GM CEO Barra Acknowledges Tesla’s “Very Capable” Cars

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As GM lags behind in its launch of a new lineup of electric cars, the automaker’s CEO make a positive reference to Tesla.

It was nearly a year ago that GM announced a new commitment to electric vehicles. The automaker promised to debut “at least” 20 new EVs in the next five years. The more interesting part was that two of these new vehicles would be offered within 18 months. The announcement said:

In the next 18 months, GM will introduce two new all-electric vehicles based off learnings from the Chevrolet Bolt EV. They will be the first of at least 20 new all-electric vehicles that will launch by 2023.

Moreover, GM’s executive vice president of Product Development, Purchasing and Supply Chain Mark Reuss shared:

General Motors believes in an all-electric future. Although that future won’t happen overnight, GM is committed to driving increased usage and acceptance of electric vehicles through no-compromise solutions that meet our customers’ needs.

Since then, company CEO Mary Barra has chimed in from time to time to reiterate that the automaker is still keeping its commitment. Last week, Barra spoke at an Axios event in Boston. She specifically mentioned Tesla as having “capable electric vehicles” as she discussed GM’s upcoming expansion in the segment, as well as competitors. Barra said:

[Tesla has] very capable electric vehicles. When we look at the landscape of competition from a car company perspective, whether it’s Tesla or whether it’s some of the global [equipment manufacturers], there’s very capable competition and that’s what kind of drives us. That’s why we’ve been so aggressive on investing in technology and moving quickly.

It seems Tesla is finally proving itself, even among some legacy automakers. For years, the Silicon Valley electric automaker was seen as a small niche entrant, with little chance of huge success. Now, Tesla is producing cars at an impressive rate, reviews are mostly positive, and its hugely popular Model 3 sedan is beginning to displace a long list of best-selling vehicles in the U.S.

Source: Axios


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Keep Barrading GM and Ford on their Electric Lineups which are jokes or just to calm us down

Maybe you mean berate.
The Russian, English language school you went to, needs to work on its the spelling program.

It was word play, obviously.

Ahhh…. Berate…Barra….Parading!
> “Barrading”!

Mary Barra is the CEO of GM. Perhaps it was intentional?

“Barraging” might have been best word

Yes. No reason for downvotes if you guys know what I meant

Yes berate. No I’m not Russian. Everybody knows I’m from Ohio in here

Why I’m getting downvotes? It’s a simple question. Where’s the 19 models the advertise. I’m still waiting. Fords the same. It’s seems they piggybacking off of Tesla to get some publicity, like look we doing 19 models but haven’t increased the production of the Bolt or put a the voltect in a CUV or Fords. Like it’s 2018 Nissan and BMW at least is trying to lead legacy auto companies to catch with Tesla.

@Will, it’s an expression of someone else’s feelings, not an actual rating. If folks were limited to 10 votes a day, 8 up, two down, which vote set would get used up first? What if the ratios were reversed? When adults realize that negativity, while more powerful and memorable, doesn’t improve the world, we will be living in a better place.

That’s why InsideEVs should not give them any breath on thier suppose EVs

Thank you Prad Bitt

Most of that business-insider article is crap – its easy to see where Pushi got all his nonsense from. This article was written before the writer rode in the car, or, certainly before he got familiar with it. – So just as Pushi didn’t know what he talks about – so this writer – unfortunately, this writer got paid for it. The one place where BI is absolutely correct (without apparently knowing it), is that GM DID LIE even to its dealers and its technicians for the first 18 months of the car’s release (about the ‘GENSET’) – to try to get a HOV sticker in NY State – of all the Stupid reasons to lie. THE NYS DMV said ‘You’re not fooling anyone” – and undeniably, its a black mark on GM. But then as I’ve said many times, when you buy a GM product (within about the past 25 years) you always get this Haughty Arrogance as standard equipment with the car, ICE, BEV or PHEV. I myself had trouble with my early 2011 VOLT, in that the ridiculously ARROGANT engineering team in Detroit REFUSED to speak with me and answer my questions AFTER I SPENT $46,000 on… Read more »

“I also burned out the fuel pump – not realizing that certain normal actions will burn it out”

by running out of gas? That isn’t normal and I guess you don’t read your owner’s manual either…

More nonsense from MMF – where does it say you cannot run out of fuel? I’ve run out of gas in plain old ICE cars with absolutely no downside, and I recall NOTHING in the owner’s manual cautioning against it, nor ramifications of doing so.

