Kia Reveals New e-Soul For Europe: Two Battery Options

FEB 26 2019 BY MARK KANE 61

Electric Soul will be the only Soul you can buy in Europe

The next-generation Kia Soul EV, under the new name of Kia e-Soul, is coming to Europe where sales will begin by the end of the fourth quarter. Pricing will be announced later.

Kia will unveil the new e-Soul at the 2019 Geneva Motor Show (the car debuted at the 2018 Los Angeles Auto Show). The European version will be offered in two versions, which shares batteries/powertrains with Kia e-Niro and Hyundai Kona Electric:

  • Long-range: 64 kWh battery and 150 kW electric motor
  • Standard: 39.2 kWh battery and 100 kW electric motor

In Europe, Soul will be offered exclusively in the all-electric version. Production of the e-Soul takes place at Kia’s Gwangju manufacturing facility in Korea.

“In its third generation, Kia’s pioneering urban crossover has become more distinctive, dynamic and innovative than ever. While the e-Soul embraces the iconic design and playful character of its predecessors, it will be powered in Europe exclusively by electric energy, with a choice of two long-range, zero-emissions powertrains.”

The Long-range version will be able to go 452 km (280 miles) according to WLTP test cycle, compared to an EPA rating of 243 miles (391 km) in the U.S. The Standard version will go 277 km (172 miles) WLTP.

Kia boasts that the new battery cells have 25% higher energy density (250 Wh/kg vs 200 Wh/kg), while the new powertrain is 30% more efficient than “Europe’s current best-selling electric car” – the Nissan LEAF we guess.

The new electric Soul breaks with CHAdeMO and is equipped with CCS charging inlet for DC fast charging (up to 100 kW) and AC charging (single-phase 7.2 kW). The 20-80% fast recharge should take about 42 minutes.

Both versions will be covered in Europe by a 7-Year, 150,000 km warranty.

Kia e-Soul specs:

Long-range battery pack

  • 64 kWh lithium-ion polymer battery (180 Ah of capacity and 356 V of nominal voltage, 170 kW power output)
  • Range WLTP: 452 km (280 miles). U.S. version was rated by EPA at 243 miles (391 km)
  • Energy consumption WLTP: 157 Wh/km
  • Energy density (cell) 250 Wh/kg
  • 150 kW (@ 3,800 – 8000 rpm) and 395 Nm (@ 0 – 3,600 rpm) permanent magnet AC synchronous motor
  • 0-100 km/h (62 mph) in 7.6 seconds
  • Top speed: 167 km/h (104 miles)
  • on-board charger 7.2 kW
  • CCS DC fast-charging capability as standard – from 20% up to 80% capacity in just 42 minutes from a 100 kW DC fast-charger
  • Weight: 1,682 kg (Curb weight) and 2,180 kg (Gross weight)
  • Luggage capacity (litres, VDA):
    • Behind second row 315
    • Behind first row 1,339

Standard battery pack

  • 39.2 kWh lithium-ion polymer battery (120 Ah of capacity and 327 V of nominal voltage, 104 kW power output)
  • Range WLTP: 277 km (172 miles)
  • Energy consumption WLTP: 145 Wh/km
  • Energy density (cell) 250 Wh/kg
  • 100 kW (@ 2,600 – 8000 rpm) and 395 Nm (@ 0 – 2,400 rpm) permanent magnet AC synchronous motor
  • 0-100 km/h (62 mph) in 9.6 seconds
  • Top speed: 156 km/h (97 miles)
  • on-board charger 7.2 kW
  • CCS DC fast-charging capability as standard – from 20% up to 80% capacity in just 42 minutes from a 100 kW DC fast-charger
  • Weight: 1,593 kg (Curb weight) and 2,025 kg (Gross weight)
  • Luggage capacity (litres, VDA):
    • Behind second row 315
    • Behind first row 1,339
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Press release:

All-electric Kia e-Soul to make European debut in Geneva with more power, driving range and technology

  • New e-Soul joins Kia’s growing range of hybrid, plug-in hybrid and electric cars with a choice of two long-range, zero-emissions powertrains
  • Iconic and distinctive design, inside and out
  • Fully-electric driving range of up to 452 kilometres from a single charge
  • 25% greater cell-energy density with new-generation battery chemistry
  • More power and faster acceleration from new electric motors – and up to 30% more energy efficient than Europe’s current best-selling electric car
  • Kia introduces new UVO CONNECT ‘connected car’ telematics system
  • Combined Charging System (CCS) DC fast-charging capability as standard; aids usability on wide range of journeys
  • On-sale in Europe from first quarter of 2019 with 7-Year, 150,000 km warranty

26 February 2019 – The new Kia e-Soul brings long-range, zero-emissions power to the urban crossover class. The third globally-sold electric vehicle from Kia Motors makes its European debut at the 2019 Geneva International Motor Show next month.

