Hyundai All-Electric SUV To Arrive In 2018, With 200 Miles Of Range


2017 Kia Niro Made Its Chinese Debut Today - The Niro Will Also Get a Plug-In Trim Level in ~2018

2017 Kia Niro Made Its Chinese Debut Today – The Niro Will Also Get a Plug-In Trim Level in ~2018

Hyundai, with its partner Kia Motors, took part in the kick-off festivities today at 2016 Auto China, by debuting its upcoming IONIC Electric, and Niro Hybrid crossover regionally for the first time.

Hyundai IONIQ Electric

Hyundai IONIQ Electric “Showing” Off

And while that the vehicles themselves are not “new” news to anyone outside China (the IONIQ Electric actually arrives in the US in late summer), it is what Hyundai disclosed it was working on past these two vehicles.

Specifically, a Hyundai spokesperson confirmed the company is currently developing an all-electric SUV, which can travel up to 320 kilometers (200 miles) and is to be released in 2 years time – 2018.

“It is true that we will launch a new electric SUV.”

Putting that range estimate number into context, if appears to actually be a real world number (for once), as the IONIQ Electric was also quoted at the same time as having 180 km (111 miles) of range – which is bang-on to Hyundai’s recent EPA estimate of 110 miles for the compact EV in America.

Also of note, sources familiar with the project are stating that this new all-electric SUV will not be a re-imagining of the Kia Niro (which shares componentry with the IONIQ), but rather it will ride on an all-new platform – one exclusively built for all-electric applications.

Looks like Hyundai/Kia are about to get really serious about a plug-in future.

Hyundai-blog, The Korea Herald

Category: HyundaiKia


116 responses to "Hyundai All-Electric SUV To Arrive In 2018, With 200 Miles Of Range"
  1. carcus says:

    … watch now, as the Model 3 reservation meter rolls backward

    1. Rob Stark says:

      So bet the farm on shorting TSLA.

      I will get rich doing the opposite.

    2. Charbar says:

      Right because they also can boast a vast supercharger network of their own. Oh wait…

      1. SparkEV says:

        In 2 years, lot can be done with DCFC. I just hope they don’t make the same mistake of GM in prematurely announcing not expanding charger network. They already have many DCFC in Kia dealers (unlike GM), and they can expand to other areas, too, if they choose to go all-in BEV.

        1. Tim E says:

          Yeah, 3 years ago when I bought my first Leaf, I thought “In 2 years, lot can be done with DCFC” – fast forward 3 years and the high majority of the country it still sucks – mostly single unit locations in dealer lots, with not much else.

          Let’s hope that the next 2 years does at least 10x more for DCFC than occurred in the last 3 years.

          1. Brandon says:

            In 2015 some areas showed a doubling or more in the number of DCFCs. Right now, spring 2016, we are moving upwards from an average of one fast charger added a day in the US.
            (Source: my PlugShare records)

            1. Adding about 2-3 per day in the Europe / USA, and 14 per day worldwide:

              ———4/2016—–3/2015 -(411 days)
              Worldwide 11291 — 5467 — (14 added per day)
              Japan —- 6469 — 2819 — (8.8 added per day)
              Europe —-3028 — 1659 — (3.3 added per day)
              USA —— 1686 —- 934 — (1.8 added per day)
              Others —– 108 —– 55 — (0.1 added per day)

              1. The above is CHAdeMO data only.

                Source: CHAdeMO Association

                1. Knut Erik Ballestad says:

                  For Europe at least, most of last years new DCFC’s are dual-standard CCS/Chademo.

                2. V. Stenbekk says:

                  Just get an adapter Tony. In Norway even some Tesla drivers use adapters for more freedom.

                  1. Rick Danger says:

                    And a new acronym is born:


                    Get an adapter Tony 😀

        2. MikeG says:

          “In 2 years, lot can be done with DCFC”

          I agree that a lot of DCFC can be deployed in 2 years. However, there is little chance that this will produce a cohesive recharging network that can be used to travel through sparsely-populated areas.

          Car manufacturers have little incentive to:
          – put chargers along highways to enable inter-city EV transportation
          – put chargers in cities beyond car dealer lots

          Until this changes, Tesla’s Supercharger network is the only option for enabling travels beyond a metro area.

