Musk Tweets – Tesla Truck Range To Be 500 Miles, Maybe Higher

Tesla Pickup Truck

JUN 26 2018 BY ERIC LOVEDAY 150

What do you want to see Tesla incorporate into the upcoming electric pickup truck?

Fortunately, Musk is asking that question and seeking out answers right now.

***UPDATE – Musk has fired off a few more Tweets connected to the truck. We’ve embedded them directly below:

Tesla CEO Elon Musk is active on Twitter right this very moment with some new information of the upcoming Tesla truck. Standard equipment will include dual-motor AWD, a self-leveling air suspension that adjusts for load and more…

Outside of those standard bits, what else do you want to see featured on the Tesla truck?

Our own Domenick Yoney chimed in with this:

Musk added:

Seems like the rear gate should rotate on a four bar linkage & drop down to the ground or close. Kinda like some big trucks have.

And of course it will “parallel park automatically & have 360 degree cameras & sonar,” says Musk.

It was way back in July of 2016, in Tesla’s Master Plan Part Deux, when Tesla first officially mentioned the electric pickup. Not much in the way of concrete information has been made available as of yet, but here’s what Tesla stated way back then:

“Today, Tesla addresses two relatively small segments of premium sedans and SUVs. With the Model 3, a future compact SUV and a new kind of pickup truck, we plan to address most of the consumer market.”

Before that mention, it was mainly Musk, via Twitter, who hinted at a future electric truck.

We’ll stay on top of Musk’s Tesla truck Twitter feed so that we can update this post with new information as it comes in. Stay tuned, as there’s surely more to come.

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Build a pickup for heavy duty, then come back and build a compact electric truck please.
We would no longer need to keep a second car, it would save us a bunch, I can’t believe we are all alone in that.

I too want a small truck, like a Ranger or S10 sized, that can tow my 3,000lb boat/trailer. It also has to have a bed for occasionally hauling furniture, etc.

I miss my 1995 GMC Sonoma 4 cylinder five speed. I sold it in 2010 and it’s still running for the person who bought it.

Small truck is ok but Elon is planning this mainly for the American truck market which mid size truck ar only 10 to 20% of the market.

are you one of those people that tow the vehicle too small for the load

No second car? I.e. using a truck for everything instead? I don’t see how that is supposed to “save a bunch”. Even an electric truck will surely be more expensive in the long run than keeping a separate, more economic car for most use.

(Not to mention externalities…)

it would likely be cheaper then owning an EV and a gas truck.

Maybe rent the truck for those few times you need?

Well, depends on the situation I’d say: for someone living on a farm in the middle of nowhere, renting a truck when needed is not really an option I guess 🙂 For a typical city dweller on the other hand…

It is hard/expensive to rent HD diesels set up to tow a gooseneck. Trucks aren’t a single commodity that can be swapped out blindly for each other.

There are tasks that lend themselves to renting a truck at home depot, and then there are tasks that aren’t.

Just like you can’t rent a Smart EV to drive your family of 6-7 around in place of a Model X

Well, I don’t know vehicle taxation in the U.S. — but do you really think having a gas truck used only occasionally in addition to a regular EV, would be more expensive than using an electric truck for all everyday driving?…

That’s what I meant to say. Our Leaf does everything but we still do big gardening and move stuff that doesn’t fit in a hatchback. We also retired and don’t need to pay insurance and license on two cars.

Double insurance, double depreciation, and double taxes kills much of the savings for having two vehicles instead of one.

Bingo. Retired, no monthly bill goes unnoticed.

I doubt that. Depreciation, not running costs, is the biggest item in the TCO account.

How about giving it Z turn? Not very practical but more useful than ludicrous or insanity and almost as fun.

Yes, this Tesla model appears to be going after the F-250 market.
Strange, I’d start with the highest sales target, the F-150.

Exactly… F150 is by far the volume leader.

Have you noticed how long it takes to ramp production in more niche segments of the market? Perhaps it’s not really meaningful how many would buy if it’ll be many years before you could possibly deliver to them all.

I think Elon is trolling the forum, this is probably not serious,although the suggestions are interesting,I’d like to see a F-150 which he could sell for 100K,for a small profit, but the reason for these posts is to distract everyone from the failure of Tesla to produce 5K a week or even come within 35% of it despite claiming higher production for the last year.
Lets give him another year, by then,5K.

Yeah, towing is the real challenge for a BEV. It’s no surprise that Tesla is aiming for a 400-500 mile range for its pickup, since according to real-world reports, a Tesla Model X loses half its range even by towing a mid-sized trailer. We can hope the Tesla Pickup will do a bit better, but even if it improves things to losing only a third of the range, that drops the 400-500 mile range to 267-333 miles. And when hauling something really large, such as a full-sized camper or a heavy load of construction supplies, it will be even worse.

