UPDATE VIDEO: Chevy Camaro eCOPO Blows Away Tesla Model S P100D

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OCT 30 2018 BY WADE MALONE 216

The eCOPO Chevy Camaro concept will be on view at the SEMA Show in Las Vegas

In celebration of 50 years of the original COPO Chevrolet Camaro production race car, the carmaker has announced an electric concept version of the car with over 700 horsepower and 600 lb-ft of torque.

***UPDATE: Video of reveal added below.

The Detroit automaker, best known around the EV community for the Chevy Volt and Bolt EV, is dipping their toes (at least as a concept) into the electric sports car with the eCOPO announcement. The car is expected to have a 9 second quarter-mile time although testing is still in process.

If this is achieved it would blow away the quarter-mile time of the Tesla P100D and perform nearly as well as the upcoming Tesla Roadster. But not quite.

We have seen plenty of conversions of Chevrolet Camaros and even more powerful Chevy’s such as the pricey Corvette Genovation GXE. Now that we have an electric Camaro concept from Chevy itself, we hope this is a peek at the automaker’s future product portfolio.

We have been teased over the years by electric concepts that never made it to market. However, we did spot a decidedly Camaro shaped vehicle when GM announced 20 production EVs around this time last year. Perhaps there is hope that this one enters production.

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The full press release is below:

eCOPO Camaro Race Car Concept Electrifies Drag Racing

LAS VEGAS — Fifty years after the original COPO Camaro special-order performance models were introduced, Chevrolet’s eCOPO Camaro Concept demonstrates an electrified vision for drag racing.

Developed by General Motors and built in partnership with the pioneering electric drag racing team Hancock and Lane Racing, the concept race car — based on the 2019 COPO Camaro — is entirely electric-powered, driven by an electric motor providing the equivalent of more than 700 horsepower and 600 lb.-ft. of torque.

Chevrolet estimates quarter-mile times in the 9-second range. Testing is ongoing.

“The eCOPO Concept is all about where we go in the future with electrification in the high-performance space,” said Russ O’Blenes, director, performance variants, parts and motorsports at General Motors. “The original COPO Camaro program was all about pushing the envelope and this concept is an exploration with the very same spirit.”

Chevrolet partnered with Hancock and Lane Racing not only for the team’s success in NHRA drag racing, but its involvement with Patrick McCue, the driving force behind the record-holding “Shock and Awe” electric drag racing car, and his Seattle-area Bothell High School automotive technology program. More than a dozen students participated in the development and assembly of the electrified drag car, with the racing team’s assistance.

“This project exemplifies Chevrolet and General Motors’ commitment to engaging young minds in STEM (science, technology, engineering and math) education,” said O’Blenes. “It also represents our goal of a world with zero emissions, with the next-generation of engineers and scientists who will help us get there.”

800 volts

Just as the original 1969 COPO Camaro models relied on creative engineering to make them successful in Stock Eliminator drag racing, the eCOPO breaks new ground with its unique motor and GM’s first 800-volt battery back.

The electric motor is based on a pair of BorgWarner HVH 250-150 motor assemblies, each generating 300 lb.-ft. of torque, and replaces the gas engine. It is connected to a conventional, racing-prepared “Turbo 400” automatic transmission, which channels the motor’s torque to the same solid rear axle used in the production COPO Camaro race cars.

The all-new 800-volt battery pack enables a more efficient power transfer to the electric motor, while also supporting faster recharging, which is important for the limited time between elimination rounds in drag racing.

“Eight-hundred volts is more than twice the voltage of the battery packs in the production Chevrolet Volt and Bolt EV, so the eCOPO pushes into new technological territory,” says O’Blenes. “As GM advances its electrification leadership, a big step might just come from the drag strip.”

The battery pack is composed of four 200-volt modules, each weighing approximately 175 pounds, mounted strategically in the car for optimal weight distribution. Two are located in the rear seat area and the other two are in the trunk: one in the spare tire well and the other in the area over the rear axle.

A full Battery Management System monitors all critical voltages and temperatures within the pack. It ties into a comprehensive safety system that continuously evaluates all vehicle electrical components for proper function and safe operation. The batteries in the rear compartment are sealed off from the interior and an integrated driveshaft tunnel has been added between the modules for increased protection. Additionally, the roll cage in the trunk area has been expanded to provide additional protection for the rear-mounted modules.

With the modules’ strategic positions, the eCOPO Camaro has greater than a 56-percent rear-weight bias, which helps launch the car more efficiently.

Electric crate motors

The eCOPO Camaro Concept expands Chevrolet and General Motors’ electrification development and supports future product development. It also suggests a potential new avenue for Chevrolet’s crate engine and performance parts portfolio.

The eCOPO Camaro’s electric motor has the same bell house mounting pattern and crankshaft flange as the popular LS-family engines in Chevrolet’s crate engine portfolio. That allows it to bolt up to just about any General Motors transmission. In fact, the transmission, driveshaft and other drivetrain components remain in the same locations as in a gasoline-powered COPO Camaro race car, meaning the electric motor simply bolts into the engine compartment, in place of the gas engine.

“The possibilities are intriguing and suggest a whole new world for racers,” said O’Blenes. “Chevrolet pioneered the concept of the high-performance crate engine right around the time the original COPO Camaro models were created, and the eCOPO project points to a future that could include electric crate motors for racing, or even your street rod. We’re not there yet, but it’s something we’re exploring.”