        3. Terawatt says:

          Choosing to go all-in on BEVs would be suicide at this point in the game. The day will come, I’m sure, but we’re just not there yet.

          1. beta995 says:

            LOL. Famous last words.

      2. Priusmaniac says:

        They also need to be as visible as the superchargers because a FCDC somewhere in a dark backside is not really an inviting perspective.

    3. MDEV says:

      Tesla for Hyundai ? Are you feeling well……

      1. carcus says:

        I think the Model 3 will in reality be a $45k+ car. I think Hyundai can bring a low $30’s SUV, something similar to a Ford Escape (not a Sonic Suv, like the Bolt).

        It will be interesting to see how many of the model 3 reservation holders are actually stretching to buy a car at that price. When it gets down to signing time, they may back down into a more reasonable price bracket … and a more family friendly/utilitarian (perceived or real) vehicle.

        But if it’s actually a $35k Model 3 vs a $35k Hyundai, .. then no. They’ll stick with the model 3.

        /the level of autonomy will also be a factor

        1. PK says:

          There’s also a lot of those like myself who could stretch their finances to afford a model S but choose not to, but have little issue with a reasonably optioned model ≡

          1. carcus says:

            That’s fine for you.

            I just hope Tesla doesn’t end up adding fuel to an already smoldering (nationwide) subprime car loan fire. It’s pretty tough to save the planet when your world gets wrecked by the repo man.

            Reservation holders should at least be prepared for the possibility that their model 3 turns out to NOT be a $27,500 purchase.

        2. Rich says:

          If Hyundai can bring an actual SUV to market that’s all electric with 200+ miles of range at a $35k price after incentives, I agree that it will affect Model 3 sales numbers. I won’t give up my model 3 reservation for it, but I will certainly evaluate it for our second vehicle.
          If they strike a deal with Tesla to gain access to the SC network, then it becomes a highly likely candidate for our second vehicle.

          1. Kyle Hubb says:

            They won’t. You know that.

            1. Rich says:

              We’ll have to see. I remain hopeful.

    4. TomArt says:

      to carcus:


      1. PVH says:


        I am not sure it was you who raised the question the other day whether R&D expenses where included in Capex thus added to a company assets and yearly amortized during its “useful” life.
        I looked into this, reply is NO. Those go directly to expenses.

        1. TomArt says:

          Yes, that was me. Trying to figure out why the 10K suggests that there are net operating losses that cannot be accounted for by R&D and capital expenditures that do not go into the existing vehicle production.

  2. Kosee says:

    So. 2018 200 mile ev SUV from hyundai is the information, we miss pricing and decent charging networks anywhere we look on the globe. Time to partner up with tesla?

    1. Paul Smith says:

      What does Tesla get out of it?

      1. Kosee says:

        Ask musk he said he’d partner up for the supercharging network with anyone who shows up with such a car. I’m not a business man, I’m just using facts to come to a logical conclusion.

      2. Kdawg says:


      3. Priusmaniac says:

        More critical mass to further have superchargers everywhere on every long road where it could be useful from Alaska to Ushuaia and from Iceland to Shanghai.

      4. Rich says:

        Tesla stated from the beginning that they will provide any automaker access to the SuperCharger network as long as 2 criteria are met.
        1) the car must be able to charge at a fast rate. Tesla doesn’t want slow charge rate cars hogging the charger for extended periods. This seems reasonable to me.
        2) the automaker pays for the portion of the SC network that their cars are using. This also seems reasonable to me.

        Ultimately, Tesla wants to accelerate the world’s adoption of sustainable transportation. I think they’re serious about this and it’s not just a corporate slogan.

  3. St John says:


  4. St John says:

    I would gladly pay an extra $2000 to buy a electric SUV that can charge on the Tesla supercharger network

    1. Orygun EV driver says:

      Capacity and wait times are going to be an issue when the Model 3 starts shipping in volume. Adding other vehicles to the queue will strain it even further.

      1. Speculawyer says:

        Well if they charge for Supercharger access (which I think they should), then much of that money can go to pay for additional superchargers.

        1. Nick says:

          Even without that, $2000 per car is a lot of dough to add sites and stalls.

          1. Being the Model 3 base at $35,000, is maybe about 80% of what the base Model S was, if the option to use the Supercharger network was 80% of $2,000, that would put the option at about $1,600! (Also, the car is 20% smaller, and $1,600 would be a 20% smaller fee!)

