Hyundai Delivered World’s Largest Fuel Cell Taxi Fleet…Five ix35 SUVs

DEC 21 2015 BY MARK KANE 41

Hyundai ix35 Fuel Cell taxi in Paris

Hyundai ix35 Fuel Cell taxi in Paris

Hyundai announced the largest hydrogen fuel cell taxi project in the world… with five ix35 Fuel Cell SUVs in Paris.

In total, there are just 250 ix35 Fuel Cell vehicles in total in Europe.

The hydrogen SUVs will be used by taxi start-up STEP (Société du Taxi Electrique Parisien).

At the same time, Paris got its first hydrogen refueling station.

“The delivery of the five ix35 Fuel Cell makes the world’s largest fuel cell taxi fleet, and is the first step in establishing a hydrogen-powered electric taxi fleet called “hype” (Hydrogen Powered Electric), serving the Greater Paris area.The fleet is planned to increase up to several hundred vehicles within five years, with the refuelling infrastructure to be gradually installed in 2016, to meet the increasing demand for hydrogen.”

Thomas A. Schmid, Chief Operating Officer at Hyundai Motor Europe, said:

“With this pioneering project, Hyundai Motor and STEP are bringing new sustainable mobility to the streets of Paris. The ix35 Fuel Cell taxis will provide not only a clean solution for the city, but also a practical, comfortable and reliable choice for drivers and passengers.”

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How much does it cost to filll up, including the range to/from fueling station? What is the usuable range, subtracting to/from fueling station?

Wouldn’t Tesla S70D be cheaper and quicker filling at supercharger?

Would the Tesla range then be subtracting to/from supercharger?

Yeah! I mean, just because hydrogen stations are even more limited with a lesser chance of improving in the near future isn’t a good reason to slam full EVs and promote fool cells.

By your “logic” you should not be promoting Tesla either, because regular gas cars have much longer range and gas stations on every corner, and refill takes 3 minutes.

An idiot like you would say that, wouldn’t they. It takes 10 seconds to plug in and get over 400km range each night after your shift is OVER. And then there’s the simple matter of the ubiquity of electrical plugs. Good try though.

Don’t be so quick to call someone an idiot, because you don’t know what you’re talking about. Haven’t you ever been to a big city? Paris ain’t some back-water hick town in the sticks where every night they roll up the sidewalks at 10 pm and the whole town shuts down. In a major metropolitan city, when one taxi driver’s shift is “OVER”, another shift “STARTS”. Therefore, an EV taxi must be fully charged at the END of the shift. If Paris is like NYC, then it’s two 12-hour shifts with the infamous 5 pm shift change. Most fleet cabs run 24/7 365 days a year, unless they are being maintained or repaired. The city never sleeps. “The explanation for the 5 p.m. dip is steeped in the history and economics of the taxi industry. Many taxicabs are used by two drivers a day, each working a 12-hour shift. To ensure that each leg is equally attractive, taxi owners schedule the shift change in the middle of the afternoon, so each shift gets a rush hour.” Time is money for a taxi driver. Time spent charging an EV’s battery is time not spent driving and picking up fares. Taxi… Read more »

Don’t forget time is ALSO money to a taxi driver because of the fuel they burn. Somewhere like Paris (or anywhere in Europe really), the cost of fuel is the massive. When do you think there is a taxi company in Holland that runs about 200 Teslas out of the airport? The problem here is they jam up the local superchargers, because they need to charge quickly. What they really need is their own supercharger!

The thing is that here you must at least consider that only using modicum of intellect required to put forth such a quip, that said quip will be instantly dashed on the rocks, with simple casual aplomb.

Problem being in a Tesla I can plug in almost anywhere from the hundreds of available outlets, either at the taxi barn or any number of other places.

@Bob, if Supercharging is the only way to charge Tesla, one would have to subtract. But Tesla can charge practically anywhere. Even without that, I suspect there are more superchargers than FC stations.

Not for the taxis. Capital cost doesn’t allow luxury to wait on slow charger.

Red herring alert. No need to plug in mid shift on most days. There is also at least one city already using Teslas as taxis as well.

If taxi is run continuously more than 240 miles, gas car would be better. But we’re talking about FCEV with fewer stations than supercharger. Unlike FCEV, one can plug in between customers; if Paris is anything like CA, there are chargers every mile or less. Driver can hang out at coffee shops and such while waiting for customer and charging at the same time.

Besides, given a choice of Tesla Taxi vs Hyundai, I’d take Tesla any day.

Paris has one Supercharger, located on the very outskirts of the city 7 miles from downtown, while the hydrogen station is located in downtown Paris near the Eiffel Tower. Especially now with Uber as competition, Paris is more like NYC where taxi drivers roam around the city looking (hunting) for fares, rather than waiting for customers to wander over to the coffee shop where the driver is hanging out sipping a latte and charging their EV on a L2 charger. Unlike in NYC however, the Paris Metro closes overnight before the clubs and bars close, leaving no public transportation options other than taxis. Ask me how I know. Taxis drive around at night looking for fares outside these clubs, bars, and restaurants.

If what you say is true about locations, FCEV range could be more. But what of the cost? Given that H costs $13/kg in CA, it would seem taking time to drive to Supercharger and taking a break (once per shift?) would be more cost effective than quicker filler H.

Those bars, clubs, restaurants are more likely to have DCFC (Chademo if not Supercharger) than H stations. Seeing a Tesla Taxi plugged in to charge would be better selling point than some boring old Hyundai.