In its third generation, Kia’s pioneering urban crossover has become more distinctive, dynamic and innovative than ever. While the e-Soul embraces the iconic design and playful character of its predecessors, it will be powered in Europe exclusively by electric energy, with a choice of two long-range, zero-emissions powertrains. The new-generation battery packs powering the new e-Soul are up to 30% more energy efficient than Europe’s current best-selling electric vehicle.

Emilio Herrera, Chief Operating Officer for Kia Motors Europe, commented: “Since its inception, the Soul has been a true pioneer for Kia, and for the wider market. A decade ago, it established the urban crossover segment, and when we launched the Soul EV it became the first fully-electric crossover. The new e-Soul breaks more ground, as we launch it in Europe with an extended-range electric powertrain as standard – without the option of an internal combustion engine.

“The market has changed significantly in recent years, and in 2018 – the outgoing model’s final year on-sale, Kia sold more of the zero-emissions Soul EV in Europe than petrol and diesel versions combined. Kia is recognised today as a global leader in electrified vehicles, with a growing range of mild-hybrid, hybrid, plug-in hybrid and electric vehicles. Electrified models accounted for one in eight Kia cars sold in Europe in 2018, up from one in 10 in 2017, and the new e-Soul will further build on this momentum.”

The e-Soul retains the strengths that have characterised earlier generations of the model, offering outstanding value for money, a roomy interior for five occupants, and high levels of space and versatility. Like all Kia models, the new e-Soul will be sold as standard in Europe with Kia’s quality promise: an unrivalled 7-Year, 150,000-kilometre warranty, which also covers the car’s electric motor and battery pack.

The new e-Soul goes on-sale across Europe towards the end of the first quarter of 2019.

Exterior design

Updating an icon – a distinctive, box-fresh design

Fresh, funky and distinctive, the new e-Soul celebrates the iconic design and playful character of the first- and second-generation Soul models. With newly-sculpted lines, sharp details, and technical lighting elements, the new e-Soul is the most futuristic, youthful and innovative iteration yet.

Every exterior panel on the e-Soul is new, yet it remains instantly recognisable by staying true to its boxy origins. Its urban crossover design has been enhanced with sharp full-LED headlamps integrated into the upper ‘brow’, which extends across the front of the 1,800-mm wide car. The front and rear bumpers, and a solid panel in place of a grille, give it a smooth, aerodynamic appearance. The charging socket is housed behind a small panel at the front of the car. Strake-style LED foglamps beneath the headlights replace the round lamps found on the previous Soul EV.

In profile, the e-Soul’s boxy silhouette remains clear, yet subtle adjustments to its proportions and details give the car a more confident appearance. At 4,195 mm in length, the new e-Soul is 55 mm longer than the car it replaces – with a 2,600-mm wheelbase (+30 mm) and a 15-mm longer front overhang. This effect is enhanced visually by the newly-designed rear pillar and shape of its glasshouse. The windows taper towards the rear of the car, with a fin-shaped rear pillar replacing what was previously a sharp angle at the base of the rear windows. The shape of the glasshouse draws the eyes along the side of the car as the bodywork kicks up towards the roof, ending in a matte black panel bearing the Soul name. This effectively balances the visual ‘weight’ of the rear with the longer front end. The e-Soul is finished with a unique five-spoke 17-inch alloy wheel design.

At the rear, the ‘island’ of bodywork in the tailgate remains. Surrounded by gloss black, this panel takes on a more rounded, modern shape for the new model, and sits atop restyled rear bumpers. It is parenthesised by bold new wraparound LED combination lamps.

The new e-Soul is available in a choice of seven single-tone paint finishes and seven two-tone combinations, mixing bright body colours with metallic shades for the roof and door mirror caps.