            For each 1,000 Model 3’s, that adds about 1.6 Million $ in Supercharger funds; 10,000 cars = 16 Million $; 100,000 cars = 160 Million $; so, for 400,000 cars, that option, at that price, adds some 640 Million $ in Supercharger expansion funds, without cutting into the profit margins of the base $35,000 Model 3!

            Upper level Model 3’s may have Supercharger Access built in, but I think the cost would just be embedded in.

            You can check my math, but I think those numbers are correct, as proposed.

            1. Rick Danger says:

              I went back and watched the reveal video again. Elon clearly said all Model ≡s would have Supercharging standard. Standard, as in, not optional.
              I don’t know how they can build Supercharging into the base $35,000 price, but that is what he said.

              1. I think you will see he said “Supercharging Hardware is included” – not yet defoning if access was standard or not.

        2. DTM says:

          Indeed, I received an email from Tesla recently stating their enable a fast charging network at existing locations, like restaurants. This is much quicker and easier expanding then opening supercharging stations.

          1. TomArt says:

            Yes, Tesla has been more aggressive with expanding the destination charger network, which is actually paid by the proprietors of the establishments that install them (no cost to Tesla, as far as I know). They install the high-powered wall connector, typically at hotels, B&Bs, restaurants, parking garages, etc.

  5. HVACman says:

    This is just the start. We know that Nissan and BMW will have similar announcements by 2017. By 2018, we will have seen at least a dozen announcements by various global auto manufacturers on their own version of a 200 mile EV.

    The Model 3 will roll off the production line in 2018 right into a 200+ mile EV headwind that will feel more like a hurricane than the gentle breeze now blowing.

    1. Speculawyer says:

      Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

      Too bad no one else will have a worldwide network of strategically places DC fast-chargers. I guess some people need to learn the hard way.

    2. Chris O says:

      Only in your imagination.

      In the real world nobody is even contemplating copying Tesla’s winning *Supercharger supported* long range EV concept.

      Well, VW maybe but their plans are still in the press release stage and they do have a tendency never to move beyond that.

    3. Pinewold says:

      Will it be fast?
      Will it have Autopilot?
      Will it have summon?
      Will it have full glass roof?
      Will it have its own Gigafactory to build batteries.

      Tesla is ahead for a reason, knowing to build super chargers, knowing to build the Gigafactory! Compeition will keep Tesla from being tempted to raise prices to much!

      1. Jychevyvolt says:

        “Will it be fast?”
        SUV don’t need to be fast.

        Will it have Autopilot?
        Hyundai has been testing auto for years.

        Will it have summon?
        Useless until the car can unplug by itself.

        Will it have full glass roof?
        Useless, because it get too hot in socal.

        Will it have its own Gigafactory to build batteries.
        It’s got LG, Samsung, and SK.

        Tesla is ahead for a reason, knowing to build super chargers, knowing to build the Gigafactory! Compeition will keep Tesla from being tempted to raise prices to much!

        CCS is the standard without local use restriction.

        1. ***CCS is the standard without local use restriction.***

          What does this mean?

          1. mr. M says:

            Europe and American CCS is different.

            But maybe he means that Tesla suggest that you should not abuse your local supercharger?

            1. Of course, the Tesla Supercharger private DC standard protocol has no local use restrictions whatsoever.

              The Supercharger NETWORK, however, wholly owned by Tesla doesn’t want Tesla owners to abuse local charging.

              CCS / CHAdeMO / GB/T are all *public* DC protocol standards, also without local restrictions. But, nobody can know now whether there won’t be some NETWORK that imposes any number of pricing structures or restrictions.

              Confusing networks and protocols is probably the biggest single mistake that I see regularly.

  6. tom911 says:

    Finally – why so long to get an Electric CUV/SUV? GM should have one in the works with Voltec/Bolt powertrain.

    BTW – I don’t count the model X as it’s more like a minivan not a utility vehicle.

    1. Chris O says:

      Model X is what happens when SUV meets wind tunnel, which is rather unavoidable if the all electric SUV is to have decent range.

      Doubt Hyundai can avoid that, so expect that all electric Hyundai “SUV” to look a lot like a crossover.

