing Volt advocates in other places that are kept waiting impatiently for an unknown amount of time.

I love my Volt but it’s no Tesla. I won’t wait THAT long for a Volt.

bla

NOOO, they are delaying it because they want the final product to be simply no less than perfect. They are musking it.

PatrickB

“Perhaps the initial demand is higher than they originally thought and so they’ve decided to slow the roll-out down because they don’t have enough production to satisfy the entire country.”

This was my first thought as well. I don’t think it’s delays because of engine shortage or model changes. It’s GM looking at dealer and customer orders in the CARB states and Canada and realizing the don’t have the production capability to meet all that demand plus the rest of the states.

Ash09

I read some speculation on the gm-volt forums that one possible reason for the delay is due to either unexpectedly high demand for the Volt in California.

Another is that there seems to be an issue with some components in the Volt that GM is working to fix, such as the homelink mirror not working correctly.

A third rumor I heard is that GM did this to come out with an even more stripped down, bare-bones Gen 2 Volt, probably so it could hit that magical “under $30k” price.

Not sure if any of them are true, or it could be a combination of them.

John

The homelink mirror not working properly?

It’s not there at all!

Luckily, aftermarket solutions exist that are reasonably priced and easy to install.

drpawansharma

are they planning for chevy volt to have a run of 30000 units annually as well?

CDAVIS

Chevy is directing all available 2016 Volt production capacity first towards orders made in CAFE states to book the ZEV credits; rather than paying ZEV penalties or worst yet having to buy offset credits from Tesla. Because the demand for the 2nd gen Volts in those CAFE states are very high it will take longer than originally projected to supply that order demand before opening supply to the non-CAFE states.

Would this work for earlier 2nd gen Volt purchase in a non-CAFE state?:

Place order and make purchcase of Volt in an early order CAFE state that has = or < sales tax than your "home" state. Register the car in the "home" state and pay the sales tax difference (as required per the "home state law) if any. I think CAFE ZEV credits are calculated on basis where car is sold not where car is registered so Chevy may not care car is sold in CAFE state then registered (or re-registered) in "home" state.

koz

If CARB credit is for sale not registration too then this could be a legit excuse to delay rollout and push more sales to CA. Doubt this is the case though.

Hey Lou leases suck especially in big cities. Those miles add up quicker than you think. If you like driving or have to drive 40 to 50 miles a day just for work those miles add up quick. Than throw in some overtime and crosstown miles. 3 times 15,000 miles is not 36,000 miles.

You can buy extra miles up front, generally for reasonable prices; $0.05 – $0.10 per mile.

I got 18,000 with my Focus Electric.

Spider-Dan

On my 39mo/39K mi Volt lease, I could buy extra mileage up front at $0.20/mile, or pay $0.25/mile for overage when I turned it in. (And you don’t get a refund for unused miles.) So I did not buy extra miles.

alex

So why is that high demand for Chevrolet Silverado is expected, but high demand on Chevrolet Volt is unexpected?

Any rationale to that?

Bill Howland
Everyone seems to like Mary Barra, and the decision to delay the volt in 40 states seems to have been her decision. If GM is selling an unexpectedly high number of these in California and other states, there would be the same amount of IRRITATION toward GM if they had simply distributed too few cars everywhere, when they can get the maximum ‘bang for the buck’ by satifying Californians first. And by doing this GM solves 2 problems whether they publicly admit to it or not: 1). Californians are much more likely to scream “GM LOVES OIL COMPANIES and doesn’t want to make enough VOLTS for us!!”, much more so than other areas of the country. 2). GM saves on ZEV issues by selling plenty of cars in California, a CAFE state. I would hope no one begrudges GM for trying to minimize the amount of fines they have to pay, since the fines ultimately come from the sticker price of ICE cars, and ultimately impact the profitability of the corporation. Those who have their heart set on a 2016 volt elsewhere (40 states) may have to wait a bit, or else can decide to pick up a discounted 2015… Read more »

“GM saves on ZEV issues by selling plenty of cars in California, a CAFE state.”

It has been confirmed previously that GM has plenty of CARB credits to carry them to 2020, even before their recent explosion of 900+ Spark EV sales in one month.

