Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV Review From Dublin


Mitsubishi Outlander "FEV" Or Rather PHEV

Mitsubishi Outlander “FEV” Or Rather PHEV

For many places “not America”, the Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV is now on sale and can be seen in normal everyday life. (The Outlander has been further delayed in the US until late 2015 thanks to California regulations).

Map of Charging Points In Ireland.  Also Of Note:  Ireland Ranks Dead Last For EV Sales In Europe

Map of Charging Points In Ireland. Also Of Note: Ireland Ranks Dead Last For EV Sales In Europe

And so we came across a fairly unique review of the plug-in Mitsu from Dublin via the IndependentThe Outlander PHEV goes on sale in Ireland – home of a bazillion (technical term) unused fast charging stations – this summer from €41,950.

*Note: Video review is not embeddable.  Follow this link to check out the Independent’s Outlander “FEV” review.

Once you get passed the car being called the ‘FEV’ by the Irish host, it is tidy piece on the abilities of the 4WD plug-in, the only such vehicle configuration currently being offered anywhere.

On the Outlander’s refinement and EV driving capabilities:

“Well there’s certainly a big shift on when it comes to the quality of the interior, there’s a decent amount of refinement in the materials used but still the Irish buyer is hung up on diesel and Mitsubishi are trying to say that the Outlander PHEV can replace the fuel economy that a diesel offers.

While I’m thinking of fuel economy Mitsubishi claim that the Outlander PHEV can do 1.9l/kms which is startlingly low but in my drive around Dublin I used no fuel at all because the car always tries to run on batteries right up to 120kms (75 miles)”

On range anxiety:

“Having the petrol engine there just as a back up means that you don’t feel that same range anxiety that you get with a pure electric powered car, you just keep on driving and when you run short you just put some petrol in and keep on going.”

Also of interest:  Ireland ranked dead last in EV sales out of 17 countries in Europe with just 58 cars sold – that is .07% of total car purchases in the country.  The Outlander PHEV should go a long way to improving that number in the second half of 2014.


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21 responses to "Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV Review From Dublin"
  1. jmac says:

    The Outlander is a much better looking vehicle than the iMiev.

    This, and the fact that the Outlande is no doubt far more practical than the jellybean iMiev seem to have made the Outlander a kind of world-wide hit, if the sales reports and backlog of orders are true.

    If I remember correctly Mitsubishi had the first mass produced EV of this modern era.

    Perhaps the smaller companies that do not have the R&D budgets like Toyota (to waste on fuel cells) can still compete with the best of them in the EV and Phev marketplace.

    The Outlander looks like a car that a lot of people wouldn’t mind owning.

    1. DaveMart says:

      First Toyota wasted money on developing Prius technology, when all wise men said it was impossible, and now they are throwing it away on fuel cells.

      Its surprising they have managed to become the biggest car company in the world.
      They and the 500 engineers they have working on fuel cells, in addition to those they have working on batteries, should have just asked the no doubt immensely qualified folk on blogs.

      But of course Daddy Musk has said they are no good, and he is infallible, and has no vested interest in BEV cars.

      1. Rob Stark says:

        The very same people telling Toyota to pass on fool cells are the very same people that bought first and second generation Prius.

        “All the wise men” putting hybrid and fool cell detractors in the same basket is absolute nonsense.

      2. Rob Stark says:

        BTW it is not Daddy Musk but science that tells us fool cells are a fool’s errand.

        1. DaveMart says:

          Science which in your opinion the engineers at Toyota are entirely unaware of.

          Musk is of course an engineering genius.
          That does not mean that he is always right.

          You are too late to invest in Brunel’s Pneumatic railway, which had some problems although he was also a genius, but are in time to put all of your money in the Hyperloop.

          Good luck with that.

          1. Mikael says:

            They are very likely aware. But it’s hard to dump a project that you have put so much time and money into.
            And who knows, one day fuel cells might be a viable option but only because car companies will push them so hard (they have a lot more after market gains than EV’s for car manufacturers) and because the fossil fuel industry will help them push it.

