Hyundai KONA Electric Charges At Up To 72 kW

AUG 9 2018 BY MARK KANE 50

According to latest data from Fastned, the Hyundai KONA Electric is able to accept up to 72 kW of fast charging power from a 175 kW CCS Combo charger.

Hyundai Kona Electric

The result comes attached to the 64 kWh battery version, which from popular 50 kW chargers takes up to 47 kW.

The max charging power of around 70 kW is available between 0 to over 55% state of charge. Then, power is limited in steps and around 80% SOC only 25 kW can be put in.

Overall, replenishing the range by 100 km (62 miles) should take 15-25 minutes.

A imilars 70 kW peak charging power occurs in the Hyundai IONIQ Electric, which means that the more energy dense batteries in Kona Electric (around two times more kWh) are less capable of fast charging per kWh.

Source: Fastned

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Michael Will

Pretty useable, not as fast as model 3 with 118kW on a gen2 supercharger with rumors talking about it being faster on the yet to be seen v3 supercharger, but definitely more useable than the typical 45kW I saw with VW eGolf on the 50kW CCS. Hope they can make enough to meet demand, bottleneck will likely be batteries .

notting

Well, as commuter you can usually forget the SC network. It wasn’t made for that. But you’ll usually find (at least near to like interstate highways) often 50kW CCS here in Germany. Some have already even more power. I’m especially thinking about people who can’t charge at home.
And the next Mercedes EQ…s will have 115kW CCS.

notting

BoltEV (was SparkEV)

With Tesla taper around 30%, average power to higher percent is lot less. You don’t just stop at 30% when you’re on long trips that require superchargers. Average to 80% might be about 70kW. Sure, it’s more than Kona but not by much.

But Tesla 3 is more efficient than Kona. That means even with same power charging, MPH equivalent is higher with Tesla 3.

Warren

As I just pointed out in the Opel /Ampera post, taper is extremely aggressive on some vehicles. Even with a battery almost twice as big as the i3, the Bolt is agonizingly slow when waiting for one at the DCQC station. We compared my friend’s 2017 Bolt to my 2017 BMW i3 and found that his car took almost 35% longer to gain 22.8kWh of energy than my i3. And that is with the Bolt finishing with only 78% SOC compared to the BMW at 82%. So everything on paper was in the Bolt’s favor, but the results were disappointing. FYI, the BMW picked up 22.8 kWh in 29 minutes, which is good for about 80 miles of driving range. The Bolt took over 39 minutes to accomplish to absorb the same charge amount!
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BoltEV (was SparkEV)

What you’re doing is comparing after Bolt taper had set in with many more miles remaining vs i3 with much fewer miles and very low percent (awful for Bolt, almost ideal for i3). Let’s see you do the same experiment but this time start i3 charge when it already has 80% and start Bolt when it has 10%. Bolt will be many times quicker than i3.

Apples to apples before taper kicks in (about 130 miles for Bolt, similar to i3 max range), there’s very little difference in power. Old smaller battery i3 may have more miles due to being more efficient, but less efficient new i3 would have very little difference from Bolt even in miles.

nicewarren

You really think so??The i3 finished with higher SOC, and the Bolt was not even at 80% SOC at the end of the test, so its really hard to make excuses for the Bolt. FYI, from this point on, the i3 will reach 95% pretty quickly. I would be willing to bet at 90% SOC, the Bolt taper looks even uglier compared to the i3. So in typical real life situations, pretty much every time I go to the EVgo station a Bolt is there for a surprisingly long period of time with less than impressive kWh amounts absorbed.

BoltEV (was SparkEV)

Again, you’re talking about ending SOC % instead of starting SOC %. Bolt or i3, people will not use DCFC at 55% and above. Proper test is to have same _starting_ % or miles remain, not ending.

Djoni

It doesn’t really matter much, as most will keep it charged because they are there first and they somewhat misuse the DCFC, mainly when there’s more people waiting to charge theirs.
When I go to a DCFC and I see a Bolt sucking in the juice, I know that am good to go to a next station if it’s possible.
More and more people hopping in the EV band wagon don’t care much about the way their car charge, taper or not, they just hang on there until it’s a 100% even thought the provider ask them not to in order to optimise the flow.
And if you have another Bolt in queue, boy you’re stranded there for a long time!