MotorTrend’s musings may actually have been pretty close – as it turns out – many vehicles actually DID appear, but in small numbers, so I can’t see this as a LIE either. (As far as the GENSET issue goes with the VOLT, GM did undeniably LIE). The Cadillac Converj was basically identical to the released ELR, a car that far outsold the Tesla Roadster. Which is what I traded my Roadster in on, a great car that has been one of the best cars I’ve ever owned, and I have no intention of getting rid of it anytime soon. Too bad EV – Hater Johann DeNysschen terminated the car after only 12 months of production (9 in 2014, 3 in 2016). Sales of the CT6 phev have been going on for multiple years, and it can’t get out of its own way sales wise. But then even the Chinese realize that car is a joke, the car a Rube Goldberg – style mechanic’s nightmare. The Cadillac Escalade Hybrid was another super-complicated thing that no doubt cost a fortune to engineer, but like most engineering groups who can’t see the forest for the trees didn’t realize until they were all done… Read more »

Don’t know where the ‘moderation’ is for the motortrend comment – but the short version is that GM DID make many hybrid models during the time – but most of those were Jokes, just like the current CT6 PHEV.

More low volume models is easier then higher volumes because GM+LG combo is constrained at pack level. Still, same volume more models will mean, bigger apeal to buyers. If only we could trust this figure that is… Cause there is no way in which GM have 21 EVs by ’23 and still need to ask for lower emission standards, but they do lobby for that…

Not constrain we put a man on the moon, don’t tell me we can’t advance and mass produce batteries

“Why I’m getting downvotes?”

Because you dissed GM’s entire lineup. That includes the Volt and the Bolt EV, both of which are worthy of notice and at least some praise — especially the Volt.

Please understand that up- and down-votes are mostly reactions to tone, not informational value or thoughtfulness of comments.

I got a Volt. You know that. I’m dissing the lineup I’m dissing the company

So, why don’t you trade your Volt in for a Model 3 then? Obviously you made the wrong choice on the car.

I owned a Volt from 2013 to 2017. If GM had moved their butt and put the (very impressive!) Voltec engine in a bigger car, like a CUV/SUV, I would quite probably traded for that kind of vehicle.

But given that like almost everybody else they’re dragging their feet with electric vehicles, I traded for a model S finally.

If you can afford a Model S by trading in a Volt (which is about an upgrade from $20K after all incentives to about $70K), then you are obviously NOT the typical buyer of the cars in the Volt price range.

He’s just saying he doesn’t automatically spend his last cent on automobiles. If he likes an “S” better than a “VOLT” , more power to him.

First you criticize Will for not buying a much more expensive “3”, but then say that HR ain’t the typical buyer who did spend much more for an alternate vehicle. Slow day at work, huh?

No the Volt was only Ev at that time you could drive anywhere

Will I gave you your only positive vote. I love it when they vote 2 votes down for an objective comment.

No I love the Volt. I don’t like GM pussyfooting

So within the next 6 months, GM should be unveiling 2 new EVs based off the Bolt. Can’t wait to see what they have up their sleeve. Hopefully not just badge engineered Bolts.

Hopefully something a little wider on the inside than the Bolt. It just barely couldn’t fit our three car seats, which are some of the narrowest on the market. We ended up with a Pacifica Hybrid and while we would have liked a BEV, the room for our kids’ cousins has really come in handy and in our small city we aren’t using any gas.

I love it when a hybrid runs mostly on it’s batteries.

We had similar choice and ended up with Clarity PHEV. Miss the room from our minivan at times, but at least wide enough for 3 across.

It seems that the only thing that GM has learned from Tesla is how to keep a schedule.

Thank you for making the joke I wanted to but probably wouldn’t have.

How GM not on schedule?

See links in comment by Prad Bitt, above.

Unfortunately I think we’ve already seen them… the Baojun E200 and the Buick Velite 6. Note that the quote says “…based off learnings from the Chevrolet Bolt…”, not based on the Bolt itself.

Neither of those vehicles are based on the Bolt EV. The Buick Velite 6 is based on the Volt and The E200 is a larger E100.

I can’t find anywhere that says the 2 new EVs will be based on the Bolt EV. I can find several references around the web that say they will be based on what was learned from building the Bolt EV, but I don’t think that means they will share a common chassis, body style, etc.