Heavy (Lite Weight) Chrome Bumpers Front & Rear For Utility Use …

Yes! Finally! The car, our environment was waiting for. I see single men with small … driving through town in these trucks, with another truck on the truck

How do you know the size of their ??? Or are you making an assumption that is perhaps based on your own bias against that type of vehicle?

He places them under citizen’s arrest and holds inspections.

Rifle rack and CB radio.

And “Grab them by the pu$$y” bumper sticker? LOL CONNECT THE DOTS ON CLEAN AIR WAKE UP FOLKS thanks co2.earth

(⌐■_■) Trollnonymous

ROTFLMAO

Sorry. I see your point. Our built-in moderation system doesn’t allow some words, even if our president does use them and approves of them. I fixed it for you.

LOL!! I see what you did there….

I have some suggestions for Tesla…
1. Get rid of all the aerodynamics and make the damn thing look like a pickup truck… just like a Ford F-150 and put a metal bumper in the front and back.
2. Make it a Class 3 truck with GVW 10,000lbs+.
3. Give it 12,000lb towing capacity
4. Make 100KWH base and 200KWH long range…. Should be good for 150 miles and 300 miles, fully loaded or fully towed.
5. Give it a Tesla Semi level charging port.
6. AWD should be standard
7. Should have some sort of electronic or hydraulic lift for greater ground clearance
8. Just buy out Bollinger Motors and use their design with some “Tesla” improvements

You appear to be rather confused. Tesla does indeed need to make something not too dissimilar from a Ford F-150 pickup, and not anything like the Bollinger heavy truck which would (if I understand it right) require a commercial driver’s license to drive it on public roads, or would need a Megacharger to charge rather than charging at an ordinary L2 charger or a typical Tesla Supercharger.

No offense to Bollinger and I hope they succeed in their business, but they are aiming for sales to construction contractors, not aiming at the normal pickup market.

What is the “normal pickup market”? I can tell you, since you have no idea.. 1/2 ton, crew cab, 2000lb bed cargo capacity and over 10K towing capacity 400 mile range. The heart of the market is around 40-50K price wise. Now when you look at the HD pickup market, where most contractors buy they are typically diesel, again crew cab, 4000lb bed capacity, and 18000lb towing, 600 mile range, and loaded @ 70K price. Pickup truck buyers are the most brand loyal in the automotive industry, Tesla is going to struggle to make inroads here, especially if their truck looks anything like that rendering “fugly” . The current GMC Denali (my favorite) pickups have nicer and more comfortable interior than any Tesla vehicle made… and sadly the current generation trucks have Tesla beat in build quality too… Tesla’s UI… hahahahaha! HD pickup buyers like knobs, and buttons that are big enough and spaced enough to operate wearing work gloves. Touch screens = no mas….

Dude, you’re getting spittle on my screen.

Reality check: The Ford F-150 pickup was by far the #1 passenger vehicle in the USA last year, and I think for several years running.

That said, you’re correct to say that Tesla will enter the pickup market at the highest end, to compete with the oversized RAM pickups. Elon’s latest tweets certainly indicate that’s what Tesla is aiming for. That still is rather far removed from a commercial Class 3 heavy truck like the Bollinger B1! I’m sorry you don’t understand the difference between a consumer vehicle and a commercial one, but that’s not Tesla’s problem — nor mine!

Also, we’ll see just how much pickup buyers “love” buttons and knobs, when Tesla starts selling its pickup.
😀 😀 😀

Wrong again… your opinion is not relevant as a guy that has never bought a pickup.

My last daily driver was a 1991 Toyota Pickup (aka “Toyota Truck”).

“Wrong again”? You should make that your screen name, dude! It fits.

Oh boy, That 1991 toy is quite a truck, how many did they sell?

A lot. The Toyota Pickup had a reputation for lasting forever, and a lot of them could still be seen driving around south of the border decades later, on their third owner. Some probably still are.

Oh, and I learned how to drive with old postwar four-on-the-floor Ford pickup, when I was 14. How about you? Or did you ever learn to drive, dude?
😀

Sure hope it does not look like your artist rendering, which is the Tesla semi shrunk in the dryer.

Speaking only for myself, could use a replacement for my Ranger, with equivalent or hopefully better range. I use it for local hauling and camper towing. It should probably touch 300 miles or better range. Going into the back country there are places where it is hard to find a regular gas station, much less an EV charger. Getting a dead battery while towing a camper would be a serious bummer.

I think the whole joke (at least I hope it was a joke) is that it’s actually *not* shrunk compared to the Semi; just deformed a bit…

Honestly there’s something kind of H.R. Giger about that rendering.