European customers can also specify an optional SUV Pack, which elevates the design of the e-Soul with the addition of bolder wheel arch and side sill cladding, as well as a skid plate on the base of the front bumpers.

Interior design

A high-tech interior inspired by music

Since the Soul’s inception, music has been an overarching theme behind its design. In its third generation, this continues to be a core attribute of the car’s persona. For the new model, designers and engineers have ‘turned up the volume’ on the interior, drawing inspiration from the visualisation of sound.

The e-Soul’s interior space is finished with acoustic-inspired shapes and textures, creating a full sensory experience. The new Soul retains the signature ‘tweeter’ speakers which bookend the dashboard, a feature of the previous-generation Soul which exemplified the car’s combination of cool design and ultimate functionality.

As vibrant inside as out, the e-Soul’s cabin can be finished in a range of single- or two-tone colour schemes, with a choice of fabric and synthetic or real leather, depending on market and vehicle specification. Colour and trim schemes include single-tone black or two-tone grey cloth (light and dark grey) with pearl-style door trim. The interior is also available with black or grey cloth, cloth and synthetic leather, or real leather upholstery, with light grey contrast stitching and metallic-painted door trim. Models finished in black cloth are also available with optional Green or Gold Packs, which add gold or green contrast stitching and door trim. A Red Pack is available to accompany the black leather interior, adding sporty red stitching and door trim.

The cabin is fitted with an optional Sound Mood Lighting system, emitting soft light from panels in the doors. This also includes a unique 3D-patterned surface on the upper door panels. The Sound Mood Lighting system pulses in time the beat of music playing through the audio system, with eight customisable colours and six themes illuminating the cabin.

The car is also available with a wireless phone charger at the base of the dashboard, heated and ventilated front seats, and a premium Harman Kardon sound system. An available Head-Up Display system unobtrusively projects relevant driving information on to the windscreen – such as turn-by-turn navigation directions and vehicle speed information.

Powertrains and dynamics

Long-range, zero-emissions – a choice of two fully-electric powertrains

The new Kia e-Soul will be sold in Europe exclusively as an electric vehicle, with a choice of two fully-electric, zero-emission powertrains to meet the needs and budgets of different customers.

Drivers have a choice of long-range (64 kWh) and standard-range (39.2 kWh) powertrains. Whichever version a buyer chooses, both variants offer vastly improved range over the outgoing Soul EV. On-road performance is also enhanced, with significantly more powerful electric motors providing 395 Nm of torque – 39% more than before.

Furthermore, Kia’s new-generation lithium-ion polymer battery packs offer greater energy capacity than those of many other electric vehicles, regardless of price. Cell energy density of 250 Wh / kg, achieved through new cell chemistry, enable the cells to store 25% more energy within a defined volume than those of the 200 Wh / kg battery pack in the outgoing Soul EV. This has enabled Kia to keep the battery pack as compact and lightweight as possible, while taking a huge leap in the car’s zero-emissions driving range compared to its predecessor and other electric vehicles on the market.

The long-range 64 kWh battery pack is paired with a 150 kW (204 ps) electric motor, enabling the e-Soul to travel up to 452 kilometres (280 miles) on a single charge (on the WLTP combined cycle). Energy consumption for the 64 kWh battery pack is just 157 Wh / km on the WLTP combined cycle – 24% more efficient than Europe’s current best-selling electric vehicle. Energy consumption for the long-range e-Soul is as low as 109 Wh / km in urban environments (WLTP urban cycle).

With the powertrain’s maximum 395 Nm torque available from a standstill, and 84% more power than the car it replaces, the long-range 64 kWh e-Soul will accelerate from 0-to-100 kph in just 7.6 seconds.

The standard-range 39.2 kWh battery pack powers an efficient 100 kW (136 ps) electric motor. With peak torque of 395 Nm, and 23% more power than the outgoing Soul EV, the significantly improved efficiency of the battery nevertheless enables the standard-range e-Soul to travel up to 277 kilometres (172 miles) on a single charge. Energy efficiency is rated at 145 Wh / km (WLTP combined), 30% more efficient than the best-selling electric car in Europe – making it one of the most energy-efficient electric vehicles in the world.

A Combined Charging System (CCS) DC fast charger is fitted as standard to both models, enabling shorter stops for charging. Both battery packs can be recharged from 20% up to 80% capacity in just 42 minutes from a 100 kW DC fast-charger.