Mary Barra recently talked about GM launching two EVs – Buick Velite 6 and Baojun E200, in a way that seemed like a reference to the plan made last year. So I wouldn’t count on more EVs coming in the next 6 months.

0r in the next 6 yrs!

I worry that The Velite will be remarkably equivalent to the Volt/ Cadillac CTS formula.

Dang it. ELR.

If the ELR keeps getting forgotten, that’s appropriate. GM clearly wasn’t serious about selling that car.

Thanks, Pushmi-Pullyu. I don’t understand some of the naming conventions going on. I think the Germans started it.

Spark EV and then drop the ball with Bolt production and nothing else

What is disconcerting; they haven’t said this lately, but their INITIAL statement years ago was that H2 vehicles were part of their ALL-Electric future… I worried at the time it was going to be 2 bolt ev lookalikes and 18 Hydrogen models.

I worry that one of them will be a badge engineered version of the Bolt, sold under the Buick name. Think of the Buick Encore, but electric. I’d be delighted to be wrong, though.

This would explain increased Bolt EV production too.

Yelp. It’s GM . A sheet metal somewhere

Taking what they “Have Learned” from the Bolt EV, & from “The Volt”, as well as from Tesla Tear Downs, they really “Should” be able to do and create a “Decent Competitor”, in the EV Space!

250-300+ miles range, at least 2 Battery Size Choices, More Comfortable Seats, More Headroom, better Aerodynamics, just for starters!

A 250 Mile Range, Malibu Sized Vehicle, would do them good! Give it 2,000 Lbs Towing, right out of the gate, and 100 kW+ Charging rates, would be a good start!

Sure, they could design, build, and sell the vehicles you described, but at what price and sales volume? That’s the rub.

Having said that, I’m sure GM (and Ford and Toyota and Honda and…) could do what you called for at a semi-reasonable price, if they’re willing to accept thin margins and low volumes that eat into the sales of their more profitable products.

This issue of competing with their own vehicles will only get worse as battery prices decline and EVs drop in price, increase in range, and generally become even more attractive as an ICE alternative for mainstream buyers.

I disagree. I think the issue of competing with their own vehicles will get better as EVs become more profitable.

GM could care less competing with their own products. If you buy an EV from them instead of an ICE they could care less – the issue is the profit.

Well of course you actually meant to say they couldn’t care less, but in this case they could care a lot less.

Auto makers don’t like to see sales split between two models. Twice the R&D and tooling-up costs for the same number of cars sold… that’s not a winning business strategy.

I absolutely agree that legacy auto makers will as long as possible avoid making and selling in large numbers, any plug-in EV that will compete for exactly the same market segment as any of their better selling gasmobiles.

Thus it ever is, during a disruptive tech revolution. See The Innovator’s Dilemma.

Thats why they should start from the top. No chance for canibalization then. But that’s massive CapEx, and willingness to take short term dent to margins and that’s the true rub here.

Or a Trax, or That nice Chevy CUV EV design

If only GM ‘would’ since they have the capacity to do it (but they would still be battery constrained) however they won’t because their stocks are owned by big oil.

Lmao. Believe it when I see it

They need more than duplicates of the Bolt. They need it in other segments. Most people want at least slightly bigger.

GM is so old hat. I don’t really see anything coming out of them that even can hold a candle to the Model 3.
The Bolt is an alright city runabout.
As far as GM’s future products, go, well in the future maybe I will take an interest, but the future is fungible, and I think they are full of it.

Who does have a BEV car that can compete with the Model 3 (or S)?
Stop beating up GM over an expectation that no one has met.

Tesla has met that expectation. What makes them so special?

What makes Tesla special? That’s complicated. But they are clearly special.

GM has zero chance of selling a $49k+ compact sedan in huge volume. People would laugh if they even tried.

No they will not. They can easily sell 10k EV on thier models if they advertise and not be such a$$es on dealers. you can take at least $4k off the sticker easily

GM is interested in gross profits. The general attitude is “yeah, we are doing something, but it’s not a mission for us.” My genuine hope is that since Tesla has engaged maximum market stomping on the sedan segment, to the point that some ICE makers are essentially dropping models and exiting the field, that when they release the Y and the Tesla Pick-up, it becomes an extinction level event for the manufacturers that do not enter the BEV space with gusto. GM has pockets deep enough to make these vehicles. They have the manufacturing expertise to make things quickly, as well as the partner contracts and capital to execute. They are hamstrung by the UAW unions if they stop making ICEs. They “can’t” shut down an engine / transmission/ exhaust assembly line. In other words, they are entangled with their status quo. Look at what happened in Germany, when VW Group talked about labor reductions. A German labor outrage ensued. Go tell a guy who has been assembling transmissions for 20 years he has to take a training class or two and when he comes back, there will be no transmissions for him to build. There’s the other thing: GM… Read more »

Totally agree and if GM was really serious they sould have scaled up their excellent Voltec system years ago and put it in a range of larger vehicles and they would have been sitting pretty right now.

