Honda’s New 186-Mile Electric Fit Will Be Priced Below $20,000

MAY 24 2018 BY MARK KANE 129

According to media reports, Honda and Chinese battery manufacturer Contemporary Amperex Technology (CATL) will partner to develop an affordable electric Honda Fit that goes the distance.

Honda Fit EV

Honda already offered a short-range Fit EV several years ago in a small-scale pilot (lease only) in Japan and even moved some 1,100 in select U.S. states.

The new Honda Fit EV (also known as Jazz) is to be ready in 2020 and offered globally in volume of up to 100,000 annually. The keys to achieving that lofty sale goal is a price of 2 million yen (over $18,000 or €15,500) and range of 300 km (186 miles) in an undisclosed test cycle.

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Even if the real-world range is more like 200-240 km (125-150 miles), at the price of hybrid, the Honda Fit EV would match the range of the current Nissan LEAF, while undercutting its price by a wide margin.

Honda has already confirmed production of small city car called the Urban EV, and here is how it might look in production form. So, Urban EV and Fit EV. Exciting times for us thanks to unexpected player Honda.

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I wouldn’t be averse to considering a Fit EV. Conveniently 2020 is when my e-Golf lease is up. Although I hope the range is at least 150 miles. I don’t think I’ll even consider anything less than that for a future EV, especially because off lease Bolts should be available used then for around that price.

Agreed, I think 150 Miles is the new bogie. Small grocery getter / commute car like Fit with 150 miles of range at $20k or less before any incentives would be a killer to similar economy class gassers.

Yep, i would get one despite the looks which I’m not a fan of. That’s less than $10k under current credits in Cali. Nuts!

If true, it is nutz (I’m in CA also and I’d jump at it) but it kinda sounds too good to be true. At 20k before credits there would (should) be a lot more demand than 100k units annually could satisfy. By the way 186 miles is 300 km which is what they said to the rest of the worlds people.

I’m skeptical too. This is coming form a manufacturer bragging on tv about a conventional hybrid in 2018 (new accord).

Heavy skepticism here. There has to be a catch. No active cooling. No standard CCS. Battery not included in lease price. There’s no way they can hit that price without leaving out some pretty important things. Or it’s 300km on the Japanese cycle which, if I’m not mistaken, makes the NEDC look downright pessimistic.

Made in China and probably very basic.

The $8k price tag on my used Spark EV was a big motivator, even though the car is not much of a looker. But it’s a fun car to drive.

The funnest!

If this thing is real, it would be amazing. $7500 Federal + $5000 Colorado tax would mean $5500 for a great little car in my state, assuming this incentives stick around….

Competitive price

And that is a good development

This Chinese battery maker will soon surpass Tesla in capacity

/not a dis on Tesla, some insight into CATL

“not a dis on Tesla…”
Why? Are you taking a break today? Is it your off day?

I knew the ‘surpass Tesla’ could be very “triggering” to some

.. so there you go.

Haha! Tesla fans do not give CATL or BYD any credit for their progress, because they are not named Tesla… Both companies are making serious progress in China.

Are you getting all wet because they products are unlikely to be sold in the states? Of course, your not a Tesla hater, you are against evs in general.

I guess by your definition I’m not a “Tesla fan”, because I always mention BYD when talking about the very few companies which actually have credible claims to be able to produce long-range EVs in large numbers. Only those auto makers which are spending, or have spent, billions on building large-scale battery cell manufacturing have any credibility in claiming they’re going to build large numbers of long-range EVs. So far that’s BYD, Tesla, and perhaps by 2020 VW, if their recent claims are true.

Nobody else, and I do mean nobody. Ford? well, I’ll believe it when I see it.

Sigh. Honda, not Ford. At least I’m consistent ion my mistake! 😉 Honda making that many BEVs is a lot easier to believe.

You’re kidding right? Tesla plans for over 150 GWh by 2020 and this plant in China plans to open at 41 GWh in 2020…
Last I checked, 150 dwarfs 41 dude

Tesla does not make any battery cells, you mean Panasonic? and GF1 is nowhere near finished, but the GWh number keeps growing… typical Tesla BS…

It’s a joint venture, even a pathetic troll like yourself should know that.

