GM Has The Ability* To Produce Up To 90,000 Chevrolet Bolts Annually

NOV 26 2016 BY ERIC LOVEDAY 102

Chevrolet Bolt

Chevrolet Bolt (via InsideEVs reader – MTN Ranger)

With production of the Chevrolet Bolt now underway for a few weeks, we decided to take a brief look at General Motors’ production capability at its Orion Assembly site, home of the Bolt EV and the Chevy Sonic.

Chevrolet Bolt EV on the line in Orion, Michigan

Chevrolet Bolt EV on the line in Orion, Michigan

Currently, the facility is set up so that Bolt EVs can roll down the same final assembly line as the Sonic sedan and hatchback.

The Orion factory is only operating only one shift at the moment and there are no immediate plans to add an additional shift – as shift 2 was discontinued only last January, and excess workers moved to GM’s Hamtramck facility (where the Volt is made, as well as the CT6, Impala and LaCrosse).

But making room for the extra capacity/workers needed for the Bolt EV was also the end of Buick Verano production (~35k in 2016) at Orion (the Verano was based on the now defunct first generation Cruze).

We note that the current single shift in Orion is capable of producing approximately 90,000 vehicles a year, which at the height of the popularity for the Sonic (in 2014), was right-sized to satisfy demand.

Lately however, with falling Sonic demand (sales will likely be in the ~60,000 range when 2016 ends), and the end of the Verano, that means a lot less cars are now being produced.  Enter the Bolt EV.

We’ve further learned that Orion Assembly can alter its product shift as needed, meaning that all Sonics can roll down the line, or all Bolts, or any combination in between. Therefore, the theoretical maximim for the Bolt is 90,000 if allotted as such.. Production won’t reach that level unless the Sonic goes bye-bye and/or the demand for the Bolt soars, but that’s the production cap as it stands.

Chevrolet Bolt EV Interior

Chevrolet Bolt EV Interior

Quoting Automotive News:

“GM redesigned the Orion assembly operation to allow workers to build either Bolts or Sonics and can shift production depending on demand, said Yves Dontigny, launch manager for the Bolt.”

“At one assembly station, after a Sonic body is mated to its gasoline engine and axles, a carrier wheels the battery pack for a Bolt into place. The same workers secure it to a Bolt body hanging on a carrier overhead.”

Right now, it’s being reported that every fourth or fifth car off the line is a Bolt. Production is steadily ramping up and is expected to hit 30,000 or so for all of 2017, but now that we know there’s more capacity in place (provided LG can also provide components and more importantly 60 kWh battery packs at the same pace), perhaps we’ll see 50,000 or so by 2018?

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So GM may be able to assemble 90,000 Bolt ‘gliders’ a year. But the real question is: will they be able to fill them all with the battery packs that need to come from LG?

It sounds like LG Chem can deliver up to 50,000 Bolt packs in 2017. The problem is that I doubt GM can find more than 30-35k Bolt buyers in the same time frame.

Chevy’s reputation for selling small cars with poor build quality is an albatross around the neck that they will be years working out from under.

It is too bad, the Volt is an VERY well built, very reliable car and I would guess that the Bolt will be well built and reliable as well. But you don’t lose a bad reputation overnight.

The Bolt ( Ampera-e ) Will sell 10K i Norway alone IF the dealers get enough car to deliver.

I hope you are right, Atle, and I hope that the GM spokesperson that said last month that up to 50k Bolt deliveries in 2017 were possible, implying but not stating that LG Chem could deliver that many packs. Especially since Eric’s sources think 90,000 Bolts could be built if LG actually can deliver the packs.

I would love to see 50k+ Bolts sell in 2017. More than that would be phenomenal for electric car adoption everywhere. Norway is a special case, they buy more electric cars per capita than just about anywhere and they have built an “institutional knowledge” of electric cars and fast charging networks second to none. If Norway adopted the Bolt in large numbers and 10k would be large, it would be a rather strong endorsement of the Chevy Bolt by an expert audience.

