Hyundai Kona Electric Gets Shockingly Low Price Tag In US

DEC 14 2018 BY DOMENICK YONEY 340

This should really juice demand!

The Hyundai Kona Electric has been long awaited in the U.S. But, when it arrives here early next year, we now know how much it will cost: $36,450. If we subtract the $7,500 federal tax credit from that, we’re looking at a mere $28,950. Then, there are the various state incentives that can reduce that number even more. Californians, for example, could be looking at an overall starting price of just $26,450!

What buyers will get in return is a competent compact crossover with a 64-kWh battery pack that returns an impressive EPA-rated range of 258 miles. That’s the best range of any all-electric available in the U.S. that isn’t a Tesla. The Kona Electric will come in several trim levels and pricing for higher-spec versions will be announced soon, according to the Korean automaker.

We believe that, at this price level, demand for the Kona Electric should be pretty significant. Though we had worried that the supply from the Korean automaker might be somewhat limited, the company has, recently, said that it will satisfy the U.S. hunger for the vehicle.

This news confirms for us that 2019 will be an extremely interesting one with regards to how the different plug-in choices affect the market. Will, for instance, the competitive arrival of this Hyundai have a negative effect on sales of existing electric models like the Chevy Bolt, or will it help expand the market overall? Perhaps it will force other automakers to sharpen their pricing pencils or offer more features in their offerings.

Check out the official press blast below for all the details.

Hyundai Kona Electric

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2019 HYUNDAI KONA ELECTRIC PRICING CONFIRMS AN UNPRECEDENTED SUB-$30K ELECTRIC CROSSOVER VALUE WITH 258 MILES OF RANGE VIEW ONLINE

• Kona Electric Starts Below $30,000 with Available $7,500 Tax Credit
• Generous 258-Mile Estimated Range Meets More Varied Lifestyle Needs
• New Electric CUV offers Youthful Design, Sporty Driving Character, Leading Safety Technology and Advanced Infotainment Features in an Affordable, Compact Footprint
• Abundant Suite of Standard Safety Equipment

FOUNTAIN VALLEY, Calif., Dec. 14, 2018 – Hyundai today announced the starting price for its long-awaited 2019 Kona Electric convention-breaking electric crossover. The Kona Electric starting price is $36,450, for an effective net price of $28,950 ($29,995 including delivery), with the electric vehicle tax credit of $7,500 factored in. Customers may receive the available federal tax credit of up to $7,500, dependent on individual tax circumstances, yielding a sub-$30,000 net value.

Pricing for other Kona Electric trims will be announced shortly.
Kona Electric rides on an all-new CUV platform and is Hyundai’s first compact electric crossover for the U.S. market, appealing to consumers with active, eco-focused lifestyles of all kinds. Kona Electric models will be produced in Ulsan, Korea and will be available in the beginning of 2019, with initial availability in California and subsequently in the ZEV-focused states in the western and northeastern regions of the U.S. market.

“Our new Kona Electric crossover is an exceptionally affordable, stylish and efficient compact electric CUV, tailored to the needs of customers who pursue eco-focused active lifestyles requiring generous range,” said Mike O’Brien, vice president of Product, Corporate and Digital Planning, Hyundai Motor America. “We’re confident it will set new standards for the electric-propelled compact CUV segment, with outstanding value, range flexibility, appealing design, cutting-edge connectivity, and class-leading available safety features.”

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Wowzers, for Coloradans thats only $23,950! Once it gets to this state.

Which it probably won’t, unless CO joins the ZEV standard, which is apparently currently inder consideration.

CO started the process, but won’t become a full ZEV state for a few years.

Do Not Read The Lines

https://www.colorado.gov/pacific/cdphe/zero-emission-vehicle-mandate-proposal

They’ve adopted LEV, but the Request For Hearing consideration for ZEV is now not scheduled until May 2019. If they grant the Request For Hearing and schedule rulemaking then there’ll be another process for that.

Hyundai promised to sell it in all states. That article is linked in this one. They won’t have inventory everywhere, but anyone who orders the car can buy it from and pick it up at a dealership in their own state, thus getting all state credit.

That means no leases. That means only affluent buyers will be tempted. Especially since those dealers will NOT be equipped to service electric cars, and out-of-state repairs will be required for some more time.
I think that’s why Hyundai did it this way. Avoids bad PR, yet heavy preselection means small to none pressure on stock/availability in core markets.

It also lets them maintain price, which they usually have trouble doing. If they flood the market like Bolt EV they will be selling for usual Kia 10 or 15% discount.

“Flood the market” ? The Bolt ?!? Not even 20k in the US this year, after 2 years. You’re kidding right?

That’s because people are digging deep to buy Model 3s, a much more compelling car and currently fifth in US sedan sales.

Plus 500. You took the astonished words right out of my mouth.

Chevy is only building 35k/year. If Chevy *really* wanted to satisfy EV demand, they need to increase the fast charge rate to 80kW(just like Niro/Kona) and boost production to 52k/year.

My dealer in San Diego had too many Bolts at year end and cut the price to 34K before rebates. The discount comment was right on but the flood is a bit much. They reached their 200,000 mark might quickly though, including the Volt.

They need to change quality if they want to sell. It was a drawback for me. Rear suspention and seats should not be in a priced car like that!

It’s a damn Ioniq Powertrain. All service centers can deal with it

If the car will only be available as a special order in most areas, that most likely means you can forget about haggling for the price. Pay full sticker price or forget it… or at best get only a very slight discount from full price.

There are many ways to limit sales of a model of car to a very low volume, and that’s one of them.

Yes true. But at that price, even paying sticker is a bargain for what you get. Its not like every one won’t be spoken for in advance.

When supply is less than demand dealers tend to price gouge. Remember the first two years of the modern Shelby Mustangs? People saw an instant collector’s item and only top dealers got allotments for one or two of them. Locally, Ford dealers here were asking $70,000 – $90,000 for a $40,000 car! Today, you can buy used ones for cheap and new ones aren’t considered rare or constrained and go for MSRP on down.

Compliance play no matter how you slice it. If you have to ship it to your local dealer. Will service be available? Parts? Maybe.

Satisfying North American hunger for the product sounds iffy. No doubt there will be waiting lines. Not terrible as most Tesla owners waited patiently for eons if not six weeks minimum. I see most of these going to California. Buyers in the other 10 ZEV states will no doubt get a slow dole.

Effect Bolt and LEAF sales? I think that is a given. It seems like a competent car with a bit better size and interior quality, definately better seats and AC.
Range is a push with most Bolt owners getting 250 miles range on the flat in temperatures above 55 degrees F. Air cooled, 60kwh LEAF in a non Ghosn world….Meh.

Just think of the whopping sales of this model if not for all the game playing and hiding from mass media advertising. This is what people need and want. Put out a more compact sized crossover and price it around $35-40,000 before incentives and they’d need new factories to fill all the orders.

I disagree with the “better size” part of your comment when comparing the LEAF and the Kona. The LEAF is 4480mm length, the Kona is 4165. Kona is 25mm taller but the LEAF has 20% more storage space inside. I’d take the LEAF size overall since I appreciate the cargo space more than the higher ride height.

No lease

Hyundai and Kia has bad lease rates. Buying is always better for those two.

GM has awesome leases rates. They are giving away the Volt and Bolt in California.