You also seem to be confusing batteries and cells. Panasonic doesn’t produce any batteries at the Tesla Gigafactory.

Yes, the number of GWh produced annually by Panasonic at Tesla’s Gigafactory one (with one or two more Gigafactories to be added soon) certainly is going to continue to grow, and at last look, grow a lot faster than BYD and whatever this Johnny-come-lately battery cell maker is doing.

Sorry if you are having a hard time wrapping your Tesla-hater mind around the concept of exponentially growing GWh cell output from Panasonic.

Are there two “Daves” posting comments at InsideEVs? I get the rather strong impression there are. The other “Dave” actually posts interesting and well-informed comments. You… do not.

Last I looked, Panasonic was making battery cells for Tesla cars. Somehow I doubt that has changed recently.

Now we’re talking.

So this would be something so many have been waiting on since GM first introduced the idea of a “successful electric car” back in 1996…..

.. and just a quarter of a century later, we might actually have one.

/How ironic that “the engine company” would be the one to deliver?

Believe it when it’s actully here…not before

I don’t think they’ll build the Urban EV and if they do, I don’t see it being offered where I am in AL. IF they build it at the $20k price point before incentives and it has 150 miles of range and offered here, I’ll be a first time Honda owner with a new super cool looking Urban EV!

I wonder why the cap global sales at 100K cars? Why wouldn’t Honda simply let public appetite dictate their sales? I will say, possibly 186 mile range, or anything over 130 miles at less than $20k and now we’re talking about mainstream!

It’s not capped. That’s the production capacity they are building. All products are released with a certain production run in mind. If Apple’s demand exceeds their planned production, they backorder your phone. It’s the same here. Honda can’t magically increase the rate at which they make cars without adding new production lines and hiring and training new staff.

That makes sense. Although with a company as large as Honda, I think I’d plan for the possibility that GLOBAL appetite may just exceed 100k per year. (That’s probably why I’m not the CEO of the company!)

The planning part is cheap; building production capacity is very expensive. Say they want to prepare for a total worldwide sales of 200k instead of 100k. They would have to choose between stealing capacity from other products (and I’d guess they don’t have a lot to spare, possibly almost none) and building new facilities, which takes time and a lot of money just to produce that additional 100k units. The upfront/fixed costs of car production are a very nasty problem.

All that aside, I am very happy to see this move from Honda, even if it’s yet another “promised for 2020” car and even if I’m highly skeptical about that price. They’re talking about building essentially an entry level 40kWh Leaf and selling it for $10k less than Nissan does today. (And yes, I know the Fit/Leaf comparison isn’t perfect. I’ve driven Fits numerous times and am currently on my second Leaf.) If they can do it, great, but I’ll be surprised if it hits the US market in base trim at less than $25k.

Sure, but if companies are paying attention the where the puck is GOING (which is undoubtedly electric), then preparing for the inevitable explosion would seemingly make sense.

Of course. But don’t you think there is a fairly significant risk (from Honda’s point of view) that the 2020 Fit may just face a few other equally affordable and equally capable competitors? I’m pretty sure Honda has tried to guess what the market will look like and plan in order to minimize the risks rather than maximize the opportunity. That is how incumbents behave when their core business is disrupted, and there are fundamental reasons for that (it is hard to do anything else).

Then you wouldn’t be thinking like the old n stodgy Honda which takes decades to recognize trends or change the direction of their ship. Examples include no suv till late nineties and no truck till last decade…and of course still no over 90 mile range bev till next decade.
Ridiculously slow to evolve n stick to their ice tech Honda.

But looking at the future of autonomy and ride sharing, market analysis would point to a massive dip in individual car ownership by 2030 or so. Why build up a bunch of production capacity, and end up with stranded assets when car demand drops by 90%?

Ummm… because “a massive dip in individual car ownership” is most likely just wishful thinking by some who are letting their “green tech” desires and philosophy override facts and common sense?

