Musk: Tesla Enters Car Carrier Building Biz To Speed Model 3 Deliveries

SEP 24 2018 BY ERIC LOVEDAY 155

It’s a logistical nightmare to deliver all these loads of Model 3s, but Musk thinks he has a solution.

Tesla is running out of car carriers as it attempts to deliver the Model 3 at a breakneck pace, so CEO Elon Musk has turned a portion of Tesla into car carrier builders. Brilliant solution to a problem.

Here’s the Tweet revealing Tesla’s newest manufacturing gig:

Turns out that delivering Model 3s in such a high volume requires some creative thinking. And Musk is certainly known for thinking outside the box.

All eyes are on Tesla this month as the automaker pushes to deliver more Model 3 than in any single month in the past. It’s make or break time now and when a problem such as a car carrier shortage presents, you can bet Tesla will have a solution.

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Please have those towed by Tesla Semis… yeah there’s only a handful of prootypes, but what a selliing point it would be.

Seriously, if they are going to build car carriers it would be an amazing feat if they build a few more prototype semis and used them to move Tesla cars around. Talk about proof of concept. Even if they did it with just 1 or 2, it would be great story.

As nice as that would be, the point is reducing delivery delays, not potentially introducing additional ones by using not yet proven prototypes…

“….CEO Elon Musk has turned a portion of Tesla into car carrier builders.”

Building car carriers?

Where will they do that?

The Fremont vehicle plant was already packed. There was no free space left. Right?

(⌐■_■) Trollnonymous

Another tent will popup……..LMAO

It’s not hard to rent empty warehouse space. It’s not like there will be an assembly line, this is so niche that they are all hand-built.

Weld them in the parking lot and spray them with cans. Easy.

Uh, if you’re building a car carrier, you can afford to buy a decent paint sprayer.

Painting is overrated 😉

They can probably build them at SpaceX facilities.

If they can get past the regulatory requirements.. they do have the cheapest raw materials costs, and possibly even some spare welding robots.. would be good practice for them to build the truck frames! 🙂

If they’re really doing it in-house, potentially at GF1, it points to Semi capability coming soon. Or, they could have just made a custom order.

What? Do what other car manufacturers do, put them on trains. They have train tracks right to their property. Cost per vehicle is a fraction of truck for long hauls.

You are correct. Google Maps shows 6 vehicle loading rail spurs at the Freemont plant. While the photo shows no trains in this loading yard, that could simply be a fluke. They seem to have the capability, I wonder if they are taking advantage of it? How can they not be? You can not ship vehicles to the east coast by truck, can you? They must be going by train.

Rumor is UP ripped out the Fremont plant rail spurs because Musk was impossible to deal with.

Yeah, sure, a railway company removing spurs on a customers property. That’s about as possible and legal as Uncle Sam coming to Texas and taking away the guns from private citizens…
Only thing that a railway company could do is let contracts for use expire and then simply refuse service afterwards. But they can’t remove spurs that are not on their own property.

There are multiple ways it could be legal. We don’t know the contract details. We only know the tracks are gone.

First you say ‘Rumor is’, then in your next post you say ‘We only know’. Less unsubstantiated junk, more links to evidence please.

Rumour has it Tesla is going bankrupt within months… For the past ten years.

But sure, let’s talk about rumours as if they had any actual relevance.

AFAIK some of the on-site railtracks used for loading at the Nummi plant have been removed recently, partially to set up the sprung-structure a.k.a. “famous tent”. Train cars suitable for car transport are limited in numbers as well, and the distribution centers don’t have direct rail access, so you still need a significant amount of semi-trailers, in addition to personnel unloading and reloading them close to the final destination. Two more steps that can cause a potential screw up and result in damage to the vehicle.

The “famous” sprung structure was actually built on an existing parking lot… The tracks that were in the way have been removed before. (Not sure how long, though.)

Actually it’s Sprung Structures, as it is a Brand name. A company based in Calgary Canada.

Tesla does not have distribution points on rail spurs. Another oversight of not understanding how auto assembly works. Fremont when it was a Toyota plant shipped by rail for a reason.