Ziv

GM is limping along, but they are still in the game. I hope that we see an improvement in charge rates for new Bolts soon, but it may not happen until next year, and maybe not even then. It is amazing to me that they can’t even charge at 1C (60 kW charge rate) up to 70% of pack capacity or so in the real world. Heck, 1C even to 50% would be an improvement.
Getting the fast charge speed up to a 60 kW charge rate from 0% to 50% (or better yet to 70%) wouldn’t be a huge difference, but it would make road tripping a good bit less irritating. And 1C isn’t exactly burning the house down sort of a charge rate.

Mint

At 30% SOC the Model 3 barely has any taper, and it’s still over 100kW at 50%, so that’s not a very truthful claim. It averages over 80kW to 80%.

According to the graph above, the Kona averages around 63kW to 80%, so the Model 3 is ~30% faster. I wouldn’t call that “not by much”.

antrik

Depends on driving habits, I guess. People preferring to drive longer stretches without pausing might wait till 80%; but according to various comments on this forum, many people actually leave long before reaching 80%, to avoid the slower charging.

Jeff

Pretty sure the Kona is more efficient than the model 3? I saw a YouTube video of some guy (Bjorn nylan) showing that

William

Charging at over 70 kW to almost 60% SOC, is pretty Quick! The Hyundai Kona EV is an affordable DC Charging Champ!

Exiting times ahead, for quickly getting in and out of the 175 kW CCS Combo charger hook up!

Brian_Henderson

Exiting, or exciting? 😂

Mark.ca

Exiting…for ICE!

William

Exit stage Left, ICE will be Left out in the Cold!

Nissan Leaf “Innovation that Exits”😹

Brian_Henderson

How does the Kona speed compare with 2018 Hyundai IONIQ and Kia Soul EVs?

To me it appears they have same 170A maximum capability as Kona.

JyChevyVolt

It’s 200 amp. CCS version 1 has a 200 amp limit.

Adoreizi

Didn’t they promise 100kW fast charging?

max

No, they just used vague language to say it could ‘take advantage of’ 100 kW chargers, compared to 50 kW chargers. That much is true, but 71 kW is the most you will see, unless you find a CCS with over 200 amps. The Kona’s voltage max is ~355 volts, so 71 kW is the maximum it can do on 200 amp chargers. Still very good compared to most of the competition.
It may or may not be designed to take advantage of over 200 amps, probably not much over, although the designers did talk about upto 80 kW charging. If that’s true, it may in theory be able to accept upto 225 amps at the right equipment.
It is very efficient with the energy it sucks up, so the range gained per unit of charging time is currently the best of any non-Telsa EV.

menorman

Or did they promise a certain charge time on a 100kW charger?

notting

AFAIK yes: 54min (0-80%). But should be the same time as using a 75kW charger…

notting

Troy

I paid $28,200 [+ 0% for 72-mo which is actually a $3000 savings vs Tesla’s 3.5% financing] for my 40kWh 2018 Leaf S; not really sure how many thousands $$$ more another 20kWh would be worth to me really.

Wonder what the resale value difference in 5 years between 40kWh (closer to 30kWh by then) and 60kWh+ is going to be, too.

Carrying an extra $10,000 in battery equity is actually costly, too. Putting that money in the bank earning 6% would pay for all the rental cars I need each year, easily.

Threader

Troy what are you rambling about.

Troy

If I thought I could get a ~60kWh LG BEV later this year / early 2019 for $35,000 + tax etc I probably would not have gotten the 40kWh Leaf, since the $7,000 price difference would be mitigated by a $4,000 higher resale value probably, and this $3,000 is probably my max price premium for the convenience of not having to get a rental to go down to LA (when I make that trip once a year or so).

Thing is, I suspect these will be going for $38,000 or so in CA, if you can get one. Decent value vs Teslas, but $6,000 can pay for a lot of car rentals . . .

Michael Will

Where is this 6% bank you are dreaming about

John Doe

I get less than 1% in the bank.