People are not all — or even mostly — gonna give up the convenience of having a personal car available anytime they need it in favor of taking Uber/Lyft for every trip, just because Uber/Lyft replaces human drivers with robot drivers!

No, it’s not a Leaf equivalent — the Fit (called Jazz outside the US & Japan) is one size class smaller. It does have excellent cargo flexibility, see
which I hope they’ll still be able to offer on the BEV (note it’s tied closely to the drivetrain packaging).
That said, it should be a very good seller outside the US if they can do it at the mentioned price, and a 150mi real-world range. The actual mention of a 100K production target is also encouraging — if all of that ends up happening, Honda will have definitely joined the EV camp.

I also wonder whether the BEV drivetrain isn’t the same as for their cutesy Urban EV which supposedly will be produced starting 2019.

Automakers started assembling multiple models on the same line long time ago – for flexibility. You still have planning and suppliers, and model specific parts may be a bottleneck. But not cell production, CATL supplies a lot of automakers, not just this Honda car.

I would not expect 300 km on EPA test cycle though. It would be very wishful thinking. More likely it is designed for China market.

Hey zzzzzz, another nail in the coffin of the idea that fool cells would ever be practical for light duty transportation as Honda shifts its focus.

Get Real,
I would certainly prefer fuel cells or whatever other kind of batteries over diesel exhaust in the cities.
If you prefer diesel, enjoy breathing it yourself in all your fanboy hate.

So far I’m not hyper optimistic though, electric and hybrid share is almost flat for last few years even in California. ~100 EPA mile compact car to meet Chinese government requirements is no going to change the game. There are plenty of used Leafs and other brand electrics on the market for that price and for less already.

CATL aims to reach 300 Wh/kg before 2020

Keep in mind that EV production is constrained by limited supply of battery cells. Since auto makers (other than BYD) don’t make their own battery cells, they are dependent on battery cell supply from suppliers. Tesla has of course built its Gigafactory One (GF1) to ensure supply for the Tesla Model 3, but even Panasonic’s cell production at GF1 has a finite supply of GWh per year.

To make 100,000 BEVs per year, Honda will need to throw huge wodges of cash at some battery cell maker, whether it’s CATL or somebody else.

Honda might be able to pull this off, but I think it more likely that they will build a cheap EV for the Chinese market, with its much lower safety standards, and with a very inflated range rating from the Chinese rating system.

With a much lower real-world range, the car wouldn’t need nearly as big a battery pack, so a smaller battery cell maker like CATL might be able to handle it, especially if Honda (and/or the Chinese Government) hands them billions of dollars to build out that much production capacity over the next couple of years.

It’s a compliance vehicle. Honda will very likely only build the minimum they need to comply govt regs around the world including in CA.

Unfortunately all bevs sans Tesla are compliance vehicles when u look at the numbers produced and where sold.

And Tesla is dedicated compliance company, trying to make compliance credit sales and operating loss covering share sales to idiot fanboys its core business. Amen.

Stay in Russia you troll!

I really hope they reach Canada

By the time this comes to the US the credit may or may not be around, even for laggards like Honda. But at $22k, even if no credit is available, this would still be a nice town car if it has at least 140 miles of real world range and can DC Fast Charge at 50 kW, or more. The Fit has a lot of pluses the Bolt has, roomy, slightly sporty drive, and it isn’t quite as ugly as the Bolt. The lower price will open up a market segment that the longer range Bolt can’t reach. They would complement each other quite nicely. On a different note, can anyone provide a link to an article comparing the relative ranges of a car or two on the American, Japanese or European official range tests? I have been looking and can’t find one. I think the US test is tougher (and more realistic with regards to real world AER) than the European and the European test is in turn tougher than the Japanese one, but I really don’t know the numbers. Thanks in advance if you can share a link to one! This article really begs the question of what… Read more » has a NEDC table and a link to EPA for the same cars. Japan ratings are harder to find but are usually 10-15% higher than NEDC.

EPA has more high speed weighting so it’s usually lower. How much lower depends on the car, though.