The e-Soul is fitted with a range of energy-recuperation technologies to maximise driving range. This includes Kia’s energy efficient heat pump system, which scavenges waste heat from the car’s coolant system. It also features Kia’s innovative individual ventilation and air conditioning system, which shuts off cabin ventilation at the source to all seats except the driver’s – unlike other systems, which merely divert air to open passenger cabin vents.

The e-Soul is also equipped as standard with Kia’s innovative regenerative braking system, operated by paddle shifters behind the steering wheel. The system provides drivers with the ability to slow the car and recuperate kinetic energy to maximise its driving range and efficiency. Drivers can choose from five regenerative braking levels (none, 1 to 3, or ‘single pedal’ mode), depending on the level of energy recuperation they desire from the brakes. The system’s ‘single pedal’ driving mode also allows the car to harvest the maximum amount of energy from its brakes, and even enables the driver to bring the car to a gentle halt without necessarily needing to push the brake pedal. The regenerative braking system can also automatically adjust the braking level if it detects the car in front slowing down, creating smoother coast-down driving – especially on a steep downhill road. A Smart Eco Pedal Guide display on the driver’s instrument cluster also keeps the driver aware of real-time battery usage based on accelerator pedal input.

In addition, the e-Soul’s Drive Mode Select system lets drivers adapt the car to their preferred style or the road conditions. Drivers can choose from ‘Normal’, ‘Eco’, Eco+’ and ‘Sport’ mode. The two Eco modes are tuned to maximise vehicle range with certain power-saving measures, while Sport mode increases responses from the steering and electric motor to maximise the dynamic driving feel of the car. Normal mode provides a careful balance between each.

The new e-Soul is the first generation of the Soul to feature fully-independent multi-link rear suspension. This replaces the torsion beam rear axle on first- and second-generation models, making the car at once more engaging, responsive and comfortable to drive.

Technology

Kia launches innovative new UVO CONNECT telematics system

A suite of advanced features enhance safety, improve the driving experience and provide ease of operation and ownership. Furthermore, the new model is the first Kia in Europe to offer the brand’s innovative UVO CONNECT telematics system.

UVO CONNECT is designed to bring driving into the digital era, connecting drivers to the world around to provide them with invaluable information – via the in-car touchscreen, and on their smartphone.

The new technology has been developed to comply with the latest European Union General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR), ensuring the highest levels of data privacy and protection

UVO features the Kia Live system, housed within the 10.25-inch TFT LCD widescreen in the centre of the e-Soul’s dashboard. The system uses its own SIM card to retrieve and update live data during a drive, such as live traffic information, weather forecasts, points of interest, and details of potential on- and off-street parking – including price, location and parking availability. Crucially, the UVO system also shows drivers charging station locations, charger availability, and connection compatibility.

The second element of the UVO system is the UVO App, designed for compatibility on Android and Apple smartphones. The app offers users peace of mind with a range of features to provide diagnostic data about their car and the trips they take. The app also enables owners to activate a range of remote functions and features remotely. Depending on country, users can remotely activate the climate control system (pre-heating or pre-cooling the car, depending on the weather), and send route directions to their car before a journey.

The app enables users to check battery charging status remotely, and stop or resume charging at a tap of a screen – allowing them to take advantage of cheaper overnight electricity tariffs if charging at home. The app also lets users check the location of their vehicle, and access vehicle reports and diagnostic notifications.

Following its introduction on the e-Soul, Kia’s UVO CONNECT technology will be introduced to other European models in the near future.

The 10.25-inch touchscreen navigation system features Bluetooth multi-connection as standard, enabling occupants to connect two mobile devices at once, as well as Apple CarPlay and Android Auto. Its advanced split-screen functionality lets users control or monitor different vehicle features at the same time, customising the screen with a series of different widgets. This enables the driver to have a single display (such as navigation or battery information), or combine numerous elements on-screen at the same time. This means the driver can follow navigation directions or keep track of battery energy efficiency, while passengers can choose their favourite songs or check the weather forecast. The infotainment system also controls vehicle recharging preferences and Sound Mood Lighting settings.

The widescreen in the centre of the dashboard is complemented by a 7.0-inch TFT-LCD supervision instrument cluster, displaying essential driving information to the driver.

