Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV Review From Dublin

JUN 21 2014 BY STAFF 21

Mitsubishi Outlander "FEV" Or Rather PHEV

Mitsubishi Outlander “FEV” Or Rather PHEV

For many places “not America”, the Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV is now on sale and can be seen in normal everyday life. (The Outlander has been further delayed in the US until late 2015 thanks to California regulations).

Map of Charging Points In Ireland.  Also Of Note:  Ireland Ranks Dead Last For EV Sales In Europe

Map of Charging Points In Ireland. Also Of Note: Ireland Ranks Dead Last For EV Sales In Europe

And so we came across a fairly unique review of the plug-in Mitsu from Dublin via the IndependentThe Outlander PHEV goes on sale in Ireland – home of a bazillion (technical term) unused fast charging stations – this summer from €41,950.

*Note: Video review is not embeddable.  Follow this link to check out the Independent’s Outlander “FEV” review.

Once you get passed the car being called the ‘FEV’ by the Irish host, it is tidy piece on the abilities of the 4WD plug-in, the only such vehicle configuration currently being offered anywhere.

On the Outlander’s refinement and EV driving capabilities:

“Well there’s certainly a big shift on when it comes to the quality of the interior, there’s a decent amount of refinement in the materials used but still the Irish buyer is hung up on diesel and Mitsubishi are trying to say that the Outlander PHEV can replace the fuel economy that a diesel offers.

While I’m thinking of fuel economy Mitsubishi claim that the Outlander PHEV can do 1.9l/kms which is startlingly low but in my drive around Dublin I used no fuel at all because the car always tries to run on batteries right up to 120kms (75 miles)”

On range anxiety:

“Having the petrol engine there just as a back up means that you don’t feel that same range anxiety that you get with a pure electric powered car, you just keep on driving and when you run short you just put some petrol in and keep on going.”

Also of interest:  Ireland ranked dead last in EV sales out of 17 countries in Europe with just 58 cars sold – that is .07% of total car purchases in the country.  The Outlander PHEV should go a long way to improving that number in the second half of 2014.

Independent

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jmac

The Outlander is a much better looking vehicle than the iMiev.

This, and the fact that the Outlande is no doubt far more practical than the jellybean iMiev seem to have made the Outlander a kind of world-wide hit, if the sales reports and backlog of orders are true.

If I remember correctly Mitsubishi had the first mass produced EV of this modern era.

Perhaps the smaller companies that do not have the R&D budgets like Toyota (to waste on fuel cells) can still compete with the best of them in the EV and Phev marketplace.

The Outlander looks like a car that a lot of people wouldn’t mind owning.

DaveMart

First Toyota wasted money on developing Prius technology, when all wise men said it was impossible, and now they are throwing it away on fuel cells.

Its surprising they have managed to become the biggest car company in the world.
They and the 500 engineers they have working on fuel cells, in addition to those they have working on batteries, should have just asked the no doubt immensely qualified folk on blogs.

But of course Daddy Musk has said they are no good, and he is infallible, and has no vested interest in BEV cars.

Rob Stark

The very same people telling Toyota to pass on fool cells are the very same people that bought first and second generation Prius.

“All the wise men” putting hybrid and fool cell detractors in the same basket is absolute nonsense.

Rob Stark

BTW it is not Daddy Musk but science that tells us fool cells are a fool’s errand.

DaveMart

Science which in your opinion the engineers at Toyota are entirely unaware of.

Musk is of course an engineering genius.
That does not mean that he is always right.

You are too late to invest in Brunel’s Pneumatic railway, which had some problems although he was also a genius, but are in time to put all of your money in the Hyperloop.

Good luck with that.

Micke Larsson

They are very likely aware. But it’s hard to dump a project that you have put so much time and money into.
And who knows, one day fuel cells might be a viable option but only because car companies will push them so hard (they have a lot more after market gains than EV’s for car manufacturers) and because the fossil fuel industry will help them push it.

liberty

The fool cell has a great benefit to the dealer network. They appear as if they will be unrelible for at least a couple of decades. If toyota an get governments to pay for these cars, dealers make lots of money on repairs. If it goes plug-ins then dealers will require a higher marger, as repair oosts will be low. We know the real reason these companies put R&D into fuel cells. Its not to build a better car, it is to slow the growth of the plug-in, which is a threat to the dealership model.

offib
BTW, for 2014, 120 EVs have already been sold if anyone’s wondering. Making a fair 0.2% of market share. The vast majority were from LEAFs but the i3, Zoe and Outlander PHEV were releaseed recently so 2015 would likely be even better. I can see the video fine, I tried sending Jay a video, but I don’t think it worked for him. Anyway, the video: “So welcome to the Mitsubishi Outlander ‘FEV’. It means Plug In Hybrid Electric Vehicle. Pretty straight forward, but literally what it means is that this has a gazillion load of bateries in it that’s attached to a generator that’s attatched to a 2.0l petrol engine that allows you to be able to drive on completely ‘Hybrid Drive’ for as far as the batteries would let you and then of course the 2.0l betrol engine cuts in to recharge the batteries via a generator to power all four wheels. So it’s actually a Four-Wheel-Drive and there’s no compromise in the actual car, it’s the same size as a normal Mitsubishi Outlander, even the boot, they’ve managed to hide those battereis pretty well. They’re actually under the floor of the car. So-but, I don’t feel any difference,… Read more »
jmac

@davemart

The Fuel Cell concept has already been proven. It works (very expensively, however)

But, what many really object to regarding fuel cells is that they run on hydrogen. and there is to date no economically feasible alternative to making hydrogen except to use fossil fuels.

