How Does The New Nissan LEAF Compare To Today’s Other EVs? Graphs!

SEP 7 2017 BY MARK KANE 57

BEVs Price/Range Comparison – U.S. (September 6, 2017) – some models estimated

As the dust is settling on the 2018 Nissan LEAF’s recent unveiling (full details/watch debut here), it’s time to check out the newest EV’s position in the ever-crowed plug-in landscape.

2018 Nissan LEAF battery

The 2018 LEAF’s pricing starts from $29,990 ($30,875 incl. $885 destination), which works out to be net $23,375 after the federal tax credit.

The range of the 40 kWh version is EPA-estimated by Nissan at 150 miles.

As you can from the chart above, at that range there really is no competitor for 2018 Nissan LEAF…at least until you get into the much longer ranges of the Chevy Bolt EV, and the Tesla offerings – those all for a fair shake more money.

Is the new LEAF planned for the “sweet spot”, or just a random spot?  We will find out when the car arrives in all 50 US states and Europe in January.

We should note, there will be another LEAF trim level added to the chart, but we will need to wait roughly a year for longer range/higher performance 60 kWh EV, as Nissan promises that version’s arrival as a 2019 model year car in late 2018.

The “e-Plus” 2019 Nissan LEAF is pegged by the company to have “more than 200 miles” (think 215-200 miles), but wanting to sell as many 40 kWh copies as it can today…Nissan doesn’t really want to talk so much about it right now.

2018 Nissan Leaf

2018 Nissan Leaf

The new 2018 LEAF/40 kWh version is clearly targeted to once again dominate the lower spectrum of the EV market, and to take fulladvantage of the US federal credit – as its predecessor did.

While the new Nissan LEAF likely won’t be apply much pressure to the Tesla Model 3 or even the Chevrolet Bolt EV (that will come with the 2019 LEAF), it certainly puts the legion of 80-120 mile city/compliance BEVs on notice, as in just one night Nissan has redefined what the definition of “entry level EV” means to the Americans.

BEVs Price/Range Comparison – U.S. (September 6, 2017) – some models estimated

Despite the fact the 40 kWh LEAF is now easily one of the most affordable EVs today, the battery capacity is to not high enough to drive average price per mile down low enough to best the Tesla Model 3 or Chevrolet Bolt EV.   The 40 kWh LEAF trim level currently sits in 4th place at $206 per kWh.

BEVs price (MSRP + DST) per mile of EPA range comparison – U.S. (September 6, 2017) – some models estimated

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There will likely be a 6.1% price jump in Canada since Nissan got out of the battery business. I think that means they’ll be importing them into the US dropping the North American content triggering duty when imported into Canada.

Nope. They’ll still be using the same batteries. They just sold the business off so that the batteries can also be marketed to other manufacturers. They’ll pay externally for the batteries instead of accounting internally as they do now. It’s an organizational change. Physically, there’s no change under the hood.

Dan – Yes but it remains to be seen whether the new 2019 Leaf e-plus version (60kwh) will have an “LG Inside” sticker on it like the Bolt and pretty much every other EV out there these days other than Tesla.

I’m personally praying that it DOES since that would give us way higher chances of it finally getting a liquid-cooled battery pack.

I think the batteries will still be manufactured in Smyrna but by the new owner.

Could you do a chart with price on one axis and range on the other, with dots for vehicles? Looking at one of those allows you to make quadrants and see how we are doing at the goal affordable plus long range.

There will never be a “standard” model 3 with a full tax credit. Right?

Why do you say that? At the earliest, the full tax credit drop at the end of June, 2018. Standard models should be shipping in wide quantity well before then. And if Tesla is delayed, then the expiration would be pushed back.

I’m with you Tim. I think the $30k Tesla is in theory only, they’ll just make a few hundred available. I’m a bit disappointed that everyone is taking the bait on this marketing gimmick.

That said, I do love the Model 3. It’s just not an “affordable” car like they pretend it to be. It is a darn fine premium sport sedan.

Not only that but only the earliest of Model 3 reservation holders will get the full tax credit. Anybody who doesn’t already have a reservation doesn’t have a chance of getting it.

