Infographic: How Far Can An Electric Vehicle Make It From San Francisco Without Recharging?

8 months ago by Inside EVs Staff 24

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The folks over at Plugless (makers of wireless charging systems for several plug-in vehicles) assembled this rather nifty infographic using range data obtained from InsideEVs.

The range data can be found here, along with dozens of other charts on the various aspects of plug-in electric vehicles sold in the U.S.

Plugless’ infographic only includes the in-production, US plug-ins with ranges that exceed the U.S. average daily driving of 37 miles.

Of course, Tesla dominates the high range segment, but if you look closely, you’ll see the Chevrolet Bolt in there ahead of at least a few of the much more costly Tesla.

Editor’s Note:  And yes, we see that the latest (and longest range) Tesla offerings are not on the infographic list as of yet…but just go ahead an imagine the Model S 100D (details) with its 335 miles of range, and the new Model X 100D (details) with its 295 miles of range are on the chart too!

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24 responses to "Infographic: How Far Can An Electric Vehicle Make It From San Francisco Without Recharging?"

  1. Big Solar says:

    You could go from San Fran to LA in one charge in a 100D if you were conservative. (It does say p100D but I think its a typo.)

    1. Foo says:

      No typo. It shows 315 miles, which is the range of a P100D.

  2. MikeG says:

    Interesting copmparision. I’m not sure why the Tesla Roadster with battery upgrade wasn’t included–this should have the greatest range of any EV available today.

    1. unlucky says:

      Same reason neither RAV4 EV is up there. Because it isn’t available today. You can’t buy a new Tesla Roadster right now, with battery upgrade or without.

  3. protomech says:

    Don’t forget the 2017 Zero S motorcycle – 202 miles city range (~35 mph) with the power tank!

    http://www.zeromotorcycles.com/zero-s/specs.php

  4. menorman says:

    Good. Now make this map centered on somewhere in the Midwest or Plains states so that people can see that it’s not just us “crazy Komifornians” who can use EVs.

  5. zzzzzzzzzz says:

    Sounds like brainwashing.
    Just get Honda Clarity FC and you can go all the way from SF to Los Angeles without impeding traffic by hypermiling or suffering for an hour at a charger, if the range is important to you. 366 miles EPA range, more than 100D, all electric and “recharges” from 0 to 100% in 3 minutes.

    1. Foo says:

      Yeah, and use more energy and pollute more than a gasoline car. Sad.

      1. zzzzzzzzzz says:

        2 Foo:

        More energy, more upstream pollution, more PM pollution from burning tires is certainly no issue to owners of overweight behemoths from Tesla, that each adds few tons of extra CO2 manufacturing emissions, and not just CO2. So why not, remember “saving the world” justifies anything, as proven many times by all kinds of “savors” around the world.

    2. protomech says:

      > brainwashing

      A little laughable when presented together with “one true solution”.

      Hydrogen FCEV continue to improve, and Toyota at least is selling vehicles. That’s a big milestone.

      FCEVs still have 3 large hurdles to overcome:

      1. Chicken-or-egg infrastructure

      Home refueling is expensive. This means that virtually all transportation energy needs to be supplied by large filling stations outside the home, vs only 10-20% of energy with DC quick chargers.

      And the hydrogen filling stations are very expensive to build out, costing around an order of magnitude more than a tesla supercharger station with 8 stalls.

      Absent California government subsidies, it’s a tough sell to build out the infrastructure without vehicles on the road, or to sell vehicles without infrastructure in place – or even the option to refill at home at a reasonable price.

      2. Limited manufacturer confidence

      Disappointing to see Honda continuing the beta-test-disguised-as-lease with the Clarity FCEV. As with the GM EV1, that’s a big vote of no confidence from Honda and Hyundai.

      BMW and Mercedes have backed away from recent hydrogen projects.

      3. Poor energy efficiency

      Virtually all hydrogen is produced by steam refining of natural gas. A Honda Clarity FCEV – or Toyota Mirai – is only slightly more efficient than the cheaper Toyota Prius.

      Until there are truly large surpluses of renewables during the day that can dump energy into hydrogen, hydrogen will continue to be synonymous with natural gas – and each mile driven on hydrogen produced from electricity could be two or three miles if the same electricity was used to charge a BEV.

      1. zzzzzzzzzz says:

        You should upgrade these talking points.

        They are from last decade and no longer relevant.

        1. California has 66 H2 stations open or funded in various stages of construction. As money is spent already, they all will certainly open within couple of years. That is more than current count of proprietary Tesla chargers in CA and will provide much more power throughput and convenience. The same is in Japan, and likely in many European countries.