Because they didn’t have delivery deadlines. They could take their sweet time to load them onto rails and send them to hubs to be unloaded again to be loaded back onto trucks to be taken to their final destination, to sit on a dealer lot for months while sales people and special deal advertisements struggle to sell them all.

“You can not ship vehicles to the east coast by truck, can you?”

Well of course you can. In fact, you can arrange for your own car to be carried that way, if needed. We’ve seen some reports of people arranging to buy an EV in California, because they’re easy to find there, and having it shipped to their State.

But it’s not very economical to carry cars coast-to-coast on a truck. Yes, Tesla does use trains for long-distance, cross-country transportation. Sadly, my Google-fu fails to find any pictures 🙁 Here’s a discussion thread, altho it’s not very interesting:

https://model3ownersclub.com/threads/how-are-teslas-shipped-to-the-east-coast.5617/

If I go to trucking company directly instead of a booking agent it is only a few hundred to have a car shipped from LA to Iowa (2000 miles). As long as you are on a major trucking route it is fairly cheap.

When I took delivery of my 3 in Nashville, delivery was delayed by a couple days because the tractor broke down while towing the car trailer. FWIW.

Those finicky ICEs break down all the time.

Reportedly they are suing rail, but not directly from Fremont.

I suspect the fact that Tesla (mostly) builds to order results in needing large buffer areas to match up cars with trains going to the right destinations, which the Fremont facility doesn’t have enough space for…

There’s only so many rail cars and they just don’t sit around empty waiting for Elon.

The Google Maps photo seems to show dozens and dozens of railroad auto carriers (white tops) sitting in the yard next to the plant. Perhaps they are all filled with vehicles?

I’m sure the naysayers will try to tell us that’s just coincidence. 😉

Yeah, it almost makes me miss DG, s/

The loading & unloading of cars on traincars is non trivial. With car-carriers, you just literally drive the car onto the car carrier.

Yes. And then you have to move the thing away from the ramp, drive it a certain distance over a switch, then couple an empty one to load at the end and return (over the switch) to the ramp. Requires some people to do so and the ramp sits empty in the meantime. Truck trailers can be loaded faster, because you are not limited by number of rail spurs, all you need is a parking lot and a few decent drivers. Theoretically, you can do 50 or 100 trucks at once, provided you have that many drivers.

In Europe those car carriers are connected between wagons, so you can drive all the way through over several wagons.

Same here. Car carriers are drive through.

Which is fine when you have all the time in the world to get those vehicles to a dealer lot where they will sit for months anyway.

Really funny. Tesla was supposed to be making (and supposedly also delivering) 5k cars a week 6-9 months ago. Now Elon keeps coming up with new excuses everyday in the last week. Does he have any credibility left? Next thing you know, he will point to road congestion as an issue and will start digging direct tunnels to each customer’s home. 🙂
Let’s see the excuses he has come up with so far:
1. Logistics is a mess. Takes full payment but doesn’t deliver the car.
2. Not enough delivery staff. So ases owners cum shareholders for free labor. But laid off 10% of people just last quarter, stiffing many of their commissions.
3. Now not enough car carriers. Of course, back and forth to storage lots requires more than necessary.

Yet he sends his employees to hand deliver each car with 1+ hr drive one way. How does it make it more efficient?

What will be next?
The real bottleneck is of course the lack of customers at these high prices, for which he has rightly started placing bundles of cash on the hoods.

LMAO at how stupid you sound “TeslaInvestors”

Just one look at the EV scorecard shows you are nothing more then a whining, serial anti-Tesla liar who probably doesn’t even drive an EV.

The Sore Loser like all the other Shorts & trolls , won’t give up with the Negative CRY BABY Bull Sh!t …..His Kinda Sh!t is 0Ld Sh!t that will Not Stop Tesla ! It’s Full Steam ahead for Tesla & The Stupid Idiot Shorts that Bet against Tesla Are Now “GRASPING AT STRAWS”

It’s called “astroturfing”…

Dude, you’ve become a self-parody of a serial Tesla basher. You’re the laughing-stock of InsideEVs comments, do you realize that?

