General Motors Comments On Bolt Inventory – Only 6 Per Certified Dealership Nationwide

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JUL 26 2017 BY ERIC LOVEDAY 110

It’s one of those awkward he said, she said moments.

Last week, we learned that General Motors was extending the summer shutdown at the Orion Assembly Plant. That’s the site of production for both the Chevrolet Bolt and the Chevy Sonic.

Bolt EVs outside Capital Chevrolet in San Jose/George B

At the time, it was stated that inventory for the Bolt had reach 111 selling days, which is way above the automaker’s target of ~70 selling days.

Some believed that Bolt sales were so soft that GM was forced to extend the plant’s downtime.

We later learned that reportedly (according to a plant employee) GM is using the downtime to retool the factory for increased Bolt production.

“We added an extra week for shutdown because of slowing sales for the Sonic, Iโ€™m assuming because of gas prices.”

“Another reason for the extra week was to complete bank systems and re do the assembly line to INCREASE Bolt production.”

“The jobs are all set to produce Bolts on a 2 Sonics, 1 Bolt mix. They are changing the mix to a 50/50 split, which requires adjustments.”

Now, General Motors has made an official statement that’s kinda related to the matter:

“Regarding downtime at Orion Assembly โ€“ July down weeks at the plant consist of planned summer shutdown weeks and additional down week, which is related to softening sales of the [Chevy] Sonic. Production plans (of which we don’t actually know what volumes were planned forย MY 2018) for the Bolt remain unchanged.”

“There are only 7,000 Bolt EVs in dealer stock or in transit. Divide that by the number of Bolt/certified dealers and we have roughly 6 per store. That is hardly overstocked.”

There are always multiple ways to look at the same situation it seems.

Source: Forbes

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Mike
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Interesting that MA dealer is advertising the Bolt at $145/mo. I do not qualify for all of the programs, but do have a lease with another manufacture so for me it would be about $170/mo with nothing down. Makes it a no brainer, but… someone is loosing a ton of money on that vehicle. I guarantee you that it will lose more than $6,120 in 3 years!

Dan
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Dan

That’s not how much most people pay for a Bolt. You’re mistaking a marketing gimmick to get people in the door for average sales numbers. EV Lease numbers are notoriously easy to massage down when you shorten the duration and increase the initial payment because the incentive is fixed. If you’re in MA, look at other dealers, who will be advertising twice the amount. They won’t be doing that if the going price were really that low.

Bon Bon
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Bon Bon

Here is the actual ad from the dealer. $95/month with $1999 down or $145/month for $0 down.
http://www.quirkchevy.com/new-chevy-specials/2017-chevrolet-bolt-ev-lt-all-electric-1485/

Here is another ad from the competitor. $203 for $0 down for the LT model

http://www.muzichevyma.com/lease-specials/chevy-bolt-lease-deals-boston-ma.htm

Dave86
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Dave86

Cool – thanks for posting. Given that GM is increasing their production rate for the Bolt and it doesn’t seem to be selling well right now, I was thinking I should be able lease one for $200/mo or so sometime in September or October with low “drive off”. Looks like we’re there now.

Thanks again for the post & the links. Very exciting.

Doggydogworld
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Doggydogworld

36 * 145 = 5220

Leasing company gets 7500 fed (plus 2500 state?)

Cash price is 30,500, so their residual on the lease is in the 15,500 range for a three year old car. That’s 40% of MSRP, which is low by traditional standards, but of course off-lease Leafs are much less. The Bolt is a much more capable car, though, so 15k is at least credible.

Steve P
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Steve P

No, you get the $2,500 as long as you lease for 36 months.

Steve P
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Steve P

Don’t forget the $2,500 you’ll get back from the state.

Stimpy
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Stimpy

Quirk Chevy is legendary in their misleading marketing. Go ahead and try to buy a Bolt from them and see what I mean.

Hans Hammermill
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Hans Hammermill

FYI I had a terrible experience in the past attempting to buy a Leaf at Quirk Nissan (they downright lied several times in writing). The experience was so bad we actually held off on buying a Leaf entirely.

However Sean Mulkerrans at Quirk Chevrolet in Braintree sold us our BoltEV for the advertised price ($4500 off MSRP at the time) with no hassle. Literally completed the purchase in one stop in a few hours.

Quirk Group does have a bad reputation, however Sean at Quirk Chevy in Braintree made it simple (like it should be).

WadeTyhon
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WadeTyhon

This is what several of us were saying on the original article. The idea that this shut down had anything to do with the Bolt made no sense.

georgeS
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georgeS

right Wade. Me thinks the original report from said employee is just baloney.

BenG
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BenG

So, production plans for the Bolt are unchanged, that’s too bad, though understandable.

In a few months there will be heavy discounting.

Very interested to see what they do with price, options, and production targets for the 2018 Bolt. Will they aim to make it a more mass-market car by upping production and cutting the price? I hope so.