Or HR Pufnstuf.

“Sure hope it does not look like your artist rendering, which is the Tesla semi shrunk in the dryer.”

I hope not also, but that’s the only image Tesla has provided with any connection to a Tesla pickup. Presumably that was a joke on Elon’s part… but some of his “jokes” (like the Boring Co.) have turned out to be surprisingly real!

Please make it a small truck like the earlier generation Toyota Tacomas and the like. That is, a truck where you can reach into the bed and where you can park in a normal size parking space. Cab over design, or short low hood would be fine.

Well maybe you could consider this after making the testosterone+++ model which seems to be where the market, and the male brain, is fixated.

I believe (or at least hope) that Tesla is actually thinking of a work machine here; and the testosterone-pandering remarks aren’t really serious… I’m pretty sure the testosterone overload brigade will be the last people in the world to trade their beloved gas-guzzling monstrosities for any sort of EV.

Agreed, if the sketches are anything to go by this is a truck for commercial use – delivering gravel/building supplies and hauling dirt, meant to compete with the F450/F550 chassis rather than something bought by consumers/contractors/farmers to replace their F150-350.

Perhaps if you drive an F350/3500 Dually you may be interested!

If that’s right then we will have a long wait for a real electric Tesla Pickup to rival the F150/1500 market, which is a shame as I’d love one. Hopefully when we replace our current one there will be one available. It would need to haul a tonne and do at least 300 miles on a charge in winter though, so 200kwh battery?

Nah- Tacoma too big. Suzuki Mighty Boy is the ideal size. Just 2 people and a bed that fits a couple cases of beer.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suzuki_Mighty_Boy

🙂 That looked like a weird home made ute from Australia.

Not like these: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ute_(vehicle)

But the once where the owner of a normal car have gone apeshit with an angle grinder, or have tried to install a ute conversion kit on the wrong car model.


I have never really seen the use of a pick-up, compared to a van and a trailer.
The risk of theft from the back is too high, and it is not sheltered from the weather.

Cut down large shrubs and load them in a van, do it every week you’ll want an open bed.
Let Tesla build a commercial pickup, if vw would electrify and sell their Saverio here, (a golf trucklet)
https://www.vwcomerciales.com.mx/es/modelos/saveiro.html
Even though my old Rabbit diesel pickup was too small, it fit my needs for years, the bed was maybe a foot off the ground, no wild liftgates or scary ramps needed.

OMG that is even smaller than my compact 1991 Toyota Pickup!

Well, I’ll hope that Tesla will aim for something somewhat closer to a full-sized pickup than that!

Nope, no small pickups.
Over here, the suburban cowboy requires raised suspension, monster truck tires and loud dual chrome plated exhausts. Well, since electric trucks have no exhausts, then 2 loud subwoofers.
Nothing less.

Trucks are a major profit center… but Tesla will need a suite of trucks not a single model.
Suggest an ElCamino-like version of the model Y for efficiency and a lite cargo bed.
Suggest Model S/X drivetrain in a 1/2, 3/4, 1 ton configuration… offer F150 competitor [narrow and tall], F250-350 as pickup and box trucks. 2×2, 2×4 or 4×4. A Sprinter shape for a box truck is good. And a stripped model for mini-buses and custom boxes. Forget the macho front, it will have plenty of power.
Features: raise/lower for driving/loading, power out for electric loads, 200/300/400 miles battery options. Single/dual motor config for torque options.
Start with mid size truck and expand down/up for volume.

I’m not sure it makes sense for Tesla to try covering all possible truck segments: with limited development resources, it would take them quite long to get there — by that time, the various other makers getting on board with electric trucks right now, might actually be able to offer decent ranges too…

I’m amazed that so many people call for an El Camino type vehicle; a car with a short pickup bed welded to the back. If that type of vehicle was really popular, then we would see a lot more similar models. There was the VW Rabbit pickup too… and that didn’t spawn any imitators, either!

If Tesla wants its pickup to sell, then it will make one that actually looks like a pickup — however streamlined — and not like a car that somebody mashed a short pickup bed onto.

Subaru tried to bring back the El Camino form factor, but it didn’t do so well…. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subaru_Baja

Its called a Honda Ridgeline. modern AWD El Camino, perfect for city folks needing a pickup… but how are the sales in that market? Oh ya… Terrible…

It has to be able to drive through a corn field. 🙂
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3EclJDSLLQ

NPNS! SBF!
Volt#671 + BoltEV + Model 3

It’s a good thing that’s his own cornfield….

It should look like a truck and the utility not be overly compromised or sacrificed for the sake of aerodynamics.