The only thing your comments show is how very worried and desperate you are about your “short” investment. Do yourself a favor; sell it off, and save yourself the stress.

There’s no way that just a few days ago Tesla decided to build careers. There are a lot of logistics behind this that required planning months ago. Tesla needs a design, suppliers for each & every part, prototypes built and tested, etc. The list goes on & on of what’s involved in pulling this off.

I’m surprised Tesla wasn’t able acquire the careers they needed months ago, new or used. Tesla is a disruptive company, so who knows what kind of nonsense is taking place.

Tesla Model-3 sold 17,800 units in August to end up as #5 selling car in USA. That’s by units, if you see the sales by value, then Model-3 is #1 since each unit has price tag of $50,000 + while the #2 Camry had $25,000 price tag. Hope that is enough to show they are serious about making & selling.

I suspect Teslainvestor is actually one or more of IEV’s staff members. On slow days they have fun taking turns writing the stupidest most inane things that come to mind just to get a reaction out of us. Could anyone really be that ignorant/stupid?

Much thanks for to IEV staff for going above and beyond the call of duty.

Your argument is weak. It’s like saying “I know that they are the first company to make personal jetpacks that can fly you to space and back but they’re such liars and have no credibility because they said they would be making 5,000 space-jetpacks a week 6 months ago. Only now 6 months later are people getting their space-jetpacks and they are only making 4,000 a week.” Go bitch about something that really matters.

One trainload per day will meet the need for 5000/7-day wk.

Rail can move large numbers of vehicles efficiently. Specially designed rail cars called auto racks have two or three decks and can carry up to 20 vehicles, although the average is around 12 units. Two-deck auto racks usually carry trucks and large SUVs while three-deck auto racks carry cars. A dedicated auto-transport train with 70 auto racks can therefore carry more than 800 vehicles [source: CSX]. The average rail journey for a new car is about 1,300 miles [source: Lowe].

https://auto.howstuffworks.com/under-the-hood/auto-manufacturing/auto-transport2.htm

On important point missing: The train transports the vehicles to one final destination. Sure, you can decouple a few train cars under way, but this is additional effort. Send one train to the east coast, it will take at least two days to get there from California if driving non stop, some time to unload the 800 cars and two days to return. In order to load these 4-5 days production, you need 4-5 additional trains, that don’t grow on trees, but cost money to rent.

Tesla could have a auto train come in front California to the Science Museum of Virginia which is a old 1919 train station that has a large parking that the tracks run though to drop of EV’s.

What Tesla could do is have a large EV day at the Science Museum of Virginia and have 200 to 500 people come and pick up their Teslas in Richmond while showing off EV’s.

At the same time they would be using the Science Musem’s train station’s old railroad tracks to unload electric cars.

no trains don’t go to one destination. trains go through their routes and yards where cars are taken off and put on depending the destination

It doesn’t quite work like that. A train could leave Tesla daily in route to a hub in say Chicago, Texas, New York, Carolinas where they would be unloaded and taken to their final destination. The trains on their way back would be carrying cars from the east back the west.

Trains are slow too (still have to truck it from train). Truck is quick but more costly per car. Trains work great when you store cars on a lot in volume.

trains cost less money

Didn’t Elon say the Semi would bring trucking costs down to about the same as rail? That sounds like what Tesla should be doing, build some more semis and price their point.

Musk doesn’t always tell the complete truth. It would be hard for a semi to be cheaper than a 50-100 railcar train.

Yep. Via dealer lots where there is no rush to get them there in the first place. They will sit out on the dealer lot for months waiting to be foisted upon an unsuspecting customer by the dealer sales staff.

Sure hope this doesn’t impact M3 production. I do feel confident that they didn’t do this on a whim, must have looked into renting, leasing and buying trailers before deciding best course of action was to build their own. Do you think this is temporary, or will Tesla now get into the trailer making business to sell variations (flat bed etc.) to other companies?

If Musk gets his way they’ll definitely disrupt trailermaking, ha!