      1. tom911 says:

        They could have avoided those FW doors!

      2. Jas says:

        The RAV4 EV did not look like a Model X.

        1. ATLectric says:

          The RAV4 EV has a MPGe of 74 while the Model X’s MPGe is 94. As the Model X is a heavier and larger vehicle with more power, clearly the shape greatly improves efficiency.

          1. Jas says:

            True, but it was tried and was impressive with such a small battery.

  7. SparkEV says:

    Price? If it’s in Tesla X ballpark (~$70K), it’s hopeless. I doubt it’ll be in Tesla 3 ballpark, maybe something in between?

    1. code012 says:

      It’s Kia/Hyundai. It’d be crazy for them to go above $45k. If it goes as low as $35k after tax credit/rebate, I may seriously consider one.

      1. SparkEV says:

        $35K seems unlikely given that smallish EV like Tesla 3 and Bolt are about that. SUV form will need more metal and bigger battery to overcome aero. I don’t see it for much less than $50K.

        1. code012 says:

          Currently, Tucson base is $23k. Santa Fe is $31k.

          Not that Hyundai/Kia is a low quality car, but they’re very competitive about price. Every of their attempt to enter premium market ($50k+) has failed miserably so far, and if they think they can pull it off with EV SUV, then they’re mistaken.

          If Tesla can do $40k for AWD Tesla 3, then Hyundai/Kia can do it for less.

          1. SparkEV says:

            If Hyundai can do it for under $40K for SUV like Santa Fe, that will be HUGE. With proper DCFC network, which isn’t hard, they could upset Tesla 3, at least in US market. Looking around, people drive more SUV than sedans, and all electric SUV for roughly similar money as Tesla 3 could be the “Tesla killer” unicorn if they can bring it before Tesla Y.

        2. carcus says:

          If Hyundai or any manufacturer, for that matter, is serious about selling a car …. they won’t price it outside of their “brand (and sometimes model) name bracket”.

          That, plus announced model 3 pricing, makes me think $50k would be out of the question..

          If we were playing a Price Is Right game, I’d say the first ATC number in the price has to be a 3.

          (unless you think they’re bringing a luxury SUV EV, .. I don’t.)

        3. carcus says:

          …. add, the source article says it will be AWD

          1. James says:

            Hyundai just launched it’s luxury brand, and named it Genesis. Hyundai has not said it’s future plans include a “Hyundai-branded” SUV, or not.

            You crack me up when you are so eager to cut down Tesla.

            Knumbskulls like you show your stripes too easily. Those that re truly knowledgeable in and around the auto industry know how smart Model 3 is. The angel is in the details. What with it’s sloping curve of a roofline, it doesn’t out itself as a wagon or notchback – yet it’s fastback look gives it a Jaguar or Aston Martin feel ( “classy and European” ). This move was possible due to an all-electric car not needing a traditional firewall. Musk explained the front bulkhead theory very well during the Model 3 prototype reveal. Next, the rear headroom puzzle has been solved. The glass roof enables 6 footers to comfortably sit in the rear, all the while enjoying a class-only convertible-type experience of openness. If you don’t like it – opt for the steel ( aluminum? ) roof. No car in Model 3’s target segment has the interior space and non-3 box design. These exclusives can be copied, but will be seen as a copy. — My 12 year-old daughter was embarassed to have an old Android phone handed down to her – and told us her friends had Apple iPhone 6Ss. We laughed when she went home and Googled a Chinese knock-off of an iPhone called the “Goo Phone”. It looks identical. Who knows? – Maybe the plans slipped out the side door of FoxConn and down the road to the bogus company. At any rate, I told her once her friends saw the OS/interface they’d laugh at her because she owned a phoney phone!

            You want to drive around in the So. Korean fake Model S? Here’s a car example: Toyota set heads a-spinning with Prius when the 2004 2nd gen appeared. They pushed the wheels out to the corners leaving very short overhangs, they pushed the A-pillars forward giving a subcompact car midsized room inside. When they announced the interior was just one cu. ft. less than a Camry, people were impressed.

            By vote, how many people would rather own a classy, sporty and sleek Jag, Aston Martin-esque Tesla that met your practical needs vs. a tall station wagon made by Hyundai, who infamously made many lemons in the ’80s and took 25 years+ to dump that rep? People dumped “minivans” for SUVs and then crossovers due to the rep the vans had for soccer mom stigma. People will readily dump an SUV for a sleek sedan that looks like it should cost $10,000s more.