Thanks for the link, D! I would much rather own the Euro Bolt that has a 323 mile AER, rather than the 238 mile American model! LOL! [That was a joke, not sure if it will translate as such! 😉 ]
It is interesting how the ratings vary so much, but knowing approximately how much they each vary makes it easier to understand the real world range. I am comparing the two tables, NEDC and EPA, and it seems like the EPA runs about 15% to 30% less than the NEDC. And the EPA is probably closer to what most of us would see in the real world. Odd that the NEDC and EPA ratings are much closer for the 2017 Ford Focus Electric and the Tesla Model S 75D than most of the other ratings.
Thanks again!

Tesla S 75D EPA is 85.2% of NEDC
2017 FFEl is 82.1%
2017 Bolt is 73.6%
2018 Kia Soul EV is 71.6%
2017 30 kW Nissan Leaf is 69%

I doubt Honda has passed even 10k in credits total yet, so they should still have at least 190k left and they only plan to use about 70k of that with the Clarity series. Thus, they’ll still have plenty of credits left over for a Fit EV 2.0.

If Tesla and GM have seen their credits drop to $1875 by the end of next year, I would bet that all the credits will disappear/get legislated out of existence by a short time thereafter.
Why reward the laggards when the leaders have lost the credit?

I agree, something will change with the credits. I think the overall credit amounts will be reduced, and limited to cars under $35,000 or something similar to that.

Might come down to what happens in the elections this year. If Republicans hang on, then I think there’s a good chance the credits disappear. If Democrats take back one or both Houses there’s more chance of some sort of compromise where the credits are extended. Honestly don’t think Trump really cares one way or the other (although to be honest I also don’t think he actually cares about much, other than that which benefits him personally).

“lofty sale goal” ? Globally? The demand is millions !

That’s what I was thinking, too!

At that price an EV simply costs less than gas for a normal car. A sub-$20k EV is essentially free.

Yup. Even a 30k EV (minus government rebates) is essentially free if you keep it long enough.

Free? Where do you live? Here, no incentives, so it’s full price, and electricity costs would peg it at 4-5 cents a mile, and that goes up every freaking year. Cheaper to run? Slightly, but only 2-3 cents a mile unless you currently drive a gas guzzler, and gas fluctuates a lot. In 5 years it could be down at $2.30 again in these parts, but electricity will be 5-10 cents higher per kwh. At that point just about any gas car is cheaper to run. These electrics are a ways away from being the panacea of goodness people make them out to be, especially when you factor in depreciation.

Your math is awful and cherry picked. You would need at least a 40mpg car to come close to breaking even if the higher electricity cost states.

There are plenty of choices for 50+ mpg cars, not even talking about 40+. Recent Camry Hybrid, Prius, Ioniq Hybrid, Niro etc, for much less than equivalent 200+ mile BEV. It is matter of upfront cost not mouse nuts on gas/electricity. You need to come closer in upfront cost and functionality (like driving 700 miles and refueling in 5 minutes) before talking about mouse nut saving. So far the progress looks promising but we are not there yet.

One thing hydrogen drinkers like yourself forget is that every gasser mpg decreases with age. My 2013 Lexus EX300h which was 40mpg at purchase is now at 33.2 mpg. Chew on that… and no, there are not that many choices.

as good as this news is, I really dont want a Fit. Come on Honda make a beautiful , compelling , high performance EV!

I’ll swing at that softball (again) ..

I’ll take one of those too!

A practical, functional, ecomonical EV is exactly what is needed, not another high performance high price EV. I doubt the price of this is real, and as of now it’s just a “news” release but, if real, it’s the kind of EV that could be sold in the post tax credit world (although Honda has a LONG way to go on that if the credits are not cancelled and the rules stay the same).

100,000 annually per continent? Otherwise not nearly enough. They will sell like hot cake unless full autonomy leasing fleets are available in 2020.

And, this is where the movement becomes mainstream…

Does it have CCS DC charging (or at least optional)?

The Clarity BEV has CCS so I would presume this would as well. At least on North American and European models.