In the meantime, Chevrolet and Hancock and Lane Racing will continue to develop the eCOPO Camaro and test it on the drag strip, seeking quicker elapsed times with all-new technology.

The eCOPO Concept, shown in Electric Blue, joins the 50th anniversary 2019 COPO Camaro production race car and approximately two dozen additional Chevrolet concepts and show vehicles at the SEMA Show, in Las Vegas, through Nov. 2.

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216 Comments on "UPDATE VIDEO: Chevy Camaro eCOPO Blows Away Tesla Model S P100D"

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Steve

The Tesla Roadster (which I guess is also a concept) has a quarter mile time of 8.8 seconds… and it’s a four-seater.

mzs112000

The Roadster is not a concept, Tesla is already bulding the tooling and intends to take it to mass production soon.

Sammy

Mass Production? Hardly. Volume production more likely. Tesla need to keep the numbers limited in order to justify the high price. Besides how many hundred thousand people can afford $200K for a car?

antrik

The price is not high for what it will (supposedly) offer. I very much doubt they will artificially limit the volumes.

(Whether a couple thousand a year qualifies as mass production is arguable, I guess…)

Robert Weekley

Well, with an Official Count of 186,000 Millionaires (Not Counting any Real Estate Values), in Toronto, Ontario, Alone, so, no shortage of buyers!

BoltEV (was SparkEV)

Canadian millionaires? I’m fuzzy on conversion rate, is that like $186K in USD? 😉

Dan F.

No, that’s the speed of light in a vacuum.

Brian

Only if you’re using Imperial units. And who does that?

Al D

Drug cartel big shots in the U.S. will love ’em.

Windbourne

They will.
In fact, Drug cartel big shots every where will love ’em.
So, will other millionaires/billionaires.
After all, a number of drug cartels own Boeing 737s, private jets, viking/Hatteras/even small subs, McClarins, Rolls, Bently, etc, etc, etc,

Yes, Drug Cartel ppl will love em, just like others will.
Surprised?
I mean what did you expect. That Cartel big shots would drive ford focus?

Paul Smith

Certainly not a Bolt or a Spark EV.

pjwood1

Drug deals be like Fast & Quiet

scott

I think one would have to be atleast a multi-millionaire to afford a Roadster. Unless they were stupid with their money. Which in that case they wouldn’t be a millionaire for long.

Allan

It’s 10 percent the price of some of its competition. I wouldn’t say multi-millionaire, just upper middle class.

Pushmi-Pullyu

I wish someone could explain how making hundreds or thousands of one model of car on an assembly line does not qualify as “mass production”. I don’t get it.

To me, “volume production” is exactly what the next-gen Roadster will not be, but it will be mass produced.

mzs112000

Seeing as the Roadster costs only 1/3rd as much as it’s closest competitors, and those hypercars/supercars combined sell several tens of thousands per year, demand is not the issue. Even if Tesla produced 200 of them per week, they probably would still not meet demand.

antrik

They are already building the tooling? Really? My understanding was that it’s a low-priority project, that won’t see serious investment until at least Semi and Model Y are done…

Pushmi-Pullyu

Yeah, if Tesla is building the tooling for the next-gen Roadster, then they’re being awfully secretive about it!

mzs112000

In the 2017 announcement they said it would heavily draw from Model 3 parts(motor/drive units, battery cells/modules, and AFAIK also frame/chassis parts). And the tooling has already been built for Model 3, so on at least some level there is some overlap between Model 3 tooling and Roadster tooling.

eject

Day drinking again?

Kdawg

The Gen2 Roadster is a 4-seater? Not from the pics I see.

Daniel

It’s a 2+2

Will

I’m siting back there

bro1999

I hope you are under 5′ then

Kdawg

There’s seats behind this guy?comment image

Paul Smith

Yes.

Kdawg

Yikes. What is this? Back seats for ants?comment image

bjrosen

So what. This makes more sense than the roadster. It’s a one off research vehicle that’s going to be used for drag racing, and drag racing only. 99% of Roadster buyers are never going to take their car near a track so they will have a car that’s carrying around an extra 3/4 of a ton of batteries that they will never use because you can’t go 200MPH on a public road without going to prison, a 0-60 in 1.9 seconds that you wouldn’t dare try on a public road, and a 600 mile range when nobody needs more than 350 or 400 miles.

MaartenV NL

A 600 miles EPA range is about 300 miles Autobahn.
On a road-trip charging only from 10% to 80% (or less) that leaves 210 miles realistically.

In the USA highway driving will be a bit less high-speed, but when you are planning a road trip with multiple legs per day, use half the EPA range per leg.

Pushmi-Pullyu

A four seater? Not really; it’s a 2+2 seater. You won’t be able to get two full-sized adults in the back any more than you can in the back seat of an MG sports car.

Paul Smith

It’s easy to get 4 adults in an MG sports car. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PydLyinyazE

Dan F.

Or perhaps more to the point, in the back seat of a Porsche 911, which in its highest end versions could be seen as a Tesla roadster competitor

Ken

What a shock! A purpose built drag racer theoretically can beat a large family sedan in a drag race. Imagine if it was built to actually take full advantage of electric motors.

Dima

So, why are commentators oftentimes threatened by anything which might beat Tesla (which is a commercial brand, not a religion)?

If Chevy make a fast EV, this is good for EVs, and it will result in a lot of cool YouTube videos promoting EVs.