Tom
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Tom
Both the factory employee and the company statement could be right. They are not mutually exclusive. That factory has LOTS of extra capacity. Summer shut downs happen EVERY summer. It is entirely possible that the plan all along was staged roll out (which it clearly was) and about the end of that rollout would correspond to the summer shut down and production would be increased assuming they hadn’t hit major snags along the way in production (which it appears they have not). The reduction in Sonic certainly wasn’t planned a year ago but perhaps if Sonic was going to remain the same then another shift had been planned previously to make more Bolts (there’s only 1) and now that isn’t necessary due to Sonic reduction. What I’m saying please note is pure speculation but so is most of this forum. Just pointing out that these issues can be both part of the same picture without much conflict. The single opinion of a single factory worker is not necessarily inclusive of the overall plan and of course public announcements by companies are not always completely transparent. But they are not necessarily at odds.
JeremyK
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JeremyK

+1

JustWillimPDX
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JustWillimPDX

Well said. Kudos Tom.

Breezy
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Breezy

There’s discounting already in some areas. Depends on the local market. I’ve seen people in California claiming they’ve received up to $7000 off between dealer discounts and GM incentives.

At any rate, GM is on track to sell 50,000 plug-ins in North America this year.

Nix
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Nix
GM’s “Price-Point” sales model relies heavily upon discounting to close deals. It is a common sales technique that is decades old, especially among the “Big 3” US car makers. And especially towards the end of a Model Year, in the months prior to a new Model Year being released, since the perception is that 2017’s are old and 2018’s are the new thing. Also, some dealerships use high volume discounted sales to go after monthly sales bonuses. So the low price you get doesn’t necessarily mean the dealer isn’t making money on the car. They are getting back much of the discounts they offer on the back end of the deal due to hitting bonus targets. Looking at the amount of discounts some dealers may offer at any time in the year is not an accurate way project either sales or demand. A prime example is when GM was selling the Volt with a $5000 dollar discount, and then cut the price by $5000 dollars. GM actually sold MORE Volts when the price was $5000 dollars higher and they had a $5000 dollar discount, than when they dropped the price by $5000 and offered no discount. Even though the final… Read more »
Gary
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Gary

Sell more ev’s gm – that way you can offsetland barges like the suburban, tahoe, escalade ad nausium. Great plan

Asak
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Asak
The thing is, $7000 in discounts isn’t that great. It’s unclear whether you’re talking about lease or about buying. $7000 off on a purchase would be good, but for a lease we really should be getting a $7500 discount right off the bat from passing on the Federal EV rebate. GM has only been passing on about half of that. If you add in actual “discounts”, the lease price should start with around $10,000 off, but that’s not what we’re really seeing. (Unless things have changed drastically in the last month and a half that is.) When I tried to lease a Bolt back in May, that wasn’t the case. There were teaser rates for stripped down models with no DCFC, and in a blah color like black. If you got one in a color you actually wanted, with a DCFC all of a sudden the price shot up. The problem is all of the “add-ons” just get added directly to the cost of the lease. They don’t get added to the total price and then a fraction get passed on in the lease, as you’d expect, instead you pay the whole cost of them in the lease. That means… Read more »
WadeTyhon
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WadeTyhon

“Unchanged” in that production was already going to increase as expected with national availability followed by increased international availability.

Just dont expect 40 or 50k this year.

Around December last year, I estimated 28-32k for the first year. With a few thousand being for international orders. I think that is going to pretty much be what we end up seeing delivered to dealers, although the overall industry slow down may mean a little less than that.

Tom
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Tom

You said the same thing as me but took 300 fewer words to do it. I think if you add up sales in the US and other countries in June it was 2500-ish which is a 30,000 pace. Expect less than that first half of year and more than that last half and *poof* averages out to 30,000 for full year right within expectations of what you are saying and what I believe GM was targeting a year ago (or at least that’s my memory). Does not appear to be any change at all and that all along it was a ramp throughout the year.

mx
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mx

Similar situation with the BMW i3 on the East Coast.
Cars have been sitting on dealer lots for MONTHS.
You can get at least a 10% discount, and with leasing the $7500 federal tax credit off the price. Makes the i3 More Affordable than a BOLT!

Shock.

Asak
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Asak

To be fair, you have to balance the i3 being a BMW vs a Chevy against the fact that it has half the range. In my opinion the i3 should rightfully be cheaper than the Bolt. That isn’t to say the cost of the Bolt isn’t a bit high right now.

FISHEV
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FISHEV

“So, production plans for the Bolt are unchanged, thatโ€™s too bad, though understandable.””

The article and GM statements talk of INCREASING the Bolt production. Bolt (Ampera-e) demand in Europe where we have England and France recently stating all EV fleet by 2040 seems strong while weak in the US so could see the changeover at the plant to produce more Ampera-e’s.

Asak
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Asak

I wonder if the bad Sonic sales won’t ironically encourage GM to increase Bolt production. After all they have all that spare production capacity. If there’s demand for the Bolt or Ampera, it might make more sense for them to ramp up production, even if their margin on the car isn’t great, rather than have the factory sit idle.

Breezy
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Breezy

And sold out in Canada, with waiting lists.

FISHEV
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FISHEV

Europe looks to be similar which makes sense with public tone in the US going back to 19th century and Europe and China head for the 21st century.

TwoVolts
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TwoVolts

+1. You got it FISHEV. Just a matter of time before Canada, Europe and Asia move forward and embrace electric transport as we Americans go back to the good old days of driving ‘Family Trucksters’.