So, it’s not fair to compare a Model 3 – tax credit against, say, a Leaf/Bolt – tax credit. A fair comparison is a Model 3 without the tax credit against a Leaf/Bolt with a tax credit.

I think you can still compare the Bolt with the Model 3.

To date GM has sold 149,649 units in the US which include the Volt, Bolt, Spark EV, Cadillac ELR and the Cadillac CT6 PHEV.

At the current pace by the end of 2017 GM will have sold 163,649 units. If they continue to sell around 3,500 Bolts and Volts combined each month in 2018 like they have in 2017 then that will put them over 200,000 units by the end of 2018.

Depending on the ramp up for Tesla they might reach 200,000 by March/April or later in 2018.

In the scheme of things 8 months is not really enough difference to claim one should be compared with the tax incentive and the other one not.

It will at least for Cali especially if they won’t sell S and X in big numbers next year.

Nice charts!

I’m thinking Leaf and Bolt will expand in opposite directions for CY2018:

– Leaf will add 60KWh battery and price will jump ~5K making it similar in price to Bolt

– Bolt will offer a lower capacity battery option with a target price in line with the middle Leaf model

I don’t see GM lowering the Bolt’s range/capacity. I do see them lowering the price which would put a squeeze on Nissan and separating them from Tesla a bit. GM could also just change what’s in the base model (safety features and DC fast charging standard).

I haven’t been able to sit in a Bolt to assess the match between my seat and its seat. Assuming there is a comfortable match, if GM was to follow your suggestion – make safety & fast-charging available, I would be ready to beg my wife to let me purchase a new car. Until then, I don’t seen anything better for my needs than my 2011 Leaf with occasional borrowing of her Volt for longer distances.

Leaf and Volt make a great couple’s combo. Covers 100% for us.

That would make zero sense to GM. Price difference wouldn’t be significant, while perceived value would drop.

On top of that they have contract with LG to buy X kWh worth of batteries. GM can sell them all at higher price point, so why bother?

Only scenario where GM would gain is if LG had huge problems with scaling output (for GM), and so getting more cars sold meant going for smaller batteries.

Only GM gain would be market share. And that would be called for if Tesla started to signigicantly outproduce GM.

So, nope. To much trouble for to little to gain right now.

Another yet to be announced detail on the LEAF is the “LIMITED AVAILABILITY” notation on the Nissan web page when configuring a LEAF S.

This may be an indication that the S may be available only in certain markets – I’m thinking CA and/or ZEV states?

Is it only me or is the Hyundai Ioniq with its 124 miles range and much faster CCS charging still a better deal than the new Leaf?

I would say it is a tie. Every mile of range is important for the short range BEVs.

Hopefully we will soon get an updated Ioniq to really make it a winner.

And the Leaf will be produced in enough quantities to actually be able to be bought, unlike the Ioniq.

If the 100 kW chargers were everywhere I’d pick the Ioniq as a winner.

At the moment there is only few over 50 kW CCS stations out there, so practically Leaf and Ioniq have same charging rate now. That might change soon, but still I see Leaf’s extra 26 miles range at almost same cost as a better deal.

It likely is for leasing since Hyundai is offering that unlimited mileage lease deal which includes reimbursement for charging. I doubt Nissan will match that, though to be fair, the Ioniq version with the ProPilot-like features MSRPs for $2k higher than a Leaf with those will. Still, the biggest problem with the Ioniq is finding one period.

Not in the US. Tesla’s the only player in this country when it comes to fast charging because they put them where you actually need them (along highways in the middle of nowhere). The few CCS/Chademo chargers that do exist here are exactly where you don’t need them (at dealers in big cities).

That’s really misleading. Depends on where you live. Where I live there aren’t many chargers, and some are at dealers, but the locations are close to Interstates.

Depends on your range requirements and whether you’d lease or buy.

But I’d not _buy_ either right now. The Ioniq BEV is a compliance placeholder that will be replaced pretty soon, and the longer-range Leaf will be around in a year and will likely impact Nissan’s handling of the 40kWh.

I’d also wait on the Leaf to see how its battery holds up. Nissan’s battery degradation over time hasn’t really been that good. Has there been any word on whether the pack is actively managed this time?

Who cares? You can’t get one. They are only making like 700 a year for the US market. (66 sold last month).