They need to produce those three models at the same time. I would love it if the get another factory up running in the rust belt and start producing the model Y and model Z at the same time. The Z being a larger SUV as the size of a Expedition and Y being the size of the Escape and the pickup built in the South with the a Roadster. You get those regions population into the Tesla workforce and promotions if the EVs. Plus the South is Pickup country

Your analysis is quite interesting.

But still I can’t understand that given Tesla’s success with their electric cars, nobody rushed to compete.

In the case of GM, even while staying conservative and just going no further than the Voltec system (which has transmission, exhaust, etc), they could have put it in so many other vehicles. Unbelievable.

That’s the main reason I traded my 2013 Volt last year for a model S.

At what price point? $49,000?

Why does GM need to beat the Model 3? It’s a $50k+ car and outside of Cadillac GM doesn’t make a lot of $50k+ cars. GM just needs to figure out how they are going to continue to sell 10 million cars/trucks a year. I’m sure it will be a mix of ICE, PHEV and EV’s.

Well the Caddi Volt (ELR), tried to reskin it, and double the price, and even giving it a bit more power. Didn’t really work! Even though the ELR was a Major Effort for them in the EREV Direction!

Maybe giving the ELR 4 Doors, and Real Adult Size Headroom – front AND Back, and 80-100 Battery Miles range, with a 2.6 Litre Engine, and a 600 Miles Range Total, would give it a few years sales possibility! Until BEV’s are 400-500 Miles Range, anyway!

No. It’s a good car but wrong design choice. They should have went straight to a SUV Caddy

I don’t know how many people have seen/been in an ELR, but it was a very nice car. If GM would have priced it in the $50k’s they could have moved them a lot easier. But I can’t blame them for trying.

It was an absolutely fabulous car… if you just wanted something that looks good sitting in your driveway.

But it was utterly impractical. The ELR was wildly overpriced, and had a notoriously cramped back seat. Frankly I think they would have done better at making it a two-seater, especially if that would have let them sell it at a less inflated price.

Agree on the backseat. Luxury interior means thicker door walls which cramps everything in a small car. I saw one once in Urbandale, IA. They should have made it a two-seat roadster of some sort, like their XLR. More room, justifiable price, and about right for their sales volume goals.

No movement and mobility with the seats

What are u talking about? Power Driver and passenger seats with Lumbar support adjustment. My Roadster that it had replaced had a blood-pressure gland to pump it up, but the ELR has a convenient powered lever.

I’m taking about roadsters and sport cars. They are not comfortable. Yes I know the ELR have power seats.

Another clueless comment: AN ELR is WIDER than the Volt. Especially now since the new volt’s hatch is narrower than even the GEN1 Volt.

Yes it is. No wonder I felt cramped

It’s a coupe Push. When you buy a coupe you know no one is sitting in the back.

More drivel. One of the best cars I’ve ever owned. Again, as typical – you are clueless.

Easily holds my 2 year old grand-nephew in his car seat in the back, and holds 4 people when necessary. Rear seats fold down for all kinds of luggage storage added to the trunk space, good for extended vacations or camping.

People don’t understand (or have never been in) a Sport Coupe.

It is also the BEST PERFORMING Hybrid (of any kind) Car & Driver had EVER tested.

Sit in the driveway – what a dopey comment. Mine has 50,000 miles on it and it shines and performs like new.

Just Rebadge it again bring it back as Cavalier Coupe

It really didn’t have enough power given the price and status of the car! 300hp (as in…2 electric motors?) would have been a minimum considering the ICE competition it was facing.

What are u talking about Robert? The ELR was only made for 12 months yet far outsold YEARS of roadster production.

I wish everyone would stop making the idiotic comments about it being a badge-engineered VOLT. I expect such drivel from Pushi – his nonsense here again a few comments down. But you usually say stuff when you know what you are talking about. But you are clueless here.

I paid (depending on who is counting), $3000-$4000 more for my New ELR than my New Volt.