Must I remind that a leased car is a rental? If they were, “giving them away”, the term would be relevent as a bargain price to one who purchases.

Not sure I’d call it a “shockingly low price”. Same price as the Bolt when you add the destination charge.

They will have the advantage of the full Tax Credit (the Bolt loses that after March) unless Congress changes something.

$170 cheaper than a Bolt. Guess that’s shocking? Lol

If you spec out the bolt ev to Kona ev base, it’s 39,790.

Do Not Read Between The Lines

And what discounts will be available?
We know the Bolt has some heavy discounts.

Probably none to begin with as it will be in short supply and high demand.

Have seen Bolt Premier with most options ticked listed for $32k before incentives.

You can’t, really. Compared to the Bolt, Kona has multilink suspension, upgraded seats, premium interior, auto lane keeping, auto headlights, auto wipers, heads-up display, ventilated seats, 50% faster charging, 10% higher efficiency, 10% more range, and, IMHO, much better styling. I’m sure there’s more — Kona is very well equipped.

For the same money, the Bolt doesn’t even have fast charging capability at all, and if you buy that you only get the 50 kW CCS port.

Bolt has some strong points, but Kona is definitely better value now. And it should be — it’s nearly two years since the Bolt launched. At a price that was, back then, far more shockingly low than the Kona is now.

“Bolt has some strong points”
What are they?

Roominess, acceleration, regeneration, availability. Speaking as a Bolt daily driver, not an armchair “professor”

Compared to the Kona, Bolt is not roomy. Both Bolt and Kona lack for much practical stowage space. Bolt has good headroom, but a cramped subcompact size,

No available ACC or Lane Keep and a hard plastic interior with seats straight out of the iKea bargain bin. The cheap twist beam rear suspension also makes the independantly sprung Hyundai look like a much better choice for the money. GM is not standing still, but moving in a backwards direction.

The promised Buick version of the Bolt would have cured some of those woes, but for far too high of asking price. No matter, GM quietly shelved the Buick Bolt. Now if Hyundai would only stop the ZEV play and just make and sell their EVs all over, we would have ourselves some progress.

“Compared to the Kona, Bolt is not roomy.“

Huh? Bolt has a full 3” additional leg room in rear seats and reviewers say the cabin fees much more roomy in Bolt EV than Kona.

I have a Volt with that damned twisting axle rear end. Hit a bump on a curve your taking with a little spirit and it reacts wildly.

Comparing speced out Bolt to stock Kona would only make sense if Kona already incuded all the stuff in base….

Bolt EV is not available with ACC nor Lane Keep or comfortable seats…

For an MSRP of around $42,000 give or take, the Premier or top spec Bolt EV does come with a swanky video rear view mirror and extremely unpadded hard plastic interior…Not to mention a twist beam rear suspension….

And it will absolutely kill Bolt sales because as GM loses its tax credits the Kona/Niro will be thousands cheaper and have much nicer interiors and vastly better DCFC speeds compared to the gimped speeds that GM stupidly thought would be ok.

GM will likely drop the Bolt EV price as they lose the tax credit.

I would not bet on that!

More likely the Bolt sees the chopping block, GM has no appetite to compete.

Maybe GM cancels EV production to focus on steam power?

Some people that don’t like Kona’s trucklike look might stay with the Bolt. More importantly, GM has a sizable budget tied to the EV line and plan some interesting new models. It’s possible GM will sit back and be surpassed but I doubt it. The Spark was a competitive car at the time and the Bolt set a standard that may be passed three years after it’s introduction. Looks to me like the battle among EV builders will drive down the price for better and better cars.

I wouldn’t either. The way GM sell the Bolt EV makes it pretty clear they are making very little profit on the car, so I don’t expect them to drop the price unless it’s merely a token amount.

They’ll set the price where it needs to be to sell as many EVs as GM needs to (to avoid getting fined over fleet averages). Without incentives and with tougher competition, that ought to be a lower one than now, but we can safely assume they aren’t going to attempt outselling the Kona or otherwise try to compete in the normal way. The Bolt is pretty good IMO, but it is a compliance car!

(Lots of folks use that term as if it describes how it’s engineered, but it really means any car sold only to comply with regulations. The Bolt, unchanged, would seize to be a compliance car tomorrow if GM did all it could to make and sell as many as possible. But with losses on each, that doesn’t seem very likely.)

By your definition the Kona EV is a compliance car in the US, sold only in ZEV states, strip the critical battery heater preventing sale in northern climates. Bolt EV is 50 state available.

Tougher fleet average standards where supposed to be activated in USA in near future. Current administration works on high revs to crash them.

They’re intentionally limiting availability outside of a few areas, and limiting supply even there, so yes, it’s a compliance car.

If they told LG in early 2016 that they want 200k batteries in 2019 (well after the Bolt was revealed), LG would have built capacity.

By that definition, every mass produced EV outside China is a compliance car except Tesla’s models and the Leaf.

Stretching the meaning of a term so far that it becomes meaningless doesn’t help communication in any way; it merely adds to confusion.

“By that definition, every mass produced EV outside China is a compliance car except Tesla’s models and the Leaf.”

So what? That’s the unequivocal truth! These half assed efforts (whether in the design or production intent) do next to nothing for the future of sustainable transport.

We haven’t even heard of any plans for large future production from Hyundai.

Yes. Kona EV, Niro EV, Bolt, Volt and all other EVs sold today other than Teslas are absolutely compliance cars.

Does anyone else out there truly believe otherwise?

Volkswagen is emerging as the wildcard. Not only motivated by mandates, they have big PR problems to overcome. After Dieselgate, Europeans are purchasing far less diesels.

Production volume constrained other markets the the U.S. will appreciated more.

Calling a car a “compliance car” when it has consistently been among the top 5 sellers in its market segment (plug-in EVs), makes no sense.

You can of course, like Humpty Dumpty, use a word to mean whatever you want, but also like Humpty Dumpty, what you say will be nonsense to readers.

Where I generally agree with you most times, I heartily disagree with you here. Selling only in ZEV states = compliance. Building microscopic numbers of a car when you sell 5 million cars and trucks annually = compliance. Designing your EV to a niche segment or no segment ( Bolt is neither subcompact or compact, crossover nor sedan ) that does not compete with ANY OTHER model in your lineup = compliance. I-Pace, MQB or e-Tron have no ICE counterparts in their respective company’s lineups = compliance. Build a car because governnent mandates force you to and you lose money on every one, then minimize the bleeding by not comparing ownership benefits to ICE models = compliance. Not advertising your EV whilst spending hundreds of millions of dollars promoting your gas models as high tech and cutting edge = compliance. Minimizing losses on EV expenditure by propagandizing them as primarily for your Autonomy Division = compliance. The game is played in many ways. I have named a few. The excuse by OEM gasosaur company apologists is always, “…but they are a business after all, and they have to make money and appease the stockholders – lithium batteries are EXPENSIVE!” Another… Read more »

I would bet that the Kona and Niro come to the US in only the low thousands next year at best. I’d love to be wrong but the Ioniq EV is only coming in the low hundreds and only to L.A. in its second year.

Aren’t they. Already loosing thousands on every bolt sold?
Now they will loose even more.

We really know the answer to that question.

Some folks are saying the development cost is included in the loss figure. If so, then that cost is there if they sell one car or a million. So there my be some wiggle room to lower the price.