            The “utility” of CUV or SUV can be met with an EV’s opportunity of packaging. Hyundai and KIA are still known more for their warrantys than anything else. While hot sellers just below GM and Ford in the middle class car wars, Hyundai has a lot to prove in the luxury segment. The Genesis brand has a big hill to climb, with Honda struggling mightily to keep Acura afloat. Infinity is even worse, and now Hyundai thinks it can swim in the same pool as Lexus…I kind of doubt it. While I don’t dislike Hyundai, their Ioniq has already shown a major flaw in it’s design. Look to YouTube, and also for an article here on how it’s single motor design and single clutch arrangement has made it quit when stopped on steep inclines. Hyundai recalled Ioniq in S. Korea after only 2 months on the market!

            Hyundai is going after Prius and LEAF but it may have taken off half-cocked. So now this announcement has Tesla detractors all atwitter….

            How embarassing for you. Model Y is already being sculped as the spin off from Model 3. Surely it will not have FW doors, yet it will offer a CUV from the 3’s platform that is unlike any other.

            The first 3s will be delivered into a world that is ripe for the picking. Surely legacy ICE-makers will sell 20-30,000 of their 200 mile people movers as city/local cars. When the press lambastes them for not having long-range ability – Tesla will look so smart for having it’s fast charging infrastructure matured before the first 3s arrive to use them.

            1. James says:

              Here I go answering my own post again…I can’t edit.

              After mentioning Prius, I was going to add that Honda tried to make a Honda Prius called the Insight, and it flopped rather badly. The Ioniq follows suit and looks prepped to be another major flop.

              1. mr. M says:

                The insight was there before the prius.

                1. James was refering to the 2nd generation Insight – a 4 seat, lower cost entry, attempt at a skinny look-alike to the 2nd Gen Prius! It didn’t make it in the Mpg competition, only in the purchase price!

                  The first insight (which I Still Like, as a poor man’s EV1!), was a 2 seater that got 70 mpg and more in some hands!

                  1. James says:

                    Yes. Yes.

                    The 2nd iteration of the Insight was an attempt to clone the Prius with a light hybrid system ( IMA ) or Integrated Motor Assist, in Honda-Speak. Even when the electric motor kicked in, the gas engine still rotated, just cutting off cylinder ignition.

                    I agree with you – the 1st iteration of the Honda Insight was an interesting piece. The first hybrid sold in N. America. It’s aerodynamics, rear fender skirts, space-age look and sheer simplicity made it iconic. I still want to make a BEV out of one someday.

              2. Jychevyvolt says:

                Get off that drug, son.

    2. DonC says:

      The transaction prices for the Model S are north of $100K and the transaction prices for the Model X are well north of $100K. I think a likely price breakdown might be:

      Bolt and Leaf — $35K small CUV
      Niro — $42K/$45K larger CUV
      Model 3 — $55K/$65K small sedan

      1. Rich says:

        It’s wild how the model 3 price keeps getting blown up. It’s possible if someone orders every option available, the car might be $50k.

        The base price for a model 3 is $35K. Elon said the expected average price to be $42K.

        1. carcus says:

          Well, the Model S price sure did go (blow?) up.

          Remember the $57,400 model S? Did anyone actually get one of those? Today the base is $76,500.

          I think the Model S is a great car. I think the Model 3 will be a great car. But the idea of the Model 3 selling at $35k …….. I am highly .. HIGHLY skeptical.

          / I’d love to be wrong here.

          1. Nick says:

            People didn’t want the smaller range, thus Tesla stopped selling them.

            Makes total sense.

            Now the base car is 35k with more than 200 miles, people will want them.

          2. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

            carcus said:

            “Remember the $57,400 model S? Did anyone actually get one of those? Today the base is $76,500.”

            A few customers actually did get a Model S40, those who had ordered one before production began and resisted Tesla’s attempts to persuade them to change their order. However, the “S40” was really a Model S60 with the pack electronically limited to use only 40 kWh, since Tesla decided it wasn’t worth putting the S40 into production, as so few ordered it. I don’t know what the base price of the S40 wound up being.