Fullly autonomous car trailers!!!

I do not believe they will sell trailers to others. That is not part of the mission, and a trailer is basically really simple compared to an EV. But the trailers will be customized for best loading and unloading Tesla vehicles, and likely have a high ROI when compared to leasing or buying elsewhere. Especially with all trailers standardized, the cars can use summon like feature and load themselves. That would be cool.

I doubt it will actually save costs in the long run… Pretty sure they are just working around a temporary bottleneck.

There are 15 (maybe 16 now) factories in the US producing more than 250,000 cars a year. They seem to be able to ship them without “delivery hell”, without stories on news sites and probably without building their own car carriers.
Sounds like Tesla simply wasn’t prepared to drink their own kool-aid.

Yeah, I’m sure the whole ramp up at Tesla is super easy. Likely they’ve simply decided to complicate manufacturing and delivery of thousands of cars per week simply to keep from getting bored. It’s unfortunate that obviously Tesla execs don’t read InsideEV’s comment section, because without question if they did they’d be hounding you for solutions.

Yeah but it’s not like they didn’t know it was coming, it’s called planning!

I agree, how could you not see that coming!
That is a very big mistake that could prevent them from making profit in Q3, that would be pretty bad. The fact that they are rushing to get those car out is probably a sign that they will barely be profitable (if).

Fair point. Some of Tesla’s bottlenecks, such as the paint shop bottleneck, do seem to be entirely predictable, and it is troublesome that Tesla didn’t have a solution for these problems in advance.

This is one of the reasons why I say Elon needs to delegate more authority at Tesla. If he wasn’t trying to personally oversee everything, perhaps these entirely predictable production and delivery bottlenecks wouldn’t become crises.

Hindsight is 20/20. Clearly, these were *not* entirely predictable issues. Part of good planning is addressing the issues that are most likely to become bottlenecks, rather than just throwing money at anything that *might* be a problem down the road… Of course some issues will turn out more of a problem than anticipated. That’s just how it is.

You are talking as if Elon is insisting on doing everything himself. That’s nonsense. Form what I can see, he generally only gets involved personally when there is a problem, because those he delegated to weren’t able to resolve issues in time without his involvement…

Actually, most of these things are predictable. Outside of building packs with 1000’s of cells, inverters, and motors the rest of this is just car building. If you had plains to build X cars a day every part of the process needs to be able to handle X cars a day. It’s all supply chain and logistics planning.

And yet unforeseen problems come up all the time…

And *not* only at Tesla. It’s just they do not get publicised like that elsewhere.

In case you haven’t noticed, the whole production ramp proved impossible to plan out reliably. That’s what happens when trying to go to six times their previous total production within a year.

There is such thing as incompetence. No company is immune to it. And, yes, there’s indeed such thing as planning and hiring proper execs at proper time with proper background (rather than letting them go without a vetted substitute). There is such thing as being over-stretched, as well.

With billions at stake for the shorts, I would not be surprised if some people aware of Tesla’s last month of the quarter efforts would try to rent trailers a plenty just so Tesla could not have access to them at all or would be forced to pay a premium for the remaining lot.

That’s taking conspiracy theory to the next level.

“Never attribute to conspiracy, that which can be explained by incompetence.” -unknown

Seems to be a variant on “Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.” — Hanlon’s Razor

But yeah, the idea that there are fiendish villains out there cackling gleefully as they maliciously rent car carriers just to frustrate Tesla… I think that’s carrying the conspiracy theories a bit far.

Never say never?

How about the fact that the factories you use in comparison have mostly been in existence longer than the Tesla board members have been alive? You’re comparing apples to anvils.

I cannot agree with that, it’s not like the place is filed with boy scout. They do have peoples with a lot of experience and somebody failed miserably.

Yes, a lot of people “failed miserably” in a various places during the whole production ramp. When trying to scale up such a complex operation to six times their previous output within 1 1/2 years, that’s pretty unavoidable.

The problem isn’t scaling the problem is changing the process as it scales which introduces more problems while scaling. Most auto manufactures would scale a well-understood process. You would understand your bottlenecks and have contingencies for scaling those processes.