Goaterguy

That’s the first thing I thought of when reading the article, “this can only be good for EVs bringing all this attention. There are always going to be haters…

Lee Ramer

Don’t forget the political tribalism as well.
Putting that aside, the reason why GM is laughed at is because of the joke they have become due to their effort at trying to kill EV’s and Tesla. They thought putting out the Bolt a year or so earlier would kill the desire for the Model E. They now show a beefed up EV Camaro and pronounce ‘Hey look we can beat the Model P100D’ as if they are somehow superior. So, Tesla fanboys are not threatened much by a loser/ignition people killer of a company like GM, or a cheating/exhaust pollutant people killer like VW. They just know a legitimate for the people company that truly is trying to do something good and is not in the pocket of the oil companies.

trar

…because the entire premise of this article is “Chevy is going to beat Tesla”. So why wouldn’t Tesla enthusiasts be encouraged to retort?

Pushmi-Pullyu

It’s a concept car. Speaking as a Tesla fan, I don’t feel “threatened” because someone built an EV concept car that can outperform a Tesla production car. I’m sure that Tesla could do better, if they wanted to bother. In fact, let’s put this Camero up against the prototype next-gen Tesla Roadster…

I think the 800 volt design is interesting. Will Tesla go down that path? That is a subject which I think is worthy of discussion. Far more than yet another headline presenting a concept EV (or even a concept for an EV) as a “Tesla killer”. Last I saw, Tesla was looking healthier than ever and growing strong. 🙂

Konstantin Kostakiev

I don’t think he’s threatened, but Tesla fans usually do take issue with journalists using Tesla for click bait. Look at the title: “Chevy Camaro eCOPO Blows Away Tesla Model S P100D”, and in the actual article it says it is expected to do 9 seconds but it’s still being tested…lol… So it hasn’t…and when you click on an article with a name like that you pretty much expect to see a video of that happening. It’s great for EV’s, but ya if a P100 is tuned just to do a quarter mile it would probably also do 9 seconds. And ya if GM is pursuing making more EV models that’s fantastic. But ya man fix the title. Tesla Killer!!!! Lol

Chris5168

+1 Konstantin Kostakiev.

Every major manufacturers seem to always compare their widget to Tesla but at the end of the day they fail to deliver or are vaporware to begin with. It used to be Tesla ‘who?’, now it’s Tesla benchmarking.

Keep going and appreciate your efforts writers and OEMs, but stop attempting to bring Tesla comparisons too early, it’s getting embarrassing for you.

Billy Gomes

I love that the Model S P100D is the BEV benchmark to beat, and even happier that Detroit is finally trying to compete in the BEV space, more than just the Bolt and Volt which don’t get me wrong, they are good but hardly mass market and more niche than what they could have done. I think this new model is a good move.

JJG

It’s specifically stated in the title and he’s pointing out the obvious.

MikeM

And furthermore, my Gulfstream G500 blows away your Cessna, etc. etc. etc. —- Yawn!

jamcl3

And there was that Airstream that got blown away in a strong wind…

CPO

This is a one off conversion built specifically for one reason. There nothing threatening about about it.

Jean-Pierre White

If it happens it will be great. It’s somewhat disingenious to compare a concept to a production vehicle from a different vehicle class. That’s where the reaction is coming from.

Dan F.

Yea, what happens if you deploy the parachute (see rear end view) on a public road. Is this Camaro (which is only a concept car) even meant to be road legal???

Brian

I would be ok with one of these in my driveway. It would absolutely destroy my neighbor’s Challenger. The electric sports car needs to arrive already!

Mark.ca

“The electric sports car needs to arrive already!”
I don’t know about that. If the S can do low 2s what the hell should we expect from the ev sports? I’m too scared to think about it.

Brian

The S is a large sedan, not a sports car. I want a two-door coupe, preferably light-weighted. Either a 2-seater or a 2+2. A sports car is more than just specs.

Heck, I would be satisfied with Bolt-like performance in a sports car package, so long as it was affordable. 200HP in a RWD coupe with 200+ miles of range for $40k? Yes please!

amt

I agree with Brian, Don’t Necessarily Need a Thousand Hp to be a Sports Car as long as it’s “Fun To Drive “

Peter

Might be a few years before there is an electric that is light weight? Batteries and all that? lol

Brian

Yup. Physics is a real pain sometimes. But you could trade-off range (energy density) for power (power density). Look at how many conversions use Volt batteries with a Tesla motor.

mzs112000

Yep, there are LiPo cells that will do 30C discharge, but sadly energy density and cycle-life is lacking…

Bob

While not in a sports car package – there exists a carbon fiber and aluminum frame car with rear wheeled drive and rear mounted motor & engine, 170hp…not 200….but the car is pretty light to begin with and a nicely equipped in great condition example can be had for under 20K used or under 23K used that can do over 200 miles of range….the BMW i3 REx

Brian

The BMW i3 is a nice package. As a mega-city car, it excels. I hear it even has typical BMW feel for the driver. I’m still looking for something quite a bit lower to the ground myself. Something that connects the driver to the road, not something that leaves you feeling like you’re sitting on a bar stool like an i3.

Brian

I’m not sure why my first reply got moderated away.

Yes, the i3 is very nice. And it drives like a BMW should. But what I really want is the sports car package. Low to the ground. and a B-pillar far enough back that my elbow isn’t pushed forward when I rest my arm out the window.