GM/FCA/Ford make the most money on the lowest tech, cookie cutter, truck formulas they can find. You can’t say for sure EVs lose money. Just less profitable. That’s all it took for them to abort.

Perhaps, but do you think the price will drop $7,500? Plus there is still the crummy seats issue.

No, but it will probably drop $3,000 shortly after the credit gets cut in half. And then it will drop $1,000 when it gets cut in half again.

We will see. I very strongly doubt GM will drop the price more than a few hundred dollars at most.

There are efforts being made to both extend and eliminate the rebate so who knows if it will even be an issue? Car models do improve over the years so maybe new seats or minor tweaks will fix some of the Bolts shortcomings.

Seat issue was resolved quietly I think as a running change for 2018 model.

Only marginally improved. Maybe next year.

GM plans on shifting Bolt EV to mostly Cruise Automation Autonomy duty.

They, like everyone else, have their very coy BEV strategy mapped out. All ICEmakers truly believe Tesla will fold. They will not continue to lose money on every Bolt sold.

It makes me wonder what their Plan B is. If indeed, Tesla SUCCEEDS.

Check back in ten years and see who is stupid. I believe that GM is babying the battery to ensure it will last 10 years and therefor no warranty claims. Other manufacturers well… we’ll see. Just like ICE powered cars, I’m convinced that odometer mileage is a very different animal than calendar years. Until any of the modern generation battery packs go ten years, it’s hard to judge IMO. Then again, people that never intend to keep any car longer than 3 years before they turn it back really don’t care about such things.

I don’t agree. Say you give the Bolt 75 kW charging and it cause 5% of the BEV packs to fail within warranty vs. 2% of the ones that charged at a max rate of 50 kW. So you have 3% additional packs that need to be re-furbed and installed in Bolts that have packs that have degraded more than 20% within 8 years.* It isn’t like GM is going to give everyone a new pack, they will just use re-furbed packs and that will cost them very little. And they will not lose sales to people who want to be able to DCFC at 75 kW on their roadtrips. Faster charging is a big sales feature for a lot of people even if they use it seldom.

* I think the warranty is for 20% but I could be wrong on that.

Warranty on the bolt is a 40% loss in 8 years. That is huge and would cut winter range down to less than 100 miles. I also don’t expect that they will refurb packs. Even if one cell fails, the other cells are all old and will have decereased capacity due to time. Why put a new cell in and still have a degraded pack.

Serial EV bashers have been bleating that crap for years. “Oh, the battery will wear out after just a few years!”

Funny thing, you EV bashers have to keep adding years to the number of years when supposedly battery packs will start suddenly failing, as the number of years that actual mass-produced EVs have been on the road.

With the 2008 Tesla Roadster, we’re up to 10 years now. Still no signs of mass failure of battery packs…

Also the spreadsheets let us do future projection, and most Tesla batteries look like they will last a lot longer than 20 years even.
https://steinbuch.wordpress.com/2015/01/24/tesla-model-s-battery-degradation-data/
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/t024bMoRiDPIDialGnuKPsg/edit#gid=1669966328

Once the credits run out for GM, the price difference WILL be shocking.

The Kona including destination and typical Calif. sales tax is $41k if sold at list price. After tax credit and rebate $31k. Not cheap certainly compared to a Prius LE or gas Kona but a relatively good value for an EV. The Kona, Niro and 60kWh Leaf will all (hopefully) be selling with full tax credit by mid 2019 (when my PHEV lease ends). It will be interesting to see what kind of deals Hyundai, Kia and Nissan USA offer and what the dealers add on top. (Bolt in there too but will be down to $3750 credit)

First, the United States is entering a recession, so it’s by no means guaranteed that demand will outstrip supply, even in California.

Second, most people don’t owe the federal government $7,500 after they’ve completed their tax return, because most people are employees, and it’s very unlikely that an employee would owe that much given their payroll tax deductions throughout the year. Most buyers will be able to take a few hundred or a few thousand dollars of the tax credit, with the rest wasted.

Real seats, independent rear suspension, better charging speed, more efficient….yes, shocking.

So does the $36,450 include destination; I suspect not but does anyone actually know???

$29995 includes destination charge according to the article. So to answer your question, $36450 does not include destination charge.

Not according to one of the press releases I saw. Destination charge looked to be about $1,000.

Yes. If I thought $37000 was shockingly cheap, I would have bought a Bolt.

The bolt does not look like a 40,35, or $30K
car. It looks like a car in the $19K – $25K

Kona looks like a car in the $22k -$32K

No, pretty sure they both look like $20k cars, in fact, the Kona has a $20k version available, the Bolt EV does not.

Where’s the $20k Kona with 201HP?

Lowest trim Kona with 1.6L turbo with 175hp starts at $25,500, excluding destination.

The Kona EV cost $25,450 in California, after tax credit and rebate.

See above, about $31k with list price sale, destination, sales tax, tax credit and Calif. rebate.

I’m pretty sure GM will have full tax credits until June?

Nope.

Nope – they crossed 200K during Q4 of 2018 (within the past month) meaning they only have the rest of this quarter + all of next quarter, so the reduced credit will be there starting in April.

GM seems to kind of be doing the opposite of maximizing how much they can take advantage of this credit, by ending Volt production right now… unless that leads to increasing Bolt production by more than they’re reducing Volt production, which I don’t think it does.

The Volt production is not ending until Q2 I think.

Thank you Taylor

Ah, I see. I hadn’t seen anything official from GM or the IRS yet, so I was assuming it hadn’t happened yet. But I’m seeing an article now saying exactly what you said. Thanks.

Thru March.

If you are titled by March 31, 2019 you are available for the full $7,500 tax credit.

Better range

Some people with money could probably export a full ro-ro car carrier to Norway, and make a $5-8K profit on each vehicle. That is excluding the tax credit too. Just register, and export directly after, like KIA does in Germany.
That is of corse, if Hyundai can deliver that many. In Norway, they stopped taking orders after 20K orders. It was supposed to take two years to deliver those 20K.
If they have no limit on how many they can deliver to Norway, they can be the number 1 seiling car here.

The ICE versions are selling for ~$21k, so nothing shocking here. Yeah, may be compared to future Model Y prices, it is shockingly low. But not compared to its ICE cousin. I assume, this is fr the base model Kona EV.

It should be compared to the Turbo version, since the Kona electric has better performance than the base version.
So it is somewhat close to $30.
Then the standard features need to be compared closely.

Good, point.
Only Tesla and Volvo are really honest about their positioning of EVs compared to ICEs. Tesla has non ICEs. Volvo makes PHEVs their top trim for a given model.
Everybody else tries to position EV as a different model even if that’s basically the same model. So unaware folks think all the standard outfit from base model ICE trim is all they will get on base EV trim. Which is not.

Please stop comparing ice cars to EVs. They are totally and completely different animals.

At current prices without the tax credits and rebates most mid and lower price (except maybe the base model 3 if it arrives) would be virtually unsaleable at least in the USA. Will manufacturers be able/willing to lower prices enough to sell them? Seems doubtful. Maybe an all democratic federal govt. in 2000 will reinstate the credit to some date certain for everybody. Move to a purple state if you can and vote.

I don’t mean to be argumentative, but there isn’t going to be a Model Y, because there isn’t going to be a Tesla. As I mentioned above, the US is going into recession. Tesla just cut it’s workforce by 5%, and the executives are leaving in droves. What possible reason could there be other than decreasing sales? You don’t lay that many people off if the Model 3 is selling well, because you’d need them to build the car.