Yeah. Make it non-aerodynamic so it has much less range!

Engineering is about compromise. I’m suggesting they should not lean too much towards aerodynamics to sacrifice too much on utility. Also, if you want to win over the traditional truck market buyers, it can’t look like a weirdmobile.

Right. There may be things Tesla can do to reduce aero drag, such as putting a roll-top “tonneau” cover over the bed (see image linked below). But pickup buyers are interested in utility and hauling/towing ability, not maximizing EV range. Sure, there are guys who buy pickups only for their “macho” image and use them only for commuting, but Tesla isn’t going to succeed by aiming only at that market segment. The most successful vehicles are those which aim at the broadest possible market.

http://www.alecstruck.com/assets/images/tcusa-american-roll-tonneau-cover-white-mid-open.jpg

“Tesla isn’t going to succeed by aiming only at that market segment”

It’s worked pretty well so far!

Pass thru opening like the Bollinger truck.

Every time I see that hole I keep thinking it would be a great place to stick slide in a box with a motor out of a BMW I3 REX for when you aren’t carrying 2X4’s.

Bolt in in 10 minutes, for BEV to PHEV / EREV Conversion! Nice!

fasterthanonecanimagine

To me this looks like a Cyborg Dragon 🙂
Reminds me of this one: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2386490/mediaviewer/rm640292608

How about make it cost-competitive with the FU-150/I get your Silverado/CRAMs and watch the laggard, legacy Detroit,
Big in everything but imagination, 2 1/2 crap their pants!

Accessible bed, not stupid high with oversized wheel wells that fill up the truck bed
Bed length should fit a full sized motorbike (zero)
220 output from batteries to recharge that zero, or powertools
Build it so it can also be a van
Side load gates
Fits in standard garage!

What are you americans hauling all the time? Here in Germany we have normal passenger cars, a lot of station wagons, which are sufficient to pull a big trailer or if they are not SUVs. Much more efficient than pickups as you can use them without the trailer. I am not sure how many years have passed since i have seen the last pickup. Why do you really need them? It’s not like all of you guys are hunting elephants all the time.

Their are 2 categories of truck users in US, businesses that actually use their truck’s capacity regularly and owners who rarely use their trucks hauling capacity and instead tend to use them as daily drivers (mostly by commuting solo to their desk jobs) and scream really loudly when fuel prices go up.

So to answer your question, a lot of people (especially the bigly lifted, coal-rolling crowd) are mostly using them to haul their egos around and to compensate for other things they lack.

Pickup trucks here are often used like a van in europe, except all your tools and supplies get wet when it rains, and stolen if you don’t watch it all the time. Most businesses who use a pickup would be much better off with a good van.

“Most businesses who use a pickup would be much better off with a good van.”

So give me a truck I can mount a shell on to covert to a pseudo van.

Good grief. I had a compact Toyota Pickup which I only occasionally used for hauling, not for work, and even I had a lockable watertight box mounted in the bed to carry tools and supplies.

It’s not like that’s a problem without an obvious solution.

Well, here in Berlin, I do see pickups now and again. There are two kinds. The first kind are very utilitarian-looking work machines that are used quite often in gardening, or sometimes in construction and similar lines of work. But there are also a few blingy American-style pickups, which are used for… No idea really. Probably just hauling egos, as someone else suggested?…

Hauling Lattes.

Car and driver magazine once said, and I paraphrase, “the typical American pickup is used mainly to carry AIR”. They are all over sized, overweight, too high to reach into and typically have 4 door cabs and a short bed. They are mostly stupid but are V popular here in the country that elected he who must not be named as supreme leader. My 1995 T-100 pickup (a rare “1 ton” model) is rated to carry 2000 lbs. in the bed; It has a 6000 lb GVW and weighs under 3500 lbs. empty. (The other 500 lbs. is for the occupants of the the cab). It takes 49″x 97″ sheet goods flat inside the bed. It has never failed me in almost 24 years and 150k miles. I can reach things in the bed while standing on the ground and I’m 5′-8″. Before that I had a “1 ton” little Toyota truck. No 4 x 8 bed but it weighed about 2700 or 2800 lb. empty and had a GVW of 5500 lb. It could carry its own empty weight in payload. Now, THAT was a truck. Big new trucks are typically rated to carry about 30-40% of their empty… Read more »

I have lost count of the number of times I have hauled home fixup supplies in my Ranger, mostly lumber and pipe. I added a rack because I got tired of having to red flag things sticking off the end of the 6 foot bed. I can haul drywall by leaving the rear gate open as well. Then that truck does double duty as a camper hauler. I used to have a F350, and liked it, but my 6 cylinder XLT ranger does everything and fits in a normal parking space as well. I am guessing that people in Germany don’t do much home improvement.