I don’t know where you’re getting your numbers. So far Opel/Vauxhall’s history with Europe looks like this:

Opel/Vauxhall Ampera
2011 303
2012 5270
2013 3198
2014 939
2015 300

Also, you need to consider the price. I see the Bolt for Europe coming in at 40K+ Euro.
10.000 Bolts in Norway alone ?!!
Sure.
Until 2020, it’s possible !

It’s been said before on this site:

“Originally, GM had estimated the first year of Ampera sales in Europe to be around 10,000 – 12,000 units (6,000 for Opel, 4,000 for Vauxhall, 2,000 for the Volt). However, by the time 2012 was in the books, only around 5,500 were sold.

Mr. Girsky noted that the 2012 result, and ongoing demand, for the extended range plug-in were “a disappointment” for General Motors.

This come-clean moment by GM on the Ampera has been a long time coming.”

Not comparable. In the eyes of the most europeans the Volt/Ampera was an overpriced, four-seating “hybrid” (sic). Most looked at the consumption and said “I can get a comparable Diesel for half the price” (pre Diesel poisen cheating went public). Look at low Prius sales in Europe (including PiP) – almost the same with that.

Pure EVs get all the incentives in Europe – completeley different story. Wait for it.

It isn’t that EU potential PHEV buyers decided they wanted diesels instead of the Volt. They just found a PHEV they wanted more. Volt sales tanked in late 2013, just as Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV sales began:

EU Outlander PHEV sales:

2013 8.440 (Sales started in October)
2014 19.980
2015 31.340

In 2015 9326 e-Golfs were registered in Norway. I don’t see 10 000 Ampera-e as an unlikely number if the price is right. Opel Norway is saying that it has sold out its quota for 2017 already, even before the official price has been set.

At the very least. But how many will Opel Norway get? I don’t think anywhere near enough for 2017.

I don’t understand why, if GM has the capacity, they won’t produce enough to meet demand. After all, it’s not a given that they’ll have such a clear category winner for long. The new LEAF, if it exists, the Model 3, and even the 2018 Ioniq which will then finally get some suitable batteries, might all be on the market and offer some real competition. Maybe not the Tesla, but in any case the point stands. Right now they have a clear advantage, and they talk of 30k for 2017 and maybe 50k in 2018?!? It’s so disappointing!

Another Euro point of view

“The problem is that I doubt GM can find more than 30-35k Bolt buyers in the same time frame”.

That I have also no clue, but I am quite sure GM can easily find 30-35K AmperaE buyers per year through Opel in Europe. I read in a French EV site that the first AmperaEto be provided in 2017 in Europe will be to Norway. They are no idiots, they know they can already easily sell around 10K AmperaE in that single tiny market per year. As for the rest of Europe, 20-25K per year should be very easily done. Perhaps not in 2017 but for sure in 2018. Moreover, Opel reputation is OK in Europe. We now have lift off here in Europe for EV’s. In the tiny country where I live they are currently deploying 800 EV charging stations. The country is so small (2.6K square km) that 800 charging stations in Luxembourg is the equivalent of a deployment of 2.9 millions (yes!) charging stations in the USA. I would not be surprised that for each Bolt sold in the US we would have 2 AmperaE sold here in Europe.

What’s pricing in Europe. That’s what killed the Volt/Ampera in Europe…too high a price. Is there some reason to think things will be different this time?

$6 a gallon & nearly x 3 range of a leaf certainly help !

238 miles of range is good enough for people here in the UK as a first or only car.

Alas, it’s not coming here but I would imagine the rest of Europe given it’s shorter travelling distances compared to the US would and good charging infrastructure would be a huge market for it.

The drawback of course is the exchange rate, the $ has been rising against virtually everything and making it more expensive.

That shouldn’t be a huge problem because GM sources major expensive components of Bolt from Korea.

“What’s pricing in Europe. That’s what killed the Volt/Ampera in Europe…too high a price. Is there some reason to think things will be different this time?”

None, really.
As for the 10K Bolts in Norway you can start here:
Base Bolt + $750 for the charger + whatever the winter package costs; change that number from dollars into euros and you’ve got a minimum starting price.