If the Interest rate is lower than the inflation, I loose money if I have them in the bank.

The inflation in my country is usually 3-4% every year.

So if my paychecks does not increase the same at the inflation, I loose buying power.

Stocks or real estate is more profitable, then keeping money in the bank. There is a potential risk though.

Troy

https://www.marketwatch.com/investing/stock/bac.pl

unfortunately not FDIC-insured : )

M3 Owned- Niro EV TBD - Former 500e and Spark EV,

True, but won’t help me to get to LA and back. The 60kwH version will though. Still in the running, but Niro EV has the lead for our CRV replacement

Dan F.

What bank? But seriously, does the $28,200 include the $2,000 cash back from Nissan USA and did your Leaf S include the DCFC option?

Troy

Yes, S with DCFC; $3000 from NMAC + $1500 from dealer. Another $15,500 from gov’t etc made it a no-brainer.

bank is some preferred bank stocks that I like . . . not quite a bank but if these banks go we’re going to have bigger problems

Benedictus

You have made an amazing choice Troy. Congratulations.

Stefan Ko

Don’t forget about the missing thermal Management…

BoltEV (was SparkEV)

“I paid $28,200”

If you break it down further, you probably paid about $26K for the car and about $2K for free charging. Bolt with DCFC on sale was $29.5K (currently $32K), so no TMS Leaf with 20kWh less on sale for only $1.2K less means you paid for something Bolt doesn’t have.

If you’re not in area that offer free charging or unable to use free charging, you paid for free charging for others who do. If you are able to use free charging, that means you’ll be waiting for other free chargers who clog up the system and wasting away your life. This is why free charging sucks for even free charging capable Leaf buyers.

Free charging SUCKS!!!!!

Gator

Gees tough crowd around here…

dan

Ha ha. It’s funny to see that BoltEV still rants about the same pet peeves as SparkEV did last year.

BoltEV (was SparkEV)

Because things are even worse now. I’m seeing more people ranting against free chargers. Look at plugshare comments complaining about Maven Bolts and tapered to hell free charging Leafs.

Troy

My guess is Nissan is paying EVgo $10/mo for NCTC, $240 total.

This is EVgo’s new price model here, $10/mo prepay gets you 66 minutes free . . . $10 for ~40kWh isn’t too bad, 25c per kWh

Troy

(With the new Leaf and another 2 years of NCTC I actually started charging before work since after-work can be a s-show . . . have yet to see anyone there at 6:20AM . . . don’t tell anyone!)

ChrisHansen

That’s 39kWh in 35 minutes, aprox. That’s 220 kms in roughly 1/2 hour. Not bad but still… Not perfect. I think the rule should be 30 minutes charging for 300 kms (or a bit more)

John Doe

That is more then enough for me, 99,9% of the time. I’m not getting a new EV until 2020, so no rush.

Magnus H

It’s as fast or faster than the Tesla model X, I believe

Dany

Sincerely, your calculation above make me think how range anxiety is over-hyped. I mean every morning you would start with 400 km (I saw test over 500) of range and if you add another 220, it would make 620 Km with 30 minutes pause. I would like to know how many human beings can’t live with that, or perhaps I am surrounded by cyborg like in the sci-fi films.

Benedictus

What is actually very interesting. Further down in the conversation on twitter he says that a few camouflaged Audi E-Tron are currently testing in the Netherlands and charging off the FastNed chargers.

Also he states that this week there was a new EV charging on their network that reached 150 kW charge speed (not a Tesla).

wanderingdutchman

The new 64kWh LEAF for 2019 has been observed charging at 104kW. Active thermal management included.

wanderingdutchman

The 2019 64kWh LEAF has been observed roadside in Europe, charging at 104kW, presumably with active thermal management.

Kinfeboy

Elon can do 1000kW in Model 3.
For Elon, this is easy. This Kona is not good at all.

bioburner

Ha……..100 KW ?

Ricardo

He was making fun of the musketeers.

Buzzmedia

Check with Hyundai but after Bjorn have test it, he say the same before and hyundai fix the issue. now is 100KW.
But like i say validate with Huyndai.