And don’t get any magical ideas about someone swooping in and buying the company, because everything, even the factory, is leveraged as collateral somewhere. No one is going to buy Tesla, but someone might pick up the factory for pennies on the dollar once Tesla enters bankruptcy.

Tesla is not in any condition to weather a recession, and this one is likely to be worse than 2008. Ford, Nissan, GM, Toyota, Honda, and Hyundai will be hurt, but they’ll survive; Tesla is history.

I was very surprised. I have a Bolt and even I think the interior, suspension, electronics, streamlining, seats and milage are superior and make it very appealing. Pricing it less than the Bolt was unexpected…..OK, maybe shocking is a little too strong.

I paid NZ$75, 000 for my base model Kona out the door. No incentives, no discounts, and I assure you those dollars took just as many hours to earn as they would have in the US.

GM must be preparing for the reveal of their new EV model.

IF they have a new EV model in the pipeline.

Otherwise there might be a problem for GM in 2019.

I thought they were supposed to have two new EV models by end of the year, maybe they were referring to the Chinese models?

I think so the Buick Enclave, or whatever, got scotched by Trump Tariff Man.
Then another one before the Summer, two in 18 months was the promise made Oct 2017.

Do Not Read Between The Lines

Buick Envision is imported from China.

They did announce the Bajoun E200 and the Buick Velite 6 PHEV and BEV for China.

Benz-

GM is clearly having problems currently.

Good for Gm with their problems

I personally could care less about GM.

Mary has lots of work to do

Time to reinvent GM.

There’s always been a problem with the “not profitable” Bolt.
You can lease a BMW i3 cheaper.
Mic-Drop.

Who would want to? Supply and DEMAND my friend. Second mic-drop.

I’ll pick up the mike…

But then you’d be paying twice or more what it costs to lease a Leaf, and getting a BEV that has no better range.

Lies from GM just like Ford

What are you talking about? What lies? This is a thread about Hyundais.

They have already revealed the Buick Enspire.

There was also the FNR-X (not to be confused with the FNR), which could still go into production. It was revealed in 2017, I think.

Yea, the tax credit phase out will hit the Bolt hard. GM doesn’t really have an international market for it, like Tesla has for the 3 and w/o the tax credit, their cars compare increasingly unfavorable to competitors that still have them.

Maybe GM shouldn’t have given up on Europe so quickly.

Yes, GM needs to create a new brand for its EVs, which will help them sell in Europe, where GM’s current brands have a bad reputation still lingering from the junk cars GM made in the 1970s and 1980s.

@ PP

Good comment.

Perhaps GM should copy what Daimler did with the Mercedes Benz EQ line of EV models?

How about a Chevrolet EC line of EV models?

They could stick to their theme of naming new car companies after planets. Their last company was Saturn. If they go with the next planet in line, they could name their next company U…..

Ok, maybe not such a great idea. *grin*

WOW! Things are advancing at a fast and furious pace in the EV world. If I were currently in the market for a new EV this would definitely be under consideration. While I am quite happy with my 2018 Leaf, by the time it comes due for replacement there’s going to be so much more choice available at the lower price points. Bring em on!

It beats the Leaf hands-down.
Aside from the Bolt.

Nope the Bolt too

IMHO this vehicle has a nicer interior than a bolt but then again so does a base model Elantra less hard plastics anyway. Ergonomics in the Hyundai better though that may be a subjective. This is still too expensive IMHO for what it is but if Hyundai manages 50 state availability and some decent lease terms I’m sure they will have decent “sales” numbers. Cool vehicle though the next few years are going to be interesting to watch. I picked up a preowned Model S late last winter for just a little bit more than this so by the time I go to retire it in a few years my hopes are high that there will be more 50 state choices. Remember that the price of $36,450 doesn’t include tax and destination which will put this base model at an off the lot of around $40k. 2015-2016 Model S’s can be had in my area with under 40k miles for around $45k financed with a warranty from Tesla. Mine for is still under warranty not that I’ve needed it since the first owner suffered through that for me.

$40k Kona has $7,500 tax credit plus any rebates. Used cars have no credits/rebates.

I’ll have to compare if/when I ever get to see a Kona EV in person, but looking at the photos the Kona Interior is more old school traditional, while the Bolt is a bit more contemporary and futuristic EV.

@Diesel a used car is still a used car and the S is an expensive car to insure and to fix out of warranty. A door handle replacement is about $700 and they tend to fail pretty often on those early cars. So while they might cost the same to buy, they won’t cost the same to own over 6 years.

Depends are where you live for state and local utiliy incentives and if you can use the federal tax credit.

If none of those applies, then buying used is a wise decision.

I’d have to see if the driver assistance tech matches ProPilot before declaring that.

Otherwise, things haven’t really changed from Leaf vs Bolt, aside from the Kona looking better and being smaller than the Bolt.

I’m in the same position — love my ’18 Leaf, but I’m already thinking of what to do when I want to replace it, and, more important, if something will come along to replace my wife’s Rogue so we can go all electric.

Between the Soul EV, the Kona EV, the upcoming Mini, I feel a case of the vapors coming on.

If it was me I would do the Soul. It’s subjective but I love the way it looks. Who doesn’t love hampsters.

Do Not Read Between The Lines

Someone who doesn’t know what a hampster is. 😉

Kia’s going to stick a bigger battery in the Soul as well as selling the Niro EV.

Kona is a pretty awesome offering. I’m bummmed they don’t have a battery heater.

That’s pretty aggressive pricing from Hyundai! If they can really make a profit selling at that price, then more power to Hyundai!

But let’s wait to see what the sales volume is. If it’s sold in mere compliance car numbers, then that’s a sign it’s likely being sold below cost.

Yeah, the fact that the say their starting in CA, and then moving to other CARB states does not say to me “we’re making a ton of money selling these.” I mean, I get the prioritization, but….

I think they expect them not to sell well in US so mostly ignore it except for EV markets.

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If they sell out of the 100 they offer then it “Sold Well”………LMAO

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If it was EV markets they were looking at they’s say California, the other ZEV states, Florida and Colorado.

I think it’s just that the country is so big and spread out that they focus on the ZEV states for two reasons. The first being a greater liklihood of purchase due to state incentives. Secondly, these are the states where Kia/Hyundai have been training up dealers to service EVs. It makes sense to grow and spread that organically instead of trying to force that on all dealers. Even in Maryland, it seems very much to be an opt-in for the dealerships.

Get your state to join CARB.
But, that’s currently where the big sales numbers are.
In Pennsylvania, you have to cross over to New Jersey to get some of these cars.

Going over to NY to pick one up or ship one from California

Every car company would move like that, no matter how much profit the car makes. And especially if you consider the ramp up phase, starting in CA, where you can easily move tons of EVs AND get ZEV credits, just makes more sense than distributing the first units over the whole country.

We are also a a point in time, where car makers need to time their tax credits. So they need to have a wide lineup ready once they hit 200k. Hyundai/Kia has the Ioniq, the Kona, the Niro and the Soul, but they need to be fully ramped up by the time they hit 200k.

The sales number in California will be very good I imagine(I’ll be one of the first in line for one, or the e-Niro, come 2019), but regardless of it’s overall sales numbers this should be very exciting news for EV fans and I hope it really creates a ripple through the auto industry. Kudos to Hyundai and Kia for offering well designed and appointed EVs at an affordable price.