Another Euro point of view

It is indeed difficult to give an estimate for the entire European market as we don’t know the price yet but for Norway it is probably easier. In 2015 VW managed to sell 9K eGolf in Norway alone. The eGolf has a 84 miles range and a price before incentives around EUR 37K. Lets imagine AmperaE to be priced around EUR 40K (equiv. $42K), I can reasonably imagine that selling 10K AmperaE per year in Norway given the 238 miles range (>84 miles for eGolf) should not be a problem at all given the 9K eGolf sold there per year.

The reason for the eGolf selling well in Norway has to do with the VW Golf being the best selling car in the country.
It’s a very nice car, well built and a vehicle you can rely on in those harsh norwegian winters (and not only).

As far as prices go, if I remember well, the eGolf you mention was about $7000 cheaper than the Bolt.
And regarding the 2017 model: “Pricing information is expected to be released closer to the vehicle’s on-sale date.”

I have no ideea about the eGolf price in Europe on either model year.
I can imagine why they charge what they charge in that specific market.
Keep in mind that the norwegians love their Golfs regardless of propulsion type.

No pricing set yet. But the talks have been about under $35k. In the $29k to $35 region is the estimate by Opel dealers according to the information they have received.

And there are over a thousand contracts written already in Norway where buyers are promised a price below $35k and delivery before mid 2017 or the buyer can choose to not honor the contract.

At $35k it would completely thrash the competition in Norway. We are talking possibly 2000+ sales per month in Norway alone.

@people from Europe
Interesting insights thx.

Ohh Noooo what will GM management do if they miscalculated and demand is more than what they want to sell:)

Here’s more “facts”:

GM doesn’t need EV credits in the EU.
If GM is selling EVs in the EU, it’s only for profit.
As far as I know the Ampera-E will be manufactured in the US for Opel and shipped over the Atlantic. The reason for doing that and also cutting up to 10% of the price (as some allude to) eludes me 😉

Because the price they are asking in the US is higher than it needs to be. Likely in part to limit demand since they can only produce around 50k a number we have been hearing over and over again. Likely a limit in Battery supply. If they made it cheaper they likely would be dealing with delivery problems for years until LG Chem could get it battery production higher to support the demand. I expect the price of the Bolt will go down around 5k in 2018 and another 5k in 2019.

I am referring to their model years not actually years.

It is nice to hear that Luxembourg is moving so aggressively to support electric cars. I don’t doubt that a lot of European drivers would like to drive an electric car, but I am not sure that the Bolt will be priced to sell in large numbers there.

In the US the main problems that limited Volt sales seemed to be a combination of Chevy’s poor reputation, an initially very high sales price ($40k base model MSRP!) and low gas prices. In Europe I thought the Ampera’s problems were high sales prices and a lack of desire on the part of European car buyers to buy an American car, regardless of the emblem on the hood/bonnet.
But I have to admit that my knowledge of European cars is limited. Most of my time abroad is in Asia, not Europe.

No. Demand should not be a problem for the Bolt right now.

Reliability of Volt by year, per Consumer Reports survey results.

2011 – not enough data
2012 – good
2013 – good
2014 – good
2015 – fair
2016 – poor

Predicted reliability for new 2017 Volts: much worse than average.

I hope GM can straighten out problems with the Gen 2, cause that will definitely hurt sales as word gets out there were so many problems with 2016 Volts.

Ben, quoting Consumer Reports is like quoting the Romanian judge about what the American gymnast scored in the uneven bars. You have to expect a lie. The only question is how much the judge is willing to compromise themself. And the Romanians/Consumer Reports have a decided bias.

That’s bull.

They are the best source of information about long term reliability of car models by year. No contest.

Ben, Consumer reports has spent years extolling the build quality of Toyota and Honda, even though other unbiased sources have noted that their once phenomenal reliability has dropped considerably. I used CR to choose cars back in the day, and bought a pair of lemons in a row, an Accord and a RAV4, both of which were money pits.