Tesla plan for scaling sounds like they wanted to add some robots to automate and turn the dial to 11.

Scaling efficiently necessarily involves increasing automation. They just overdid it, because of the extremely ambitious goals…

Every one of those factories manufacture for stocking at distribution hubs and dealerships inventory. A typical F-150 that is manufactured at the Rouge River will not be sold for two months or so.

“There are 15 (maybe 16 now) factories in the US producing more than 250,000 cars a year. ”

And in the entire world, there is only one auto maker of any significant size which is more than doubling its production in a single year… or ramping up production anywhere near that fast.

Amazingly enough, in the real world when you are increasing production far faster than anybody else is, you run into certain logistical problems.

I hate statistics like this. If I build 1 car this year and 2 next year I’ve doubled by efficiency. If I product 250k cars this year I’m not going to double easily. And depending on the plant it might make more sense to build another plant in a different location that has the same capacity.

This is pure nonsense, the fact that you got so many upvotes shows the quality of discourse on this site(very low). Many other automakers have more than doubled their productions in a single year. What do you think happens when they build a new factory in a new location?

Volvo just built a new factory in Charleston(their first factory in the US) that’s planned to produce 150,000 hybrid/EV cars a year. They will ramp up from 0 to 150,000 cars in only 3 years, with the plant projected to reach full capacity by 2021. Wanna bet they won’t have any self-inflicted logistical issues like Tesla is having?

These problems are entirely predictable and entirely due to incompetence. There’s nothing revolutionary about shipping cars via truck. Tesla doesn’t even account for 1% of annual US car sales yet.

Quality of discourse is not improved by disparaging remarks.

Building a new factory is *not* the same as massively scaling total production across the company in a short time. Tesla’s future factories will ramp production much smoother.

Yeah, they should have booked extra carriers in advance back in 2017, in the hope of production bottlenecks suddenly going away any day now — that sure would helped profitability…

You can literally just buy carriers off the market, there are thousands available at any given time. Elon claims there are plenty of trucks, just not enough carriers.

Yeah, sure, they are just doing it for fun, not because they ran into an actual shortage…

They are having to build out a strategy that gets their cars from the production line directly to their customers as quickly as possible since these are all preordered reserved vehicles. This is unlike what any other factory has to deal with. Surely by now after frequenting these discussions for years you understand the difference between Tesla’s business model vs. every single other traditional automaker that makes use of franchised dealers. These other factories don’t have “delivery hell” because they need only to get their vehicles from the production line to the dealership lots in a reasonable amount of time since a majority of these vehicles will just sit on the lots for months anyway until the dealers can push them out through aggressive sales techniques. Dealers, far in advance, schedule their allotments from the manufacturer every quarter. The factories then know exactly how many vehicles will be going where and when. When you special order a car from a dealer you will have to wait until the next allotment the following quarter (if you get your order in before their allotment is full otherwise, try another dealer) unless there is one in stock already at another dealer that matches… Read more »

Availability???

NUMMI was shoveling ~450k a year and was able to get them out of bay area.
It could be affordability (1.200k, on average, apparently can’t deliver the car anywhere in US any longer), incompetence, or even anti-Tesla conspiracy, everything here is more plausible than the availability. Short term availability (next 30 days) maybe, but longer term I am inclined to call it.

The worst Tesla’s mistake is involving customers into this mess. Vins assignments/reassignments/appointments/ rescheduled appointments (some people report 4 re-schedules).

Just don’t set up an appointment until you know the car would be there — or at least has been shipped. People can wait a little longer. But nothing is more frustrating than wasted time. There are tons of cases when Tesla doesn’t even have a courtesy of calling an cancelling the appointment.

(⌐■_■) Trollnonymous

“NUMMI was shoveling ~450k a year and was able to get them out of bay area.”