GM did this 2 years ago and sold in all 50 states. How is this new? PS GM didn’t send any ripples through the industry as they had hoped. Tesla is doing that at the moment though.

Kona EV is being sold all over Europe.

As GM should have done with the Bolt EV, but didn’t only because of sale of Opel. Poor timing for the Bolt EV. They would have sold plenty in Norway and Europe. People would be talking about Opel the way they are about Kia now. It was a missed opportunity, would have been able to reimagine Opel. US is not the right market for Bolt EV.

That is absolutely correct.

The price tag we got, the car not so much. Where is it? When can we get it?

Hey, they’ve been soliciting sales nationwide in Canada for months and we still have no word on price – and (supposedly) mine is to be delivered next month.

Maybe read the entire article….

Early 2019 doesn’t really answer the question on availability.

At that price Bolt sales will plummet. Kona does not look like a bozo mobil.

The $26,450 “Shockingly Low Price” in California could be EVen up to $1k less, as eligible SCE utilitiy customers get additional EV discounts starting next month.

https://evrebates.sce.com/cleanfuel

You can’t get the $2500 rebate in California AND the HOV lane sticker anymore, you have to choose one or the other. Most people in the metropolitan CA areas are looking for sticker cars, so the rebate won’t play a part in reducing the price out the door.

“Higher income consumers will not be eligible for CVRP rebates if their gross annual income exceeds $150,000 for single tax filers, $204,000 for head of household filers and $300,000 for joint filers”

You can get both if your income is less than $300,000/year.

Sorry, you’re right. I should have spoken in more general terms.

It looks like it is rated overall better than the Bolt but I would opt buy American plus it appears like the Bolt is more fun to drive. Being said, I will wait for a stripped down 3 or the Model Y. I hope they introduce the cheaper versions of the Y not too late in the game. I want the equivalent of the BMW X2 in an electric version – when will that be here?

https://insideevs.com/chevrolet-bolt-hyundai-kona-electric-compared/

Cheaper Y? You could do a 3 year lease on this Kona before that will be available.

Your patriotism is appreciated, but Bolt is basically a S. Korean car as well.

Watch the video. They didn’t like the Bolt seats.
You can’t ignore those seats.
You can’t ignore the Bolt rear suspension either.

Like I’ve said before. The Bolt was designed to Punish the green buyer.

The 2010 Bolt EV is supposed to have improved seats and suspension. Is the new model year not being sold yet?

http://gmauthority.com/blog/2018/08/2019-chevrolet-bolt-ev-on-deck-for-better-seats-improved-suspension/

You are correct, the 2019’s are now out with those improvements. Around 3000+ 2019’s are available according to cars.com. Less than 300 2018’s. and 2017’s are available. So the seats and suspension are non-issues now, if the updates worked.

Er, 2019 Bolt EV, not 2010! (Guess I’m living in the past. 😉 )

Thanks, NIx!

You clearly never drove one.

I drove a 2017, and I think the seats are horrible. Didn’t buy the car!

I had the same reaction to the 17 Bolts I drove. Test drove several 19’s when I heard the seat padding was improved. Seats were much better and wound up buying a Bolt to get the tax credit while realizing the Bolt was going to be on the only realistic long-range EV for the foreseeable future where I live. Still added more padding to my 19 seat. Took a few hours but now it’s very nice and comfy.

Not buying GM if they cutting jobs and sending other jobs to Mexico.(Blazer)

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The Bolt sends some jobs to S Korea. Fewer than the KoNiro, though.

Sure, you show them by buying a car 100% made in Korea. Now that’s patriotism!

Korea buys American products all the time and our very favorable to our troops on the peninsula

The flip side of this is by not buying GM they are forced to cut costs and send some jobs to Mexico. It really isn’t a good reason to buy or not buy GM. Buy the car you like irrespective of who made it.

Still not buying them. Make better American products. Keep ur promises

This is how you bitch slap GM and Nissan

By undercutting the Bolt by $170? Lol some bitchslap

No, by delivering a much better car

Much better in what ways?

– more range
– level 1 autonomy
– ACC
– moonroof
– ventilated seats
– DECENT seats
– not dorky looking
– faster charging

– HUD
– Heat Pump
– More Efficient, especially when it’s cold

Bolt’s winter range is 125 miles. The Kona will blow that away with the Niro coming in at 233 winter miles.

No. It’s more than 160 miles. On winter tires.

No one use winter tires here

Then it’s even higher.

Not in US without a battery heater. Kona is only for moderate or warm climates here.
https://insideevs.com/hyundai-kona-electric-not-for-usa/

HUD Is not on the base model though. Have to get the Ultimate trim for that.

US model of Kona has NO battery heater, it is going to be horrible in the cold and could face battery longevity issues because of that, or at least lost power. Not sure how it will cope with that.
https://insideevs.com/hyundai-kona-electric-not-for-usa/

Are you sure the heat pump is there ? Because I read that apparently it was removed for the French market. Along with the ventilated seats.

Bolt is rated slightly better highway efficiency than the Kona, so highway range might be pretty close. Though with Kona charging faster, I’m sure the Kona would win a road trip race.

Reviewers seem to agree that the cars are quite similar, but where they do differ, the Kona is better in every respect than the Bolt EV except for rear seat room.

And heck, even just glancing at the cars… the Bolt EV is a dorkmobile; the Kona isn’t.

https://insideevs.com/edmunds-hyundai-kona-electric-vs-chevy-bolt/

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And acceleration

1. DC fast charging all the way to 74% (bolt 55%).
2. ACC (in California rush hour, it’s a requirement). Bolt no ACC.
3. DCFC included ($750 for Bolt)
4. Driver comfort and safety standard ($1545 extra for the Bolt)
5. 64 kWh usable.
6. Power seats.
7. 5 level of regeneration braking.
8. 72 kW DCFC speed (bolt 55 kW)
9. Full tax credit
10. 10-20% more efficient per Bjorn.
11. Faster dcfc when battery is cold soaked (ask bro1999 about his misadventures with the bolt in winter).

5 levels of regen but weaker overall regen.

Pulling on the regen paddle will bring it to a complete stop , just like the bolt. What more do you need?

ACC with stop and go requires highest option package according to website, so price will likely be mid 40s. Bolt EV advantage is you could buy one today and probably get 15% off MSRP.

I now realize that Kia is limiting this heavily in the US to maintain price (otherwise they would be discounting them heavily too).

I wouldn’t buy the Bolt EV due to lack of ACC and if I am going to bother with DCFC I need 125 kW charging or so at minimum or I buy a PHEV.

It is not, with the exception of a couple available options it is essentially the same thing as the Bolt EV. I will give you faster charging, but GM could easily update the Bolt EV there, it is going on year 3 starting the end of the month.

It is a nearly identical car.

The Kona EV will not have a battery heater in the US market (it does in Europe). This means it will be hampered in northern climates, unlike the Bolt EV.

Source?

I don’t like including links as it tends to cause moderation on comments. A quick Google search for Kona Battery Beater US will reveal several.

Of course fix my typos, so I just posted link from IEV citing no battery heater.

Undercutting by $170, but with more range and a much more luxurious interior. The Bolt’s only strong point is having a roomier interior. Overall I’d say Kona is better unless you really need to seat larger adults in the back and carry big items.