They are a good source for the members who bother to fill out a survey.

The Gen2 Volt has been in customer hands just over a year…Look at the Gen2 Volt “problem” section in the gm-volt forums and there are currently 20 problem stickies…

Ziv said:

“It sounds like LG Chem can deliver up to 50,000 Bolt packs in 2017.”

Hmmm, what’s your source for that claim? I know that a GM spokesman, when asked if GM could produce more than 30k Bolts in a year, estimated that they might be able to make as many as 50,000.

But I seriously question that he was talking about how many battery packs LG Chem can make, or how many EV drivetrain LG Electronics’ brand-new new automotive division can produce. I think that, just as with this article, he was talking about how many Bolt gliders GM can make. That is, cars without a battery pack or an EV drivetrain.

LG’s VP Kang said that they would be able to supply in excess of 30,000 packs to GM, possibly up to 50,000 of them, in 2017 in a conference call a couple weeks ago. Then a GM source said the same thing, up to 50,000 Bolts in 2017.
I just don’t see it happening, though. Even with European sales, I don’t think they can sell 50k Bolt in 2017 due to a lack of demand.
I think they will be lucky to sell 30k in the US, and 35k would be a home run for GM. And despite a lot of people saying demand would be high in Europe, I hope so but wouldn’t bet a lot money on it.

Then he must be an idiot. The limit for how many gliders they can make is only of interest to establish how many finished cars they can make and where the bottleneck is. If he says they can make 50k and doesn’t explicitly say it’s anything but finished cars the only reasonable interpretation is that it is indeed finished cars!

GM can sell 100k bolts easily if not 200k at that price point Musk said and I agree T3 orders clearly show, demand is there.

Yes, the battery capacity and the consumer demand are the big questions.

I just don’t think the demand will be there for more than 30,000 in the first place. I hope I’m wrong. If I recall correctly, the first generation Volt was supposed to have a max of 45,000 per year. I was really annoying to myself over that number thinking there would be waiting lists forever. It turns out the demand wasn’t even that high.

I agree with you David….but if the comments above are any indication of the demand in Europe it could be more. Seems like the Ampera (Volt Euro) did poorly in europe because it had such a high price. Is there some reason to believe the same won’t be true with the Amp-e?

Remember, here, we are all EV nerds and geek out over stuff like this. Joe-six-pack.. or European Magnus-six-liter, don’t care or know nearly as much about EVs.

I keep my expectations low for US & Europe.

The Ampera-e should price out a fair margin below that of a Tesla Model S. And it is sized more in line with what Europeans prefer. This is a golden opportunity for GM to provide a big boost for the Opel brand.

The Volt was over $40k base MSRP when it was released. It was 0-60 in 8.9s, and wasn’t super-responsive on the low end. And the Gen 1 was relatively cramped inside and had some poor interior ergonomics. There was also plenty of attack opinion. The Model S didn’t exist.

The Bolt starts at $37.5k. It’s 0-60 in 6.5s. It has a hatchback form factor with a relatively roomy feel for its size. The atmosphere for BEVs is positive and it’s a BEV so the concept is simple to understand.

The Model 3 very quickly got over 300,000 reservations. 2,000 Volts are delivered each month.

The Bolt should have no problem getting 4k to 5k sales per month.

That’s my hope, too.

I really hope — fingers crossed — that the demand for the Bolt will be significantly higher than for the Volt.

The trouble I saw was that the Volt didn’t show up in a lot of dealerships in my area to 2014.

I think globally, for Bolt and Ampera-e, the demand is much greater than that. I hope I’m wrong!! In Norway I’m pretty sure it will be completely impossible to buy one (except “used” at above-new price) in all of 2017. Maybe if I’m wrong and demand elsewhere is low we can get a few more.

I think they’ll easily sell more than 10k here. Granted, people are idiots. Car buyers are people. Right now the BMW i3 94Ah looks to be the most sold car (of any type) in November. I can’t really see anyone wanting to buy the i3 if they can get twice the car for less money.