Could I rent a truck for the 4-5 times a year when I HAVE to have one? Sure. I doubt that would be more economical than having one, and it would be a hassle.

Where I grew up there were several timesa year that you could not get off our property without a 4wd pickup. We hauled cattle, hay, gravel, sand, heavy equipment,… You needed a mounted hayfork to feed cattle which you can’t do on anything but a pickup. If cattle got loose there were thousands of acres of conservation land most of which was only accessible with a heavy duty truck.

I think Jopp was not talking about farmers…

Well farmers and farm families were the only people which existed at the time in the area. By area, I mean 100 sq km or so. Until recently 1 out of every 20 people in the US used agriculture as a primary source of income. Even after the recent urbanization trend, it is still true for 1 out of every 50.

Sometimes, I have the feeling that many Europeans think of the US in as a string of densely populated areas with voids in between. This is somewhat true as there are US states the size of Germany with the population of Dresden, not to mention Alaska which is its own beast.

Western Europeans, whose countries are crowded with about 10x the average population density of the U.S., don’t realize just how much of the inhabited U.S. counts as “rural” areas, including lots of regions with few paved roads, where pickups are the most practical yet affordable passenger vehicles.

Pulling a big trailer is limited to around 55 MPH in most of Europe (even on the autobahn from what I understand). In the United States you can legally tow at 80 MPH in some places.

Towing stability at high speeds is an exponential function. It requires much more truck to tow at 80 vs. 55 than 55 vs 30.

High towing speeds == big heavy trucks with long wheelbases and wide axles to keep the load straight.

If depending on the weight of the trailer relative to the car you can go 100 km/h with a trailer. Otherwise, the maximum speed is 80 km/h.

I used to haul mulch in my Mercedes wagon in 12 garbage cans and spend the rest of the day doing cleanup.

To add to what Get Real said, there are two classes of American pickup buyers:

1. Those who actually use them as work vehicles, such as construction contractors who put a locking toolbox into the bed, or even larger storage boxes running lengthwise down the sides of the bed, or rural/ farm/ ranch pickup owners who really do need them for hauling bulky stuff such as bales of hay and/or need the high ground clearance for driving off-road on their property.

2. American men who feel insufficiently macho, and drive a “macho” pickup as a regular car, only to bolster their self-image.

Tesla will do best by marketing to both categories of American pickup buyers, not just one or the other.

You Europeans may not really understand just how much the average American’s self-image is tied up in their car… altho lots of people say that is much less so with the younger generations.

Make a convertible version like the Chevy SSR.

Don’t we have enough rednecks racing trucks on public roads already? Design you fricking trucks to haul stuff and be practical work vehicles.

As the saying goes, better red necks than other red parts from self abuse.

Ha! You get a cookie for that one!

Fold-down seating under the truck bed and a way to convert it to an enclosed SUV style.

Or just make a nice van

Um, yeah. Our Chrysler Town-and-Country minivan could haul an uncut sheet of 4 x 8 plywood, so had hauling ability about equal to a long-bed pickup. But you wouldn’t want to toss dirty or scratchy stuff in and out all the time, as you could with a pickup. It had carpet on the floor, not a pickup bed. The T&C minivan had stow-and-go seating in the rear, which was great for quickly converting between hauling people and hauling stuff, but the storage area for those collapsible seats are where a battery pack would go in an EV pickup or minivan.

Pickups are not going to have collapsible seats in the rear as standard equipment. Not even Tesla pickups. If you want a Tesla with lots of seats in the back, buy a Model X.

Another vote for something that is Ford Ranger size and doesn’t look like the Condor electric pickup. I love the idea of being able to use the Tesla Supercharger network but not willing to buy a monster truck to get it. Not really into all the bells and whistles that are found on most of Tesla’s cars either. If the price of Bollinger’s four door model is something I can afford then I doubt I will wait for Tesla.

A modular battery system that would allow you to add 20kwh-100kWh or so for extra towing, or to power a campsite or job site for the day.

Now that is a great practical idea. GO TESLA GO DESTROY DIRTY GAS GUZZLERS AND DIESELS LOL CONNECT THE DOTS ON CLEAN AIR WAKE UP FOLKS thanks co2.earth

The modular battery system would be a great idea, but it would be heavy, meaning the amount you could tow would decrease significantly. You’d have to do some detailed analysis to work out what extra capacity you could get battery wise, while still being a benefit for towing. How much range could a 100kg battery pack give you (that would give most half ton trucks about 1000lb of load for tongue and passengers)?

Agreed. The idea adds complexity and weight. Plus, are you going to store the extra battery in your garage? Are you going to maintain it there (batteries don’t like to be left discharged for long periods of time).