            1. liberty says:

              The fool cell has a great benefit to the dealer network. They appear as if they will be unrelible for at least a couple of decades. If toyota an get governments to pay for these cars, dealers make lots of money on repairs. If it goes plug-ins then dealers will require a higher marger, as repair oosts will be low. We know the real reason these companies put R&D into fuel cells. Its not to build a better car, it is to slow the growth of the plug-in, which is a threat to the dealership model.

  2. offib says:

    BTW, for 2014, 120 EVs have already been sold if anyone’s wondering. Making a fair 0.2% of market share. The vast majority were from LEAFs but the i3, Zoe and Outlander PHEV were releaseed recently so 2015 would likely be even better.

    I can see the video fine, I tried sending Jay a video, but I don’t think it worked for him.

    Anyway, the video:

    “So welcome to the Mitsubishi Outlander ‘FEV’. It means Plug In Hybrid Electric Vehicle. Pretty straight forward, but literally what it means is that this has a gazillion load of bateries in it that’s attached to a generator that’s attatched to a 2.0l petrol engine that allows you to be able to drive on completely ‘Hybrid Drive’ for as far as the batteries would let you and then of course the 2.0l betrol engine cuts in to recharge the batteries via a generator to power all four wheels. So it’s actually a Four-Wheel-Drive and there’s no compromise in the actual car, it’s the same size as a normal Mitsubishi Outlander, even the boot, they’ve managed to hide those battereis pretty well. They’re actually under the floor of the car. So-but, I don’t feel any difference, I don’t feel any higher in the car or any taller up or anything so it seems to be OK.”

    “The ‘FEV’ is somewhat of a remarkable piece of equipment in that it’s got the generator involved and that allows the car to supply power from the 2.0l engine to the generator that’ll generate electricity for the batteries to drive the wheels.” (Note that the Opel Ampera is not sold or known here, but there’s only one white one running around, rarely seen.)

    “Very straight forward. At the moment, it always edges towards, ehh, electric mode as much as it possibly can so it’s always trying keep me in batteries until I put my foot down or until it starts to run short of batteries or until I go above 120km/h, then it’ll run straight in for the petrol.”

    “Now, as little as possible it’ll use the petrol engine to power the car, when it does it is a Front-Wheel-Drive. When it doesn’t and it’s powering the rest of the car, it’s a Four-Wheel-Drive and the bias of the Four-Wheel-Drive is kinda up to the car, they try and keep it in around 60:40, 70:30, somewhere around that, so it’ll always feel like a Front-Wheel-Drive”

    “The remarkable bit is to be in a car at this size, it’s this quiet, it’s not actually making any noise, it’s making so little noise I can hear the cameras rattle, (Laughs) as I move along, which is kind of a strange experience. We’re in a bit of traffic now because I decided to test this in Dublin, I thought it would be a good place to test it ’cause it is a full-size, 4×4, off road vehicle, but at the same time it is meant for urban use because it’s got the full hybrid system. Well, full electric hybrid system, it’s mostly biased towards electric, but it means when you pull up to the traffic lights as I just did there now, (whispers) everything is quiet inside the car, I can hear the truck beside me, I could probably hear the grass grow over there, it’s so quiet. (end whispering) And of course, no emissions, no CO2 but now it is rated for CO2s so the tax on this is €170 a year. For a car this size to be in a €170 a year is quite amazing! Now price pointing, 41-grand for the entry-level one, the one I am in now with a FULL leather interior and all of the bells and whistles is 47-give or take. They give a little bit of info here as well, there’s a lovely little thing in here called ‘Trip Computer’ and this touchscreen is quite nice to use, very easy to use, you can see there what I’m using, I’m not using any A/C so it’s not showing. Energy flow then shows me the battery and where’s the energy is actually coming from in the car and it’s quite amusing to watch that happen. Obviosuly not in traffic.”