So I don’t think getting the credits in the CARB states is their motivation, though it’s also entirely possible that I don’t understand some of the CARB nuances.

no comment

GM probably sells more Silverados in a couple of weeks than they sell Volts in an entire year. it’s not hard to see which car is of greater economic importance right now.

The timeline of deliveries expected closer to mid 2016 for a 2017 Model Year Volt sounds in line with traditional vehicles.
ie: There’s a reason it was called the 2017 Model Year Volt.

Something to keep in mind is volume will be constrainted for first few quarters.

So will people wait to Q2/Q3 2016 to purchase a Volt, or a few months longer and get a Bolt in Q4 2016?
http://insideevs.com/chevrolet-bolt-track-q4-2016-production/

This will make for a curious A/B study … will buyers opt for the Volt with 50 mile EV range, or the Bolt with 150+ mile EV range? So how will buyers choose?

David Murray

If the BMW i3 vs. i3-Rex is any indication, apparently 2/3 or so will take the range extender option. But the Volt and Bolt will be very different cars that under normal circumstances would appeal to very different people.

Rich

Hi David,
Everything I’ve seen shows BMW i3 REX sales being around 52%. This came from articles and from the Product Manager of the BMW i3 in an interview. You said the BMW i3 REX sales are 2/3 of the i3 sales. Would you please provide links to the source of this information. I’m interested. Thanks!

Philip d

If I had to put money on it I would bet the Bolt will rollout under the same scenario meaning that maybe a few Bolts will be available in CA at the end of next year with full nationwide production for summer or fall of 2017.

Omar Sultan

So, dumb question, but if the Volt is not available in your state, but is in a neighboring state, can you cross state lines to buy one? (I feel really stupid having to ask that question, but such is car buying in the US in 2015).

An allocation issue does not seem to make sense, once GM crosses their compliance threshold in CA, it would seem constrained supplies are a “good” thing as they allow dealers charge premiums and GM gets to declare the Volt a hit by pointing as the high demand and long lines, assuming their is enough demand in other states to soak up the inventory.

Supply chain challenges do seem to make more sense, but something more significant than the homelink mirror, maybe from the engine (ramp up production at the new plant) or even from the battery packs?

M Hovis

It is a fair question Omar. If it were a compliance car with no certified mechanics, that would be one thing, but that is not the case here. I think jumping states is totally valid in this model. America!

Pushmi-Pullyu

Omar:

Yes, you can buy a car in another State and “import” it. But make sure you talk to the dealer and make an informed decision. State laws differ on how the State taxes are handled. Generally speaking, you should be able to defer paying State tax in the State of purchase, and pay State tax in your State when you go to license the car.

But it’s been reported that in some cases — and California is one of those cases — that may be problematic.

“Knowledge is power.”

Jimmy

I’ve been looking a buying a car in Calif. and transporting it cross country. If you drive the car off the lot in Calif. you must pay rather high Calif. taxes.

The best plan is to trailer the car out of Calif.

flmark

…maybe they’ll get rid of those knee-busting cupholders for that person in the middle back seat.

…maybe they’ll give us 6.6 (or at least something beyond 3.6) kw charging…

…or at least give us OPTIONS regarding what many feel are 2016 Volt limitations.

We can hope, at least, that there is an upside to the delay.

alex

OK, now I get it. Since everybody likes Mary Barra they have to like her decisions too. Now if this like was based on her decisions, like getting serious about electric cars and bringing Bolt, that would be different story of course.

But CEO’s like / dislike has nothing to do with popularity of their decisions. Everybody likes Mary Barra because she sings and dances really well!

vdiv

Senor, would you like some Pico de Gallo or maybe some compliance status with your 2016 Volt?

alex

As far as demand being unexpectedly high it was be something really difficult to predict. Who would have thought people want these elecric cars! Their Mr. Spreadsheet doing these forecasts since 1981 really knows his staff. Ignore customers, focus groups, screaming Californians, and those findings from group spying on Tesla. Let’s keep churning these Silverados because Ford is doing the same!

Give to Californians all of these stupid electric toys, so that they stop screaming and let’s do that serious business of ours! Churning Silverados that is!