        2. “Limited manufacturer confidence” – investing billions of dollars is limited confidence? Are you expecting them to start producing at mass level before technology is fully tested and at proper price point? They are in business selling reliable mass market cars, not pumping shares.

        3. “Virtually all hydrogen is produced by steam refining of natural gas.” – frequently repeated lie, 45% or so of hydrogen in California stations is renewable, even if state requires 33% or so to match battery car emissions on California electric grid. Hydrogen as intermediate product in ammonia production is not relevant here.

        “Energy efficiency” is obsolete talking point when PV panel cost is below $0.40 and going down, but capacity factor is still below 40% and will likely to stay there. You can get electricity PPA at $0.02-0.03/kWh in certain sunny places. But you loose all your imaginary efficiency when you need to waste 10x more energy building battery storage to overcome low capacity factor to make this energy dispatchable. Hydrogen provides that long term storage for fraction of cost of batteries and enables renewables at wide scale. Storage cost is bottleneck now, not PV cost like it was 10 years ago.

        1. unlucky says:

          Not open is not open. You can’t use one that is merely “funded or in various stages of construction”.

          And 66 is not more than the number of Tesla Superchargers in California. It’s more than the number of Supercharger locations though.

          I have no idea what you think you’re accomplishing by trying to stay BEVs aren’t efficient if you have to build battery storage. With hydrogen you have to build infrastructure too. You brag about how great it is how much stuff has been built for H2!

          After you make H2 for petroleum (55% of it in California alone) you still have to compress it and cool it to store it. This takes a lot of energy. And then you put it in truck to move it to the fuelling station. Then the person drives to the fueling station (and back) to get it. With electricity you can fill up in your garage, and the grid, while not 100% efficient either, can deliver it to your house without you losing out going to get it.

        2. protomech says:

          > 1. California has 66 H2 stations open or funded in various stages of construction.

          https://ssl.toyota.com/mirai/stations.html

          Per Toyota’s map, it looks like 27 stations are open today in California, and another 4 or 5 slated to come online by the end of 2017.

          Tesla has 53 stations open today and has pledged to double the number of stations in the US by the end of 2017.

          These hydrogen stations are only available in California because California is sinking huge amounts of taxpayer money into them. Absent subsidies, the point remains – who will build these stations for the relatively small number of fuel cell vehicles?

          > 2. “Limited manufacturer confidence” – investing billions of dollars is limited confidence? Are you expecting them to start producing at mass level before technology is fully tested and at proper price point? They are in business selling reliable mass market cars, not pumping shares.

          Producing a car for lease only is a vote of no confidence. Period, full stop. Toyota is the only manufacturer that is willing to produce an actual retail project.

          “BMW will enter the fuel cell market early in the next decade, starting with very small production runs,” [BMW board member] Fröhlich said. “However, until 2025 at least costs will remain too high and the hydrogen infrastructure too sparse to allow broad-based market penetration. By the time the fundamentals are in place, the BMW Group will also have marketable products ready that are attractive to customers.”

          http://www.bmwblog.com/2016/10/13/bmw-will-enter-fuel-cell-market-early-next-decade-says-rd-boss/

          “[Hyundai green cars operations lead] Lee expected electric vehicles to account for about 10 percent of total global vehicle sales by 2025, from some 1 percent now, with China leading the way. Fuel-cell cars, by comparison, were unlikely to take off until 2025 but had long-term potential.”

          http://www.reuters.com/article/us-hyundai-motor-electric-idUSKBN17107N

          “Daimler AG head Dieter Zetsche said at an automotive summit in Germany this week that hydrogen fuel cells are no longer a major part of the automaker’s plans for the future.”

          http://fortune.com/2017/04/02/daimler-fuel-cell-car-development/

          > 3. “Virtually all hydrogen is produced by steam refining of natural gas.” – frequently repeated lie, 45% or so of hydrogen in California stations is renewable

          I didn’t say hydrogen for FCEV. Virtually all hydrogen is produced by steam refining. If FCEV stations are different, then it is because it is part of the subsidy mandate.

          If / once stations are no longer subsidized, what then? The capital cost to build a station becomes even higher, and the stations will end up being grid-tied anyways in the lucky event where demand exceeds renewable production capacity.

          Cheap solar is a GREAT thing, and no doubt hydrogen will (eventually) play a role in grid storage. For daily energy shifting applications, (4 to 8 hour runtime) battery storage will probably continue to be cheaper.

          For right now, though.. battery storage is surging. AES and Tesla brought online 50 MW just in the last couple of months in California, and Tesla is talking about a 100 MW battery for Australia.

