Honda FCEV To Spawn PHEV & EV Variants?

OCT 27 2015 BY MARK KANE 23

Honda Power Exporter 9000

Honda Power Exporter 9000

Nikkei is reporting that Honda intends to standardize a chassis to offer hydrogen fuel cell (FCV), electric (EV) and plug-in hybrid (PHEV) models. This move will save costs on all three offerings..

Honda FCV will be unveiled at the Tokyo Motor Show, and will enter the market first in 2016, together with the Honda Power Exporter 9000 device.

Sharing the same undercarriage, the electric and plug-in hybrid will follow in 2018 (Japan, U.S. and Europe), all produced on the same line.

According to Nikkei, Honda FCV is to be slightly more expensive than Toyota Mirai, but will have slightly more range.

“Smaller fuel cells enable the powertrain for the hydrogen-powered car to be stored in the front, and it has a cruising range of over 700km on a full tank, beating Toyota Motor’s Mirai by at least 50km. The car is expected to sell for 7.66 million yen ($62,807).”

“Though the Honda fuel-cell vehicle is set to cost over 400,000 yen more than the Mirai, the Toyota vehicle houses the power generating unit at the bottom of car, which requires a special chassis. By standardizing the undercarriage, Honda can keep down expenses for the different green vehicles and raise cost competitiveness.”

Like in the case of Toyota, Honda will begin ramping up production of FCVs using small scale facilities – the Automobile R&D Center run by subsidiary Honda R&D. Production to be continued from 2018 in Sayama Plant near Tokyo.

But let’s look at those numbers – initially 400 FCVs annually and 1,500 in 2020! That’s 20 times less than Toyota’s expectations for 2020 at 30,000.

At the same time Honda would like to reach 35,000 electric and plug-in hybrid sales annually. Those aren’t not high numbers, but the difference compared to Honda’s hydrogen fuel cell cars is shocking.

Source: Nikkei, Autoblog

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Wakes up when Honda actually make a serious pluging, would you?

If you are yawning, you are already awake.

No, it means I’m falling asleep, my brain starving for oxygen (too much carbon dioxide) :p

If nothing else, sharing a chassis between FCEV/PHEV/EV will result in three mediocre performing vehicles.


Honda and Toyota seem to have their own reality distortion field.
The only way any emission free vehicle is going to have an impact is if it’s sold in massive volume. (Yes we know that FCEV aren’t really clean, but regardless it won’t matter with those numbers)

I’m no fan of FCEVs, but I am actually am really digging the styling of this. The beltline seems to be referencing the old Citroen XM – which was beautiful in its own way.

I find FWD cars with long front overhang rather disproportionate and repulsive, not to mention impractical when handling any sort of driveway topography.

Funny. Looks a lot like my ’89 Toyota Camry, which looks a lot like this video, except add rust:

Covering the rear wheels (even partially) improves aerodynamics but it always ends up looking a little dorky.

Someone needs to figure out how to make it look good.

So, exactly what Daimler / Mercedes Benz did 10 years ago with the B-Class?

Their fuel cell variant? I think they realized that Fuel cells were not a good technology path.

This move makes sense–none of these variants require much space up front, and smaller components can fit under the midsection.

The production count is low, but all manufacturing of new product lines start out that way. Over time the process is optimized.

At first I thought that the story was that Honda intended to build plug-in FCVs. If equipped with a decent-sized battery (like the Volt’s 53-mile battery), this actually might make some sense. That would at least reduce the need for expensive hydrogen stations to those facilitating long distance travel. Not that FCVs would make sense even then, just that this would reduce the irrationality quite a bit.

By 95% according to Volt owners. Or 20 times more practical.

They chose the wrong kind of fuel cell for that, it would make more sense to use the direct bioethanol fuel cell, at least bioethanol is easy to store and doesn’t come from fossil fuels but renewable plant materials.
Otherwise if that doesn’t work they can go the BMW i3 way with a combustion engine rex but a better one than the crank and shaft system. Toyota has a super efficient direct piston engine and it is a real puzzel why they don’t use it as a rex in an i3 type configuration. That is way more straight forward than hydrogen fool cells.

I used to think that, but then after seeing the reality of FCV construction, I realized that an FCV with a “decent sized battery” would not have any room for passengers. FCV hydrogen fuel tanks take up a lot of volume. No room for a Volt-sized battery. Take a look at the guts of a Mirai, if you dare.

They have the right idea, make an EV and a fuel cell range extended EV. Reform liquid hydrocarbon fuel to make hydrogen on the car and make the fuel from biomass such as grain stalks.

Well, Turning those FCEVs into PHEVs would be a good way to make lemonade out of a lemon. Just be sure to put in a big battery like the Volt instead of the sad under batteried Euro PHEVs.

it’s so ungly ,sure spend 60 grand on a car i can’t fuel.ten grand more get a tesla

This ~1,000/year FCV will fill the large market void left by the withdrawal of the Honda Civic GX CNG where they stated the “lack of a CNG fueling infrastructure in the United States as the main reason for the decision to stop producing the Civic CNG.” At least there’s no risk of something like that happening this time.

Oh, wait.

In fairness to Honda, this looks much more like the sort of big luxury sedan that could justify such a high price than the Toyota does. It’s a shame Honda is only producing it in compliance-car numbers.

Toyota will sell more of the Mirai FCV, but I don’t think Honda will go to such alternative technology.

If Honda is interested in selling alternative fuel vehicles, then they can start by selling Fit Hybrid here in USA.