LEAF is a non-player with that lousy range.
2Q 2018 is soooo late in the gave that it allows Tesla to clean up. Bolt should get any left overs. Not sure who the new LEAF would appeal to. Maybe it will surprise me but so far seems vastly underwhelming.

All depends on the pricing. If they can get people into them for under $300/month and with a down payment that would be equal to or less than the CA rebate, especially for the SV trim, they’ll find many homes.

150 miles are not enough?! Where the hell do you guy live?

Don’t you know these guys drive across the country every day uphill both ways.

Meant to say, 2Q 2018 is sooo late in the game that it allows Tesla to clean up.

They are really playing hard to build EV’s That will not sell so they can have those nasty EV mandate revoque, when will the car maker start building real EV’s?

Truthfully it is very difficult to compare the Nissan Leaf to any of the other BEVs as it STILL does not have any form of active thermal management for the battery (to the dismay of most informed EV owners and potential customers who were watching the reveal). Nissan can talk all it wants about 40% more range, pro-pilot and an e-pedal, but they missed the most crucial improvement that was needed for battery longevity.

No offense, but that 1st chart is an eyesore. Took me a minute to figure out what the heck I was looking at.

Base Leaf had Chademo as $1200 options. Not sure if that’s true with new Leaf. If so, IoniqEV and FFE could be better deal considering they have TMS while Leaf does not. Fortunately for Nissan, IoniqEV is still sold out, and there’s no sign that Ford wants to acknowledge FFE even exists.

Ioniq should be better due to efficiency too, to me that is more important than range if range is over 100 miles…if i had to choose one I would definitely go for Ioniq…if i could find one.

If it’s a choice among the three and they are all available, I’d probably go for FFE. Rear seat headroom on IoniqEV is just too low for my taste.

Leaf/Bolt are cars for EV enthusiasts that will only sell in reasonable numbers if the lease payments are considerably lower than Model 3’s. If we put an ice engine in Leaf, Bolt and M3 today, Leaf and Bolt (at these prices) would basically sell zero units while Model 3 for $35K would still sell very well

From what I read repairs of Tesla can be very expensive. There was a lamp replacement mentioned -here I think- cost was usd 3000. Not everyone can afford it. These cars serve different markets and constant comparisons with Tesla start to get tiring. If Rolls makes an EV one day with 200kWh battery will everyone keep comparing it to Leaf?
I expect Leaf sales to at least double next year especially in Europe and then double or triple the year after.

You’re realistically looking at a $30k hot batch to match the Bolt. You can’t compare a Honda Fit to the Bolt. They are in too different leagues. The Bolt is quicker than any EV on the market that doesn’t have Tesla in the name.

$25k hot hatch is more like it.

The chart that is missing here is battery degradation. The Leaf is completely uncompetitive unless Nissan gets its act together on thermal management. Leaf 1 shipped without a decent thermal management system and its degradation proved to be terrible (with even Nissan expecting it to drop by 30% in 100k miles under very optimistic environmental conditions) and it has horrible resale as a result. Now the Leaf 2 is announced with the same garbage approach of recirculated air. Meanwhile today’s InsideEVs home page shows that Tesla will achieve 521k miles with 80% capacity (loss of less than 7% in 100k miles) and the Volt has roughly zero capacity loss in 140k of electric operation. Sites like InsideEVs need to start being honest with the public. There are two classes of EVs: those that will last (e.g. GM & Tesla) and this that will quickly become worthless as the usable range drops precipitously. People already think that the “battery goes bad in 5 years” problem is endemic to EVs rather than just a reflection of bad engineering at Nissan.

It’s true that Leafs battery problems lead some people to not consider them. I certainly would not buy one, especially since they don’t seem to get it, or even want to talk about it.

So, to go from a 220 miles Model 3 to 310 miles Model 3, it cost you $9K for 90 miles.

But to go from a 150 miles LEAF to a 234 miles Bolt, it cost you $7,500 more for 84 miles.

that is almost exactly the same. Of course, Model 3 LR has more performance. But it appears that Bolt is quicker than the new LEAF as well.

So, it will make the LEAF 60kWh version really interesting in pricing.