David Bronicki
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David Bronicki

You got to take into consideration the infrastructure for electricity in the United States its antiquated and needs tremendous update that takes many years to do that and a lot of money and this government is not going to do that anytime soon,

electric-car-insider.com
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False. EPRI and EEI studies, and independent utility studies all over the country show that about 80% of all cars on the road today could be electric before upgrades are needed.

Also, solar carports at work could reduce daytime load. Hawaii has so much solar and wind that their super off peak rate is *during the middle of the day.*

It will take a few years, but the rest of the country will catch on.

Paul K
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Paul K

I think GM execs are so full of BS their eyeballs should be brown. They could have sold twice as many by now if they re-allocated to the countries where they sold out immediately.
Instead they’ll cry the blues about how they can’t sell their electrics because people don’t want to buy them.

WadeTyhon
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WadeTyhon

Statements like this are the GM hating alternate reality equivalent of a TSLA shorter.

Please link me to GM saying anything negative about their electrification efforts in the Bolt or Volt. I would love to see where they call the bolt a failure and cry about how no one wants electrics.

John
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John

http://blog.caranddriver.com/some-dealerships-dont-really-want-to-sell-you-an-electric-car/

While not GM directly, it is their dealerships. I have had several of these extraordinarily negative experiences at GM dealerships. “You don’t really want one of those” “It’s really not a good car” “Have you driven the new Impala, it’s great, that Volt…not so much”

If GM *actually* wanted their plug-ins to sell, they would get their dealers in line. The fact that they haven’t addressed it tells me they aren’t interested, and support their dealers negative views.

JayTee
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JayTee

I visited a Chevy dealership a couple weeks ago and the salesperson loved both the Volt and Bolt. Recommended both.

Asak
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Asak

That’s pretty standard fare with EVs right now. When I went to lease my e-Golf a few weeks ago, the guys at the VW dealership were kind of like “Eh, you can buy it or not.” They didn’t really try to sell it. Of course, it was unneeded because the lease deal sold it, and obviously I was an EV enthusiast and that was what I was interested in. But still I found their ambivalent attitude to be amusing.

Robert Weekley
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He is posting the investors equivalent of a ‘Forward Looking Statement’, for GM, by looking at his Magnetic Chystal Ball! No problem!

He is also Right, in that markets that have recived product, want more but have no further ‘Allocation’ for the next half of the year, and Limited 2018 Allocation for them as well! (Canada, Europe)

WadeTyhon
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WadeTyhon

You will forgive me for not trusting the financial advice of a man who says “I think GM execs are so full of BS their eyeballs should be brown. ” ๐Ÿ˜‰

Yes, I agree that Europe should get more Ampera-Es. And I am certain they will. The Bolt seems like the ideal car for Europe.

But Canada actually has been getting a pretty significant number considering the size of the market there. They sell a higher percentage of Bolts and Volts in Canada than in the US.

Right now about 150-200 Bolts are sold every month there. Still higher than most other plug-ins in Canada. But hopefully by the end of the year, they will increase availability to be at or near Volt numbers of about 350 a month.

Nix
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It would be GM hating if it were just GM doing it. But it isn’t. Nearly all of the ICE car makers who sell in the US market are currently making that exact claim to the EPA through their lobbying association in order to argue that the EPA should reduce the scheduled CAFE requirements. So while it would indeed be conspiracy nuttery to claim that GM was somehow doing that by themselves, the majority of the car makers who are members of the auto alliance lobbying association. And they aren’t even quiet about it, if you are capable of reading between the lines. They will go into detail about how they believe that nobody wants to buy EV’s and green cars, and how CARB ZEV should be eliminated and replaced by a single national program. https://autoalliance.org/energy-environment/ All through their propaganda, they claim the victories of clean car regulations as if they were proof that we don’t need those very regulations. As if THEY were responsible for the improvements, and not the regulations. Once you realize that auto alliance is just the megaphone through which GM and the rest of their members speak, you will understand that there is no conspiracy… Read more »
WadeTyhon
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WadeTyhon
I certainly have no love for this (or really any) lobbying group. I was pissed off as they lobbied for CAFE reductions to emissions standards. But also frustrated that potential EV buyers were trying to get everyone to boycott these brands EVs over it. Because that just hurts adoption rate overall. Having just browsed their page, I do see a section that mentions the ZEV mandate. “Ten states are mandating that automakers sell an increasing number of โ€œZero Emission Vehicles,โ€ defined as battery electric and plug-in hybrid electric vehicles and fuel cells. Government has a responsibility to help make its ZEV regulations successful with consumer incentives and investments in charging and fueling infrastructure, along with state fleet sales.” Clicking on it leads to an article discussing how ZEV mandate states can start meeting these goals by increasing the amount of EVs purchased for givernment fleets. Noting that only a small fraction of fleet purchases in these states were PHEV or EV. Not a terrible suggestion, and certainly not damning ZEVs. I think many states are starting to do just that following Trumps idiotic decision to pull out of the Paris Climate agreement! Their most recent twitter post has an image… Read more »
Nix
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Nix
Wade, I’m not going to post the link to their propaganda, because I don’t want to be their tool to troll this site on their behalf. But they most certainly ARE arguing to end the ZEV program: Under “Reconsidering the EPA Waiver” “EPA should withdraw the ZEV waiver provided to California under the Clean Air Act. Since that action would be unprecedented, it would likely face complex litigation. A more definitive approach would have Congress pass correcting legislation. Removal of the ZEV program would simplify the compliance obligations of vehicle manufacturers and remove any risk of an adverse national impact of the ZEV regulation on new vehicle sales.” I don’t think they can be any more clear about their intentions. Remember, these are people that GM and the other ICE car makers spend large amounts of money to pay to express what the car makers are afraid to state for themselves in public because of fear of public backlash. Again, no conspiracy theory, they aren’t hiding from it. They all openly admit they are part of the auto alliance and that the auto alliance represent their interests. The quote is right on the auto alliance website. They are simply trusting… Read more »
JayTee
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JayTee

