More Details Emerge on Tesla’s Supercharger Expansion in Europe

FEB 6 2014 BY ERIC LOVEDAY 17

Tesla's Supercharger Expansion in Europe is Well Underway

Tesla’s Supercharger Expansion in Europe is Well Underway

Tesla Motors says that it’s working with rail operator Deutsche Bahn to open Supercharger along key Autobahn routes.

Tesla Celebrates Supercharger Opening

Tesla Celebrates Supercharger Opening

The idea is to make long-distance travel possible in the Model S across central Germany.

It’s believed that electric vehicles have failed to gain a foothold in Germany due mostly to limited range and lack of charging stations.  Tesla hopes to counter that by installing more Superchargers there to support its long-range EV.

The BMW i3 went on sale in Germany in November.  Sales thus far have proven to be low in Germany.

Likewise, the VW e-Up! launched in Germany late last year.  It too has failed to rack up any meaningful amount of sales in Germany.

Only the Smart Fortwo ED sells in volume in Germany, likely due to its low cost.

Tesla’s current Supercharger network in Germany is rather limited.  Only four sites exist in the following cities: Wilnsdorf, Bad Rappenau, Aichstetten and Jettingen.

Tesla says these Superchargers enable travel between the major German cities of Munich, Stuttgart, Frankfurt and Cologne.

However, if Tesla thinks that sales of the Model S in Germany are dependent on the coverage of the Supercharger network, then more Superchargers will have to be installed.

As you’ll see in the map below, 2 additional Superchargers are already under construction in Germany.  We suspect they’ll be operational before the end of the month.

Superchargers in Europe - Gray Dots Denote "Coming Soon"

Superchargers in Europe – Gray Dots Denote “Coming Soon”

Supercharger Listing For Europe

Supercharger Listing For Europe

 

Source: Reuters

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Zero subsidy in Germany and electricity at $0.36kwh account very nicely for the low sales of electric cars without looking for further explanation.

Yeah that’s likely true. Much the same in Denmark.
And Norway is decisively different in these parameters.
I don’t know about Holland but I’d guess it fits there as well.

Big lesson for all governments but as usual, they have the intellectual attention of a moist sponge. They don’t even understand that fast charger networks is their job

The price of electricity is a non argument. Electricity may be more expensive than in (some parts) the USA, but so is gas.
Subsidies in Germany go the (German) manufacturers who stall the development af alternative drivetrains to keep milking the government for as long as they can.

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater

They’ll probably need them every 100km or so along no-limit intercity routes, given the power use at high speeds.. But very cool to see the US knocking the Germans back on their heels for a change when it comes to cars..

Yeah, if further explanation is needed the idea that you should spend the sort of money that a Tesla S costs and be overtaken by every VW Polo on the autobahn is unappealing to buyers, and even if you do your best and drive at the Tesla’s comparatively low top speed would only make the journey slower as you would have to stop every few tens of kilometres to recharge.

One of the reasons the German’s are keener on fuel cell cars than BEVs.

Fuel cell solves the range issue, but do you really expect FCVs to have an autobahn worthy top speed? Fuel cell power leaves a lot to be desired…

At the moment the concentration is simply on getting a fuel cell car in mass production on the road, as it should be at this stage. For acceleration batteries are used, as fuel cells don’t much like being ramped up and down to provide bursts of acceleration. As for cruising at high speed, the fair answer is at the moment since the energy density of the total system including the heavy carbon fibre tank for a fuel cell system is of the order of 1,500wh/kg, whereas the Tesla battery is around 150Wh/kg at the pack level, then plainly it is easier to provide a lot of energy for extended periods using a fuel cell than a battery system only. They are a long way behind the energy density of a petrol car though, which is for the moment the technology of choice in the application. So a PHEV would do best at the moment, the fuel cell system is in a reasonable position but a long way behind, and the battery system is third by a considerable margin. Whether in most places speeds of 170 km per hour for hours at a time will be needed is already answered, as… Read more »
Dr. Kenneth Noisewater

Fuel cells are a nonstarter at any more than $0.10/Watt. In Germany, where you’d want at least 200kW in a Bahnstormer over long distances, more like $0.05/Watt.