Yes the automakers are making big bucks with trucks. As long as gas prices are lower than 2.50 trucks are selling. Gas prices are dropping so bigger vehicles move. However when gas prices go up trucks are not moving. I do not think gas will go up soon. OPEC wants the control over non opec countries and OPEC does not want to see Tesla as a major auto manufacturer. However there may be a major improvement in batteries better than lithium before gas prices go back up like in 2012 when gas was hitting 4 a gallon. With better batteries the electric motor will definitely out perform any gas or diesel engine.

alex

Terry,

You’re reasoning is perfect for those who got caught inside a gas truck. But those who have found themselves caught inside Volt might be dissapointed.

As much as everybody likes Mary Barra CEO’s should be judged based on vision, execution. Inaccurate forecast of demand might be an excuse for an inexperienced analyst, not for CEO.

As far as the logic to buy a big gas truck today because oil prices are low that’s a gamble that will backfire.

Oil prices are really unpredictable and in opinion of some have reached the bottom. They may bounce back much sooner than many will pay back their car loans.

And when gas prices bounce back they will be expected to stay high for a while. And the residual value of big trucks will be estimated based on price and availability of alternatives, third generation electric cars that is.

Now forecasting demand into few years ahead is really sort of future telling. If your growing sales numbers are really based on growing fleet car sales and better credit terms, what you believe is growing demand may easily turn out to be a growing bubble.

David

GM doesn’t fail to disappoint. They don’t want to make electric vehicles. They only do what they’re forced to. CARB states only. I don’t believe high demand dreams. I predict modest sales even in CARB states this year. Gas prices too low. Volt cabin space too small.

Phr3d

♫ OHH LORD! woncha’ Buy me..
♫ a Chev ‘o ‘let VOLT!
♫ I’ve NO friends Callee..
♫ I’m out in da’ kolt

This is not good news for me. I have a 2011 Leaf-NO BATTERY HEATER. when the outside temps drop into single digits I get 15 miles per charge. I wanted to upgrade to a Volt and am getting to old to ride my bicycle to work when its 3F outside. So how long does GM expect the current supply of 2015 Volts will last?

Bill Howland
I feel your pain Mike. No one in the warmer areas of the country know what we go through at 0 degree fahrenheit weather, or colder. My roadster used an extra 1000 kwh last winter just keeping the battery warm, forget about charging it. You sound like you need either an ELR, FORD cmax energi or else a Volt. The volt is very efficient in very cold weather due to the heater making good use of any otherwise wasted heat. And 300 miles of range under such conditions means worrying about arriving at your destination will be a thing of the past. To test the efficiency of my 2011 volt today when the battery had just become dead, I drove a further 20 miles to my house on the engine, and found that during this steady 42-45 mph leg of the trip, I averaged 51.5 mpg. Not bad for a 4 1/2 year old car. 2011-2015 volts are also starting to turn up on the used car market, which are Excellent values. The car should last well over 100,000 miles, possibly well over 200,000. I’d have few qualms about picking up a used one, since, unlike a Leaf, there have… Read more »
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i assume “15 miles” is an exaggeration…

you could conceivably get a Volt from a dealer in one of the states that are in the initial rollout. the problem is that the Volt will undoubtedly be distributed to dealers on allocation as was done the last time. the other side of this is that you can’t count on getting any deals while the car is on partial rollout and you may have to pay a markup.

Scott

Not necessarily. If he has just 7-9 GID’s left, I would guess that’s about right before the low battery warning comes up. My ’13 Leaf without the heat pump got 38 miles down last winter when it was -20 F outside before LBW. Battery is in remarkable shape with 25k miles on the car. It’s just a hell of a lot of resistance for any battery when things are that cold outside, especially soaking outside all night- even on the charger.

kubel

2016 LEAF with 30 kWh battery it is.

Taser54

Oh no, someone has to wait for the extremely popular 2016 Volt. The horror.

Taser54

Perhaps the Bolt is being released early and initial battery supply is tight?

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do you *really* believe that GM would delay the Volt, and possibly the Cadillac CT6, so that they could deliver the Bolt???