CAFE requirements cost automakers and consumers a lot of money. Can you blame them and us for protesting? I bet you like the government telling you what to do?

WadeTyhon
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WadeTyhon

All industries push back against all regulations. Unless those regulations personally benefit them of course.

However, our government representatives should be looking at the bigger picture and representing their citizens, not just the shareholders or overpaid CEOs concerns. Lobbyists are too effective in our country. And their goals are short sighted.

Better MPG, and lower emission or zero emission vehicles are better for all consumers. And in a time of industry downturn and slumping car sales, EVs can be a new product to get buyers excited and on showroom floors. Especially now that battery prices have come down drastically.

Someone out there
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Someone out there

How much does polluting the population cost? Car exhaust in traffic-heavy areas are causing a lot of health issues which no car manufacturer is paying for, i.e. it’s a hidden subsidy. CAFE standards are saving lives and money but they should be much stricter

Pushmi-Pullyu
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Pushmi-Pullyu
“Statements like this are the GM hating alternate reality equivalent of a TSLA shorter.” There is some use of emotionally freighted language in the comment you’re responding to, but there’s no denying the fact that GM could sell far more of the Bolt EV in such places as Canada and S. Korea if it would ship them there. Yet we keep seeing stories of inventory piling up despite most Chevy dealers saying they have none for sale. If it’s not a deliberate strategy on the part of GM to sabotage Bolt EV sales, then it’s a case of highly unusual incompetence in distribution; an incompetence on the part of GM which seems, strangely, not to affect any of GM’s other models. Just the Bolt EV. We are advised to Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity (Hanlon’s Razor), but in this case I don’t think mere stupidity or incompetence adequately explains why Bolt EV sales have lagged so far behind production from the start, despite all the reports of would-be buyers frustrated over not being able to buy the Bolt EV that they want. Yeah, some of it seems to be — almost certainly is… Read more »
Loboc
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Loboc

Inventory piling up because they have 111 days of inventory? It’s because GM anticipates that these cars will sell faster than they can get the plant back online. This car launched less than a year ago. Using that track record to calculate 111 days of inventory is looking at the wrong end of the curve.

JeremyK
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JeremyK

Can we finish the US rollout before we start shipping globally? 32 states are just now coming online.

leafowner
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leafowner

They may see a bump once the Model 3 gets rolling and people see the real advantage of an EV (and then realize they can’t get a Model 3 for 2 years…..but can get a Bolt tomorrow)

Robert Weekley
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Well, in California, maybe, with Dealers having a reported 180-200 of the Bolt EV on lots!

theflew
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theflew

You keep posting this but I haven’t seen one dealer with that many on the lot. That’s a lot of vehicles regardless of make for one vehicle. In transit or stored I could agree.

If it’s a high volume dealer selling 20 – 30 Bolt’s a week and the factory is down 3 weeks that 60-90 Bolt’s out of their inventory. Also when the factory starts up the focus is going to be on new markets. So that inventory might have to last well over a month if not more.

So for a high volume Bolt dealer is CA that number could be normal. It’s just you and some of the press spinning it as a negative. Would you rather them shutdown the factory for 3 weeks with 100 cars available nationwide? At least the July numbers should be in line with June. This isn’t Tesla who’s output varies monthly.

Lou Grinzo
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Lou Grinzo

The web site for Bob Johnson Chevy in Rochester, NY says they have 77 Bolts in stock. This dealership claims in their local ads and on their site that they’re the top volume Chevy dealership in the entire country for 2013 through 2016 (meaning they were #1 each year, not #1 overall in that span).

I’ve driven by this dealer many times, and it’s huge — acres of sheet metal. I don’t know if they’re #1 in sales volume claim is true, but I’m guessing GM or someone would protest their claim if it weren’t defensibly close.

unlucky
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unlucky

You can’t trust the websites. Dealers lists cars that are in transit on their websites. Stock will actually be lower than the web says.

Why do dealers list cars that aren’t actually in stock as in stock? Because they want you to call/drop by so they can “sell what they’ve got” to you. Even if they have no EVs at all they want a chance to try to sell you something.

unlucky
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unlucky

That’s not true. I’ve been by some of the dealers listed on here as selling a lot of Bolts and even they don’t have 180-200 Bolts on the lot.