How much are fuel cells costing these days, and what’s their price decline slope?

Also, H2 fuel cells are a joke, the only way that would happen would be by reformulating natgas or gasoline, piggybacking on existing infrastructure. Nobody’s building out a parallel H2 infrastructure anywhere. Solid oxide fuel cells that take NG or other hydrocarbons directly make a lot more sense, again, at $0.10/Watt or less, and within a typical I4-to-V8 amount of liters of space.

The rate of decrease of fuel cell manufacturing costs has been sustained and massive over many year, far faster than for batteries, as Toyota have noted. As of 2012 according to the DOE: ‘The current status of $47/kW represents a 36% decrease since 2008 and an 83% decrease since 2002, as depicted in Figure 1. The cost decrease since 2008 stems in part from a reduction in PGM loading and an increase in cell power density, allowing the design of smaller and less expensive stacks. Balance of plant (BOP) cost has also been reduced during this time.’ http://www.hydrogen.energy.gov/pdfs/12020_fuel_cell_system_cost_2012.pdf Note that this sort of analysis is based on what we can do right now, with only production engineering at volume taken into account, and includes no breakthroughs of the type needed to go beyond Tesla S battery pack densities. So this is within your lower 5 cents/watt, and reasonable extrapolation to 2017 takes us to 3 cents/watt. I’m not even going to go into your statements about hydrogen from other than natural gas reformation, as they make it perfectly clear that you have not looked at what is being done in Germany and elsewhere. If you then present a critique based… Read more »

I think it’s a mistake that Tesla make their stands so big.
And I think it was a big mistake to not put a charge port on the nose of the car.
And it’s a pretty big mistake with 30000 cars out already. Not easy to change now and for all perpetuity.
I’d say an electric car should have 3 or more charge ports. And the one on the nose is the most important due to parking spot designs.
With 3 ports it’s particularly important that the plug is a good design. And I think a blade design is the obvious best because it’s all contact surface and it can fit in visual lines of the car without a barn door port like the Leaf. And CHAdeMO is the worst.

The charge plug standards situation is increasingly a mess. It’s so stupid. An avalanche of morons competing to be the most stupid. And they are all winning.

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater

Tesla should have optional, common-to-the-region public charging sockets in a flipdown compartment behind the “grille”, while keeping the Tesla socket in the back.

Heck, having an onboard compact EVSE and a 3-prong male plug for a simple extension cord would be nice as well!

“And the one on the nose is the most important due to parking spot designs.”
Because parking spot designs are stupid.

Driving into a parking spot maybe the most comfortable, but back out again into traffic is the most dangerous.
It doesn’t matter at SC stations, but does in the city.

Back in, drive forwards out.

Germany is like the UK they pay 300% tax on fuel. So it is a huge income for the state. They will not let go of that income. Tesla scares these countries. It will not make a diffrence if Tesla installs 1000 SC stations in either country. And it will not cost Tesla much to try and win these markets, because these SC also make money by feeding the grid since they use the sun mostly. So it is a win win case for Tesla. But I am not optimistic about the govrnements losing this huge income from the tax on fuel.

It’s not 300% it’s more like 150%. Net price of gasoline is about 60€ct, what we pay is about 1.45 €.

Only a few % of Autobahn’s are unlimited speed, and that is decreasing. Most
Of Germany is on 130 km/h or lower, so 250/300 range is possible.

Only few percent? It’s more like 50% percent. The AB near Frankfurt are all 130 km/h limit but most of the km i drive is free. (But most of the time i drive only between 120km/h – 150 km/h, I doesn’t need more)

I hope the Deutsche Bahn can hold the speed Tesla wants because Deutsche Bahn is known in Germany for beeing slow in most planing.