So then all those delivery trucks used at NUMMI should’ve ben waiting for Tesla to ramp up?
No, they moved on and left for work. Now Tesla just needs to get some back for the work.

well, that’s what i am saying — they are still available perhaps across the industry. Just somebody needs to call them up. After all, who knew 3 months ago that Tesla would be shipping 5k a week in September :). nah. that would file under incompetence, not availability. The proper excuse would then be something along the lines “we were so not sure when we’d be shipping and how much that we failed to book the transport in proper counts”.

That was decades ago. That infrastructure is long gone. Plus the conventional automakers have a much larger distribution infrastructure of distribution centers and dealerships where cars are stored. Tesla is delivering many straight to customers.

I made this same point above as well as others. It is blindingly obvious that there is a difference between Tesla’s business model of direct from factory delivery and the traditional allocation slow boat to dealer lot model. I don’t know why we are even having to have this conversation and why you and others making this point get downvoted.

Ask any major automaker to begin overnight taking 100% of their orders as custom configuration orders from customers and deliver 100% of their daily production capacity directly to their dealers since 100% of their customers are waiting at the other end for their cars, yesterday. See how they handle that ramp up.

Yes, short-term availability is obviously the issue here.

How do you think they could have avoided the problems, without creating even larger ones? You talk as if it was easy, but it’s not. If it was easy, there would be no problem.

i feel like its not rigth to have a gas powered truck tow a electric car. telsa should do something about it. Because after all its all about branding

That’s why they are developing the Semi. Have patience, for now you get a Tesla trailer as a first step.

I remember when I was living in Western Germany 15 years ago, Volvo had a program to pick up your car at the factory. They will pay for 2 people to fly in to Gotenberg and pay for 1 night hotel. You had to drive the car back. They’ll also give you a tour of the factory. If Tesla can do this and cover the expense with the destination fee, they’ll probably get alot of takers.

I would really love to do something like that if I ever got a new Tesla.

They tried. There are sales tax issues.

Yes, California wants to collect full California sales tax on any car delivered inside of California, even from the factory.

That actually would make a lot of sense. After all, if you consider what it costs to ship a car, that’s probably cheaper to do. Alternatively. If they are charging a delivery fee like most dealers do, they could simply NOT charge that fee for people who pickup the car at the factory, thus evening things out.

That would be even harder to schedule than normal deliveries; and they simply don’t have the space at Fremont to do this at any meaningful scale.

Those type of programs (most luxury carmakers have them) come out more-or-less break even. Yes, the carmaker saves the shipping cost and some of the dealer profit margin, but have to pay for hotel, sometimes flights, and significantly, admin overhead to run the program (not cheap at all). There are also usually tours of the brand’s museum, lectures by apparent-senior execs etc.
The main reason carmakers do it is marketing — buyers who’ve bought this way tend to become much more brand-loyal, since they feel they received special treatment.

if anyone of you guys saw that the top two most talked about car companies are Ford and Tesla. It would be great if they had collaboration, because one this could help ford later in the future if they are with tesla on there electric cars. and two this could help tesla make a little more money because a lot of people like buying fords which would bring alot more sales to Tesla motors.

The study did not say what they were talked about.
Guess which company got counted posts like “that darn thing uses so much more gas than advertised”

Also, why would Tesla collaborate with Ford? Ford has nothing to offer tech-wise, has serious debt and has pissed off Elon by demanding the Model E name. In a few years, Tesla will offer a pick-up truck (I have zero doubt that will be awesome like the rest of the line-up) and start taking premium customers from Ford. If Ford has no compelling counter offer at that time, it won’t be easy. All it takes for one of the large ICE makers to go down is a loss of 15-20% sales YOY. .

Hmmm, it wasn’t “most talked about”; it was “most often mentioned in Twitter posts.” But what are people tweeting about regarding Ford? Probably the fact that Ford has announced that it won’t make any more “cars”.

Tesla has no good reason to hitch its wagon to a falling star. But perhaps they’ll be picking up the pieces if Ford starts selling off its auto assembly plants and other factories.

I wish Tesla success, but they truly do always appear not to think about what’s the next step until they get there.

I mean it’s like, we built them, now we need to ship them? Duh.

Hopefully who ever is traffic manager there quits or resigns and they hire some talent.