Dante

The i3 does NOT have 200 miles of electric range and the tiny range extender engine is not sporty… Besides, the Model 3 handles better and is cheaper new.

https://youtu.be/LVX2eYIlmII

Dante

Those specs are terribly modest and yet still expensive. It’s like you’re saying you want the car to be too small for four adults no matter what, but why?

Paul Smith
Jerry

I totally agree, we need something in the affordable sports car segment, but it probably won’t happen until all the soccer mom SUVs have saturated the market.

David Cary

All you have to see is how many Miata’s get sold vs. minivans, SUVs etc.
There is little volume market for an affordable sports car. Usually when you want affordable, you also want practical. When you have cash to burn and have multiple cars, that is when a sports car makes sense.
So don’t hold your breath…

wavelet

It already has… Just look at Rimac.

antrik

With ten units built, one might argue that these aren’t much more than concepts 🙂 (In fact they have “concept” in their names…)

Brian

Rimac builds “hypercars”. These are playthings for the rich and famous. The electric version of a Lamborghini. That’s great. I’m glad they make them. But that’s not the market I’m in. The Camaro is a much more mainstream car. Give me an electric Camaro, Miata, or similar. That’s what I want.

amt

Tesla Roadster is Great & Does it All ! Cheaply ..Those $Million$ Cars Are Built For The “Look At ME” Center Shot People . I wouldn’t Get Caught Dead In one of those Goofy Looking Show 0ff Cars.. I Made that Mistake When I Younger & Foolish …Never Again.

Brian

The new Tesla Roadster (which is not a roadster, which bothers me) is an incredible car. But it hardly does it “Cheaply”. You are kidding yourself if you think $200k+ is cheap. Maybe compared to a Rimac. That’s still supercar / hypercar territory though.

Richard

@Brian….So you would buy one for cachet and curb appeal only?

mzs112000

I just wonder when/if the electric crate motors will go on sale…. If they come with batteries(or Chevy sells batteries as well), it could be a boon for conversions, since the motors will bolt up(no pun intended) to almost any Chevy transmission. I would like to see a 1964 Impala converted, and also lets convert some Tahoe’s and Suburban’s as well(that would help remove the biggest polluters)

liuping

Would the normal Chevy transmission be able to handle the instant torque of an electric motor?

yo

Not from a prrformance electric motor but should fo fine with a Leaf type motor…
But you also don’t want a transmission with a electric motor just a differncial…

antrik

Most conversions I have seen so far leave the original transmission in place… Including the concept in this article.

mzs112000

They leave the original transmissions in place because it is far simpler to do that… And most people don’t use Tesla or Leaf motors, they are using HPEVS motors that only go to 6500RPM, and Warp DC motors that only go to 5500RPM… In that case, you need at least 2 speeds if you want to go more than 65MPH.

Joe Martin

Transmissions improve performance, that’s why electric race cars have them. They may not be necessary for excellent performance, they may not be worth the efficiency hit, and the added manufacturing cost may not be worth it; but there is no doubt that allowing the motor to stay in it’s power band will improve performance .

Brian

That’s old thinking. ICE engines have a narrow powerband. Electric Motors have a large, flat powerband. I bet they used the transmission because it was a conversion and the transmission was already there.

Do Not Read Between The Lines

Converters have to work with the physical limitations of the car. Matching the power to the transmission is a natural limitation. But, the conversions doesn’t have to use all the gears, especially 1st gear.

Joe Martin

Look at a Model 3 or Model S dyno curve, the torque curve is flat until higher RPM but the powerband isn’t (because it’s proportional to torque multiplied by RPM). That’s why the Model S P100D often has a lower trap speed in the quarter mile than ICE cars with similar power to weight ratios. Again, a transmission may not be worth the costs (efficiency, money, reliability), but there is zero doubt that it improves performance. Answer me this: if transmissions in electric cars aren’t necessary then why are Formula E cars running 3-4 speed transmissions? Why would they carry around an extra 90 pounds that could break if it offered no benefit?

Prad Bitt

Transmissions in the Roadster 1 were breaking all the time because of the instant torque. What is needed for EVs is a 2 speed transmission that will last years on normal (and abusive) usage.
It would be necessary at higher speed only : to beat the quarter mile, and for improved range/efficiency on highways with no speed limits.

theflew

I think that had more to do with Tesla’s knowledge of tranmissions than the ability of a transmission to work in that application.

Pushmi-Pullyu

Then why is it that no production BEV has a multi-speed transmission?

It’s not just Tesla.

David Cary

Well – wait a sec. No production BEV even tries to have high performance except Tesla.
Transmissions certainly could help at track speeds. But as stated, probably not worth it in most circumstances.

Djoni

Not all Formula E cars are using multi speed transmission.

Set-up vary, and if I remember correctly, some team use straight reduction gear, some have twin motors config and some have 2-3-4-5 speed transmission.

To each is own!

Pushmi-Pullyu

“…if transmissions in electric cars aren’t necessary then why are Formula E cars running 3-4 speed transmissions?”

Maybe because EV race car engineering is still in its early stages?

Here’s a question for you: Why is the number of gears in the average Formula E car getting lower every year, if multi-gear transmissions are such a great thing for EV racers?

ModernMarvelFan

Formula E has a top speed of 140mph.

That is why you probably can get away with an ultra wide band motor but losing efficiency at the high end of the speed spectrum.