Taser54

CT6 PHEV arrives in early 2017.

Delaying rollout of the Volt in the remaining non-CARB states a couple months in order to release the Bolt early doesn’t seem like of that big a sacrifice.

It allows Chevy to reap the ZEV credits to offset its truck sales in CA.

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GM says that the CT6 will be out 1 year earlier than you say it will be.

GM is not Tesla, as a matter of strategic direction, GM’s focus is on hybrids. i find it hard to believe that GM would delay a PHEV in favor of a BEV: it would make little strategic sense.

Re: CT6 PHEV release dates.

Depends on where you live when it comes to the CT6. It is primarily focused on China, then US as a secondary. There was quite a bit of confusion when it initially bowed in China, assuming the US was going to be the primary launch market.

When it debuted in Shanghai, the release date was for December, but that is in China – its point of origin. We spoke directly to GM on the subject and confirmed that the US release is not planned until “early 2017”

(link to random Cadillac CT6 PHEV specs/details)

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as i read this story, the PHEV CT6 is going to be manufactured in china:

http://media.cadillac.com/media/cn/en/cadillac/news.detail.html/content/Pages/news/cn/en/2015/april/0419_PHEV.html

the more i look at the CT6, i am coming to believe that the CT6 will give the PHEV s-class benzo a “run for the money”; i suspect that the CT6 is a better engineered car and the CT6 has nearly twice the AER of the benzo. the interior of the CT6 is pretty well designed.

Taser54

Again. The CT6 hybrid comes out 1 year later to NA.

As for strategy, ZEV credits are in the mix. Either sell enough BEVs to obtain the ZEV credits or they have to buy them from someone else.

The band-aid was the Spark EV (which is not being updated), the cure is the Bolt EV.

Last year GM surprised everyone with the Bolt and by all accounts they are far ahead of schedule. IF GM were to delay the nationwide rollout of the volt, early release of the Bolt would be a solid reason.

Rich

“do you *really* believe that GM would delay the Volt, and possibly the Cadillac CT6, so that they could deliver the Bolt???”

No, I don’t believe GM would delay anything in favor of releasing the BOLT

philip d

I’d they would have been straight forward with expectations to begin with people wouldn’t be so upset. They literally pulled the rug out from under all the non-CARB states just 2-3 months before my dealer said I would be receiving mine to replace my old one that I leased.

If they would have been honest with me I wouldn’t be planning to buy something else now. Way to treat loyal customers.

evnow

If this was because of high demand from CA, GM would’ve proudly announced the delay for other states with glee. Not done this quietly.

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whatever the problem is, i have got to believe that it is related to volume. california is the biggest market for *EVs, and is basically most of the market nationwide, so if there is a problem with the product itself, you delay the rollout everywhere; you don’t put a substandard product into california, because that’s the most important market.

Anthony

Sigh. Well this is disappointing. It doesn’t affect me too much (bought not leased).

What I’m guessing is that it’s a CARB credit compliance issue combined with a battery manufacturing problem. GM should (usually) be counted on to build cars and trucks. But they aren’t making the batteries for the Volt (or Bolt). The ramp of the new cells might be slower than they’d like, and they don’t have the direct control to turn up the pace.

So we’re left with GM maximizing it’s bottom line (this is what they’re supposed to do for shareholders).

Pushmi-Pullyu

Anthony said:

“…a battery manufacturing problem. GM should (usually) be counted on to build cars and trucks. But they aren’t making the batteries for the Volt (or Bolt). The ramp of the new cells might be slower than they’d like, and they don’t have the direct control to turn up the pace.”

That was my first thought, too. With so many customers competing for LG Chem’s new (and I would guess cheaper per kWh) cells, GM may have to wait in line.

But that’s just speculation. I don’t know what the actual cause of the delay is any more than anyone else posting here.