One only needs to look at the massive waiting list for the Model 3 to understand that folks want EV’s, and that appetite is only gonna grow exponentially. Not preparing for the global deluge at this point would be foolish.

“to understand that folks want EV’s”…If they wanted EVs, why are folks waiting 2+ years when they could buy a Bolt, Leaf, etc, today most likely at a cheaper price? The waiting list exists because people want a trendy/cool/luxury “brand” more than they want an “EV”…

Or because the rest aren’t true full use replacements. People don’t want to be shackled by range and charging. Bolt has some range but still no capable national charging network for long distance travel.

Or maybe it’s more than just the car being electric at this point. (Psst- it’s also the Supercharger network, performance, and aesthetics)

Or because there are hundreds of different models of gasmobile cars and light trucks available, and only 6 or 8 models of BEVs selling on the American market in more than compliance car numbers? BEVs which do not include a single pickup or actual full-sized SUV? (Even the Tesla Model X is a CUV, not a real SUV.)

This IS news, an affordable EV.

Wow, are we going to see the first true mass market EV?

LMAO at Dave the serial anti-Tesla troll once again showing his clear biases against American company Tesla and for foreign automakers.

The Model 3 by virtue of its soon to be selling in the hundreds of thousands is by definition of that the first mass market EV.

Granted, as an entry level luxury vehicle its not affordable to all but it is going to be by a wide margin by far the best sold EV at this stage.

Hopefully Honda has given up on the ridiculous idea that fool cells could ever be an affordable and sustainable solution to light duty vehicles and good luck to it and the others instead shifting to widespread BEVs.

To clarify again on your incorrect data, I currently own a GMC pickup, so not anti-American, and my business owns 2 GMC work trucks, 2017 Volt, and 3 Kenworth T-800 All American

I was 100% sure you were not an ev owner…confirme.

Will you be upgrading your diesel semis to Tesla semis?

> in an undisclosed test cycle

Much hinges on what that is, but I doubt Honda has been “smart” enough to state numbers based on anything worse than NEDC at least, and perhaps even had the sense to guesstimate WLTP range.

With that caveat, this is great news for EVs. Yes, it is nice to see more range, more power, more everything really – but to become more mainstream, the market *really* needs more affordability as well! And this seems to be a really significant step in the right direction!

Pity it wasn’t the uber-cool Honda Urban, but I guess that would have been to good to be true.

I wonder if they’ll use CHAdeMO? There’s nothing else in Japan, so their hands are tied in the home market, but it should be easy enough to equip cars for the rest of the world with CCS. The question is whether they want to, and I’d be interested to know.

I figured out that I saved about $6500 (Canadian) over three years with my Model S (that is factoring out about $2000 in “free” charging on long distance trips). That is better than $20,000 over ten years, for a car that would cost about $25,000 Canadian. That would be one incredible deal, without any government rebates/incentives! With incentives, it would be essentially paying for itself in ten years.

Potentially much less than 10 years depending on your annual mileage.
For example we have a Nissan Leaf 2016 (30kwh) which we bought for about 32k including taxes and after government rebates here in Québec, where gas is currently hovering around $1.50/liter (approx. $5.80/gallon). We financed it through Nissan at 0.99% over 6 years. We estimate that the car will have paid for itself in 8 years in gas savings (we do 35,000km/year with it), after which point we are being paid to drive it.
And as gas prices keep increasing that already sweet picture keeps on getting sweeter!

You saved that money compared to what? A prius? A 540i? A Camry? And what do you pay for electricity in your province/city? Stuck in USA but love Canada by the way.

I would 100% buy this car if it has that range for that price and looks anything like any of the previous Fit models.

To quote Joe Biden ‘this is a big f#$ing deal’.

It would be a nice city EV. However:

– It’s not a Leaf competitor as the two are not the same size class. It’s smaller than the Bolt.
– By the time it comes out (and EV rollout timelines are notoriously slippery), the Leaf and likely also the Ioniq will have long ago launched >200-mile real-range versions. Probably other automakers as well.

Still, the more the merrier. Honda’s tune on EVs has certainly changed and that’s good.