If you want high top speed, then having at least 1 more gear would help with that.

theflew

They have flat powerbands but their efficiency suffers at the bottom or top end depending on how they are tuned. A simple 2 speed transmission would do wonders for most EV’s. There’s a reason why Tesla uses two motors in their performance cars tuned differently. That works great when the cost of your car can support the added cost of having a second motor (controllers, inverters, cooling, etc…). In a lower end EV say $20k it would allow you to use a motor that by itself might not have a huge powerband but mated to a 2-4 speed transmission to make it more than exceptable.

Dan F.

I believe the Tesla roadster (new one) will have a two speed transmission to allow super acceleration and a very high top speed (200+).

Pushmi-Pullyu

“Transmissions improve performance, that’s why electric race cars have them.”

Hmmm, I’m not so sure. The trend in Formula E has been toward fewer and fewer gears. Now, maybe they won’t eventually get down to just one… but maybe they will, too.

For example, the Wrightspeed X1 electric racer has a transmission, inherited from drivetrain of the ICEV it was modified from, but that transmission was stripped down and locked into a single gear.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wrightspeed_X1

Neromanceres

The hookup for this is for GM LS motors which is their small block V8 engines. A number of those transmissions should be able to handle the high torque. GM also sells crate high torque transmissions. I would love to build an electric Tahoe. This could also be used to make an electric pickup truck.

amt

An Un-needed Automatic Transmission In An EV Makes No Sense at ALL ! Just Extra Parts To Break.

yo

The crate motors should come with a battery and the whole charging and inverter systems…
I think their would be a market for it even at the Bolt performance level…
One day…
Probably far away 🙁

antrik

I have doubts Chevy will sell conversion kits… They’d like you to buy new cars instead.

Victor Reynolds

im hoping they sell it! if they do, my turbo s14 will be converted to an EV ASAP!

Joel B

I find it interesting they went with a standard transmission. The idea of a motor assembly that has the same bell housing bolt pattern is interesting, but I question how often using an actual transmission would be required.

Roy_H

This is a disappointing low tech conversion. I am amazed it works as well as it does. Utilizing the same automatic transmission drivetrain is just dead weight. Should be 4 wheel drive with motors close to wheels. Sounds like it has to be recharged for each race.

amt

It’s All Low Tech Smoke & Mirrors . 🙁

antrik

Many conversions do surprisingly well — except on range. With limited efficiency, and no dedicated place for batteries, they are seriously compromised on this score. (Unless they are based on a four-seater with the back seats replaced by batteries…)

theflew

It might be dead weight but think of the cost and complexity you added by including 4 motors (inverters, controllers, coolant). And it still will not make the motors more efficient at high RPM.

phEVfan

That was my take as well. They used the existing transmission/drive train which left them at 2WD. If you’re gonna make a competitive dragster, you need AWD nowadays. This thing could scream if it drove all 4 wheels.

Tom Harrison

The second image seems to be showing a tire burnout at a drag race. In the Tesla Racing Channel on YouTube the driver of a P100D carefully avoids water pit and relies on brilliant traction control.

Victor Reynolds

the burn out before a drag race is to warm up the tires for grip. Traction control lowers power to make sure the wheels dont slip…but you dont want lower power in a drag race (even for a fraction of a second)

If you are able to have full grip all the time, that means you can put down all the power from start to finish. A tenth of a second of power loss (for traction control) may be the difference between a win and a loss.

Kraton

I can tell you’re not very familiar with drag racing… If you are not relying on AWD to launch from the start, then a burnout to heat the tires and improve grip is absolutely recommended (assuming you have a tire compound that is capable of holding enough heat to make it worth while, ie: Drag Slicks/Radials). AWD cars rarely have the capability to spin all 4 tires, at least not enough to heat them effectively. So if you Don’t have the capability to do a proper burnout, then avoiding the water is the best option. Why do you think the 10,000hp Top Fuel Rails use burnouts before every single race?

The reality is that the Tesla could benefit from a burnout too If it had the option to disengage the front wheels for a rwd burnout. Launch control is a psuedo solution to not having enough traction for your power level. As Victor said, It decreases power so you don’t spin the wheels and lose grip. So if traction loss is an issue, why not increase traction instead of decreasing power?

Willie

This is a parody?

800 volts huh? I’ve often wondered why manufacturers are sticking with battery packs in the 300-400 volt range. I mean, theoretically higher voltage is more efficient and allows for smaller wires and less heat generation. But I’m sure there’s some physics reasons why they have stuck with the voltages they’re using now. So can anyone enlighten me as to how that works?

Neromanceres

It has to do with vehicle charging. CCS1 was limited to 500VDC max. CCS2 can do up to 1000VDC max. Note the 800VDC is likely a nominal pack voltage so a battery like this would likely see charge voltages as high as 900VDC.

antrik

That wouldn’t explain why Tesla is sticking with 350 V…

What’s more, the 800 V Taycan can supposedly charge from 400 V stations.

Andy

Are they using multiple battery modules like this one? If so they may have a system that switches between modules when charging at lower voltages, rather than all at once.

Roy_H

Back when the early Model S was designed, switching transistors that could handle an 800V pack were rare and expensive. 400V was more or less industry standard. AFAICT all Superchargers are fixed voltage (this based on the fact that it is expensive to build a charger capable of varying voltage and Tesla Superchargers are cheap). Tesla needs to move up to 800V for the Semi and new Roadster, but the main problem is building all new Superchargers to go with them. I wouldn’t be surprised if the existing ones will remain but new ones capable of putting out only 2 fixed voltages (400V & 800V) will start appearing someday.