Maybe I’m wrong. Maybe people are picking up the BMW for its badge, fully aware that the Ampera-e will be cheaper and much better. But I really think that if the Ampera-e was here, it would be giving the BMW a really hard time. It may also convert a whole lot of Model 3 reservation holders like me. And attract quite a few other buyers who wanted to go electric, couldn’t afford a Tesla, and wanted more range.

The problem is it’s still a geeky looking car…Put that drive-train into an AWD Equinox and they wouldn’t be able to keep up with demand…

If wishes were horses then beggars would ride.

I like if wishers were dishers they’d wash themselves.

Actually, it’s probably a lot more. Again, if components are available.

The story says the plant makes 90,000 vehicles a year running one shift. If it ran two shifts it could make more. It is not unrealistic to think that if it ran all 3 shifts it could produce 180,000 a year.

Again, only if there are components available to make them all. And demand of course.

Personally, I think worldwide demand could be 50,000/year. It could even be more if GM wanted to push for government contracts and such around the world.

If LG can supply batteries, GM can sell every Bolt it can assemble — until the Model 3 arrives. After that, the Bolt price will have to drop substantially below Model 3’s $35k starting price.

Gen 1 volt sales were low because the starting msrp was too high so that even when the price came down customers were already scared away. Add in the miss information about leaving you stranded after 40 miles, gas prices falling to all time lows, and uncertainty about a new powertrain and you get lower sales than expected. The car itself was over engineered and will do 500k miles no problem.

The Volt was also the victim of a political campaign, which claimed or at least insinuated that most or all of the GM bailout money went to fund development and production of the Volt. This was of course false from start to finish; the Volt was pretty close to actual production even before GM had its brush with bankruptcy.

Let’s not forget what happened with the Ford Mustang sales back in 1965, Ford expected to sell only 100,000 Mustangs but ended up selling over 400,000. Chevrolet with the Bolt might have a runaway on their hands. The situation is very much different than in 2010 with much more charging infrastructure, much more EV capabilities and much more general knowledge on EVs, 2017 could be a break out sales year for EVs.

Another Euro point of view

“much more charging infrastructure, much more EV capabilities and much more general knowledge”.

And also more incentives as compared to 2010. Germany just started with its EV incentives, Finland will have its (EUR 4K) EV incentive as well. It would be a big (uninformed) mistake at least in Europe to compare the old Volt (Ampera) sales figures with what will be the Bolt (AmperaE) sales figures in 2017, 2018 etc..

I’m just crossing my fingers that “He who shall remain nameless” doesn’t kill the tax credit before next summer. If that happens, we will be looking at a used EV, and an additional battery pack from a wreck. I was hoping to avoid the DIY route.

Trumpety Trumpety Trumpety Trump, Trump Trump Trump !

Just singing !

How nice of you to sing the new US’s Funeral Dirge for us. But I think some of the lyrics are missing…

Didn’t hear, “Conflict of Interest”, “Corruption”, “Boss Tweed”, “Eco-Killer”, or “Putin’s Puppet”.

That US Funeral Dirge is a real Obummer. Here’s another dirge that you might enjoy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aiGg8D4hFLc

Juck..now that requires a palate cleanser:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYyy-dnRbQs

Ouch!!!
That sounded discordant and way too loud!

Even so, it should have been accompanied by military bands, gunfire and sundry explosions.

Oh, and pom-pom girls with nice — er — body parts.

I should quit before my imagination runs away with me!

I get it. Sung to tune of Frosty the Snow Man.
There must have been some magic in the new red hat they found, for when they put it on his head he began to dance around.

Warren said:

“He who shall remain nameless”…

Let’s keep in mind that despite what he seems to think, Lord Voldetrump isn’t King of the USA. Merely the President-elect, and it is Congress who is in control of things like that. With both chambers of Congress in the hands of the GOP, it’s certainly likely they will go along with a lot of Voldetrump’s agenda. But if he thinks they’re going to rubber-stamp everything, he’s in for a very rude awakening.

Politics won’t play a part in the EV future. The survival on GM and Ford are in serious doubt.