    “Just think of it as this as a plain ordinary vehicle for the moment for a €47,000 car, then I’m looking at it fomr a diferent perspective so once all of the stuff (tech) has kinda got out of it. As you can see, get away from the traffic lights pretty quickly because of electric engine… It’s actually very refined! I’m… (speechless). It’s not, doesn’t feel much like a Mitsubishi in that respect becasue Mitsubishis are usually pretty tough and hard wearing inside and stand up to a bit of punishment. This feels like a more refined, more like it’s built for comfort rather than being utilitarian like a normal Outlander. Overall I think like my first impressions of the whole car is quality, there is a lot of feeling of quality in here. Even over all of these weird-ass speedbumps you have what’s here in Ballyfermot. It still feels very ‘quality’, it’s quite nice.”

    “It is in essence a new technology when it comes to Mitsubishi, it was a bit of a surprise to a lot fo people out there as well as they’re going in this direction and it has received rave reviews in most magazines in general. I think it’s probably the best car Mitsubishi has made at the moment. (whispers) Apart from the Evo X, which are pretty good (end whispers). But different league! And I actually appreciate what Mitsubishi’s trying to do here in that they’re trying to really make something that feels a bit more ‘European’ and a little bit more ‘classy’ and a little bit more ‘stylish’. And all that combined means that Mitsubishi is on a bit of a winner here.”

    The prices are higher than expected, especially compared to prices in the UK, likely because of more tax. The prices also include the government’s €5000 offering. Yet prices aren’t far from the diesel versions. The 6-speed manual diesel is €37,000 and the automatic is €40,000.

  3. jmac says:


    The Fuel Cell concept has already been proven. It works (very expensively, however)

    But, what many really object to regarding fuel cells is that they run on hydrogen. and there is to date no economically feasible alternative to making hydrogen except to use fossil fuels.

    About 95% of hydrogen now comes from natural gas and the other 5% comes from coal gasification.

    To set up a hydrogen economy, at lest as things stand today, simply means that the same old cast of characters will run the new hydrogen economy.

    Recently, I watched a film about cars of the future and the film makers went to Iceland. They showed a picture of a hydrogen station.

    The sign over the station said:


    And that in a nutshell is why a lot of people are NOT excited about hydrogen.

    The same old addiction from the same old cast of characters.

    Just dressed up with phrases like: “The only thing that comes out of the tailpipe is water.”

    1. DaveMart says:

      Pretty similar logic to the folk who are against battery electric cars, as they have no record of selling where there is no large subsidy, and as detractors point out rely on a fairly dirty grid.

      IMO a fool is someone who parrots slogans invented by people who are selling a rival product.

      1. Mikael says:

        It seems like you need to do some basic research on fuel cells and hydrogen. Then tell us calmly why you believe that fuel cells has the potential to be a viable option for consumers which will get us away from fossil fuels.

        I’m open to many different solutions and it’s very interesting following alternative fuels and methods, HVO and EV’s/PHEV’s being my favourite solutions generally for cars.
        But I have been following fuel cells long before there was a Tesla on the roads and I have yet to meet anyone who have been looking into fuel cells and then thought it still was a good idea.

        1. See Through says:

          Things have changed quite a bit in the last decade. Fuel cell costs have come down tremendously. Toyota fuel cell cars cost about 50K now. If you are judgign based on ‘long before Tesla’, then it can be very wrong.

          1. Mikael says:

            I’m basing it on what we know today, not what we knew yesterday. Also factoring in the latest research and discoveries and potential new technologies and improvements.
            The fuel cell cost is the least of the worries. The easy part is to make an affordable fuel cell car and get it to dealers.
            That’s not really where any of the disadvantages, costs and flaws lie.

    2. See Through says:

      Isn’t it the same with battery EVs? You burn coal and gas to get electricity, so you can reduce some inner city pollution. Hydrogen does the same, without the need for giant battery packs.

      Truly, I don’t see any difference. The argument about solar is hogwash; good luck driving with solar in rainy winters.