It depends on when the delivery trucks last came by but I’d say they have around 20 on average. If the trucks just came by it’ll be more, if not it’ll be less.

JeremyK
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JeremyK

I think we’ll see a lot of cancelled orders once we know the the specifications list and prices.

Saw a post yesterday where somebody stated that they didn’t think AWD would be available until the end of (this) year….LOL, how about end of next year. Does an AWD prototype even exist yet?

EV-A
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EV-A

Does anyone have any information about the actual availability of Bolts per dealership?

In my mind, it would only be fair to divide by the amount of dealerships with actual available Bolts.

Based on replies on this website, I get the impression that there are several areas with waiting lists…?

Are there any details available on sales per state?

ffbj
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ffbj

Yeah, that is bogus statistic he cites.
I think around 80% of them have been sold in CA. A smattering in OR & the other CARB states.
So perhaps a 1/4 of all dealers are Bolt certified, but you can’t buy one there, and they don’t have any in stock, so it’s a worthless statistic.

unlucky
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unlucky

It only just became nationally available. So areas like Texas probably have dealers with waiting lists.

KG
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KG

I was able to get mine in Austin, TX with little drama just days after they finally arrived in Texas. On day 11 of my experience, and everybody I show it to becomes a fan.

WadeTyhon
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WadeTyhon

Congrats!

I got the 2nd one sold in Texas. ๐Ÿ™‚ They were the first dealer in the state to get a shipment in late June.

I would think Austin is a good place to own a Bolt – you are within range of Houston, Dallas, and San Antonio.

Pushmi-Pullyu
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Pushmi-Pullyu

Congratulations!

I hope you have a good, long-term experience with your Bolt EV.

MTN Ranger
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MTN Ranger

Bolt EVs are just starting to arrive in my state. I checked the 8 dealers in my metro area:

Hendrick Cary – 11 (5 base, 6 premier)
Sir Walter – 7 (all base)
Hendrick Durham – 1 (base)
Capital – 0
Universal – 0
J&M – 0
VanNess – 0
John Hiester – 0

So a couple are getting a decent amount in already. BTW, all these dealers are Bolt EV certified.

JeremyK
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JeremyK

That calculation wouldn’t make any sense, because there are 32 states that, prior to last week, did not have any Bolt allocations. By next month, orders in those states will begin to be filled.

WadeTyhon
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WadeTyhon

I also like how, from the Forbes article, that the GM rep gives Tesla some props and throws some shade at GMs traditional competitors lol.

“Tesla is certainly a unique company with a lot going for it. Let me respond…where is the 238-plus mile EV from Toyota, Honda, Fiat-Chrysler, Nissan, Hyundai-Kia, Nissan, Subaru, Mitsubishi, Mercedes, BMW, Volkswagen, Mazda, et al?” — said Jim Cain, Chevrolet Business and Dealer Communications.

I consider that a challenge!

I know Nissan will be up for it soon. Maybe BMW and Hyundai. But almost everyone else is talking 2020.

MTN Ranger
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MTN Ranger

It seems like a strong indication that the next Leaf will be less than 238 miles.

Nix
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Nix

Well, VW/Audi will certainly be the winner in the most number of concept cars that fit that description….

/sarc

Seriously though, even 2020 seems too early for a couple of those companies. Not that they don’t talk about their “Tesla killers” endlessly, but it may be until 2022 for more than one of those companies to put out a 200+ mile range pure EV.

ClarksonCote
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ClarksonCote

What is the “he said she said” portion? Even with the initial announcement about the plant’s extended shutdown by a week, GM stated that was due to Sonic sales softening as well.

Aside from stories inferring that it may mean Bolt supply was too high, has GM ever indicated anything like that? To my knowledge they have not, and their story has always been about Sonic over-supply.

Of note, it’s not too surprising to me that the supply may be a bit high at dealerships presently. The car was just rolled out, is not fully available yet, and current dealers with stock are trying to get as close to MSRP as possible.

I would suspect any isolated over-supply will resolve itself once Bolt deals are a bit less than MSRP compared to now, in line with the rest of the Chevy lineup.

ffbj
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ffbj

What “GM” said?
Yeah, that’s a good one.

TBill
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TBill

Expansion makes possible sense if Bolt will take over for Volt …I thought I saw a reference yesterday to possible Volt stop

ffbj
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TBill
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TBill

I always miked Mazda5 but no I thought I saw that GM was considering nixing 6 models…

ffbj
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ffbj
TBill
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TBill

Yes, you got it, that’s the reference…thank you!

(โŒโ– _โ– ) Trollnonymous
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(โŒโ– _โ– ) Trollnonymous

When we shut down for a few weeks, there was always still work going on tooling/retoolong or maintenance of equipment.

I believe both GM and the employee…..lol
Not that I like GM or anything. ๐Ÿ˜›

Loren McDonald
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The statement “…roughly 6 per store” doesn’t make sense. Average is misleading. Anyone who lives in California, for example, can see 2-3 times this amount at their local Chevrolet dealer. Which means that at a dealer in a state that buys EVs at a very low rate, might have only a few Bolts in stock – which is at it should be.