Neromanceres

Yes the Taycan has interconnects to treat it’s battery pack as two 400V packs in parallel to charge on lower voltage DC fast charger. I suspect going forward this will be the new normal for battery pack design.

Pushmi-Pullyu

I’m no electrical engineer, but from what I’ve read, above ~600 volts you start getting problems with the current jumping spark gaps. Of course high voltage systems are (obviously) possible, but the engineering required is perhaps more difficult and/or expensive.

That said, my guess is that much or most of the EV industry will move to higher voltage within the next few years, to make shorter charging times easier to engineer, and cheaper to build by using smaller diameter cables. 800v might become the industry standard.

If I recall correctly, the Tesla Semi Truck charges at 800 volts.

mzs112000

I thought the Semi charger cable was just 4 Supercharger cables, but with the DC pins connected in parallel? Of course, it’s possible that it’s just because Semi is still in the prototype phase and they needed a quick way to charge it without having to deploy a bunch of new equipment.

antrik

Things I have seen brought up in other discussions include need for better isolation, and (probably more significantly) more expensive power electronics. I guess there might also be additional safety considerations?

Do Not Read Between The Lines

Same reason why car systems work off 12V, rather than 48V.
It’s cheaper and easier.

But they’re working on higher voltage. Higher voltage allows for faster charging and high performance.
Low end will be 300V-400V.
High end will be 800V.
Then, hopefully, the high end will gradually move lower.

Timothy Hughbanks

Pedant alert:

“…we hope this is a future peak at the automakers future product portfolio.”

You meant “…a peek at the automaker’s future product portfolio.”

James Jordan

It’ll be a disaster and go up in evapor

Jimi seko

Bitchin’ Camaro! I believe the legacy auto companies who will be most effective at competing with Tesla are companies who have CEOs with an engineering background. Mary Barra is an electrical engineer.

Neromanceres

Yup the engineers are now in charge at GM. GM used to be run by finance and accounting types. It nice to see the engineers back in charge.

ModernMarvelFan
Actually most German and Japanese automaker CEOs are often engineers by training. Mecedez Benz CEO has a ME degree. Porsche CEO has a ME degree. VW CEO (current) has a ME degree. (Former CEO indicted had a Computer Engineering degree and worked in IT management as first job. So, maybe that is telling why VW cheated on “software”). =) BMW CEO has an Industrial Engineering degree. GM CEO has an Electrical Engineering degree. Honda CEO has an engineering degree (started as chassis engineer) Hyundai CEO has an Industrial Engineering degree. Toyota CEO has a finance degree. FCA CEO had “engineering training” but started his career in dealerships as a car salesman. (speaks volume there) Ford CEO has NO ENGINEERING DEGREE, was a former Football player with a finance degree. Nissan chairman Ghosn had “engineering background”, Current Nissan CEO Hiroto has an economic degree. Tesla CEO has degree in physics and economics but also works on Rockets and write Software (okay a coder ). =) So, as you can see, the path of company future road map sort reflects the CEO leadership and background. The big question is really when will Toyota and Ford turn around? That is two of the… Read more »
robus

Who gives a s&%*? Make a real car that people can buy!

yo

You people kill me…
No concept BEVs equals no production BEVs…
Concept BEVs mean they are slowly turning in the right direction…
And huge companies turn slowly…

robus

I think my main complaint is the gap between the headline and the article. The headline promised something the article didn’t deliver.

Casualsurfer

And it’ll have a range of…80 miles?

I doubt it. In order to have enough amps for that sort of horsepower, it would need to be a big battery.

antrik

No, it just needs a high-power battery. Probably uses PHEV cells, or even special drag racing cells. (Yes, these do exist.)

Foxtrot

…erm, no, they don’t. High power cells exist, but they’re not developed as “special drag racing cells”

Pushmi-Pullyu

Thank you for clarifying that.

westcoaster

that’s like a couple hundred 1000′ runs (and back)!!

antrik

At constant speed, yes. Actual races take a lot more energy.

(Still should be good for some two dozen runs or so…)

Prsnep

Where did you get your made-up number?

mzs112000

According to the press release, it has 4 modules, each weighs in at 175lb’s…. So the total weight of the battery is 700lb’s. Assuming the same 11.9lb/kWh as the LG Chem batteries in the Bolt EV, this works out to a capacity of 58.8kWh…. So, in normal driving it should have a driving range of close to 200 miles(it’s not designed with aero in mind). Also, 58.8kWh is very close to the Bolt EV’s usable range, I would not be surprised if this is just a normal Bolt battery reconfigured for higher voltage.

Noah P Godwin

Well of course your imaginary car beats the Tesla.

Neromanceres

This car actually does exist.

antrik

Hasn’t been tested yet though, to confirm that it actually achieves the promised specs…

Neromanceres

Oh it’s been tested just not yet in public.

bro1999

Imaginary car? See: $35k Model 3.

G2

The car is real, but the price isn’t…yet.

westcoaster

YES, yes, yes!! Bring it on Chevy!! Awesome that they’re even talking about this… future looks electrifying!!!

Martin

What’s the point of the grill on the front of the car? Does it have an engine?

Do Not Read Between The Lines

The grille is there, as always, because of branding, and because a long time ago manufacturers used to have problems cooling their engines.