Comparing Volt and Bolt is like apples and oranges. Volt is a philosophically flawed product. It is like carrying a 500lb sand bag and $5000 bundle of money in your trunk for the life of the car and using it 10% of the time. Besides the Volt packaging is not good. Poorly packaged cars (except sports cars) never sell in good numbers. Volt doesn’t have decent legroom and headroom for rear passengers, is too low slung, and has a small hatch. Bolt has more legroom and headroom, roof rails, better hatch, and perfect size for Europe. One reason that Tesla Model S selling so well is the packaging. It has great legroom and cargo space is huge, it takes roof racks etc. I think for each Volt GM can sell 5 Amperas in EU.

I could make the exact same argument about a Tesla or Bolt carrying around a huge battery that you only need 10% (or more like 2%) of the time. The engine weighs less and adds much more flexibility.

I disagree, the engine/gas tank/exhaust/transmission together occupy more space than the 20kwh battery capacity that is used occasionally. At least 40kwh in Bolt is used on a regular basis. Also they weigh the same but Bolt weight is better distributed because it is lower. It also has better performance.

“At least 40kwh in Bolt is used on a regular basis.”

—-

Did you just pull that out of thin air? How many sub 40kWh BEVs are out there? (answer = all of them except Tesla). Also there are PHEVs like the Volt that some are driving almost 100% on an 18kWh (or less) battery.

David Murray said:

“I could make the exact same argument about a Tesla or Bolt carrying around a huge battery that you only need 10% (or more like 2%) of the time.”

Then you would be entirely wrong.

A BEV needs a large battery pack every time it accelerates rapidly or climbs a steep grade, and every time you want to fast-charge it. The BEV also needs a battery pack large enough to last the life of the vehicle. If the battery pack were only 10% the size, then you’d have to replace it multiple times over the expected life of the car, and the resale value would be abysmal.

One of the reasons Tesla cars have an exceptionally high resale value is because they have a large enough battery pack to not experience much degradation during the typical length of time the first owner keeps the car.

This is incorrect. You can drive a Volt with an 18kWh battery for 99% of your driving, and for those 1% long trips, you use the range extender. So if you didn’t have a range extender, you could just do the 99% of the driving on the battery. Therefore the extra 42kWh battery is just a “a 500lb sand bag and $5000 bundle of money in your trunk for the life of the car”.

Different strokes for different folks.

It’s really all about values and perspective. One could say that the 60 KWh battery in a Bolt could equip 3 to 4 Volts, and that would display a lot more gasoline (in the short to medium term), which in the end is what matters.

If there was a ceiling to battery supply — if it wasn’t possible to significantly ramp up kWh of production every year — then that would be relevant.

But there isn’t, and it’s not.

We need both BEVs and PHEVs with larger capacity batteries, to better compete with gasmobiles. Calls for parsimony in equipping BEVs and PHEVs with batteries may be well- intentioned, but they are counter-productive.

Any car without a minimum of a 150 miles of range can’t be used in the bulk of the state I live in.

No quick chargers and rural distances along with minimum 30 mile commutes.

I don’t really get your comment. The Volt isn’t selling well because it has only 35.8″ rear passenger headroom. But the Model S is selling well even though it has even less rear passenger headroom at 35.3″.

I’m worried about the Bolt cargo space, it looks tiny behind the rear seats.

Numbers can be misleading. When you sit in the rear seat in a Volt it feels cramped and claustrophobic. In Tesla it is OK. Headroom by itself cannot determine how comfortable is the seat. It is combination of headroom, legroom, seat and backseat angle, height from floor, and shoulder width that determines seat comfort.

Some sets of specs include not just headroom and legroom, but also hip room and shoulder room. All that needs to be considered when comparing passenger space in cars.

But really, one only need glance at the Volt 1.0, close up and personal, to see how small and cramped the passenger cabin is. I hope the Volt 2.0 has more room inside, but I haven’t seen one in person.

The bolt well matches the way average city cars are used, that is, people expect to “fill” their cars only every couple of days or even every week. The sub 100 mile cars were enough to go most days if charged at home, but not able to handle extra errands or other driving.