Safety

Full range of advanced active safety systems available

A range of passive and active safety systems ensure that occupants remain as well protected as possible on every journey. Kia’s Advanced Driver Assistance Systems (ADAS) help to reduce many of the inherent hazards and stresses of driving.

Available technologies include Forward Collision-avoidance Assist (FCA), Blind-spot Collision Warning (BCW) and Blind-spot Collision-avoid Assist-Rear (BCA-R), Smart Cruise Control (SCC) with Stop & Go, and Lane Keeping Assist (LKA), Driver Attention Warning (DAW) and High Beam Assist (HBA). Kia’s ‘level two autonomy’ technology, Lane Follow Assist (LFA), controls acceleration, braking and steering depending on the vehicles in front. Between speeds of 0 and 130 kph, LFA uses camera and radar sensors to maintain a safe distance from the car in front, while monitoring road markings to keep the e-Soul in the centre of the lane. In addition, the e-Soul features a Rear View Monitor (RVM) with Parking Assist guidance and Rear Cross-traffic Collision-avoidance Assist (RCCA).

As for passive safety features, the e-Soul is fitted with up to seven airbags (dual front airbags, dual front seat-mounted side airbags, side curtain airbags with rollover sensor, and driver’s side knee airbag), as well as a suite of electronic vehicle safety systems. These include Kia’s Vehicle Stability Management system as standard, incorporating traction control and electronic stability control.

The e-Soul’s body is made up of a blend of steel and aluminium, maximising torsional rigidity while keeping body weight low. With a higher proportion of Advanced High-Strength Steel and hot-stamped steel components than its predecessor, as well as new aluminium side-sill reinforcements, the more rigid bodyshell reduces road vibrations and enhances occupant safety in the event of a collision.

Production and sales

Built in Korea and on-sale in Europe this spring

The new e-Soul is produced at Kia’s Gwangju manufacturing facility in Korea. It goes on-sale in selected European markets from the end of Q1 2019, with pricing announced closer to the start of sales.

– Ends –

  

KIA e-SOUL – TECHNICAL SPECIFICATIONS (EUROPE)

Body and chassis

Five-door, five-seater all-electric urban crossover, with high-strength steel and aluminium unitary construction bodyshell. An electric motor drives the front wheels via a single-speed reduction gear set, powered by a lithium-ion polymer battery pack.

Powertrain

Electric motor

Type                           Permanent magnet AC synchronous motor

Voltage                       356 V (long) / 327 V (standard)

Max power                 204 ps (150 kW) @ 3,800 – 8000 rpm (long-range)

136 ps (100 kW) @ 2,600 – 8000 rpm (standard)

Max torque                 395 Nm (291.5 lb ft) @ 0 – 3,600 rpm (long-range)

Max torque                 395 Nm (291.5 lb ft) @ 0 – 2,400 rpm (standard)

 

Long-range battery pack

Type                           Lithium-ion polymer

Voltage                       356 V

Energy                                   64 kWh

Power                         170 kW

Capacity                     180 Ah

On-board charger      7.2 kW

Energy density (cell)  250 Wh / kg

 

Standard battery pack

Type                           Lithium-ion polymer

Voltage                       327 V

Energy                                   39.2 kWh

Power                         104 kW

Capacity                     120 Ah

On-board charger      7.2 kW

Energy density (cell)  250 Wh / kg

 

Suspension and damping

Front                            Fully-independent by subframe-mounted MacPherson struts, coil springs and gas-filled shock absorbers, with anti-roll stabiliser bar

Rear                            Fully-independent subframe-mounted multi-link, coil springs and twin tube gas-filled shock absorbers, with anti-roll stabiliser bar

 

Steering

Type                            Electric motor-driven rack-and-pinion power steering

Steering ratio               12.8:1

Turns, lock-to-lock      2.5

Turning circle              5.3 metres

 

Brakes

Front                            305 x 25 mm ventilated discs

Rear                            300 x 10 mm solid discs

Parking brake             Electronic parking brake

 

Wheels and tyres

Standard                     Alloy 17-inch, 215/55 R17 tyres

Spare                          Tyre mobility kit

 

Dimensions (mm)

Exterior

Overall length              4,195              Overall width              1,800*

Overall height              1,600              Wheelbase                 2,600

Front overhang           865                 Rear overhang           730

Front track                  1,565              Rear track                  1,575