      1. offib says:

        I haven’t seen you here much, I bet you’re not an average reader and happened to jump in on a Hydrogen argument on an article about an Irish review about a Mitsubishi. Talk about hogwash.

        There are plenty of people already who charge their cars from solar. They just need enough energy that they can draw in an hour, typically 3kWh or 6kWh. And that’s without the mention of a small storage battery.

        When it’s winter the cells can still generate electricity, not as much but that doens’t mean the car wouldn’t be able to charge, not when the house is still connected to the grid. Look up one of Robert Llewllyn’s videos. He’s been using panels for over 2 years now. During the Summer, he charges for free, but during the Winter he charges at night but with the electricity that he estimates is 30% less in the Winter (in the UK) compared to the Summer, he sells it to the grid during the peak of the day when the price of electricity is at its highest.

        There’s a very large difference indeed. For one, you cannot refil an ICE or FCEV at home. The infratructure for electricity (AKA: The Grid) has existed for years. That just leaves the construction of plugs and hardware. Hydrogen has its biggest impact in the US where there are less than 20, many dating back to the mid-2000s. The cost per Hydrogen station (without an on-site electrolosis generator) is $2,000,000. That would provide 40 rapid chargers, give or take depending on the manufacturer.
        Honestly, only California would be building more, 100 or so over the decade. It’s not investment for world wide production (it’s been 3 years and EVs have been increasing sales 2-fold each year. Toyota and Hyundai only expects at least 5000 over that time). With even over 100 stations, why is so attractive to travel a distance, using time to pump up before going home or pump up before going to work?

        The price of the fuel doesn’t help either. Current prices are $12 per kg. 1kg of H2 produces the same amount of energy as 1 US gallon. The DoE recently invested $20,000,000 to reduce the price of Hydrogen to an equivalent of $4 per kg at a large production scale. The cheapest and best method of getting there is by steaming natural gas or collecting waste Hydrogen through the fractioning process. An un-renwable method. Also, the efficeincy of the fuel stacks and the car itself must improve now. No manufacturer reports the efficiency of a fuel stack, but there is the driving efficiency of Hyundai’s Tuscon FCEV. It averaged 50 MPGe. That’s good for a hybrid but half the effort of an EV with the same performance. So how will they compete on running costs?

        If a car is twice as efficient compared to another car and runs on fuel 1/5 of the price (varing at different times of the day, the supplier or if you have a solar array) of the other car’s fuel and requires no attendence when refueling, what overwhelming advantage does the other car have? It emits water and has the advanatage of a longer range for special, planned occasions. If it emited other gases, I would’ve thought of a petrol or diesel car.

      2. Kalle says:

        Well, for me (living in scandinavia) electric car is charged on a prety clean gridd.
        But the charm that i find with battery electrics is that i can make the “fuel” my self.
        Be it with solar or some other way.
        Even for me (in sweden) a solar aray that can give me more power than the car uses over a year is a posibilyty.
        (I am in the works of installing one)
        And the fealing of being less dependent of big greedy companies to suply my fuel is worth allot (to me)

    3. offib says:

      A lot of people are excited, for years, they think they can have a tank of hydrogen like a tank of natural gas and run their car off it. A lot of people have no knowledge of an FCEV or ZEV credits, the current infrastructure and the cost of adding a refuelling site one by one.

      It’s a long awaited hope accopanied with little public, general knowledge.

  4. jmac says:

    Okay davemart,

    Basically, both fuel cell vehicles and Evs offer zero point of use emissions.

    That’s true enough.

    As long as electric vehicles use grid based electricity, they have the taint of fossil fuel use.

    But, with hydrogen vehicles ALL the electricity will come from fossil fuels

  5. Lindsay Patten says:

    “the car always tries to run on batteries right up to 120kms (75 miles)”

    I think that should be 120km/hr and 75mph, the all electric range is only 52km.

    1. Bloggin says:


      This is from the manufacturers site:

      “Capable of more than 30 miles and over 60 MPH on EV power making for incredible MPG”

    2. Mikael says:

      The all electric range is more like 30 km.