The point is, if this price is right, it would cost $10,000 less than a Leaf.

Unless Nissan hits overdrive on cutting the price on the LEAF, there will still be a market for this car, especially since the longer-range version of the LEAF is expected to cost around double what this thing does (before incentives). We’ve already seen with the IONIQ EV that (battery) size isn’t everything as it can actually travel faster than the Bolt over distances beyond the Bolt’s battery range. If Honda puts similarly fast charging abilities into the Fit EV, it could absolutely outclass the LEAF, especially if they have nearly the same range in the first place.

Don’t bet on it. Honda, along with ford, is notorious for bev teases with nothing in production. And this is at least two years away from hitting the showrooms in the states.

Honda will keep fighting carb regs to delay the the absolute need for them to bring bevs to

However, if this new gen bev fit wee here for under $20K and a range of150+ miles, Honda could sell 50k/year just in ca if the wanted to do so.

Well, this will shut up the “EVs are too expensive” argument for good. Make this happen, Honda. Nobody else is aiming for this price point. Do it before someone else does, competition wins every time over complacency.

I’d buy one but just like with the Clarity you won’t find them for sale in the US

The Clarity is on sale. I seen a couple in my local dealer here in Ohio

Even the full-electric version?

The electric clarity is a compliance car sold only in California and maybe one or two other ZEV states, so he must have meant the PHEV.

At that price point, it would be hard to meet the demand in the Japanese market. Forget about Europe, China, and US.

And I doubt that would be the price the US. They would be able to up it by at least $7500, knowing people could get the federal tax rebate, and it would still undercut the Leaf.

I live in Los Angeles County. I have been leasing the Fit EV since December of 2013. I have 101,700 miles on it. The brake pads have never had to be replaced. I have not noticed any degradation in the range. Every 7,500 miles I bring it to Honda for a small maintenance session where they rotate the tires, fill the windshield washer fluid tank, replace the cabin air filter, and maybe a few other minor things. No repairs have been needed other than a burned out turn signal light bulb. I have nothing but the highest praise for Honda. Because this car was made from the ICE version, there is some extra space under the front hood. I assume that the new BEV model will be designed as a BEV so that extra space can be eliminated and passenger/cargo space can be increased. But maybe not. Anyway, the car is great.

I leased a Fit EV in Oregon. Great car til winter came around. The range dropped like crazy under 50 degrees. Don’t even think about turning on the heat or the defroster, I could barely make my 40 mile round trip commute in that car in winter. Loved it in the summer, though.

Clarity EV has the same problem with acres of space under the hood. There’s really enough space there for a frunk if they wanted to. Or better yet, more batteries.

Or get a used iMiev, they are dirt cheap now, used are almost a steal.

Holy Helpful Honda Hilarity!
Is Honda now taking a page out of the VW playbook?

Helpful Honda folks, are now finally coming around with a 2018 Bolt / 2019 Leaf / Hyundai-Kia EV long range competitor.

People will buy these BIG time!


In the global market, compact hatch-back mini-CUVs like the FIt and the Chevy Bolt will be very popular as urban micro-work-vans and people movers, especially with a mid-range 30-40 kWh pack. A 35 kWh Bolt would have about 145 miles EPA range and likely could actually achieve 170 miles in good weather conditions, based on owners experience about the Bolt exceeding EPA estimates. That would be plenty of range for most EU and Asian markets.

That would be awesome. Believe it when I see it tho.

I guess the question is Chademo or CCS?

With that price, it will sell well. Not everybody needs a huge battery, they just need a vehicle that works.

Just hope it’s a newly designed vehicle, with regards to traffic safety.

$20,000 is too good to be true. After tax incentives in my state it would be $10,500. Not gonna happen.


Yeah it sound like “too good to be true…” But hey… good things happen 😉 Stay positive.

Do you think they will sell Fit-EV with 186 miles (300 km) range for just $18,000 when they are selling Fit-Gas for $16,200.

This is just to discourage people from buying Model-3 as its production ramps up.

VW said they will sell ID for just $27,000 and now Honda is throwing that big lie.