Ground clearance       155

*excluding door mirrors

 

Interior

1st row             2nd row

Head room                 1,013               988

Leg room                    1,044               927

Shoulder room           1,410               1,390

 

Luggage capacity (litres, VDA)

Behind second row    315

Behind first row          1,339

 

Weights (kg)

Long-range     Standard

Curb weight                1,682               1,593

Gross weight              2,180               2,025

 

Performance and range

Long-range     Standard

Top speed (kph)         167                  156

0-to-100 kph (sec)      7.6                   9.6

Max vehicle range*    452 km           277 km

280 mi             172 mi

Energy consumption*            157 Wh / km   145 Wh / km

*WLTP combined cycle

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61 Comments on "Kia Reveals New e-Soul For Europe: Two Battery Options"

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“In Europe, Soul will be offered exclusively in the all-electric version”

Huh, that’s a first – a manufacturer opting *not* to sell the ICE version.

But really the burning question is how many batteries they have ordered. Given Kia doesn’t have enough batteries for e-Niro, it seems bold to go EV-only with Soul in EU market.

Most people will likely continue to order the e-Niro instead anyway. The Soul design is not really EU compatible.
Unless this car somehow ends up being much cheaper.

Nozuka says “The Soul design is not really EU compatible.”, But Kia says, in the the article: “The market has changed significantly in recent years, and in 2018 – the outgoing model’s final year on-sale, Kia sold more of the zero-emissions Soul EV in Europe than petrol and diesel versions combined.”

So, I suppose your view is more accurate than his view!
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Wrong. Boxy hatch is in style in Europe

The Soul is one of the few hatchback cars that sells very well in the US. Very few sell over 100,000 per year, and the Soul did, and was Kia’s second best selling vehicle in the US for 2018 (after the Sorento). I hope they actually sell the Soul EV nationwide here.

It’s a great city car … no reason why it should not keep going strong in its EV version.

This car is a breeze to park.

Also Daimler cut down all ICE versions of its Smart – only selling EV from mid 2019

Yup! So, actually, THEY would be the first to go that way, with Kia as Second!

Now, I know this is just one Car from a company with Many, but let’s see if they can do this to their next model, before any competitors follow suit!? Let’s see how much they push this, and if they can take another vehicle to All Electric, before 2021!

They are likely still going to sell the ICE version in the USA.

Exactly. Everything about the car looks good to me – decent battery sizes and nice to have two options of pack size. Im assuming they are only going to plan for 25,000 per year and expect it will be massively over-priced. Good to see it though.

Their going to ship more of their pollution creating ICE versions to the bass-ackward USA. That is in a race to the bottom and slipping toward “developing nation” status.

Stop with the personal attacks on US, we actually had the largest reduction in carbon emissions in recent years as most of our emissions are not from transportation sector, most are from energy generation (by a slim margin). Cheap natural gas and renewables have helped that a lot. The reduction in the US was equal to the reduction in the entire EU.
https://www.eesi.org/articles/view/u.s.-leads-in-greenhouse-gas-reductions-but-some-states-are-falling-behind

Our current leadership is averse to legislation that could help reduce emissions more, that is not saying we aren’t reducing emissions. I suspect that will change in future years.

U.S. CO2 Emissions were up in 2018 after several years of declines. Those declines were mostly due to the substitution of natural gas for coal in electricity generation. The elimination of thermal coal (it will still be needed for steel making) and it’s replacement with nat. gas and wind/solar, etc. is the quickest and cheapest way for the US to reduce it’s CO2 output. Especially important for EVs because coal powered EVs are not much or any improvement over gasoline/diesel ones from a CO2 emissions standpoint.

U.S. electricity production is now down to about 30% coal from about 50% a decade ago, China still at about 75% coal and still building coal plants. EVs in China (the largest market) are more about reducing oil imports than reducing CO2 emissions at least for the near to mid future.

Kia just calculated they can’t beat upcoming 35000$ Tesla in US Market, so they position eSoul to EU, where there will be no cheap Teslas for some time

Kia easily beats the market in Canada. Tesla is still much more expensive car, yes much better equipped. For most it’s about certain budget/functions creating affordable value. So, I don’t think they exactly run scared from US market as you put it.

