Mercedes Axes Several Current PHEVs To Ready Next-Gen Versions

JUN 22 2018 BY MARK KANE 23

Mercedes-Benz is going to introduce its third-generation of plug-in hybrids, under the EQ Power brand.

As you’d expect, this new generation will focus on increasing all-electric range and performance.

Mercedes-Benz GLE 500e

Apparently, the German manufacturer already pulled the  C-Class, E-Class, GLE and S-Class PHEVs from production to step-by-step replace them with new versions.

The first new plug-in hybrid will be the S-Class several months from now, followed by the new GLE and E-Class by the end of this year. GLE is expected to share the S-Class powertrain, while E-Class will get two engine options (gasoline and diesel).

In Spring of 2019, a new C-Class PHEV and an all-new A-Class will join the party.

For these upcoming M-B PHEVs, the all-electric range is expected to increase by more or less 10 miles, to 31 miles (50 km). The top speed in all-electric mode will increase to 87 mph (140 km/h). Currently, the real-world range (EPA) of several Mercedes-Benz PHEVs are between 8 and 12 miles (13-19 km), so we at least should see a 50% increase in EPA rating on the table.

Source: Autocar

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23 Comments on "Mercedes Axes Several Current PHEVs To Ready Next-Gen Versions"

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So It will be 12 to 18 EPA miles

There are two factors at play. Battery size and how often the ICE comes on to make up for the EV motor not being powerful enough.

The S550e is currently EPA rated at 14 miles of range of mixed electric/gas mixed mode, and they are increasing the power of the electric motor too. With the more powerful EV motor with higher pure EV top speed, it should stay in pure electric mode more of the time and run less in mixed mode with both EV and ICE motors providing power.

Hard to know what the full impact will be until the EPA completes the testing. Having the EV motor on more could end up better or worse for the numbers depending on when the EV motor will be on in the US test vs. the EU tests.

https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find.do?action=sbs&id=38460

You forget the China factor – the dog that whips the tail (USA)

That’s amazing! How can they do it, I’m very impressed.

Everybody is impressed by these MB Tesla killers and they are selling like hotcakes. Did you know S550e sold a whopping 43 copies so far this year in the US? Compare that to a paltry 8000 Model S and you know MB has a winner on its hands well worth investing in. /S

+1
Very well said Chris O. Keep it up.

Bring Plugin S-Class to China.
China youth will love it.

The new ranges are minimum required by PHEV in China, so my guess it is for that reason.

So somebody can drive them around.

31 miles on the NEDC probably works out to around 20 miles EPA. But that’s probably fine. I think 20 miles seems to be the standard these days, and I think it’s a good range for entry level PHEVs. I think 25-30 miles is probably the sweet spot for these cars. Obviously I like the 53 miles range on my Volt, but I rarely make use of it. I also have a Prius Prime and I find that I can do the vast majority of my driving on battery alone even with the 25 miles of range.

And we should think people who buy these cars will be diligent about plugging them in… why, exactly?

Oh god, not that silly meme once again. Yes, there will be vehicles that don’t get plugged in all the time. But they will be a trivial percent not worthy of Concern.

This has been proven out by actual data collected by GM through On-Star vehicle data collection, where fleet averages even with some Volts that never get plugged in show around 70% of total fleet miles are driven on EV power.

Even with self-selection excluding owners who don’t plug in, voltstats.net documents what huge numbers of real world driver’s On-Star data shows, and it is remarkably close to GM’s total all-time fleet averages that include cars that don’t get plugged in. Go here if you want to see what REAL numbers are for PHEV’s, instead of buying into memes that have no statistical facts to back them up:

https://www.voltstats.net/

A guy I work with saves about $450 every months in reduced fuel consumption. He drives in electric mode to and from work, every day. Charging at home, and at work.

The more expensive the fuel, the more be saves. This sum add up, during the lifetime of the car.
To not plug it in would be a waste of money.

You’re saying people who buy these cars won’t plug them in… why, exactly?

If the driver gets the Volt as part of his job, some have been compensated for their gasoline costs but not for the increase, how ever slight, in their home electricity billing. So there are stories about fleet Volts never getting plugged in and running entirely on gasoline. If you look at Voltstats dot net, there are 3 Volts (out of 2000) that have less than 10% of their total miles from the pack, the rest using gasoline. Obviously that is a self selecting group, but it does indicate that there will be people who will end up with a plug in car and almost never plug it in. Not many, but a few.

It’s not surprising as these practices were put in place when cars did not plug in. Give it some time, these problems will fix themselves as people catch on to what’s happening.

The fact that the new version will have exactly 50km range just screams compliance. That is the low bar set by the Chinese and European governments to qualify for the full plug-in hybrid benefits. The range was previously 50km, but that was on the NEDC system. They probably just increased the battery size and power to get the same rating on the WLTP test. It is sad and ridiculous that they are just doing the minimum required.

Nothing wrong with the minimum, it is a lot better than nothing. A 20 mile EPA range could easily offset 5000 miles per year in gas charged 250 times per year. It gets people comfortable with the idea of a plug and their next vehicle will likely also have a plug.

That sounds like a good argument for CARB increasing their ZEV credit requirements for PHEV’s. Sounds good to me. Colorado just took a big step to becoming the 15th CARB state, and the more states adopt higher standards and stronger regulations the better.

https://www.thecarconnection.com/news/1117332_colorado-squares-off-against-epa-will-adopt-californias-stringent-vehicle-emissions-rules

As long as they follow a step by step increase in range, it’s a good thing.
Every EV fan would of course have the EV range to be close to unlimmited- but price, weight, volume will limmit what they can fit in the car.
I would expect the range to increase, as battery technology evolved. More energy in the same space.
40-50km real world rang would cover at least 75% of my need. 70km would cover 85-90%. The rest would be hard, since it is for really long trips.

Let’s hope the do a better job on their warranties than they do on the Smart ED. Mercedes really dropped the ball on those.

The issues are only with the cars that have the Tesla supplied battery pack. Driving it from full to empty often as you do in such a small short range car ruins the pack quickly. There are no known issues with Daimler’s own battery packs.

What is the need to pull the plug on plugins and re-introduce them later. They could have sold the current version and later launched the upgraded version.

I think they are going to stop selling the PHEV’s once and for all in USA.
There is no way they can sell their C Series Plugin for $47,900 when a much faster spacious fuel efficient 130 MPGe vehicle like Model 3 sells for $44,000 (Long Range). So they are quitting.

Well, good bye MB for selling these models although very few were sold.
And what about that Smart For-2 EV. Will it continue or follow their plugin siblings.