Does the base model have a more luxurious interior? That is what is going to be selling for $37,000.

No argument. Using an ICE frame compromised interior room of Kona. Niro BEV appears to help in this area but will be more expensive in base trim.

The Kona interior is not luxurious, and I don’t know why people complain so much about Bolt EV. It has a great large touchscreen and interior is modern and fine.

I do think Kona has features more interesting to me, ACC available (or is it standard, hard to tell), but remember this is the base price, leather interior and such are optional like on the Bolt EV. The lack of battery heater on US Kona means it is a no go for me. I really can’t own a BEV without a battery heater (they don’t like -25 C much).

By undercutting the Bolt with something that is in a FAR more desirable vehicle class to American consumers.

Other than the Kona being more attractive – depending on your tastes.

The looks of the Kia Nero EV is more mainstream and similar to an ICE than Kona or Bolt. It may have a market advantage competing for current ICE buyers.

Kona isn’t a CUV/SUV. It is actually 1.2 inches shorter than that Bolt EV. Length and width, they are within 1 inches of each other. Both are FWD only.

Bolt is quicker to 60mph. Kona has slightly more range. It is a wash.

The Bolt EV isn’t a CUV/SUV, either, even if Chevy calls it that for marketing purposes. It’s a hatchback.

Well, then the Kona is too.
Both cars have the same size. The Kona is a tad heavier.
And the Bolt has a slightly roomier interior.

Certainly the Kona is a hatchback…. altho I see it, too has been labeled as something bigger for marketing purposes.

Wikipedia says “The Hyundai Kona is a subcompact five-door crossover SUV…”

*Sigh* Might as well just call every 4-wheel passenger vehicle that’s not a pickup an “SUV”. 🙄 Honestly, I think it’s coming to that.

Except it is actually classified as one.

Companies self classify. And since the ICE Kona has AWD available, and a higher ride height than the Kona EV, it can be argued to qualify as a small utility vehicle. So the EV gets the same classification as it’s ICE counterpart being the same model.

Looks are better but vehicle Kona is same size as Bolt EV, in fact less interior room.

Looks are subjective. Both are small and cute. One looks like a compromised ICE based EV conversion, and one looks like a well engineered package tha takes full advantage of being a ground up EV.

If the Bolt EV is better engineered, then why does the Kona have faster charging, better range, better energy efficiency, and include ACC whereas the Bolt EV doesn’t?

Now, the Bolt EV’s 0-60 time of 6.4 seconds, vs. the Kona Electric’s time of 7.6 seconds, does help a bit in explaining why the Kona is more energy efficient and has better range. But I’m not at all sure that difference is sufficient to explain why the Kona gets as much as 10-20% better energy efficiency, especially if (as claimed in several comments here) the Kona is a gasmobile conversion, rather than designed as a BEV from the ground up, as the Bolt EV is.

But the Bolt EV is a tall car, so perhaps has larger frontal area? That might contribute to the Kona’s higher energy efficiency.

It is the same vehicle class. Literally.

Making a better car

Bro — you forgot about the DC Fast Charging capability that costs an extra $750 for the Bolt, which is stock with the Kona. So basically $1K.

And even then, the Bolt is only 50 kW charging capable with the optional DC fast charging, and the Kona is 75 kW capable.

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55kW capable.

Limited to 55kW. Probably technically capable up to 80kW. Not sure why they throttled it. Battery life concerns maybe.

Very good news, can’t wait to see how they price the Ioniq.

My 19 Ioniq EV was $30700 MSRP; Hyundai subtracted $8000 if I leased it, so I bit. Between the Federal and state (PA) subsidies, and the gas savings, it will cost me almost nothing to have it for 3 years. It’s only 28 kWh, but it serves my needs very well.

The big battery version will be nice, but it won’t be as cheap.

You have rewarded yourself with your math skills.

You do know that $7,500 of that $8K is the Fed Tax Credit? The leasing company gets the tax credit and you are not eligible to file for it.

Maybe he wouldn’t have been eligible to claim it.

My2020 Ioniq will have 40 kWh battery.

The ICE 2019 Kona ranges from 21,035 to 29,945. So unfortunately a “Shockingly Low Price” is not competitive with equivalent ICE. Its over-priced by probably about $10K. That’s the magic of Tesla’s Model 3. It’s competitively priced with equivalent ICE cars BEFORE incentives. Tesla is literally the only EV maker that has managed that trick.

Post subsidy, it is competitive against ICE. When you consider BEV is lot quicker and smoother, it’ll be value of roughly the upper end of ICE.

And about $5000 in gas savings over 5yrs. Drops that price to be very competitive with ICE.

Very true the 50k model 3 competes very well against 50k ICE cars.

The 35k model 3 not so much, you can’t compete against something with nothing……as in unavailable and unable to buy one.

That’s a pretty good price, slightly cheaper then a Bolt, but it goes further on a charge, and (IMO) looks better.

$30000 before federal tax credit would have been shocking. $30000 for a car with hard plastic interior?? No thanks.
I will keep my fully loaded and well equipped CUV ICE that cost me $27000 brand new.

Explain why you are trolling this page.

LOL. I thought Russian schools required better math skills.
Also, video comprehension fail too.

Very impressive….How fast can it DC fast-charge?

Maxes out at 70kW, not great, but not bad either.

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It’s pretty efficient, so puts that 70kW to good use.

This will definitely kill Model 3 demand..

I’m sick and tired of Tesla’s shenanigans, so agreed here.

Or it could raise awareness about EVs in general and stimulate overall market demand. Could be a “rising tide lifts all boats” situation.

LMAO .AHa AHaHaHaha Ha * 🙂 * * 🙂 *

Wow, two serial Tesla bashers still left here. I guess they didn’t get the memo: TESLA WON. YOU LOST. GET OVER IT.

But in Breitbart land grouchy old dads are still winning bigly talking up a foreign automaker over a US automaker in another demonstration of rank hypocrisy!

I don’t think so. Different classes of cars.

It would have to be available first.

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Because of the Kona’s 310 mile range, rapid acceleration and available AWD?

So the SR, Mr and not AWD versions of the Model 3 are doomed to fail ?

Ps : I don’t agree with “Your Dad” post.

Of course not. But it will drain some clients who don’t particularly want a sedan.

Bolt killer. It will compete directly with the Bolt, cutting into Bolt sales. It doesn’t matter if one is better in one small way or another vs. the other, they are now absolutely directly competing with each other in the sub-40K 200+ mile EV range sector that the Bolt used to have exclusively to itself before.

Just when the Bolt can’t afford to see their current Bolt sales lost to another competing car, as the Bolt follows the same market trajectory as the Volt.

Please no

I thought Bolt killer from headline, but not really. They’re pretty much the same price with Bolt having more rear passenger space. Kona has 10 miles extra range, Bolt is about 20% quicker. Personally, I’d take quicker over small bit in range.

The problem is that the Bolt can’t afford to split current Bolt sales with another competitor so similar.

What are they going to do? Throw MORE money on the hood with every sale in order to keep losing sales to the Kona? Bolt fans always brag about how much money GM throws on the hood to sell Bolts even when they didn’t have such a similar direct competitor. GM doesn’t have any more levers to pull to increase sales.

GM doesn’t have to pull any extra lever. Kona will be very limited which means not much room for negotiation. Bolt will be cheaper average transaction price even with half tax credit.