ModernMarvelFan
I think there are few possiblities. 1. CA is the main market. Volt had a huge shortage in 2012 due to the HOV access and GM couldn’t keep it up in CA. Now, the HOV sticker quota got a bump and GM is trying to make sure its new Volt get those allocation by make sure CA buyers are satisfied. 2. Bolt is coming out soon, if potential Volt buyers are also buying the Bolt potentially, then don’t “waste” a $7,500 incentive quota on Volt when they can be saved for Bolt buyers. 3. The production ramp is just too slow for high demand in California while the rest of the country has low backlog (which is probably true). Since almost 50% of all Volt are sold in California anyway, the amount of Volt sold outside of those initial market are probably too small to make a difference. 4. Potentially those early states requries slightly different emission or warranty terms which GM doesn’t want to be subject to until more datas are out on the Volt. 5. GM just has a low battery ramp with LG (considering all deals LG is signing) that it got caught by the surprising high… Read more »

re #2 – GM has probably in the neighborhood of 150,000 credits to go before hitting 250K. One year of Volt sales at 30,000 units per year isn’t going to hurt the Bolt that much.

ModernMarvelFan

GM is closing on 90K Volt already and 30K additional would mean 30K less for the Bolt.

200K is the mark. Between 200K to 250K, the $7500 gets reduced to zero.

przemo_li

I think its the demand. It outstrip supplay, and why not accumulate extra CARB credits?

BigWhoop

Big whooptie do.
Smart move for GM profits. Why canibalize sales of thier high profit margin products for low profit margin products when oil prices are down?
They’re in the biz to make the most dollars and these low profit margin cars makes no sense for them right now.

Besides, all auro manufactures slip past timelines all the time. Big hooptie doo!

BigWhoop

HOV stickers should all be only for BEV. Seems lame to allow an ice burner in the lane.

Rick

I disagree. HOV lanes should be for high occupancy vehicles. It’s about highway capacity, not fuel efficiency. Totally different issue.

ModernMarvelFan

HOV lane is designed by CARB which is focusing on reduce emissions.

Reducing congestions tends to correlates to reduce emissions. NOT always though.

ModernMarvelFan

CNG and FCEV both qualify for HOV lanes.

Do you hate them equally?

Why wouldn’t EREV such as Volt get the access if they are running in pure EV mode while in the HOV lane?

JeffP

Nooooooooo!!! I was planning on ordering one on Oct 1 here in NC. My wife wants to drive a Volt after driving mine. She needs a new car as hers in getting up in years. What do I do?

Larry

Welllll, Leaf 2 may have just gotten a leg up!

Taser54

Not really. Bolt simply blows the leaf down the street.

sven

Are you saying the Bolt is a Leaf blower?

Larry

Leaf 2 will probably have about the same AEV range as Bolt, and if it has a 50-state roll-out while Bolt is dribbled out a la Volt, then advantage Leaf.

Martin T

No Dramas in Australia as we won’t be seeing it.

Wonder what the delay is possibly – Parts out of China or Mexico on a slow boat?

So glad I really like my Generation 1 2013 Volt, because if I was in NA I would have to skip the 2016 Volt body style completely. 🙂

Londo Bell

All these speculations – only a few hit the nail…

Gas price is cheap, so trucks/SUV sales are high, and fuel efficient vehicles are dropping big time. News reports have confirmed such.

If one would really want to investigate the reason, one should look at what dealers are ordering. My take – most dealers – almost 100% of those in 49 states, and even in CA (the only state) aren’t ordering the Volt in big numbers at this point. Thus, GM pushes back Volt launch. FYI – profits (dealership level) of a truck/SUV can reach EVEN BEYOND $10K per vehicle (with options, accessories, etc.), and Volt? Well, someone needs to make a decision so that a boat payment can be made.

Many have said so in the past, but refused to believe it when this happens, aiyaya…

This has happened in the past with major manufacturers. There have been ICE vehicles that have had major changes in the middle of the year. In the past GM had the EVs come out the beginning of the year. There are a lot of changes being made on this 16 Volt delays are bound to happen. Retooling takes time. Tesla is having a lot of delays. These EVs are not assembled like ICE vehicles. That is why I tell individuals do not look at a lease. Leases suck if you live in big city and you drive a lot

They’re going to put 6.6kW in the 2017 and also make ERDTT optional! Haha! 😉

ModernMarvelFan

And revealing a Voltec equipped Malibu and Equinox at the same time? =)