California consumers purchase 50% of EVs bought in the US – the key question is: How are Bolts selling at Chevy dealerships in California? – as this is the true barometer of the current state of Bolt sales.

Scott Franco
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Scott Franco

On the floor in Silicon Valley, which is where suspect are the highest volume EV dealerships, I am seeing more and more Bolts driving around daily. We are up to four in just my company parking lot, and my company has about 5 or 6 of those parking lots here. I typically see for more on my commute every day. I have seen every color combination, black, white, blue red silver, and that nightmare of a color, orange.

In silicon valley there is going to naturally be more acceptance of such a car. Chargers are everywhere, I see one or two in the back of most medium to large companies. The biggest issue here is owners having to fight over charger spaces (our email list for EVs is full of this).

Most of them are getting sold via the DGDG/capitol dealership, as profiled here in insideevs.

ffbj
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ffbj

It makes perfect sense if you are GM and you want to counter criticism that the Bolt isn’t selling well. You just ring up your bogus statistics department and put their spin on it.

JeremyK
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JeremyK

Just because there are no ZEV credits in states like MI, IL, TX, etc doesn’t mean that EV sales are insignificant. I think Bolt sales will exceed 3000/mo by the end of Aug.

ffbj
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ffbj

Hardly likely. Since 90% were shipped to CA. 2700 out of 3000 in the 1st quarter.
So now they are going to produce 3k a month?
That with a shut down production line.

unlucky
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unlucky

Bolts are selling great in the SF Bay Area, which buys something like 25% of all EVs in the country.

I see 3-5 a day now. And that doesn’t count my own or the one that parks in the same lot as me.

To add to what the other poster said, they also sell a lot at the Fremont dealership that got the first three. And there are plenty more which have them featured out front, I presume they are selling them too.

Bill
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Bill

I live near Cleveland, Ohio. I just checked the Inventory tab on the Chevrolet web site right now. The nearest available Bolt is at Pennsylvsnia dealership near Pittsburgh, over 90 miles away.

It looks like the only cars actually on the lot are LT models. The Premiere model shown on the Chevy web site is described as red, but has a generic picture of a blue Bolt shown, which makes me suspect it has not been delivered to the dealer and probably not even manufacfured yet. It has been shown that way for the last week.

It would be nice to st least be able to test drive the Bolt. I am tall and have trouble finding enough leg room in many small cars. I would drive 90 miles to make a purchase if I were sure, but I won’t do it on a maybe.

Glut of Bolts my fanny! And that might be, given fhe relatively narrow Bolt seats as reported.

ItsNotAboutTheMoney
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ItsNotAboutTheMoney

When we bought our Volt my wife was test-driving cars at dealerships 75 miles away because the closer ones didn’t have hybrids and plug-ins. For the final decision we did an overnight stay at a hotel so my wife could take a couple of hour-long test drives without having already driven over an hour.

If you want to test it, call the dealership and ask if they actually have a Bolt in stock, arrange the test drive ahead of time (requesting that it be fully charged so that you can do an _extended_ test drive).
Then confirm it’s still there before you drive there to go test it.

Unless you churn cars it’s a few drives ahead of many years of driving.

Bill
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Bill
Thanks for the suggestions. I have indeed driven a long way to buy a car when the local dealers were unwilling or unable to do an inventory swap to get model and trim I want. My reluctance with the Bolt is that I may not even fit, and I don’t want to spend the better part of a day driving for a test drive that might be over in 10 seconds. I have bought in PA before, and it complicates the purchase a little because the sales tax has to be paid at the Ohio BMV. I’d pay cash, but it might complicate the deal for somebody wanting to finance due to needing a few thousand Dollars in a separate transaction to pay the BMV. There is another aggravation too: I live in an emission test county and Ohio requires cars purchased out of state to pass emissions — but the Bolt is an EV. Thst means the car in question must make trip to the EPA field office to get an emissions waiver based on its VIN plate. Ohio is too stupid to figure out at the BMV registrar that electric cars do not make NOX and hydrocarbon emissions!… Read more »
Kdawg
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Kdawg

This guy is 6’5″ and says he has room in every direction.

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unlucky
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unlucky

It’s crazy how much a thing the seats have become. Mostly from people who have no experience with them.

Yes, they are narrower than most. No, it’s not really an issue for most people. I take groups of people to lunch about once a week. No one has ever said anything about the front seats except “how to I move this forward to make more space in the back” to which I reply “don’t bother, there’s no need, there’s plenty of space in back”. They say this because they saw how small the car is on the outside but once they’ve sat in the back they realize it’s not necessary to move the seat if you’re in front.

Nix
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Nix

There was a photograph in a recent story comparing the Bolt and Volt that showed them side by side. It gives a very good visual for exactly how much taller the Bolt is than the Volt. It really is significantly taller than the Volt, which many 6+ foot folks say they also fit into without any problems.

Asak
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Asak

Yes, the Bolt has more interior space than the Volt. I really like the Bolt a lot, even though I also like the Volt. The non-aerodynamic shape of the Bolt is actually a plus in a lot of ways, even though it results in less energy economy.

If someone can fit fine in a Volt or a Leaf, the Bolt will not be a problem.

Asak
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Asak

If you don’t have problems in the Leaf, the Bolt won’t be a problem.