I was picturing rental, the way you would rent a truck at home depot.

Could use it as a Tesla Powerwall for home energy storage.

I would agree if it weren’t for the fact that truck owners already cut their towing capacity by choosing crew-cabs that they don’t have any choice to remove.

Where if you needed the extra towing capacity for a short haul, you could simply NOT choose to have all the modules in the pack mounted. It seems that modular packs would increase flexibility and the ability to maximize for your personal needs.

Pickups have such variable usage scenarios that it’s difficult to consolidate them all into one design, which I guess is why they are so configurable. Many Crewcab owners have them because they have a family, or a work crew where four proper seats are needed. Many pickup owners haul heavy loads short distances, whereas many haul heavy loads long distances. Remember you, your spouse, your kids, your dog and their luggage are also part of the hauling capacity so if you’re towing a big trailer or boat on holiday you may already be at the GVW of a ICE truck. GVW and hauling capacity is something that is going to be tricky to deal with in EV pickups with current EV tech. Batteries are heavy, and 200kwh of batteries are going to be very heavy (maybe 1.5 tonnes+?) unless Tesla have a trick up their sleeve. A modular system would increase that weight, as every module would require extra packaging and materials, increasing the weight further. The idea of a modular system is great, especially if you can just rent a few packs for when you need them, or use them as powerwalls when you don’t, but I don’t forsee… Read more »

Of course, but Tesla seems to thrive on complexity and avoiding the KISS engineering principle. But if you want a pickup capable of towing for any distance, that’s going to mean a huge battery pack you are dragging around, that decreases your cargo carrying capacity and efficiency for everyday use. But if you could have a modular system, then You could drive around town and errands on say 60kWh, and use add up to 140kWh for long range and towing, or for powering a job site. The extra capacity battery could be kept home as energy storage for solar, or power backup.

(⌐■_■) Trollnonymous

+1

It would be rather difficult to use a modular battery pack if it needs to be liquid cooled, and any Tesla vehicle is going to need a liquid cooled battery pack.

Like your liquid cooled laptop battery?

Tesla may not use ultra-finicky NCA forever.

I don’t think it’s reasonable to expect Tesla to abandon liquid cooling for its battery packs until we get radically improved battery cells — perhaps solid-state cells — which have a sufficiently low internal resistance that they don’t overheat when fast-charging or when running the car at top speed for extended periods.

Note that GM uses liquid cooling for its battery packs, too, despite not using the ultra-energy dense chemistry Tesla uses. So does BMW.

Hey, everyone, Elon doesn’t read comments here, you need to use Twitter.

I don’t understand the chrome. I could see a Rhino-liner material for the bumpers, but is chrome that durable? I think parking assist would help out, there.

Standard AWD (Dual Motor) makes perfect sense as this will give a longer range compared to RWD and also offroading capability.
Option for a Top Cover in cargo bay to carry things SECURELY (protection from wind/rain/thieves) and also to increase the VOLUME. This feature is lacking in all pickups.
Option to remove/reinstate the roof of Top Cover to dump soil/mulch …
Will it be possible to mount a generator to charge the vehicle. This could be useful if we haul heavy cargo which could drain the battery very soon.

The best part of this truck is the absence of bonnet; so why not design a car without a bonnet. Of course the wheels take up some space, still there should be plenty of space for the 2 passengers who sit in the front seat. Bonnets take lot of space without adding much functionality.

I love it.

I don’t know what you are talking about, I see a ton of pickups with cargo bed toppers.

Yeah. I guess he’s never seen a pickup with a camper shell on it? Seems odd; they aren’t that rare, and used to be even more common before SUVs came along.

Yes I know the cargo bed toppers, but it will be better if the company that sells pickup itself provides this option. Many people will hesitate to go to after market providers fearing any damage to their vehicle.

With cargo bed topper, the capacity nearly doubles besides providing secure storage from rain/snow.
This way Tesla can also claim the specific volume and this will help the shoppers compare the vehicle with vans for volumetric capacity.

I think they should make an RV at some point. Many good reasons to do so. RV’s suck a lot of gas, they are inefficient. They plug-in already, so that piece is in place. RV’s drivers are sort cultish so once Tesla makes inroads into that culture they could be assured of expanding their market share there.
It would also be a chance to reinvent the RV.

There is no need. Travel trailers don’t care what kind of tow vehicle is used, don’t need any sort of motor maintenance, don’t have issues being left in storage for long periods of time, and are usually easier to drive and corner than an equivalent one piece vehicle because they articulate. RVs are a hybrid that I believe virtually all RV makers, as well as car/truck makers avoid. RV makers take existing trucks from other manufacturers (you can order trucks without the bed or rear section) and car/truck makers that ship RV versions use existing RV makers to finish their products (like Winnebago did the final work on the Eurocamper for VW). They are two different skills. GM does not want to have a cabinet factory.