Lately The Volt was cutting into Bolt sales with GM showroom foot traffic. Now that they killed it (Volt) I expect Bolt sales will bump up a bit.

Reducing the number of sales opportunities will not help overall sales. It will lower overall sales.

Meanwhile, Hyundai/Kia is going to increase their total sales by following up the Kona with the Kia Niro.

https://www.kia.com/us/en/content/vehicles/upcoming-vehicles/2019-niro-ev

Cut into model 3 & Y too.

Not so much, unless/until Hyundai gets a competitive charging network to compete with Superchargers.

It’s called Electrify America in the US and IONITY (plus others) in Europe.

I expect GM to come up with some wacko reason to Kill the Bolt too.

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If they killed the Bolt it would be because they have all the credits they need or because they’re going to release a better BEV.

GM will simply drop the price or add more options as standard. You can already find top tier versions of the Bolt with most options ticked listed for $32k before incentives.

Down vote all you want, but it’s ugly though.

Leaf wins fugly award hands down. no contest.

Old Leaf, yes, new Leaf doesn’t look so bad. Too bad it’s a turd under hood. For the real hideous, look for Prius Prime. That thing looks like it crawled out of some sewer.

For all practical purposes, it’s identical to the Bolt. Personal preference to brand or looks will have much more impact on buying decisions than a few miles of range or other minor features.

Great to see another entry in the market. Maybe it’ll bring enough attention to get more people interested in electric cars.

Yes. Right now, any meaningful increase in the diversity of EV offerings is a Very Good Thing. Too bad some other companies — yeah, I’m looking at you, Ford, Honda, and Toyota — haven’t joined the party.

Here come the Bolt “killer”

We had the Tesla “killers” now comes the ” Bolt Killers” and actually I think the Kona at this price will be a Prius “Killer” , now if only Kia can produce them in big numbers.

Prius has available AWD, making it more of a CUV than the Kona EV in my book. Prius has been doing a good job killing itself lately though, haven’t needed much help 😉

The Kona is my fav of all Hyundai, that is after the Kia Optima cousin, just about the sexiest midsize sedan ever made.

I am glad about this, at the same time sad to see the Detroit dinosaurs shuffling their boardroom fat cats with Big Oil and working to preserve the status quo while paving the demise on an entire auto industry.

Getting it on lease. Going to call Hyundai USA to put a deposit

Bolt is dead. GM is dead here in Ohio for their decision

Unless you work at a plant or know someone that works at the plant GM’s plan means little to the millions of people that live in Ohio and Michigan. It’s sad people are potentially losing their jobs but you should be complaining about why people are not buying cars. Accord and Camry sales are down as well.

Same here in Oshawa , the Union leader Jerry Diaz was just crying in the news some local dealers here in town in Oshawa itself have reported canceling deals of cars sold by GM dealers ,buyers scared therir jobs will be affected in the chain of local suppliers losing contracts, GM cutting its own throat.

The base model 3 is even less money @ $35.000 minus all the rebates.

Nope. It still says $46,000 without all the rebates.

And maybe it will come out some time before end of next year.

Where? How? Why so many thumb up’s? Tesla fanboys at work?

Sorry, it does not exist yet.

Technically by that same standard the Kona EV doesn’t exist yet either. Neither are for sale yet.

The $35K M3 hasn’t even rolled off a production line. The Kona EVs actually exist, and in RHD too.

Base model 3 is even less money, since you can’t actually buy one, you spend $0.

Don’t get excited soon. Kona-EV is only a compliance crossover that will be sold in California alone. Its sales may hit a max of 100/month. The main reason they priced it lower to Bolt is just to show that they are selling lower priced vehicle with a higher range, but they are not interested in selling more units. This technique has been mastered by many automakers and Hyundai is just part of them.

Now the big question is if Kona is a crossover, then Bolt should also be a crossover since both these vehicles have similar dimensions/designs. Why GM is calling Bolt it a car. Calling it as crossover will sell slightly better.

Its worth waiting for $35,000 Model-3 than this type of compliance car.

“Only a compliance cross-over” “Not interested in selling more units”…

Meanwhile, Norway, New Zealand, etc, can’t get enough of these things and Hyundai is trying to add as much production as possible. Sometimes people forget about the world outside the US.

“Sometimes people forget about the world outside the US”
Only Americans forget.
The rest of us are very much aware of the global picture of things, and Kona EV seems to be in high demand in Europe and Korea.

Kona EV will be available for special order in all 50 States.

Which will largely limit sales as people will not get see one in person or test drive before buying and probably a long wait to get one.

And it means they’ll get very little if any discount from the MSRP. That’s one way the Bolt EV is better; you can haggle a lower price.

Ford Focus EV is available for special order in all 50 states. We know how that’s working.

Maybe it didn’t work because it was a underwhelming car that nobody wanted.

Once the GM tax credit expires this will kill the BOLT ev.

They at GM better hope the Democratic House extends the tax credit for GM and Tesla, otherwise the BOLT ev is dead and Barra will discontinue their sole remaining EV for the states.

Supposedly they are coming out with plenty of EV’s, but I bet they’re just copying VW’s blather.

Bolt Will Be Dead Because it’a A POS … * 🙁 *

Right. Here we go again with a poster that never drove one.

No shortage of idiots here – I just got a negative vote since I mentioned on ‘5 things you need to know about the BOLT’ a useful regeneration fact that the author didn’t know! And of course, that POS comment that would embarrass any self-respecting 10 year old got 19 positive thumbs up and no negatives. That’s the proof.

Explain to me why we care about thumbs up and down? Does it get me discount at Denny’s restaurant?

Ewww, you eat at Denny’s? By choice? 😛

I’d take the discount for Denny’s if I were charging here…..

https://www.tesla.com/findus/location/supercharger/strasburgsupercharger

*grin*

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Well, in 2019 GM will need about 22.5 thousand Bolt sales to meet their ZEV credit needs.
It goes up by about 7.5k per year. So, they have a bit of time.
But the US EV market will be getting tougher so they’ll have to do something.

GM will just drop the price of the Bolt or offer more options as standard. I have my doubts on how available the Kona is going to be in the US.

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Well, at that price, people are going to be rushing to buy the Nexo instead.

You forgot the /s.

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I’m conducting tests to see what proportion of people who bother to read comments sections have a sense of humor.

And still not a crossover or CUV. Great EV. But let’s not call a tulip a rose ok?

All kidding aside, it looks like all 4-wheeled automobiles in the US. will soon be labeled “SUVs” unless they’re pickups. Wikipedia even calls the Kona a “subcompact five-door crossover SUV”. Presumably that’s what Hundai has labeled it for marketing purposes; it certainly doesn’t fit either the “crossover” or “SUV” categories by any rational or objective determination.

Quite aside from the absurdity of any car as small as a subcompact qualifying as a type of light truck, there is absolutely no way to justify calling Kona an “SUV”. Is it built on a light truck frame/unibody? Heck no.

And what’s with the “crossever SUV” designation? There are no doubt vehicles which blur the line between CUV/crossover and SUV, but a subcompact hatchback like the Kona ain’t one of them!

So much for a game changer.
Hyundai doesn’t get it either.
What the public wanted was a economy 250mile range EV around $25000.
For $30000 you can get a lot more car if you buy an ICE.
Savings in gas cost is only about $800 a year and it will take over 5 years to make up for the extra $5000 I spend (even with the saved cost from low maintenance).