This shouldn’t even be an article, let alone news. Just shows serious lack of planning and execution.

They learn as they go
That is why that had so many bottleneck
logistic, paint shop and now delivery; they wait until they hit a wall.
I love Elon and Tesla, but obviously they lack somebody who know how manufacturing works.

Please Elon find an experience guy to take care of that part and just bring your new ideas

You think they are only hiring rookies who have never seen a car factory? Don’t be silly. They have plenty of people who know how car manufacturing works. They do however lack people who know how to smoothly deal with output increasing from ~100,000 to ~300,000 (running rate) in less than a year — because nobody has done that in in a century!

Those with car experience told Musk in May 2016 the right way to ramp model 3 with PPAP, pre-production tooling, etc. All standard stuff, but it wouldn’t meet Musk’s desired schedule so he fired them, leaving only yes men. Leading to production hell, then delivery hell.

No doubt that insisting on that breakneck pace was what cause the majority of the problems. Still probably worth it, though.

As for firing and yes men, I call BS on that.

That’s because other companies know better. You don’t do that type of increase without planning a year in advance. So if I planned on going from 100k – 300k next year I would have already made those plans by the beginning of this year. Also, you would do it in phases. Tesla’s trying to do it on the fly and it taking longer and costing more to implement.

They did plan in advance — but not everything is predictable.

It’s taking longer than hoped for; but still faster than others would do it. No regrets.

Not only that but unlike the traditional manufactures Tesla knows beforehand where they need to be delivered to since they were ordered. What benefit does Tesla have again not having dealerships?

Customer satisfaction.

Why can’t Tesla EVER seem to plan for the obvious?

Because when the plan involves working with other companies, it often does not works out. Look at the Model X falcon wing doors, the first battery line for the Model 3, and the 3rd party body shops. All of those things were done poorly by companies that were supposed to know what they are doing but in the end, they had to be completely redone by Tesla.

Yep, the sad part is these were companies supposedly ‘experienced’ in automotive production.

That’s rather one-sided. I’m pretty sure it was InsideEVs’ own Jay Cole who reported that Tesla waited until the last minute before requesting designs and samples of a falcon-wing door actuator from potential suppliers. If Tesla had made that request in a more timely manner, there would have been time to deal with the failure of the first sample, and time for the alternative to be put into production.

I’m also far from convinced that it was the installer who should bear most of the blame for the failed Model 3 battery pack production line. One report had it that Tesla engineers were arguing with the installer over how the line should be set up.

The fact that I’m a strong fan of Tesla doesn’t blind me to the fact that they seem to be lurching from crisis to crisis. I’m glad Tesla’s board recently promoted some executives there to more prominent positions, because it’s increasingly clear that Elon’s micro-management style is a worse and worse fit to Tesla as it grows. If Elon can’t delegate authority and share responsibility, then he needs to be replaced as CEO.

They are going “from crisis to crisis” because of super aggressive timelines. If they’d just take it slow, everything would go much smoother — but that wouldn’t align with their mission to accelerate the transition to sustainable transport. (Nor the shareholders’ hopes for grabbing a large chunk of market share…)

It’s not a result of Musk’s leadership style; it’s a result of their ambitions — and Musk is probably better than anyone at resolving the crises *inevitably* resulting from these ambitions.

Sorry, I give Musk credit for many things, but not for half-solving unnecessary crises of his own making.

Actual auto engineers at Tesla had a sound plan using proven methods to start Model 3 production at the end of 2017 and ramp it by mid year. Musk told them to skip steps and fired the ones who objected.

They’d be making more cars today had they stuck work the original plan than Musk’s “I know best” disaster.

Really? Do you know that? How?

Being aggressive doesn’t mean you don’t plan or have contingencies. Being aggressive normally means you have to plan even more because there is no slack in the schedule for problems.

Third party body shop can’t fix it if they can’t get parts, that problem falls back to Tesla . Elon just recently admitted they were doing lousy job in replacement body parts to body shops and just picking off the quick stuff for their own shops doesn’t really cure that problem, kinda half ass solution at best.