People keep repeating the same lies over and over again. Senility, maybe?

GM knows how to make sexy sports cars.
It’s just a matter of whether they are willing to make an electric sexy sports car. I drool to think what an E-vette (or something similar) could do.

Sexy Compliance EV Cars , &..Build as few as Possible for as Long as Possible! ….lmao

Not a runabouts. It’s need a software update on the charging rate and EA chargers are coming online

In this horse race my money is on Mary Barra and Pam Fletcher at GM. After the Joe Rogan interview and getting a good look at the weird mindset of Musk … all bets on him are off. Let’s look to GM to take the reins from here on out.

Yeah the interview didn’t do him any favors neither his board but he’s still there and he has a brilliant mind

Shorts did the best to spin it out but after watching the entire 2+ hours I thought that was a pretty good conversation, reminded me of TED talks. Also I’m convinced Elon never smoked mj in his life, he was clueless and did it wrong anyway.
But hey, you wouldn’t know just by watching the screen shots posted for clicks.

Guaranteed …..You Will Lose BIG !!!

You will lose badly. Let her run Fiat. That company would go bankrupt by now. Chevy and GMC trucks and SUV he keeping them afloat

If a CEO and chairman of the Board with a “weird mindset” is what it took for Tesla to defy all the financial experts, not merely surviving but now growing rapidly into a major auto maker, with the Tesla Model 3 now the top selling plug-in EV in the entire world (China included!) despite its high price… then perhaps Elon Musk having what you call a “weird mindset” is a good thing.

They say you can’t argue with success… but you’re trying to do that anyway! 😉

Go Tesla! Keep Going Tesla!

The Board should control his actions and get someone to help him

LMFAO, by “GM…take the reigns from here on out” do you mean by only selling the Bolt in low-volume compliance car numbers as Musk predicted they would and these same numbers are backed up by the scoreboard here???

And I say that having leased one of the earliest Bolts produced from a GM stealership who tried to steer me to a Cruze.

Great car until you try and take it past its range and then you get stuck with not-fast 1 1/2 hour DCFC times every 2-3 hours of driving and that is if you don’t have to pull over because your back is aching from the thin front seats.

GM is so far only in compliance mode/hedging their bets and would much rather sell gas guzzling trucks and SUVs whereas Tesla is clearly aiming to replace ICE vehicles altogether with compelling EVs backed up by an equally compelling support ecosystem.

I agree with you Real. I can’t believ I said that

GM and old world car companies don’t have the sense of urgency or motivation to move forward fast. Every EV they sell instead of an ICE means far less profit for them and their franchise dealership, whose long standing motivation is to squeeze as much money out of a customer as possible through commissioned sales and then again through their service departments.

Serious conflicts of interests between dealers selling highly profitable trucks and SUV’s as opposed to EV’s.

Cost money for legacies

The entire LICE ecosystem is built to maximise profit for car companies, stealerships, and oil companies while ensuring customers are financially drained as much as possible.
Imagine if all the money wasted on the LICE ecosystem was available to be spent elsewhere in the economy? What a different, and better, world that would be.

Yeah but those 3 million jobs needs to replace

Lots of jobs in cleantech, renewable energy, wind-energy generation, stationary storage installation, solar panel installation, Tesla delivery centers, Tesla service centers, Tesla stores, Tesla manufacturing, etc. The list of new jobs is endless.

Not if they getting automated. And these people have been in the car game for years. Welfare is being reduce. And consumer buying power will be diminish

What a ridiculously “zero some game” post.
Automation is like any other technological improvement that improves productivity in the last few millennia, and a Luddite is there to say what you said, trying to stop progress.

Do we lament about the loss of jobs in illuminated manuscripts following the Gutenberg press?
Do we lament the loss of horse and carriage jobs (drivers, horse shoeing, blacksmiths) after cars came along?
Do we lament the loss of vinyl record jobs after the CD?
Do we lament the loss of VHS jobs after the DVD? DVD after Blu-ray?
Unlike machines, people adapt and, after learning the new job, do more with the same sized workforce.

But some jobs just can’t be done automatically. When can a robot build a wind farm? Are you imagining Futurama giant-Bender robots roaming the Earth in the year 3001?

P.S. I thought you said you were from Ohio; Ohio grammar is much better than yours.

I am. It’s a comment board not an AP college English course

It matters, even on a comment board. Poor grammar hurts your credibility.
For a humorous take, see also: the music video “Word Crimes”.