Next game change to be please..

That car is eventually coming. But batteries are still too expensive for that.

Public already has 250 mile range EV around $25K post subsidy (or $23K in CA). It’s called Bolt. There won’t be much (or any) discount for Kona since it will be very limited, just like there was no discount for IoniqEV due to limited availability.

I like the Bolt’s infotainment screen soft and hard controls and indicators more then the Kona’s. The range difference isn’t significant.
I bet GM will electrify a Buick Enclave and compete with the Kona and soon!

But it’s only a compliance car sold in California and a few other western states so who cares?

Are you sure this is with the big battery? There is a small one too.

The smaller battery version is not planned for distribution in America.

That’s too bad I think. Would be nice for some folks to have more affordable choices.

Conservative look out would point out that all ev makers avoid “compliance car” badge. “Satisfying hunger” is a PR gimmick unless proven otherwise. Reasonably best we can expect is Bolt numbers too. LG did increase capacity, but even doubling it and then allocating all that extra capacity to a single model, would not give use Model 3 numbers. So 2019 will be a year where Model 3 is undisputed king among cars (any cars somewhat comparable in price and shape), while good models from other brands fight for 2nd spot amoung EV cars (as limited volumes will not allow them to break into “all cars” category). We will see ramp up in EV numbers but it will be diffused among many models from brands that have to share LG as a battery supplier. In other words I predict that nobody made significant reservation order in 2016 or earlier to justify massive capital spending for LG. LG did plan some increases but only as a spreading of investment needed for 2020 which is the year car oems will be under new obligations in non-China. That implicates that LG would also be unwilling to give strong preferential deals to any one oem,… Read more »

Volt not bolt

why did they have to mess up the front end? Awesome to see more EVs hitting the market.

In Belgium it starts at 45k€. Ridiculous, because at the right price it could have been a game changer. We’ll have to wait, yet again…

Until it’s available in Pennsylvania, it’s vaporware to me.

It’s a shame really, PA used to make electric vehicles a century ago. They need a startup to seed in the state, there is a lot of unused talent.

You can test drive in Jersey and special order in Pennsylvania.

Ugly

all the United States automakers have been copying the designs of Hyundai in the last 9 years and the Automakers have been stealing japanese technologies from Japan Honda and Toyota. Now we will see the fall of the American Automaker with massive layoffs. The World as finally seen Americas true colours thru Trump Nation. if Canada was smart , it would create more hydro dams and steam generating power plants from its natural hotsprings so it can sell its electricity to the Americans. Coal and diesel burning power plants are the thing of the past. Keep up the great work South Korea !

I think the headline is is phrased a bit wrong, maybe it should read “Hyundai Kona EV s low price but shockingly of limited availability”.

That’s still a lot of money to me………

Get a used Ev then

If the delivery charge is something that you always have to pay, why do car companies get away with made up “starting prices” that exist “before delivery”? Like, when I buy a Gatorade at 7-11, the cashier doesn’t say “That Gatorade starts at one dollar…before of course the other dollar that is a non-negotiable part of the price.” So, it seems that for 100% of US customers, the Kona Electric in fact “starts at” $37,495…

Oh wow, I honestly might consider one of these for special order down here in Texas. If I can take one on a test drive somewhere else in the US. Perhaps while on vacation in California.

With the 7500 K off my taxes, plus an additional 2500 through a Texas clean air initiative, that would be VERY competitive against the Bolt I’ve been eyeing. Especially with the included safety features.

No neee to come to California. Go test drive the ICE kona turbo. If you can live with the size then the EV version is way better than the ICE in performance.

I’d really rather test drive the actual EV so I can compare how regenerative braking works in comparison to the Volt I drive now, and the readily available Bolt.

Powerful regenerative braking or the lack thereof isn’t a deal breaker, but it is still something I’d like to assess.

Still, I might as well take a look at the ICE version first, so this is good advice.

Sorry — if it started at under $30k — now that would be shocking low for a car like this at this time. In 5 years — it will be shockingly expensive! At $36.5k is about the market price now if you want to be competitive.

Definitely not a shockingly low price. They are pricing them to sell a modest number, relying on the federal tax credit to bring the price down into the ballpark of reasonable compared to ICE competition. They will not compete particularly well vs. ICE competition very well on the price/performance/space/luxury spectrums even after the $7500 tax credit. $29,000 will get you a pretty dang sweet ride, i.e. a pretty highly optioned Honda CR-V.

The Model 3 became a hit because it’s priced competitively with ICE competition BEFORE the $7500 rebate. This Hyundai doesn’t come close to that hurdle.

What competition is there in the CUV EV market at $37K USD offering 400km of range? The Model 3 is vaporware for many at the moment.

The competition now is from ICE, not EV. Which is why I mentioned the pricing compared to its ICE competitors. How many people are going to turn away from a well equipped Honda CR-V (quite a bit bigger, from one of the best brands in the auto business) for a similarly priced Hyundai Kona EV? That’s the question. And that’s AFTER the $7,500 tax credit, which many people cannot fully claim.

The Kona EV looks like a nice entry, but a $36,500 compact CUV is priced like a low-end Acura, Lexus or Infiniti compact CUV … that’s the point I’m making: $36,500 is hardly a ‘shockingly low price’, unless the Hyundai is meeting and beating those brands’ on performance/space/luxury, which I don’t think is the case.

The base Model 3 may be vapor-ware at the moment, but that’s completely beside the point I was making, and anyway, the US Hyundai Kona is also not one sale so far here. We’ll see when they actually hit the streets. Tesla has a built a brand to compete toe to toe with Acura, Lexus, BMW … that’s not exactly true for Hyundai, IMO.

Recently, I needed a 2nd car to my 2013 Volt, and one which was easy to get in and out of for my wife and offered great utility. I got a 2018 CR-V EX (my 6th Honda) with very good safety features, for $28k out the door. Had the Kia Niro EV been available, I would have considered it, but for me in Jacksonville FL, it would mean waiting 2+ years for the car to arrive. I put fewer miles on my 2nd car than my prime mover, the Volt, and I’m currently averaging 144+ MPG with zero issues. Gas is $1.89 per gallon and should stay low for a few years due to the worldwide glut, and I’m currently averaging 32+ MPG in the CR-V! Yes, it’s till gas, and not green, but it had the best gas mileage of all the similarly sized and priced SUV’s out there.

The car manufacturers have always been afraid of Hyundai/Kia because the get the job down!

Hello, has anybody seen my 35.000$ Model 3? It should be parked around here…

Why does everyone forget that both Sales Tax and registration are calculated before you apply any rebates or tax credits?! You quote “in California” but neglect these very expensive realities of buying a car here. You’ll pay at least $3K in taxes on the $36500 MSRP and then about $700 in DMV fees. This means that the car will be $40K or so OTD, then you deduct the $10K in federal and state incentives and you’re looking at about $30K total cost.

Mitchel, you don’t have to owe that much in taxes. The credit comes off your total tax liability. For example in 2017 my tax liability for my bracket and income was $22,848. I had tax credits for my Bolt EV purchase and rooftop solar installation of $15,233. This was subtracted from the $22,848 leaving $7615 of total taxes. I had a regular witholding from my checks totaling $16,670 which meant that the IRS owed me $9,055. Which came in handy in April.