First for Europe, maybe – in the US the Mercedes B-Class was only available in its EV form, and the current-gen Smart Fortwo had its ICE version discontinued a couple years back.

The Fiat 500 is also EV only now or soon I think. Its’s a great urban runabout although short on range.

I’m worried about all the electric cars coming out at the end of the year / beginning of next year.
Where are all those batteries suddenly going to come from?

Huge capacity is being built by the likes of LG Chem, SK innovation, CATL, BYD. Most of these factories announced 2-3 years ago and will come online in 2019 and 2020. The initial plans for these factories revised upwards many times before even the first phases completed. Still, we will see battery constraints for many years to come, due to higher demand for EVs from consumers.

Many automobile companies revealed plans earlier to release multiple all-electric models by 2020-21. But their plans were to make low quantities relatively. For example, VW group planning to sell 1 million EVs by 2025 across its all group brands (VW, Skoda, Seat, Audi, etc…). They want to release 27 all-electric models across different brands on just MEB platform. It means on average ~37,000 cars per model which is very silly and inefficient.

I strongly believe all the companies (automobile and battery makers) will do multiple upward revisions over the next 2-3 years for increased battery and EV capacities. Transition will happen much faster than most predictions.

My prediction is by 2025 most companies will stop making any ICE cars. But the announcements for the same will come much earlier (may be 2021 or 2022).

I believe when we see a first delivery of a Base Range Model 3, at the list price of $35,000, with No Options or mandatory extras, that will be a date to take note of, and have Many City Street Picture taken, for reference, to see how many ICE cars disappear from the streets, in 10 years, when the Same cities, and same street views are photographed again, for reference!

Like the New York Pics that show the shift, from Horses, to Horeseless Carriages (Cars), in 1 Decade!

“VW group planning to sell 1 million EVs by 2025 across its all group brands (VW, Skoda, Seat, Audi, etc…). They want to release 27 all-electric models across different brands on just MEB platform. It means on average ~37,000 cars per model which is very silly and inefficient.”

Having a lot of choice in models is a good thing. Why make 1million of a single model? Give consumers choices.

I don’t see that happening

You are not alone …

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Do Not Read Between The Lines

small_volume_per_model x large_number_of_model = moderate_volume.

New cell and battery manufacturing lines are being added every year.

SK Innovation is suppose to break ground the first of the year in Georgia. So there’s one new plant.

https://insideevs.com/sk-innovation-battery-plant-georgia/

“Production and sales

Built in Korea and on-sale in Europe this spring

The new e-Soul is produced at Kia’s Gwangju manufacturing facility in Korea. It goes on-sale in selected European markets from the end of Q1 2019, with pricing announced closer to the start of sales.”

Is it Q1 or Q4 now?

Only people who still refer to Jan-mar as q4 are accountants who run on an April fiscal year and Indians whose new year neatly aligns with the fiscal calendar in most countries. Even that is changing. Jan-mar is usually safe to assume q1 these days.

My point is InsideEVs says: “coming to Europe where sales will begin by the end of the fourth quarter”
The press release says: “It goes on-sale in selected European markets from the end of Q1 2019”

So which one is correct? My guess is the press release.

Uh from Chademo to CCS. That’s good to hear. I think Nissan made a huge mistake by still using Chademo in their Leafs. If I had to buy a car now, I’d never choose the Leaf because of that. And it’s not very efficient and no active TMS. But I don’t need a car, so that safes me a lot of money. 😬

Well, you admit you are a “Random Human”, so you do have that going for you, too! So, what good things have you done with some of that “saved” Money, Today?
🤔

Haha 😂
I’m trying to travel as often as I can in my 27 year old motorhome, in which I live. It’s such a dream to live in nature. Unfortunately not an electric motor home. For going to university and so on I’m fully relying on excellent public transportation in Germany. 😉

Good for you, but lets agree that you are a huge outlier when compared to most humans. You are not the rule, but rather the exception.

True that. 👍🏽

Can they make adapter or get sue to make adapter in markets where the CCS is dominating the CHAdeMO and they willing and negelicting to change their standard

ChaDeMO still outnumbers CCS in the majority or markets with over 20,000 connectors worldwide, and in some markets it’s the only standard that exists (like Japan, Chile, Jordan, and several others I can’t think of off the top of my head). It’s not going anywhere anytime soon…

Not in Europe. Especially 100kw+ stations are virtually nonexistent.
They should probably produce a CCS version and a Chademo version.