Pushmi-Pullyu

And now they have problems cooling the battery pack, when a car is run at high speed on a race track. Not saying the grille on this car is practical… but it could be.

DOA

And they don’t want to make all their ICE cars sitting at dealers to look outdated.

Speculawyer

That is not a reason for it to STILL be there.

ModernMarvelFan

electric motors, inverters, battery and climate control all need cooling.

BEVfan

GM should better focus on bringing the next Bolt to market.

bro1999

The 800 volt battery is the biggest takeaway from this e-Camaro announcement. I bet you the e-Camaro battery tech is a guinea pig for future GM BEVs.

Brian

Excellent point, bro. Plus an 800V battery can charge twice as fast with the same current, just like Porche is doing.

Mark.ca

Sure looks like more that just a show off project.

Pushmi-Pullyu

Yes, I also find that the most interesting thing. It’s worthy of discussion to think that GM, as well as other EV manufacturers, might be seriously considering moving to 800v EV powertrains.

theflew

Luckily GM has more than one employee so they can do several things at a time. Things like this help them with research.

andi_nan

I absolutely like that! Even the crazy cars built by crazy petrolheads are EVs.

Rick

wow… they had to make a stripped racer with special tyres to beat a 2.2 ton full size sedan… well done gm… they didn’t even build the electric drivetrain themselves. gm’s insecurity is so obvious, they’ve never in their entire history made a car as good as the Model S, they’re so bitter about it…

antrik

As far as I can tell, they never claimed or even hinted they are trying to beat the Model S… That’s just a clickbait title from InsideEVs.

ModernMarvelFan

The insecurities are all from the Tesla fanbois. They have to come on and bash the Electric racer.

The so called “beating” is only suggested by inside EVs to get all Tesla fanbois all worked up to increase the comment count.

JS

Looks like a great car, kudos Chevy. That said, I love it when the media compares a concept car that may or may not be coming out years for now with a production car which Tesla has had on the market for years. Like Tesla doesn’t innovate or change too.

Do Not Read Between The Lines

How much, how many and when?

Pushmi-Pullyu

It’s a concept car. Not intended to be more than one.

cypress

But they may the components available for people to do their own bolt-on conversions

Richard

I guess it gets tough watching your very best muscle cars that are barely road legal get blown away week in week out down at the drag strip by weekend gigglers in four door family guy saloons. How embarrassing!

Jeremy Laux

Too bad its incredibly ugly

Brian

You are in the minority thinking that the Camaro is “incredibly ugly”

bro1999

The “WTF” grille of the 2019 Camaro? I can understand if you think THAT is ugly. Luckily, GM is changing it for 2020.

http://gmauthority.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/2019-Chevrolet-Camaro-SS-Coupe-exterior-003-720×340.jpg

Mark.ca

It’s Lexus like type of grill….too big but not uglier than usual grills.

TM3x2 Chris

What’s a grill?

David Cary

So I would like to see a poll. I will join in the ugly pile – but I have thought all American muscle cars are ugly because of who they tend to associate with I suppose.

Brian

A poll would be interesting. But on this forum, it would be insanely biased. When I say that you and Jeremy are in the minority, I mean of the general car-buying public. After all, isn’t that who we want to persuade?

ModernMarvelFan

Not nearly as ugly as the Model X.

But Model S is better looking than this one.

Model 3 is a wash…

Al D

Damn, I just replaced my tires last month and they’re already bald.

Model3 Owned- Niro EV TBD -Past-500e and Spark EV,

I welcome any electrification vehicle–muscle cars included

jelloslug

So does this count as one of their new 20 EVs in 18 months GM boldly announced 12 months ago?

Brian

I sure hope so. The article includes the same picture that GM released a year ago. One of the cars in the background has a distinct Camaro-like shape.

bro1999

Doubt it, but I bet the e-Camaro is using tech that will be in those EVs.

ffbj

Maybe it will be one of the 20 electric vehicles they are coming out with within 4 years.

Boltfan

One word … or two … BAD A$$ !!

tesla pete

make it look like the the ZL1-1LE and i’m in! 🙂 would it be ZL1-1LE-e? lol

Vexar

Yay! GM reads my posts on InsideEVs! I hope it goes to production. I hope it is less expensive than the Tesla Roadster. I hope it comes in that blue, and I hope they sell 30,000 a year in the US.

Vexar

Watching the reveal, it was a one-off build for limited use, with the shut-off lever and laughably analog voltage indicator, slick tires, needle gauge, as well as the ol’ batteries stuffed everywhere technique. I feel like this is GM saying “we can beat you Tesla, if we wanted to, but we don’t care to get involved. Look at our Hot Wheels branded pick-up truck and bad-to-the-bone riff track theme music.” GM is doing this as a drag racing showpiece and not a car to be bought. Someone within the GM family will buy the eCOPA to make it an official production (only one was ever made) car, but this is for the GM history lessons, not the consumers.

The evidence that is most condemning is the announcer bleating “what you really came to see was” and then the pick-em-up truck rolls in (again, with aggressive yet tired theme music). Second to that is the vehicle revealed at the Specialty Equipment Market Association event. The eCOPA is to show-off their transmission and that’s about it.

Ron Swanson's Mustache

Good for Chevy. At least for once we’re being shown a concept car that actually exists in the real world and isn’t just a bunch of high-end 3d renders.

(⌐■_■) Trollnonymous

Meh.

What’s the price comparison/price as tested?