Well said. Making RVs would be a very poor fit indeed for Tesla Inc. Tesla should stick to making what it makes best, and RV makers should do likewise.

There may be an argument for Tesla making a BEV powertrain for an RV maker, as Tesla made the BEV powertrain for the RAV4. But even that is questionable. Most RVs are driven only rarely, and when they are, they tend to be driven long distances. Being parked most of the time but occasionally driven long distances is a very poor fit for a BEV’s capabilities.

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EV trucks will have to come in all sizes that ICE trucks come in. That will take time.

Tesla’s Secret Plan has been to go big and $$$ first, then work down. The reality is that with car makers selling $100K+ Full Size trucks, they have thrown the door open for Tesla to build a truck that competes in that space, and then work down from there. Tesla has to prove that EV trucks won’t be weak, the way they proved EV cars don’t have to be slow glorified golf carts. It is much easier for Tesla to build a truck that completes in that price range than it is to compete against something like a Toyota Tacoma or Chevy Colorado with a $20-$25K base price.

I know plenty of folks won’t like this, but I fully expect their first truck to be built to out-truck the big 3 full size trucks at the top of the price range. Tesla probably won’t limp into the market with an updated version of Ford’s old original Ranger EV. I’m afraid small to midsize truck buyers are likely going to have a Model 3 like wait.

That makes sense; it also fits with Elon’s comments about a Tesla Pickup being a cut-down version of the Tesla Semi Truck.

Thanks for your insightful comments, Nix!

Get fleet buyers interested and design will be less important than economy. The fuel savings could be quite significant for companies if dump trucks and similar building site/construction vehicles were electric. Not a “real” pickup, but more akin to what we see in that sketch.

What they learn could then be used in a more consumer/light industry variant to take on Ford/GM and Ram.

Tesla does best with status-conscious buyers who want to go green without compromises. Fleets don’t really meet that criteria. The exception is consumer goods companies who can green-ify their brand, but they don’t usually buy pickups.

Musk is going the opposite direction, building an EV monster truck.

You nailed it, Nix. Tesla pickup will be designed to out-do and out-bling the top of the line 4×4 from Ford and Chevy. They’ll announce it at $40k but the base version won’t be available “at first”, only the 85k+ long range premium version with tow package and truck lift gate.

I want a 4cab version.

One thing I have not seen anyone mention: I think as a work truck it should have two way electric power, so that one could run several power tools and lights off of it.

I don’t know what Tesla is planning in the truck space but I hope it is not another behemoth for people to drive to and from work and the grocery store as the trucks they have now are already ridiculously large to the point they are just about a hazard for driving small cars around them…
And I also certainly hope it does not do 0 to 60 in 3 seconds like that is what some worker needs??
If they make some performance behemoth truck we can pretty much say they are not a green company out to save the environment and are simply green washing for cash…
Even then though I would still like their cars and company better than others…

Before anything else, even before the goal of saving (or at least helping) the environment, Tesla must make vehicles that people will actually buy. If Tesla needs to enter the pickup market by offering an oversized pickup to rival the largest Dodge RAM truck, then that’s what it should do. Offering a truck with similar size and capabilities as the smallish Ford Ranger EV isn’t going to do any good if Tesla has to price it as high as a huge Dodge RAM truck, because then nobody would buy it.

More modest sized, more energy-efficient, less expensive pickups can come later, just as the original Tesla Roadster eventually lead to the (much more energy efficient) Tesla Model 3.

A compact or modest-sized, energy-efficient pickup that’s very “green,” but priced so high nobody will buy it, won’t reduce our use of fossil fuels at all.

The full size pickup market is the most brand loyal segment of any product on the planet. New features are the key to winning over die hard truck owners as the majority don’t care about fuel economy or the environment. Just look at Ford’s upcoming F150 PHEV – I spent time with the marketing crew at the car show and they made it very clear that this is NOT a fuel economy play – it’s about adding a “built-in” generator to power worksites, camper trailers, etc
And it WILL have to be fast. Not for practical reasons but to make the “HEMI… sweet!” crew regret their “slow truck” purchase.