          There are a couple projects in the 4 to 6 MW range for hydrogen. Maybe more soon.

          http://www.energystorageexchange.org/projects

        3. Jason says:

          After charging in my garage for the past year, why would I ever want to go to a gas station ever again? Long range EV and super fast charging will happen eventually, and that will only strengthen the BEV position.
          But it could be like VHS vs Betamax, and FCEV wins the day. Time will tell.

    3. paul smith says:

      Go anywhere else with a Clarity and try to find hydrogen re-fuelling.

    4. unlucky says:

      It can refuel only in a few places and none of those are your garage.

      One of the assumptions about this chart is that you start out with the full range of your vehicle available. This is very likely in a BEV since you can charge it in your garage. With an FCEV or an ICE car you generally start out with less. Most days you didn’t refuel before garaging the car the night before.

      FCEVs might be the vehicle for long-haul driving. I see them as making a lot more sense for long-haul trucking right now due to their energy density. Although I wonder if there are even better solutions using easier to store fuels. But this chart is for BEVs, not FCEVs or ICE cars (or at least not for ICE hybrids that turn on their ICEs!).

    5. Nix says:

      You can actually do that in any of the PHEV’s too….

      No new infrastructure.

  6. J Ros says:

    These numbers are AVERAGE ranges for a new car with properly inflated tires, only IF the driver decides to leave no buffer range.

    In reality, typical drives in good conditions have a normal distribution of ranges which CENTER around the distance shown. Depending on conditions/speed/ etc, range can be much SHORTER or LONGER than indicated. Averages don’t mean too much when very important things are at stake. Its the probability distribution of outcomes that consumers are mostly thinking about.

    1. Bob says:

      Very true. An now you must find out if your comfort zone is a range of 150% or maybe 250% of your average range.

      Mine was 300% before owning an EV. Now after two years of EV only, my comfort zone is 175%, and my wife’s 200%.

  7. Ocean Railroader says:

    Guys you forgot the Flintstones Car on this range chart.

    Granted it would maybe get five miles range going down hill.

  8. bruce dp says:

    [dated]
    Brighsun New Energy Bus With 1,000 km (600 miles) Range?

    http://insideevs.com/brighsun-new-energy-bus-1000-km-600-miles-range/

    Brighsun New Energy … electric buses, stated … record of 1004 km (623 miles) covered on a … (Melbourne.au to Sydney trip)

    (2seat) Tesla Roadster now has a 400-mile range—for a price
    fortune.com/2015/09/01/tesla-roadster-battery-upgrade/
    Sep 1, 2015 – For $29000, owners of the Tesla Roadster can upgrade the battery for better range …

    Tesla Model S 100D goes 335 miles per charge
    http://www.autoblog.com/2017/01/20/tesla-model-s-100d-range-price/
    Jan 20, 2017 – Tesla quietly adds 100D models for just $3,000 more than the 90D. … If you poke around Tesla’s Design Studio, you’ll find that the automaker now offers a Model S with 335 miles of range …

    For EVLN EV-newswire posts use:
    http://evdl.org/evln/

    1. Jay Cole says:

      Those are technically ahead, but not really applicable/in context to what the chart is demonstrating.

      The list is limited to in-production passenger EVs for the US market, so a Chinese bus in Australia, and a limited availability conversion kit for an EV that has been out of production for over half a decade doesn’t really count.

      This list is meant for real-world, realistic EVs that a person could actually go out and purchase new today.

      If all EVs, all-time, new or converted, built globally were compiled and graphed, there would actually be several more obscure vehicles and alternate transportation types added…and no Tesla would hit the top 10. However, in that case the list/exercise would be rendered useless…especially as its jumping off point is in reference to the area of range/distance from San Francisco.

  9. Four Electrics says:

    If the EV is a Honda Clarity fuel cell, the answer is 350 miles or 1000, depending on your definition of recharging.

  10. Nix says:

    It looks cool. Has lots of cool info. But I don’t get what the point is of putting battey-only range in for PHEV’s. The whole point is that when you deplete your battery you keep going on ICE.

    Comparing them this way strikes me as very Fox news-ish. Like they were doing one of their old famous reviews of the Volt making it sound like it would run out of battery and die in the tunnel and wait until you got an extention cord.

    Hey, I get that people want to go as far on battery as possible. But I don’t see where making it look like they have a range problem when they don’t. PHEV buyers understand they will have to use their ICE engine when it comes to range, so why make it look like they are inadequate in the range department, when they are not?

    I guess I’m just not that caught up in the EV purity thing, so I would have at least tacked on the range on a tank of gas in another color. Even though that would still ignore the ease of refilling with gas. It would at least make it not seem so negative towards PHEV’s.