Pushmi-Pullyu

It’s a concept car. Engineers don’t worry about unit prices when building concept cars.

Rick

With skinny front tires, the moment you try to turn it’ll understeer and crash. What’s the point of buying a car just for going in a straight line?

cypress

It’s a drag strip car. No turns needed.

Yves Laurin

Funny in the video they say ” 800 volts”, same strategy used for electric tools and lawnmower as if a higher voltage equate highger power, no power = watts= volts*Amps (pretty sure somebody will talk about power factor, but not relevant here).

Sure higher voltage is desirable because if the voltage is higher than amp can be lower for the same power and because of the internal resistance of the battery, the loss will be lower because P=R*I*I (I can’t find the square symbol on my keyboard)

(⌐■_■) Trollnonymous

P=R*I²

ModernMarvelFan

Much harder to double the current on the existing motors, but easier to double the voltage.

Also, torque usually correspond with torque and voltage usually correlates with speed or rpm of the motor. Higher the voltage, the higher the power rating of the motor at higher rpm.

Mark.ca

I hope they make this! Imagine how pissed off the fast and furious wannabes will be when this thing silently blows past them on the freeway!

Tropicalday88

This kind of deserves a one handed clap. On one hand it shows some effort on GM’s part to demonstrate the future of… drag racing. On the other, they are comparing a purpose built drag car to a standard production 5 passenger street legal BEV with a range of 315 or 507km. And Tesla has achieve this all in house.

This would have made for a better story if Chevy had a Camaro or Corvette BEV. Even a sporty version of a Bolt. At least that would have represented something real. Nope.

Neromanceres

GM didn’t compare anything. Inside EV’s made the comparison.

eferg

A high cost, non-practical demonstration of an EV motor/battery shoved into a body based on a 50 year old style.

If this gets gear heads to start thinking about EVs then it’s a good thing, because this type of smoke show is the only thing that gets their attention.

In the meantime, while GM is playing at the drag strip, Tesla and other forward thinking automakers are working on advanced EVs for the masses.

ModernMarvelFan

Advanced EVs for the masses starts at the drag race strip to convert the gearheads one at a time…

Without all the free publicity youtube video that promoting the Tesla performance, Tesla wouldn’t be where it is today.

ModernMarvelFan

Awesome! Make it and sell it!

CPO

This is a one time conversion its nice but no way would it be produced in mass.

Neromanceres

Correct this is simply a show of technology. The big story is that GM might add this to their crate catalogue. Even for the gas COPO GM is only building 69 units this year.

CS

Stopped reading at “concept”

DOA

When the Camaro has a firm production date Tesla will change the P100D over to the new batteries. And blow the Camaro away with the P110D. Tesla does not like second place in the 0-60 race.

Neromanceres

This is not meant to be a production car. It’s simply a show of technology. The big story is that GM might add this to their crate catalogue. Even for the gas COPO GM is only building 69 units this year. Eventually when the next generation Camaro and many other cars are shown some of the technology in those cars would have evolved from this.

Nicholas

Wow, it’s “muscle” cars for smart people who believe in physics!

Lawrence

Better than to race it against the P100D.

Race it against all of those ICE models of this car, the Mustang, the Challenger, etc at the drag strip. Show them that they should start saving up to trade their cars for EV’s than dumping any more money into their ICE.

Windbourne

If GM builds this car SOON, with fast charging, we will FINALLY, have our first tesla killer.
Of course, it will be the end of ICE versions of Corvette, Camaro, Chargers, etc.
OTOH, it will help bring back sedans, muscles and pony cars.

Hopefully, GM is bright enough to bring it out by 2020.

EV Ter

Good news for earth. Get rid off those smoke monsters.

Bill Howland
Every one of these “800 Volt” discussions turns into the old geeky computer nerd conversations from decades ago , such as “My Modem is bigger than your Modem”. 800 volts makes sense when the semiconductors are available at a lower price. That is about all there is to it. The 200 volt battery packs don’t care whether they are connected as 200, 400 or 800 volts. If the inverter box can be made lower cost with the higher voltages, so be it. So far, there doesn’t seem to be much cost disadvantage at the 300-400 volt range. Much larger vehicles using 350 kw or faster charging may have the total charging cost ‘slightly’ lowered by going to 800 volts – but that number is sure getting more advertisement than it really warrants. The missing news here is that this party was 3/4 about gasoline power and 1/4 about electric. It would be much more interesting if Chevy wouldn’t do these time-wasting ‘one-off’ garage mechanic things, and come out with some models to sell to the general public. The only reason they can do this is obviously GM doesn’t have sufficient competition in the EV marketplace as of yet. Cars like… Read more »

The headline is a bit misleading since the concept hasn’t actually beat the P100D quarter mile time. it’s just what GM is hoping for. Then there is the comparing a larget 4 door family sedan against a sports coupe. The Roadster at 8.8 seconds would be the right benchmark.

James

This makes me happier than ANY car Chevy could’ve announced. They need an absurd halo EV to move the needle, not another banal grocery-getter. Bravo Chevy. Keep ‘em coming.

Speculawyer

It is 2018. Stop with your bogus EV concept cars.

And if you are going to build an EV then GET RID OF THE GRILLE. FFS, figure it out.

cypress

This was a collaboration with college students and an aftermarket company. It’s a real car and showcasing 800V technology. Pretty cool.

Clive

That’s a lot of clean horses 🐎