No it dont. Please read the lingos and rules of social media

One of those were changing of the guard the others were changing of tech. Dvd and CD brought an end to retail establishment that cater to those industry. Best Buy will be one of them but will be replace by Amazon. What industry will replace the the ice and transimission if everything to built an EV will be in house. Dealers will close. What jobs they are going to get if their no ice to repair. Mom and pop repair shops that cater to the local communities will hurt those communities.

I already gave you the answer. You’re like a broken record.

“Lots of jobs in cleantech, renewable energy, wind-energy generation, stationary storage installation, solar panel installation, Tesla delivery centers, Tesla service centers, Tesla stores, Tesla manufacturing, etc. The list of new jobs is endless.” “Unlike machines, people adapt and, after learning the new job, do more with the same sized workforce.”

Yes they adapt but it will take time and with automation a lot longer. Joe from YouTube explain this perfectly. He’s a huge Tesla fan

Car companies could care less about oil companies. It’s all about profits. If you could provide them a battery tech that gave them the range and refueling performance of ICE at the same cost they would switch overnight.

No, because the LICE investors ARE the oil companies. Stop pretending you don’t know that.

Not the dealers or repair shops. Those have been local business that supports the local communities they are in and jobs they provide

The Chevy Bolt EV, is not a particularly “Bad” EV, but it does not seem to have considered “Compelling”, as part of either its Style Design Language, or its Technical Design Language! Bad Aero at Typical American Freeway Driving Speeds, don’t seem to have been dealt with, nor the Lack of seat comfort, as well as slow “fast” charging speeds! “No Range Anxiety” in the Bolt EV might be true, as a Very Capable City Car, but as a Road Trip Car, it comes back to “Range Anxiety”, in part due to its designs, and then in “Charging Anxiety”, due to Charging Rates, and Accessabilities of Infrastructure! But, GM is “Not in the Charging Infrastructure Business!” (Wasn’t it them that stated that, not so very long ago?) Maybe GM should Partner up with VW, Nissan, FCA, Ford, Mitsubishi, Kia, Hyundai, Volvo, etc., to “Share” in Charging Infrastructure Expansion, if they are so Serious? Just $5,000,000 ($5 Million), per Quarter, chipped in, from Each American Producing and/or Selling, Car Brand, could take them above $30 -$60 Million per Quarter, in EV Charger and Fast Charger Infrastructure investment! Following VW’s Electrify America plan, such a partnership could rapidly enhance the Viability of… Read more »

Simply giving the Bolt a hot hatch shape instead of the minivan look they went with would be a big improvement.

Yes ! But , They need to start from Scratch….

That violates the first rule of classic auto manufacturing: all environmentally-oriented vehicles must be weirdmobiles so everyone will laugh. I’m glad Nissan fixed the Leaf.

Yelp. That’s pennies

Get the gas and oil and electric companies in too

Its a Chevy. It is built down to a given price. Just like the old-time Chevys. Practical and high-value.

When you pay $60,000 for a ‘3’ you can get something that is a bit prettier.

Must be a difficult concept to grasp for many here.

I await some battery packed ‘grid friendly’ fast chargers. Until then I hope the ones that are installed have no problem paying their requisite charges. The ones installed seem to use much electricity at the the exact wrong time during the day or early evening.

Still the condescending attitude from GM. When a new comer kicks your arse, you acknowledge your weakness and try to improve (re Koenigsegg on the Roadster 2). Calling someone who beat you badly “very capable” doesn’t sound like you know you’re beat. With the way things are going, I wouldn’t pay too much regard to GM, or Ford or Chrysler, when it comes to electric vehicles.

What is Tesla beating GM “badly” at? Surely not making a profit.


That not making a profit yet but at the end of the quarter they will

I wonder who is in more debt right now. GM or Tesla?

August sales: Model 3 = 17800, Bolt = 1225 -> 14.5x ratio
2018 YTD: Model 3 = 55882, Bolt = 10258 -> 5.3x ratio
Source: InsideEVs Plug-In Sales Scorecard

Beating badly is an understatement. It’s a whupping.

Tesla is absolutely beating GM at making a gross profit margin, at least according to Sandy Munro’s teardown analysis of the Model 3.

For Tesla to make a net profit it will have to reduce the rate at which it’s spending money to grow the company rapidly, which would be a colossally stupid business strategy so long as the market is wide open for Tesla to continue to grow at that rapid rate. wasn’t consistently making a quarterly profit as recently as three years ago. Does that mean Amazon should have cut back on the rate at which it was expanding? Of course not! And the same is true for Tesla.