Lets call VW as liar squared and Honda as liar cubed.

Many do not seem to like the truth from you … You are absolutely correct

Bring it on!!!

While at first glance $20k sounds like WOW, I think most non-Tesla EVs sell for FAR below their MSRP. Not sure about Bolt but it has been possible to buy Leaf/Soul for under $20 before government incentives. That’s how you get $99/month lease. Slightly used BMW i3 REX is readily available for $15k…

But I am glad to see this. By 2020 BEV market will sure look a lot different. Exciting times we live in. I just hope we see larger vehicles planned, since with all the huge pickups, SUVs and CUVs clogging up our roads it is scary/irresponsible to drive something as small as the Fit. Offer a Pilot EV, Honda… please!

Massive vehicles are clogging up our roads, so let’s disregard small cars and put more massive vehicles on our roads. Fabulous logic.

So Anton, you are against a “massive vehicle” like the Model X?

My neighbors have a huge white Tahoe they load up with bikes and skis and camping equipment. They recently added a beautiful Model X. So more efficient for them. I hope people buy less car in the future, but going electric is a big reduction in your carbon footprint in most of the USA even if you go from a midsize to a big Model X.

X is not massive, not by American standards.

No, it’s irresponsible to drive a massive vehicle. Driving is pretty safe and getting safer with driving safety tech (but worse with distracted drivers). Buying a tank because everyone else has a tank is profoundly selfish.


So many “too good to be true…” comments.

Come on people, good things happen… All the time… Just take a look around… I guess most of what you see would “not gonna happen” 20-30 years ago…

Even if just half of all the announced things happen and even if they happen slightly later and at slightly higher cost… We are seeing such a huge transformation… Good times ahead! 🙂

“Come on people, good things happen… All the time…”

Yes, but the lowest priced vehicle in a street-legal category of automobiles does not drop from $35k-37.5k in one year to $20k only 3 years later, not even if the car is “a size smaller” and with slightly shorter EV range.

That does not happen in the real world.

This car will not be sold in the USA for $20k or less, and it won’t have 186 miles on the EPA test cycle. If it is actually sold in the USA or the EU, it won’t come even close to that price or that real-world range.

I owned an early Fit and greatly appreciated everything but it’s buzzy little engine. I’m up to give this guy a shot, big time. I tried the Bolt and it had many things I liked, but the interior room, audio system and price sucked. The Fit sounds like a real fit.

If they ever really sold this car for $20,000, with existing tax incentives available, they would sell hundreds of thousands of them. There would be waiting lines like the Model 3… oh, wait a minute, we’ve seen this one before. Maybe they are learning from Elon. Only the $30,000 model will be available at first…, then …

If it sounds to good to be true…….. Unless this is an after tax credit price it most certainly is. Even if it’s $27,500 MSRP it’s quite a deal. Too good?? Time will tell.

These so called news reports … Might cost … Do you even understand that to do 240 plus kms with AC , a lithium ion battery pack size would be about 35 to 40 kw … A price point of 8000 usd, so the fit with airbags, with AC, with standard equipment can be built in 10000 usd , hence literally zero margin for Honda …. or are they getting the battery for free…

Tesla is cooked.

“The new Honda Fit EV (also known as Jazz) is to be ready in 2020 and offered globally in volume of up to 100,000 annually.”

I will be quite startled if a U.S. version of this is actually sold for MSRP $20k or less. I didn’t think it was possible to sell a 4-door, 4-wheel, highway-capable BEV that is street-legal in the USA for that magic “Everyman car” price tag of $20,000 or under. And if they really are aiming at a volume of 100,000 annually, that means it’s no compliance car, either!

My guess is that the $20k version will be primarily aimed at China and other countries with lower safety standards than the U.S. and EU countries. My guess is that if is a U.S. and/or EU version, it will be significantly more expensive.

If Ford proves me wrong, then I’ll certainly eat my plate of crow. But I didn’t think Ford was even in the running for making the first “Everyman” BEV… and I still don’t.

Ack! Honda, not Ford.

That makes it a lot easier to believe.