Robert Middleswarth
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Robert Middleswarth

In a similar boot. Closest Dealer is 69 miles away. Although it does look like they do actually have one in stock. There are more dealer closers that are EV certified so I expect more will hit my area in the next month.

Asak
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Asak

How tall are you? Unless you’re over 6’4″ I don’t think you’ll have problem with leg room in the Bolt. The Bolt actually is very spacious, even more so than the Leaf, in my experience. And the Leaf was one of the few EVs that passed the “height test”, where I could sit in the front or back seat with another family member in the opposite position. Unfortunately a lot of options like the Spark EV were eliminated due to lack of interior space, but the Bolt wasn’t one of them.

F150 Brian
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F150 Brian

Remember that moving to a 50/50 split in production does not mean more Bolts.

Example: Current 1:2 mix could be 30K Bolts, 60K Sonics.
Future 1:1 mix could be 30K Bolts, 30K Sonics

Bill
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Bill

It only means more Bolts produced if the total production rate stays the same.

One thing we can probably say for sure is that fewer Sonics will be produced

unlucky
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unlucky

One thing you have to remember is how many cars are in transit at a time. It takes up to 5 weeks for a car to get from the factory to the dealer because of how trains work. We saw this with the initial delivery of Bolts. They had to put some on a truck to drive to California to get those deliveries in before the end of 2016 even though they were built at Thanksgiving.

And dealers list cars as available on websites even before they are on the lot.

Bolt is selling well. Maybe not house of fire, since we all wanted every person to realize a 60kWh EV was enough for them. That didn’t happen but it’s still selling well for an EV.

vdiv
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vdiv

Seven new ELRs were sold last month, you think it took them two year to get there? ๐Ÿ˜‰

Nix
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Nix

GM uses the traditional dealer-inventory sales model for the majority of their Bolt sales. By that I mean that GM needs inventory sitting on the lots to choose from in order to successfully make sales.

At a sales rate of 30K/yr, GM would need 5,750 cars on lots as a BARE MINIMUM to facilitate that sales rate.

But GM has intentionally structured their sales release of the Bolt to back-load sales into the second half of the year by slowly opening up more states for sales in different months in the year.

Now it certainly isn’t crazy for GM to back-load Bolt sales, considering that we have all seen the seasonal shift in EV sales towards the 3rd and 4th quarters. We see that in the sales numbers that insideevs publishes every month.

So that 5,750 cars won’t be enough for a 2nd half of the year back-load of sales. For a back-load of national sales (which I believe starts in August??) GM needs 7,225 cars in inventory at a bare minimum.

GM is actually SHORT on inventory for a national rollout at the sales targets they have previously announced.

Murrysville EV
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Murrysville EV

GM is spinning a tale; the number of Bolts per store means nothing.

111 days of inventory tells the real story, and building more inventory won’t help.

Don’t be fooled just because the Bolt is an EV and you want to believe otherwise. GM has the same problem with some of their other vehicles, such as their trucks, the Malibu, Impala, and Camaro.

ffbj
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ffbj

Yep, that’s the way I see it too.

Nix
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Nix

If GM knew they were going to go through a shutdown to reconfigure to increase Bolt manufacturing for export, they most certainly would have intentionally pre-built enough additional inventory to successfully make it through the shutdown.

Let’s be very clear. Too little inventory == lost sales in GM’s sales model. Too little inventory is very, very bad. Car dealerships can’t sell what they don’t have, and that cuts into GM’s sales numbers. Some people may believe that the fewer days on lot the better, but that is not correct. It is a bell curve, with 70 right in the middle of the sweet spot on the bell curve. Too much below 70 and it starts cutting into total sales numbers, just like too much above 70 cuts into per-unit sales profits.

I would be shocked if GM HADN’T intentionally increased inventory to above their 70 day target before shutting down the line for reconfiguration.

JeremyK
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JeremyK

I’ve said this already a few times on other threads.
Bolt sales are increasing, not flat or decreasing.
As of two weeks ago, the Bolt was only available in about 18 states.
Within the next month, it will be available in all 50.
How many Bolts will be required to fill the pipeline for those 32 states? Are the gears starting to turn for you or do you still need help?

Mark C
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Mark C

GM could get all dealers on board for EVs if they said what smart said to their dealers, sell EVs or turn into a Service Only Center.

Obviously, they couldn’t say only EVs, but a kick in the pants would help the holdouts see the light.

Bacardi
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Bacardi

GM really needs to stop with the BS…So every dealership is allowed to sell Bolt EVs right? Nope, not until they pony up tens of thousands for a DCFC…

cars.com, new bolts, all distance there are 5,765…500 miles from 93263 (bakersfield, CA, a common halfway point between San Fran and San Diego) 3,038…Should be noted that while the zip radius includes Vegas, there are no Bolts for sale in Vegas on Cars.com…So over half of all Bolts are in Cali…

unlucky
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unlucky

Half of all Bolts in California makes sense. California has sold half of all the EVs in the US up until now.

GM never said every dealership is allowed to sell Bolts.

‘Divide that by the number of Bolt/certified dealers and we have roughly 6 per store.’