Knowing secondhand how Elon makes his decisions on the assembly line, I trust his instincts. Tesla has pretty much halted all capital expansion for the quarter and possibly the year. Supercharger projects have stalled out, as have new stores. Hiring outside of production has also mostly stopped. He’s timing profitability. Here’s a numbers analysis of how GM runs their finances:

yes, I know, Seeking Alpha and all. I assume the numbers to be correct.

Trucks and SUV push. That’s where the margins are at and thier finance department that give out loans and leases.

Bailing out GM out of bankruptcy, making possible GM’s “profit”, cost American taxpayers a net $11.2 billion, according to TIME.
Tesla, by paying back its $451 million DOE ATVM loan 9 years early _plus_ a prepayment penalty, and without bankruptcy is indeed beating GM “badly”.

I want GM to pay that $11.2 billion back to America. Only after that can GM legitimately count “profit”. Maybe.

This is not an entirely fair comparison. If Tesla was around at that time with their current size, they would have gone bankrupt too. They benefited from the meltdown by scooping their factory for pennies. GM was not the culprit for the 2008 financial crisis, they were the victim. It is like blaming underwater homeowners who lost their jobs and homes.

Saved 3 million jobs and that’s including the suppliers that make deals with the big 3. If you guys wanted the government not to bailout those companies there wouldn’t be those companies or America as we know it. No company was financially stable to brought off and no banks were willing to loan out money. Chrysler got money and force to be brought off by fiat.

They us back with jobs and the jobs it saved

No but killing GM Sedans lineup

We should not confuse public statements and what GM execs are saying to each others and their people behind closed doors. No one here knows the latter. In the former, execs are highly constrained. They want to sound as forward looking as possible without scaring the spit out of shareholders, dealers, and near-future customers. I would expect them to acknowledge the obvious, that Tesla is making some very good cars, but not sound the least bit scared while they assure the world that they’re not missing the electrification trend.

As always, the thing to pay the most attention to is product announcements and then the geographical and volume patterns of product delivery. All else is low-grade balloon juice.

But we do know. VW Group had a thing internally and had a “public enemy #1” slide showing Elon Musk. Foundation and eyeliner hides a lot of crying from the night before. Sales statistics don’t lie. Tesla is crushing the luxury market and coming in a hot and heavy top 5 behind the titans of mid-sized sedans.

VW is releasing thier EVs models soon

Probably one of the best comments I’ve read on the site. People believe if Tesla does X then other OEM’s need to do Y to respond. Tesla is at a very different point in their growth than the other large OEM’s. They need to go all out in everything they do. GM, BMW, VW, etc… can be a lot more plotting. But when they finally hit the switch I don’t expect it to be instant EV. It will be a transition that makes since given their customer base. Tesla right now is selling to a pretty homogeneous base.

You mean their big oil investor base, right?

GM is selling in the neighborhood of 1K Bolts per month. Tesla is building 5K or more M3s per week. And that’s without considering the massive advantage Tesla has with the Supercharging network.

Right now GM is being completely outclassed by the scrappy startup with the pot-puffing CEO. If Barra wants to be something other than an afterthought in the new EV world, she needs to step up her game. A lot. As in at least an order of magnitude.

Let’s compare bottom lines of both companies while we’re at it and discuss who is actually beating who.

Why would anybody on a green car website care about how many pure ICE cars any car company builds?

The green car fan’s math on a company building ICE cars is to score minus one point for each ICE car, minus 5 points for every ICE truck. Then +5 points for each PHEV or short range EV that requires an ICE backup car, and +10 for every long range fast charging EV that completely eliminates the need for a gas backup car.

Because that reflects the greater negative economic and health impact over the life of each of their ICE vehicles that ICE car companies weasel out of paying that WE have to pay for them.

That’s short term thinking. Thank goodness Tesla believes in long term business strategy!

The key words being “right now”. There’s a saying in American sports: Success isn’t permanent and failure isn’t fatal.

I expect all the legacy car companies to do much more with EVs in the next few years. Some will do a lot more than others, of course, but we’re right on the cusp of seeing meaningful progress, I think.

I see her fired by the end of next year when GM lose market share

I wonder how many times she had to sleep at the factory floor on crappy couch .

About the same number of times she oversaw corporate-wide sales doubling.