Are you kidding? Bolt is going to be heck of a lot quicker than Leaf. Leaf is going to be slower than even the 2014 SparkEV. Sllloooowww is expected from Leaf.

But Leaf beats Bolt on DCFC speed. GM really need to up their game with DCFC instead of “step downs”.

We don’t know how much faster the new LEAF is yet. It has nearly a 30% power boost with similar weight. So, 7s to 8s for 0-60mph isn’t out of question if geared correctly.

As far as charging speed is concerned, 80% or 120 miles in 40 minutes isn’t significantly faster than 90 miles in 30 minutes. That is actually the same miles/minute. Granted, that tapering is a bit later for another 10 minutes which is nice. But without liquid cooling, how likely will those rate be sustained is anyone’s guess. Those are both “ideal” conditions.

0-60, maybe 8.0

I would put my money on low 8 seconds. The new motor has 110 kW output which is practically the same as the gen 1 Volt’s 111 kW. The gen 1 Volt weighs a couple hundred pounds more than the newer Leaf and is in the 8.5-9 range.

The gen 2 Volt’s curb weight is almost identical to the new Leaf but has a slightly higher peak output of 120 kW and a time of around 7.5-7.8 seconds.

So my guess is that the new Leaf will fall somewhere in between the two Volt times in the low to low/mid 8s.

SparkEV has 105 kW, and 2014 weighed 2960 lb. New Leaf has 110 kW and ~3500 lb. There’s no way new Leaf will compare against 2014 SparkEV, let alone 2015+ SparkEV or Bolt.

You might be right about DCFC in hot weather. After driving in highway at 70 MPH in hot summer day, battery would be nice and toasty such that Leaf may not keep even 36 kW for long.

But in more moderate temperature, I’ve seen 24 kWh Leaf to 80% add more energy in 20 minutes than Bolt. If we assume new Leaf doesn’t do what Bolt is doing (step-down rather than gradual taper), Leaf will be quicker in DCFC.

The max charge rate of a 24kWh Leaf is 105A. Bolts go faster than that (125A, maybe more). The steps don’t slow charging as much as you think. Do the math on them. The Bolt just steps sooner than you would like. This would be due to the max pack voltage being reached. And a taper wouldn’t change that, it just would allow the area “between the sawtooth and the curve” to be used. But that area just isn’t much. Presume a Bolt drops from 125A to 100A at 54% and drops again at 78%. 54% occurs at 41 mins. 78% occurs at 57 mins. The charge rate at 54% to 78% is about 37-39kW. Before the drop it is 44kW. The rectangular area below both charge curves is 16 mins * 38kW / (60mins / 1 hour). That is 10.13kW. A curved or stepped charge would both charge that much. The triangular area (assuming the curve is straight line, it’s pretty close) is (44-38) / 2 * 16 / (60 mins/ 1 hour) or 0.8kWh. If the car had a taper it would charge 10.93kW in that 16 minutes instead of 10.13kW. It would charge a whopping 8% faster.… Read more »

This comparison of price per mile is only correct in theory. Unlike Nissan or GM Tesla does not offer any discounts on new cars. Sticker price for Leaf will not ‘stick’ for long and offers will start coming up increasing the price gap between these cars.

The new Leaf is a solid upgrade, but to me it’s just not very compelling. The Bolt has such better package of range and performance, Model 3 as well.

The retail price on the Leaf is still too high to attract mass sales. This will need to be significantly discounted to attract a lot of sales, IMO, because it is still too limited.

I’m glad Nissan is working to improve its EV offerings, but they still lag GM and Tesla badly with this 150 mile offering at $30,000.

Agreed… I bet GM took a sigh of relief when they saw this announcement. I find it interesting GM hasn’t announced anything for the 2018 Bolt. I think they wanted to see what the rest of the field looked like first.

Yep. I expect a price cut for the 2018 Bolt. They’ll need it to compete with the Model 3.

I don’t expect a price cut soon except perhaps to make DCFC standard on the Premier ($750 drop).

Unless something drastic has changed – The Leaf gets maybe 36-37 miles per 10 kWh. My guess is the new leaf will be closer to 145 miles of range……

does they not sell Renault ZOE in US?
I never see in on the carts!