            But in this case, I think past performance is not a predictor of future business policy. Tesla knows very well that the $35k-45k price range is much more competitive, and customers shopping for a car in that price range are far less indifferent to price hikes than are customers shopping in the more elevated price range of the Models S and X.

            Bottom line: If Tesla wants to keep those 400,000 (and counting!) reservations*, they’re going to have to stick to the promised base price of $35k.

            *(And yes, I realize that some of those will be cancelled. What’s important is the net rate at which reservations come in; that is, new reservations minus cancellations over a given period of time.)

        2. mr. M says:

          Since you can also double the price of the S70 going to a P90DL with all options it makes sense. Base price for Model E is 35.000$, yes but maximum optioned it will be ~70.000$.

          So anyone that expects the average price to be in between could be correct. Well at least 35.000$ as average price will to low, and 70.000$ as average will be to high probably. But saying 50.000$ as average is not that far from what Musk expects (42.000$). So i think it’s reasonable.

          1. Remember, the Model 3 is 20% Smaller than the Model S, so maybe we could anticipate the cost of similar options at 80% of the cost of those options for a Model S! Like – second motor: $4,000 instead of $5,000, as it is for the S! It could even be offered at less than that, but Elon already said it would be less than the $5,000 price set for Model S options! So that is why I think the same or similar options for the Model 3 will not cost as much as those for the S!

            1. TomArt says:

              That maybe true – in a cleanup post on this site after the Model 3 reveal, one of the things from Musk was that the AWD option would be “less than $5k” where it is currently $5k to go from S70 to S70D (the only pack left with a RWD option – all the rest are dual-motor only).

      2. Murrysville EV says:

        If the Model 3 actually sells for $55-65k, I WILL cancel my reservation. Such a price will cause the company to fail, since they’ll never achieve the volumes needed to sustain life.

        No, there is intense pressure on Tesla to meet the $35k base price.

  8. Soremekun says:

    Hmmm. May be tempted if there is an optional dual motor configuration.

  9. Trollnonymous says:


    1. Brandon says:

      My guess is CCS.
      As far as a DCFC network, EVs like this that are similar to the Audi Q6 Quattro SUV could potentially (??) charge on the 150 kW nationwide CCS network that Audi says it will build for the Q6 in the US starting in 2018.

  10. EV says:

    I want a 40-45 kWh Juke with around 150 miles, but please <25.000 $ :-). Or a Roque with 60 kWh.

  11. Apkungen says:

    Why are every auto maker going to make electric SUVs? It is stupid! Even tesla, made an electric suv, and look how that turned out.
    70KWh sedan – 470km range nedc
    75KWh Suv – 417km range nedc

    The model x has a 5KWh larger battery and still has a range 53km or around 30miles shorter range…

    Not only is the range worse, handeling and performance is worse too.
    Model s: 0-100km/h 5,4s
    Top speed 225km/h
    Model x: 0-100km/h 6.2s
    Top speed 210km/h

    The model x will not be a success!

    1. Michael Will says:

      Lol of course it will. Just not for people that want a sedan and only need to transport 5 people. Check the sales score card on this website for March numbers and come back first week of May to see the April numbers. And those are sales before they even had one to show or test drive in their stores.

    2. Just_Chris says:

      oh dear, I’m not sure where to start.

      Most people commute less than 50 miles a day on their own on good quality roads. There isn’t a single car in the market that can’t make that journey. People buy SUV’s because they want them not because they need them.

    3. DonC says:

      The price tag ensures it won’t be a big seller but the body style is right. Sedans are going out of favor at an astounding clip.

    4. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

      Apkungen said:

      “The model x will not be a success!”

      Reality check: It already is.

      1. tom911 says:

        I guess we can classify all the ‘issues’ that the Model X owners are having as ‘growing pains’?

        Reading X threads over at the TMC forum personally scares me and not something I’d call a success right now.

        But hey, that’s me – a fan of the company, a tesla shareholder but getting more and more concerned 1: that they are not going to be able to make money on the model 3 without adding lot’s of high margin options (SC access, Autopilot, etc) 2: Design is taking priority over functionality 3: QA and customer service 4: ability to ramp up production.

    5. TomArt says:

      News Flash! Bigger cars are slower!! Stop the presses!!!