It happened to Ford.

Actually, she’s one of GM’s best CEOs in decades.

More Shorter “BS” WTH are you Puffing On ? 0r Have you been drinking your Bath Water?

Last time I check GM’s sales increased from last year, so Tesla might be eating someone’s lunch, but it’s not GM’s. Tesla is selling into a segment – midsize sedans that the OEM’s are abandoning in waves.

So sedan and hatchback market would be only electric?

Forget Tesla, at this rate GM should be paying attention to Hyundai/KIA as they are marching ahead with the Kona/Niro crossovers, getting ready to unleash them worldwide. 8 years after the unveiling of the Volt GM still does not have a plugin crossover.

I’m really excited for the Niro, but I bet there’s going to be a huge battery bottleneck. I don’t think we’re going to see them in very high volume for a while. LG and Samsung can’t pump batteries out quickly enough yet.

I think any capacity LG does have GM has pretty much spoke for.

Yelp. If Kia and Hyundai have the factory capacity of GM they would have outsold All US automakers EVs except Tesla

GM calls the BoltEV a cross-over. The EPA calls it a 5-door hatchback. The Kona and Niro EVs are price-competitive to the Bolt EV and the (someday) small battery Tesla Model III. Considering production is limited to 20,000 per year, so I don’t think GM cares. Tesla, on the other hand, is headed to a production goal of twice that per month with the Model III, and is building a factory in China now.

Considering GM paid lobbyists to prevent Tesla from selling in Maryland, I think GM would like to forget Tesla, but their bottom line says they can’t.

And exactly how many Kona/Niro’s have been sold in the US and at what cost? At this point you might be able to get an I-Pace sooner than a Kona/Niro in the US.

All I know is GM will name these cars with words that end with “..olt”. My guess are Chevy Golt, Chevy Blolt, Chevy Zolt, Chevy Flolt, Chevy Xolt, Chevy Gnolt,

Mary Barra wins the “Captain Obvious” prize.

Tesla’s biggest advantage is it’s supercharging network. But for me it is useless as I won’t be using it even if I bought the Tesla Model 3. Tesla is charging at more than twice the price of my home electricity. Other charging networks have better electricity rates than Tesla but are very hard to come by. Anyway, using my Volt on long distance would cost the same as driving the Model 3 on Tesla’s electricity, but I get faster to my destination with the Volt to places that don’t have any charging stations. Yeah, I can’t afford the available Model 3 as priced today, especially the performance edition that comes with free electricity upon referral.

If they are looking Bolt based variants, I vote for an AWD Trax-based CUV.

The Trax is on the same Gamma II platform that the Sonic is on. So they could possibly build it on the same assembly line that the Sonic and Bolt are currently built, and increase utilization on that line as Sonic sales have tapered off. Slot it in a few thousand higher than the current Bolt price, and cut the Bolt base price to be closer to the discounted prices people are paying and they should boost sales of both.

At least half of what makes Tesla “capable” as Barra call it is their charging network. Our Bolt is a very good car by almost any measure, but we can’t yet practically do a long east-west road trip in it, and there are even some places in our own state of California that are out of reach (e.g. the east side of the Sierra Nevada mountain range). It still astonishes me that neither GM nor any of the other large established manufacturers have done anything to improve charging infrastructure. It would be a relatively small cost for them, especially if they teamed with one of the existing charging providers.

Not many do a transcontinental road trip. Just fly, it’s much cheaper

I am a soon to be model 3 owner and while the charging network is important I think there is still a huge untapped market for city/commuter BEVs for multi-car households. I think Tesla’s real advantage is they are just more compelling than comparably priced (BMW 3 series) ICE vehicles. The sales numbers speak for themselves. I think a practical 150 mile BEV in priced in the high twenties / low thirties in the white hot RAV4/CRV/Escape/Equinox CUV form factor would sell very well provide it drove better or offered some other advantages over its ICE competitors. The Bolt got a lot right but is one size too small (especially the cargo area behind the 2nd row) for the US market in my opinion. So far only Tesla seems to be building BEVs that are more compelling than equivalently priced ICE vehicles. The charging network is icing on the cake but I suspect Tesla would still have a huge market in multi-car households without it. It would be interesting to see what percentage of Tesla owners have one or more ICE vehicles as well. I would wager a pretty high percentage.

“That’s why we’ve been so aggressive on investing in technology and moving quickly.”

Aggressive, moving quickly ??? soooooo funny