About 95% of hydrogen now comes from natural gas and the other 5% comes from coal gasification.

To set up a hydrogen economy, at lest as things stand today, simply means that the same old cast of characters will run the new hydrogen economy.

Recently, I watched a film about cars of the future and the film makers went to Iceland. They showed a picture of a hydrogen station.

The sign over the station said:

SHELL HYDROGEN.

And that in a nutshell is why a lot of people are NOT excited about hydrogen.

The same old addiction from the same old cast of characters.

Just dressed up with phrases like: “The only thing that comes out of the tailpipe is water.”

DaveMart

Pretty similar logic to the folk who are against battery electric cars, as they have no record of selling where there is no large subsidy, and as detractors point out rely on a fairly dirty grid.

IMO a fool is someone who parrots slogans invented by people who are selling a rival product.

Micke Larsson

It seems like you need to do some basic research on fuel cells and hydrogen. Then tell us calmly why you believe that fuel cells has the potential to be a viable option for consumers which will get us away from fossil fuels.

I’m open to many different solutions and it’s very interesting following alternative fuels and methods, HVO and EV’s/PHEV’s being my favourite solutions generally for cars.
But I have been following fuel cells long before there was a Tesla on the roads and I have yet to meet anyone who have been looking into fuel cells and then thought it still was a good idea.

See Through

Mikael,
Things have changed quite a bit in the last decade. Fuel cell costs have come down tremendously. Toyota fuel cell cars cost about 50K now. If you are judgign based on ‘long before Tesla’, then it can be very wrong.

Micke Larsson

I’m basing it on what we know today, not what we knew yesterday. Also factoring in the latest research and discoveries and potential new technologies and improvements.
The fuel cell cost is the least of the worries. The easy part is to make an affordable fuel cell car and get it to dealers.
That’s not really where any of the disadvantages, costs and flaws lie.

See Through

Isn’t it the same with battery EVs? You burn coal and gas to get electricity, so you can reduce some inner city pollution. Hydrogen does the same, without the need for giant battery packs.

Truly, I don’t see any difference. The argument about solar is hogwash; good luck driving with solar in rainy winters.

offib
I haven’t seen you here much, I bet you’re not an average reader and happened to jump in on a Hydrogen argument on an article about an Irish review about a Mitsubishi. Talk about hogwash. There are plenty of people already who charge their cars from solar. They just need enough energy that they can draw in an hour, typically 3kWh or 6kWh. And that’s without the mention of a small storage battery. When it’s winter the cells can still generate electricity, not as much but that doens’t mean the car wouldn’t be able to charge, not when the house is still connected to the grid. Look up one of Robert Llewllyn’s videos. He’s been using panels for over 2 years now. During the Summer, he charges for free, but during the Winter he charges at night but with the electricity that he estimates is 30% less in the Winter (in the UK) compared to the Summer, he sells it to the grid during the peak of the day when the price of electricity is at its highest. There’s a very large difference indeed. For one, you cannot refil an ICE or FCEV at home. The infratructure for electricity (AKA:… Read more »
Kalle

Well, for me (living in scandinavia) electric car is charged on a prety clean gridd.
But the charm that i find with battery electrics is that i can make the “fuel” my self.
Be it with solar or some other way.
Even for me (in sweden) a solar aray that can give me more power than the car uses over a year is a posibilyty.
(I am in the works of installing one)
And the fealing of being less dependent of big greedy companies to suply my fuel is worth allot (to me)

offib

A lot of people are excited, for years, they think they can have a tank of hydrogen like a tank of natural gas and run their car off it. A lot of people have no knowledge of an FCEV or ZEV credits, the current infrastructure and the cost of adding a refuelling site one by one.

It’s a long awaited hope accopanied with little public, general knowledge.

jmac

Okay davemart,

Basically, both fuel cell vehicles and Evs offer zero point of use emissions.

That’s true enough.

As long as electric vehicles use grid based electricity, they have the taint of fossil fuel use.

But, with hydrogen vehicles ALL the electricity will come from fossil fuels

Lindsay Patten

“the car always tries to run on batteries right up to 120kms (75 miles)”

I think that should be 120km/hr and 75mph, the all electric range is only 52km.

Alan Campbell

Exactly….

This is from the manufacturers site:

“Capable of more than 30 miles and over 60 MPH on EV power making for incredible MPG”

Micke Larsson

The all electric range is more like 30 km.