Sure, like planning for “the obvious” never fails for anyone else…

I’ve heard there a few second hand German car transporters going cheap 🙂

Straight from the plant to the delivery centers. People seem to forget the meaning of time constraints. Tesla is NOT going to load up rail cars to be taken somewhere and have them sit for two weeks, only to have to be delivered via carrier anyway. Many have waited quite a while and want their cars yesterday and Tesla wants to realize as much revenue as possible this quarter. The quickest way to achieve this is in-plant or direct deliveries and straight truck to a site.

Tesla certainly does use trains for some long-distance transportation of its new cars. That doesn’t alter the fact that as the number of deliveries grows, they need more and more car carrier trucks to fill in the gaps. After all, trains never provide the last few miles of transportation to the destination; that’s always done by truck.

It’s not a question of needing more railroad cars or more trucks; it’s a matter of needing more railroad cars and more trucks.

We own a Bolt. Tell Elon I will fly out to California, and drive one back to a customer on the east coast for free, just for the experience of being able to do a road trip in an EV.

A customer who doesn’t mind 3000 miles on his new car.

Perfect opportunity for the Tesla Semi.

Time to innovate another industry that has been stagnant for decades. Trains can get the vehicles to central hubs for delivery to ‘stores’, but car carriers are necessary to get them from the train to the store. With some car carriers delivering the cars from the factory to stores with shorter distances.

As a few people said, it would be great to see Tesla using the autonomous Semi to pull a Tesla car carrier, with brake regen and it’s own motor. Similar to the idea of Tesla creating their own semi-trailers with the same technology.

It would be a great idea to have an EV truck that is hauling fully charged Tesla road cars, and have those road car batteries power the truck!

I don’t think that idea will fly. Having the carried cars powering the truck would mean using the customer’s battery, the equivalent of putting miles on someone’s car. Tesla wouldn’t do that.

I think using battery cars could add 400kwh to power Tesla semi. increase range over 600-1000km.
Why not? It could be like final battery testing.

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Now If they can eliminate the Mandatory delivery fees for every car sold, I know MANY folks on the list and expecting delivery that are willing to drive to Freemont and pickup from there.

Not sure why it’s a mandatory fee if a buyer can pickup from the factory. Seems like old Legacy stealership/manufacturer rule/law that is old and archaic and should be re-visited.

that’s costing money. are they contracting independent truck drivers to deliver

Why is Tesla building “car barriers” again???

I forgot, the new models for the other manufacturers are shipping now too. I imagine that’s also putting stress on the system.

I wouldn’t exactly call it a “brilliant solution”. The solution in itself is rather trivial… The amazing thing is that in a typical Musk move, they are doing something that nobody else would even consider. “We don’t have enough carriers… What would it take to build our own? Anything stopping us? No? There we go!”

He’s not letting “nobody would do that!” stand in the way of achieving things 🙂

Nobody would do that because they would plan ahead. Tesla knows here the cars need to be because they are ordered ahead of time. Why does it come as some surprise in the 11th hour that they need transports?

Because they didn’t know *when* they will need them, or how many exactly.

Easily the best comment in this thread.

Let the cars drive themselves to their owners! If necessary, escort them with a manned car in front and at the back.

Car carriers with 10-12 car capacity could be expensive to build. Just build a wagon thats 32 feet in length to carry 2 cars at lower deck and 2 cars at upper deck. Use a F-250 or Silverado 2500 type heavy duty trucks to move and deliver 4 cars at a time. This could be done much more quickly.

Just a thought (and I don’t know how the #’s work out), but Tesla could offer to fly anyone one way to Fremont to pick up their car, and then they could just drive it home. Offer free Supercharging, etc.

Sell a premium Direct to You service like they did with Model S. In which someone actually drives it to yours.

If he is really pushed he could collect it himself and have the continental US to familiarise himself.

Problems to deliver up to (overestimated) 500 000 cars/year? Come on, that is sign of incompetence!

Does this have anything to do with being a non union factory?

Why isn’t rail considered as a solution?
In Europe, pretty much every manufacturer sends the bulk of the production on rail carriers…