Even without that, taxi drivers have to eat. In densely populated city, I doubt they’d drive 240 miles in any 6 hour period (4 times a day), time needed for driver to eat + bio break.

At city speeds, range is significantly more; I’d guess over 300 miles based on SparkEV observation. Then the break time can be used for Supercharging, essentially making charging time to be free.

Going forward, it’s much easier / cheaper to put in multiple superchargers / Chademo in city centers when restaurants, etc (for drivers to eat) ask Tesla / Nissan / etc to put them in.

Well, they are probably selling them under cost just to get into the fleet market. Also various incentives from governments to assist in infrastructure projects due to clean vehicle status afforded to FCV. Telsa does not do package deals for numbers as far as I know.

That new first Paris H2 station, would that be a full service or only capable of 5.000 bar = half a tank?

Its a regular 700 bar hydrogen station. See the press release of the station.

You have to love the name on the cabs “hype”.

I’m sure air liquide and hyundai will get good R&D data from this test. I don’t think cost effective is important here. This should produce a lot less pollution than the diesels france wants to get rid of now.

That should have Said 5.000 psi (= 350 bar) => Half tank

world largest fuel cell taxi fleet at 5. How can anyone takes that statement seriously. How long has Schiphol had Tesla taxies now? There were sure mor e than 5.
So, how much did the refueling station cost to put in? How is the station replenished?
If there’s only one station do the taxi drivers have an indicator on when to return to home base before running out.
How much is a fill up? Where’s the hydrogen from.?Remember that France’s grid is largely nuclear with some hydro and bits of sources.

At this rate, at least by the time we have meaningful numbers of fuel cell cars, hydrogen from water should be more accessible since sea levels would have risen several meters.

Most hydrogen at service stations will likely be derived from stripping it out of hydrocarbons. It won’t be cheap, it won’t be efficient, and it won’t be clean.

Most of the grid electricity worldwide is derived from hydrocarbons and it is not going to change any time soon. France is exception just because government had poured tons of taxpayer money into nuclear program for military purposes. In places like China where Tesla sells too you can you truly say that your Model S is coal powered pollution machine, emitting much more than regular gas car. They don’t even bother to enforce turning on already available sulfur scrubbers on their coal plants as it reduces plant efficiency.

Does your ICE vehicle get over 30mpg? If not an obstensibly coal powered car is still cleaner.

Note that the refinery uses the same coal fired electricity.

A refinery is more than 80% efficient, most of the 20% is heat, not electricity.

Wow, 5 vehicles. At what cost.

Why not they buy Tesla Model-S. This way the vehicles can be charged at night using their nuclear power.

Tesla Model S have only been used as taxis for about a year. You need many years and hundreds of thousands of miles to see the capacity/range deterioration.

107,000km. 10 km or less loss in range.

We will see after long term high mileage tests. I have seen no accelerated aging tests from Tesla, just some anecdotes from a few customers.

Well then, why go with HFCV?
They’ve been there for lesser time.

If it at least would have a decent size battery and a plug too. A pure hydrogen FCEV makes little sense.

And especially now when stations are very few it would be good to at least have some way to get around when the tank is empty.

“HYPE” is right.

Tesla trolls everywhere. You know Tesla is in trouble with how scared they are of H2.

I don’t understand why a country with one of the cleanest grid and cheapest electricity in Western Europe would want to go with hydrogen FC vehicle instead of just pure EVs….

It makes no sense whatsoever to use “fool cell” cars for taxis. But then, it makes no sense to use them for regular passenger cars, either.

If you’re gonna pay more for a taxi to get a “greener” vehicle than the average gasmobile, then far better, and also cheaper, to use a HEV. Even a non-plug-in Prius saves far more on carbon emissions than a “fool cell” car.

FCEVs are not really “green”; they just pretend to be.

Why would anyone attack another developing technology? Emotional immaturity.
No one knows what may develop. Funding experimental development at an appropriate level is a wise choice.

We are questioning the merit of any new technology and that is what wise men do.
It just seems in the case of hydrogen, many answers aren’t favorable yet and it seems none any better or prove are truly coming.

So, why not get straight with that?

Fuel cells were first invented around 1838. So just like Tesla’s A/C induction motors, they’re not really a developing technology.

Look at Ballard who after decades of R&D and millions of dollars invested dumped their automotive fuel cell business back in 2007. If they couldn’t do it, then who? This is what Research Capital analyst Jon Hykawy had to say on the deal.

“In my view, the hydrogen car was never alive. The problem was never could you build a fuel cell that would consume hydrogen, produce electricity, and fit in a car. The problem was always, can you make hydrogen fuel at a price point that makes any sense to anybody. And the answer to that to date has been no.”

That’s just the price of Hydrogen as fuel. There are other issues that make it even more unpalatable.
– Sourcing it as a by product from fracking.
– Having to compress it to 10,000 PSI
– tanks need to be replaced after 10 years
– fuel stack lifetime is limited.
– metal embrittelement of any pipe/valve/tank system to move/store it.

I would like to see small fuel cells used as range extenders. A BEV with 130-170 mile range and a FC with 50-60 mile range. This way you could use all the battery when traveling and then use the next charging station you come to. In daily use the FC would seldom get used.

my hypothetical future best car would be 200-300 km battery + ethanol fuel cell ~50kW extended range or heating in winter, just pour in some vodka in tank if you need more range (not in winter* :D)

What to do
Nobody wants them so turn them into a taxi fleet

Hyundai needs to move on and catch up with EVs.
Looks like Honda has jumped ship also with new EV Clarity. Toyota will hold out the longest and take the biggest loss on Hydrogen