20 to 80% in 42 minutes still isn’t very fast unfortunately.

it doesn’t matter, especially on the smaller pack city version. There’s plenty of people with overnight charging available to them who just need a car for 60km a day. They can charge once in two days overnight and never skip a beat.

This car is not meant to go across Europe as fast as possible, you will be waiting long time for affordable car which can do that, without a fuss.

Lots of European families have one car, which they also use for long trips. Vacation for example. Fast charging matters for these people.

Dear Kia,

Please stop prepending “e-” to you vehicles to connote a BEV. It makes you look like you’re just learning what the internet is in 1998. It’s the Niro EV and Soul EV. End of story. InsideEVs editors please take note (you get it wrong half the time too — stop listening to Kia’s marketing department).

Double You, Double You, Double You, See En En, Dot Calm! INterNET thing!
/🤨

You just reminder me of the old e-Machines computer I had back in the day:)

Superb – and the name “Soul” itself adds significantly to its appeal – unlike, say, “Ampera-e” or “e-Up” or even the limp-sounding “Leaf” or the effeminate “Zoe”.
Hyundai understand “what’s in a name”…and the (Robert de) Niro is a sublime example.
It’d be great if the Soul were all-round 3-5% bigger than the current electric & ICE versions – but you can’t have it all. The e-Kona after all is slightly bigger than the gasoline Kona.
And yet again Hyundai exposes VW’s perpetual foot-dragging and jam-tomorrow promises…and Hyundai have no Dieselgate from which to regain trust and credibility.
(PS. do Americans understand the expression “jam-tomorrow” ? As in fruit jam/jello – sweet empty promises forever dangled, rarely delivered…)
Paul G

Never heard it before, but it makes sense. Thanks for the explanation.

The expression isn’t common but most Americans have read Lewis Carroll.

Jam Tomorrow? How about “I would Gladly Pay You Friday, For A Burger, Today!”
😮

My hunch is the VW ID Neo (ID.3?) will make most of these EVs seem a little underwhelming for bang for the buck. Not long off, end of the year or early next year. I personally wouldn’t touch one of these until the ID has been released.

250wh/kg! That puts KIA on par with Tesla cells.

Looks like the Koreans are only a couple of years behind Tesla/Panasonic on battery technology.

The big question is will the Korean battery makers save the best technology for Korean automotive or will they sell it to the Germans and other global brands?

Panasonic is already monopolized by Tesla and Toyota.

We could be about to witness a major re-ordering in the global automotive pecking order.

The only thing they lag behind Tesla is in battery production. Everything else, they can make it better, including the efficiency of electric cars. Ioniq EV is more efficient vehicle than Tesla model 3.

Well- to be fair, the Ioniq EV only has 28 kwh battery and 120 hp motor. In other words it is much lighter and much less powerful, so of course it is more efficient.

That’s at the cell level. I’d like to see the pack energy density. The Model 3’s pack energy density is 156 Wh/kg, and the Bolt EV’s is 137 Wh/kg. I’m guessing the Sou EV’s falls somewhere in between.

Make the boot/trunk a lot larger and half the proposed price (it will be too expensive), and I would be trying to buy one.

I suppose the coming Soul EV won’t be much bigger than my ICE model, from 2010! And, yes… That Trunk IS Short! People complain that the Model 3 is bad because it has no “Hatch”, but it has a much more usable Back luggage space, if not blocking the view of your Center Rear View Mirror, is important to you! Plus, a big Under Floor Luggage Space, PLUS, The Frunk!

The trunk is short, but it’s spacious. I was shocked to learn that Kona’s back interior space is actually smaller … Kona is just too small for me in the back.

Not a big fan of those wheels, or the taillight extending to the roofline. . . But who cares? GREAT CAR, I want to drive one. Check out that power and the independent suspension! Love the blue color.

I sat in one at the Toronto Auto show last week. Very well appointed and tons of room. If nothing affordable in an AWD Ev comes around in the next year I might get one of these.

It’s a roomy car, as I mentioned in one of previous posts … Kona is for example a smaller car, especially in the back, which kind of shocked me.

Will the price of the Kia e-Soul be comparable to the price of the Hyundai Kona Electric?

Pretty much guaranteed to be cheaper for the equivalent battery size.