A dealer doesn’t have to spend tens of thousands on a DCFC to be certified to sell Bolts. Delta will sell you a 25kW DCFC for $7500. That’s for the 3-phase version. The single-phase one is $500 more. You should be able to get that installed for $10K I’d think.

Kdawg
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Kdawg

The tooling costs are chump change for a dealership. You would also be crazy if you were a Chevy dealership and you didn’t carry the Motor Trend COTY.

Bill Howland
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ALl I know is nationwide release starts August 1st. Perhaps Cleveland buyers will then get their fair share, and PSA Citroen will start ordering Ampera-e’s and Canada will start getting more of them, – perhaps with a price rise. After all, if Canadians are getting too good of a deal then GM won’t want to sell many there since there is no profit up north at what they are charging currently. If GM corporate wants more than 6% dealer acceptance of the BOLT, they should elminate the more ridiculous of the certification requirements. But I’m not holding my breath – release of that CT6 PHEV PIG is a joke, by their own reluctant admission. The summer, 2015 Cadillac Magazine said the Ct6 PHEV would have a 70 mile all electric range, but the production version they now claim is 30-31, while AutoWeek couldn’t even get as much as 24 out of the pig. The extreme stupidity of the situation is the improved 2016 ELR would have sold far more vehicles than that silly new phev ever will. What did they have? 6 sales of it last month? I’d rather buy a car assembled here anyway. When I view GM doing… Read more »
Asak
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Asak

Trying to sell Bolts and not having a quick charger available seems like a generally bad idea. Sure, if you keep on top of it you might be able to get by with Level 2 (good luck with a wall plug!), but if a car ends up getting low and someone buys it, are you really going to give it to them empty? What if a car has been test driven alot? If you have multiple Bolts on the lot, then I suspect a DCFC is sort of necessary to ensure they are adequately charged.

Bill Howland
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Bill Howland

A bolt is going to do city test driving over 250 miles per day? In city driving the BOLT gets 300 miles per charge, and easily recharges at a wallbox when the dealership is closed.

250 miles per day of test driving would be 1500 miles added to the car per 6 day week, or more than 75,000 miles after the demonstator was around for a year.

Now Get Real please.

Bill Howland
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Bill Howland

“Good luck with a wall plug.”

Many chevy dealers by me have no facilities better than that, even though they sell VOLTS.

But even with a BOLT ev, assuming the avg test drive is 4 miles, would recoup that range in only an hour on a ‘120 cord’.

So again, you are complaining about a problem which doesn’t exist anywhere.

How about worrying about real issues?

Pushmi-Pullyu
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Pushmi-Pullyu

โ€œThe jobs are all set to produce Bolts on a 2 Sonics, 1 Bolt mix. They are changing the mix to a 50/50 split, which requires adjustments.โ€

That may well be true. But it’s a logical fallacy, it’s jumping to a conclusion, to claim this “adjustment” indicates an increase in Bolt EV production. It may mean nothing more than GM is planning to lower Sonic production while maintaining the same volume of Bolt EV production. If so, then that’s a larger percentage of the line’s production of the Bolt EV while maintaining the same output in the actual number of Bolt EV units.

Sadly, the unfounded conclusion given in this and other articles on the subject is another indication of the lack of critical thinking on the part of people reading comments or articles posted to the internet.

Asak
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Asak

I think the key is, unless you’re going to lower Sonic production all the way down to 30K per year, then Bolt production has to increase. Even if the Sonic isn’t selling that well, more than 30K in the U.S. alone is probably still realistic, and then you have Canada and other places. So, in all likelihood I think the odds are the Bolt is getting an increase of at least five to ten thousand, and maybe even as many as fifteen thousand.

Pete Anderson
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Pete Anderson

I am quickly learning that the automotive press publishes as much fake news as does the political press. And I love the way the “Cadillac is dropping the CT6” story goes on days and days after Cadillac contradicts the story. Let me guess, Cadillac must be lying.

iwatson
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iwatson

The two statements from the article (One from the GM employee and the GM official) aren’t necessarily contradictory. If they slow the line after the break and make 500 Bolts a week, they will also make 500 Sonics a week…total of 1000 units a week. The faster pre-break assembly line was making 1500 units a week….1000 sonics and 500 Bolts. Bolt output remains steady and Sonic production is cut in half.

John Lane
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John Lane

I get such a kick about an discussion regarding the Bolt. Ignoring the elephant in the room, or several elephants. GM was planning as I recall, 50k units manufactured, not necessarily sold, per year. Financial experts argue that GM is losing about $6-6.5k per vehicle due to the lack of economies of scale. The next elephant is the Malibu. You walk into a Chevy dealership and notice that a well equipped Malibu costs less than a base Bolt. Game over at that point. Then we have the service issue. There really isn’t one. The same yahoos who can’t figure what it’s wrong with your gas car because they “can’t duplicate it” are the same guys going to work on a vehicle they have no experience with at all?

Then there is brand T, with it’s infrastructure in place and a vehicle which is light years ahead of the Bolt technologically speaking. It would be like comparing a Yugo to a BMW. I long predicted that the Bolt will go the way of the Fiero (which I owned 3 and loved dearly) after five years, if that long before the bean counters pull the plug.