      SUV/CUV models are hugely popular in the US…the North American X demand will have no problem exceeding supply for a long time, Falcon doors and all…

  12. EVfans says:

    “up to”(!!!!!)

    320 kilometers (200 miles)

  13. Roy LeMeur says:

    AFAIK most every Supercharger site has room for expansion, and more sites on the way.

    Folks base their charging assumptions based on the current amount of Superchargers, forgetting that the system is continually being expanded. Duh!

    1. Priusmaniac says:

      I just hope increasing the charging power of the supercharger higher than the present 135 KW doesn’t get lost in the expression frenzy. It would be too bad not to follow through towards 250 KW and 500 KW or even the Megacharger at 1000 KW for a true 5 to 10 minutes charging experience of a 100 KW battery.

      1. Priusmaniac says:

        expansion frenzy not expression frenzy. Lol spell corrector.

    2. See ‘Changes’ on supercharge dot info, 5 new sites online between Tesla’s March 21? 2016 Update on how to reserve a Model 3, and their first April (7th) update, announcing 325,000 reservations! Another 5 new sites online since then by last night, plus more sites in permit and construction stage as well!

      Elon said 3600 Superchargers now (March 31st), and will be 7,200 by end of 2017! Plus 4X as many Destination Chargers: 14,000!

  14. ydnas7 says:

    is this a play for matching Daewoo Bolt in Korea and an insurance policy against insufficient hydrogen vehicle sales in CARB states?

    looking for the Kia alternative, they are the real real as far as Korea is concerned.

    For California, is Hyundai treated like a major (Toyota, Nissan, GM) and Kia treated like a miner (Subaru, Mazda, Mitsubishi)???

    Hyundai’s ownership of Kia 33% is the same as Fords earlier 33% ownership of Mazda, yet they always were different companies.

  15. Michael Will says:

    Still don’t get why Mitsubishi did not launch their PHEV version of their flagship suv in the United States, maybe afraid of questions about the 138mpg

    1. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

      I don’t know that the reasons are entirely clear, or what the main reason was, but:

      1. Due to different U.S. regulations, Mitsubishi would have had to (and still does) make a different version of the car for the American market. Obviously there are some development costs for that.

      2. The balance of trade has not favored the American market in the past few years. If Mitsubishi gets a higher profit margin in other regions, namely in Asia and Europe, then why export cars to the U.S.?

      3. It has been widely speculated that Mitsubishi had a limited battery supply. If so, then that would be an even stronger reason to limit sales to regions where they’ll make a higher profit margin.

  16. Rich says:

    Another 200+ mile BEV on the market starting in 2018. Awesome!

    1. Bloggin says:

      That’s what I was thinking.

      With 90% of Model S owners never using a public charger, the Kia 200+ mile EV won’t need one either.

      Every major manufacturer should have a 200+ mile EV by 2018.

      BTW…gas prices are creeping back up. $2.45/gal regular, $2.71/gal premium, and strangely enough, diesel prices are dropping….now at $2.15 gal. But there is a reason…

      Oil companies are betting that low diesel prices will move more people to diesel vehicles instead of hybrids, plug-in hybrids or EVs. Unfortunately, VW screwed that up and started the diesel scandal, which has slowed diesel sales to a crawl. However, diesel makes sense for big SUVs and pick-up trucks.

      oh wait….plug-in full size pick-ups are coming….from Ford.

      But clearly, consumers would rather go zero fuel than cheaper dirty diesel.

      So now comes the 200+ mile EVs that can replace the daily commuter with little to no concern about range. And it does not matter how much gasoline costs….ZERO gasoline is the goal.

      1. mr. M says:

        or price for diesel is down because of low interesst. You know price vs. interesst?

  17. Kdawg says:

    200 miles for an SUV… so 75kWh battery?

    1. mr. M says:

      66 kWh usable is enough.

      1. Kdawg says:

        But w/buffer 75kWh?

  18. ModernMarvelFan says:

    And hopefully less than $40K?

  19. SparkFiatOwner-M3reserved says:

    Actually kind of smart to leave out pricing. Why lock themselves into a range? Tesla was obligated since for the longest time said 30k car for the masses is the ultimate goal.

    Would love to have a SUV/Mini to replace our very aged Odyssey; but not going to pay a premium for it.