Hopefully they can give it 10,000lb towing capacity, a 200kWh battery good for 300 miles of range(not towing of course), support 240kW Supercharger. I am wondering if one could still practically charge a 200kWh car at home, which my become important soon, seeing as the new Roadster will have a 200kWh battery. Though, I suppose, with Urban Superchargers, this will not be an issue when the Pickup is in production, there will be enough Urban Superchargers to charge almost everywhere. Any place not served by an Urban Supercharger or just a Supercharger, will likely have CHAdeMO by the time Pickup is available(assuming Pickup and Roadster can use the CHAdeMO adapter)

Well of course you’ll be able to charge a 200 kWh BEV at home. You don’t have to fully charge a BEV every single night, any more than you have to fill up a gasmobile’s tank every time you visit the gas station.

Someone using a large BEV pickup for work purposes, hauling heavy loads or driving long distances every day, might need a more powerful daily charger than L2 charging can provide. But commercial operators can put in more powerful chargers at their vehicle fleet parking lots or depots. They’re not necessarily restricted to typical residential power levels.

No reason they can’t charge with two L2 chargers (240/30), or upgrade to a 240/60 outlet. That will easily get you to the recommended daily limit of 80% on a 200KWh pack.

Elon Musk said:

“Seems like the rear gate should rotate on a four bar linkage & drop down to the ground or close. Kinda like some big trucks have.”

I wonder what that means. Perhaps something like this?

http://thiemantailgates.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/TVL-30-Drawing-Box.jpg

That would be awesome GO TESLA GO DESTROY DIRTY GAS GUZZLERS AND DIESELS LOL CONNECT THE DOTS ON CLEAN AIR WAKE UP FOLKS thanks co2.earth

That’s what it sounds like, powered by the battery. Problems with the linkage vendor will cause an 18 month delay 🙂

Oh, a (powered) lift gate? Well that would be nice!

Admire the work of Tesla team, keep gong Elon!
What about a Tesla 4×4 atv that can be charged on / and from the pickup?

Assuming Tesla has success in this space GM, Ford and Ram will finally need to get serious about EVs or watch their cash cow get milked dry. As others have noted, the US pickup truck market is really two markets: The business and consumer markets. For the former, total cost of ownership matters so an aerodynamic efficient truck with low running costs would do fine. For the latter, styling seems to matter a lot. Ford tried making the F150 more aerodynamic in the 1990s and the consumer market punished them. If Tesla goes too far down the aerodynamic path I suspect they will have a hard time in the consumer market unless “fashion” suddenly changes.

Ultimately, you are correct about the risk to the cash cow.
But for the next decade, the incumbents could easily play the price card and keep volumes very high. As a pickup truck owner, I can tell you that most in the community think an electric pickup is a cruel joke. They’ll come around eventually but it won’t happen fast.

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“400 to 500 Miles”

Wow

What will then be the Battery Pack Capacity (in kWh)?

200 kWh battery pack?

For an empty truck (no load, no trailer), that range could be done with 150KWh pack assuming ~ 55mph max speed. Drag is brutal at high speeds on a pickup.
With moderate non-aero trailer (such as a boat), it would need 200KWh pack.
For a very large load (like pulling a large tractor on a float) it might need 250+KWh pack.
Of course while towing, speed should be moderate.

Rivian will have their truck at the LA show in November. Tesla definitely not going to be alone in the EV truck market by time they get to market.

I would love to be able to carry 12′ (or 14′, or 16′) long 2×12’s INSIDE the truck with the tailgate closed.

It needs to fit 4’x8′ sheets in the bed.

It needs a way to hook a ramp up into the bed, so you can load a garden tractor, or a motorcycle.

Judging by the drawing, this will be a monster of a car, and not drivable in Europe, if it can even be homologated. Like pickup trucks in general, it’s a car for rednecks…

That’s not what Tesla’s pickup will look like, nor the actual size. It’s just a concept drawing/ render made for Tesla by modifying an early “artist’s concept” render of the Tesla Semi Truck.

I think the “pickup inside a pickup” render is meant to be taken more as a joke than anything else.

I suspect Musk may be focused primarily on commercial truck applications, either with box or flat bed, the latter with and without cutaway options, eg Ford commercial truck type offerings. Consider all the trucks used by utilities, telcos, cable companies, emergency services etc which have custom assembled storage on the back of a truck frame. He may include FedEx and UPS as targets too. This customer base will be much more focused on ROI than most consumer buyers. Its presumably why all the current commercial truck and van conversions from the likes of Zenith, Motiv, Workhorse etc are focused in that space. The US commercial space also isn’t likely to care about cab-over designs either since it already buys Mitsubishi Fuso and Isuzu albeit in a larger truck class. Once you get outside the US, cab-over say in Europe and Asia is very common in commercial vehicles large and small.

If musk does to the F-150 what he’s done to the 5-series, Ford better look for a new product strategy. What good is making them efficiently, if nobody wants them?

Hope Tesla names their pickup the *T150 Silver Ram*😜

And should say super duper duty on the back