    1. Aaron says:

      “…but not going to pay a premium for it.”

      Why not? Based on your user name, you already know the benefits of electric driving. It’s worth a premium.

  20. Nate Bucks says:

    Good news another ev with decent range. Better news that it us an SUV. No supercharger but likely a nice big hatch area. It will be interesting to see more details come in. I would be surprised if it starts around 35k unless it is more like the size of a CR-V. It is unlikely to be big enough to replace our Sienna so I would more likely go for Model 3, or even Bolt, but we’ll see.

    Between Tesla’s high performance and nice looking offerings, and now another manufacturer bringing a 200 aer suv, the image of EVs keeps improving.

  21. Paul says:

    This is good news! Why so many people write negative? The more car makers produce a 200 mile BEV by 2018 the better. The whole intention of the Model 3 was to inspire the rest to do just that and it is marvelously succeeding!

    Tesla cannot built all the cars everybody needs. Only if all the car makers jump in, the energy transition can begin. Therefore: welcome, Hyundai!

    1. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

      Paul said:

      “This is good news! Why so many people write negative?”

      It is indeed very good news! The more competition, the better for the EV revolution.

      It’s too bad the first comment here was from a Tesla basher. Unfortunately, the first post in a comment thread all too often sets the tone for the entire thread.

      And the article has not a mention of Tesla. Too bad most of the discussion here focuses on Tesla, rather than Hyundai.

  22. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

    I’m very glad to see Hyundai is developing a clean sheet BEV design, despite wasting resources putting a “fool cell” vehicle into mass production.

    Are you paying attention, Toyota?

  23. ziv says:

    I think Hyundai is going to have a huge hit on their hands, especially if they add a base model to the line up, call it the Doric model with a bit less AER and a lower MSRP. But I would hold out until they come out with the Corinthian model with more AER and an interior so luxurious you would need Ricardo Montalban to do the advertising…


    1. TomArt says:

      Saw what you did there – nice.

  24. Eric W says:

    This is great news. Another 200 mile electric SUV! If it is priced correctly, has fast DC changing 100+KW and looks OK, AND they can make enough of them (batteries & electronics) it should sell great.

    There are 1 Billion+ ICE cars on the road and about ~100 million new cars by 2020. Tesla wants as many of those cars to be long range fully electric cars. If 2 million people want a compelling long range EV in 2018, Tesla will build maybe 300K. If 20 million people want a long range EV in 2018, Tesla will still ONLY be able to build ~300K!

    Do we want people to buy an ICE (that will be on the road for 20 years) and wait 5 years for a Tesla or buy a long range compelling Vehicle from the OTHER 30+ car manufactures worldwide! Tesla mission is to compete against ICE vehicles ONLY (their mission to accelerate sustainable transportation and they can ONLY build so much by themselves). Tesla will high-fives ALL other EV drivers.

    I own a Tesla S85, Chevy Volt, Ford C-Max energy and Tesla 3 reservation. I would love for several different car manufactures to Actively compete for my EV car dollars based on car specs, looks, price, my perceived value AND Charging Infrastructure. This hypothetical SUV/CUV at least has me wanting to hear more and could win my money come 2018, which is better than anything else I have heard about before now not named Tesla.

    Stop making it Tesla vs. other EVs. It is All EVs vs. All ICEs.

    However, Tesla has set a pretty high bar for what makes a compelling EVs, which makes EV comparisons to Tesla hard to avoid. Somehow the debate has to at least shift to “if you can’t afford a New or Used Tesla or can’t wait years for a Tesla”, Is their another compelling EV (even if it lacks some Tesla stuff) you can buy now that is STILL much better than an ICE competitor? If the answer is Yes, then the WHOLE EV movement (which includes Tesla) WINS!

    It’s Not Rocket Science!

    1. Rich says:

      Well said.
      In addition, I suspect Tesla’s SC network will adopt the CCS standard and equip Tesla SuperChargers with a dual standards (Tesla’s proprietary plug and a CCS plug). This should take the SC network debate off the table and Accelerate the adoption of EVs across multiple brands.
      No automaker funding necessary. Tesla can charge the individual BEV owners either a one time fee or per use charges resulting in more revenue funneling into the SC network build out.
      Exciting times.

    2. Mxs says:

      Why does it have to be anyone vs. anyone???