With home charging, most people will find that they never have to find an on the road charger. And the dirty secret of EVs is that people hate to charge on the road, because even with a quick charger, it means being stuck out somewhere for 30 minutes or more.

Thus I would expect Bolt sales to ramp as people find it is a no-hassle EV and communicate that message to others.

Nobody did the numbers?

30 000 * 60kWh = 1 800 000kWh = 1,8 GWh
90 000 * 60kWh = 5 400 000kWh = 5,4 GWh

Where the heck would LG found extra 3,6GWh?
They simply can’t.

40 000 may be difficult to do, 90 000 is pipe dream. Regardless of GM own capacity, regardless of actual demand, regardless of LG willingness to scale up.

It take years to build new fabs, mines, etc.

Panasonic have all the money/workforce/demand they need and still it will take 5 bilion $ and 5 years to build 36GWh….

LG Chem said they could deliver enough batteries for 50K Bolt EVs.

I think now GM is going to be competing angst the solar storage battery companies for spare battery capacity.

We’d have to know how the supplier contracts were written.

Source?

There was an article here on it. Quote was from LG Chem.

Also Kevin Kelly at GM said they could supply 50k Bolt EVs it demand warranted it. He said there weren’t any constraints.

Kdawg said:

“LG Chem said they could deliver enough batteries for 50K Bolt EVs.”

Citation, please!

Here you go.
http://insideevs.com/general-motors-can-make-50000-chevrolet-bolts-per-year/

Maybe Jay can post the quote from LG chem.. no time to look for it now.

GM and LG Chem should be pulling out all the stops and prepare for exponential growth in Bolt sales … barring some kind of serious problem GM will sell every Bolt they can make … production capacity is the only limit.

Something just dawned on me. With the flat floor and with the rear seats pulled out, the Bolt would make a very nice light delivery or work vehicle. There are a lot of exciting possibilities with this Bolt.

Denmark
It is not even on http://www.opel.dk !

Denmark is one of the least EV friendly countries in Europe. Combine that with being a very small car market and close to no EV market it is very understandable that Denmark is not a priority.

Take away the luxury tax on EVs and you would find that the Bolt would arrive a lot faster.

Remember the dozens (or hundreds – I forget which) of comments which said GM couldn’t possibly make more than 30000/annum and now we find out they can make 90000 in their sleep. If sales demand even more they will make the car on a second production line somewhere else – there is no law stating Orion has to be the only assembly plant. Now, we’ll hear dozens or hundreds of comments about how LG can’t possibly make batteries – even though they are opening at least one huge plant in China – and there is no law stating the battery situation is fixed in perpetuity. If LG has GM in a contractual lock, either LG will make arrangements, or the contract will be renegotiated allowing manufacture of pouches to GM SPEC in an additional facility. In the past with all GM electrified products with the exception of the EV1 (and the case could also be made with the ELR what with that EV hater DeNyschen at the helm), GM was MORE than willing to manufacture whatever number was desired. Of course, the people screaming the loudest that GM doesn’t want to make evs would never lower themselves to actually buying… Read more »

I agree.
It’s pretty clear to me that GM designed the Bolt as mass-producible car, in the sense that there’s a reasonable profit margin in it, and they can scale production if/when the market warrants. In retrospect, this wasn’t quite the case with the Spark EV, which was a combination US-compliance car and large-scale pilot project (including commercial sales).

If it ends up the case that demand for the Bolt is something like 80K-100K/yr the first year, GM will find ways to go beyond the 30K (if that’s what LG is committed to supplying), and make it worth LG’s as well. GM’s not stupid — a successful Bolt means they’ll be in a leading position in the market before Tesla is ready with the Model 3.

Bill Howland said: “Remember the dozens (or hundreds – I forget which) of comments which said GM couldn’t possibly make more than 30000/annum and now we find out they can make 90000 in their sleep.” No one who was both informed and sensible ever claimed that GM couldn’t make significantly more than 30,000 Bolt car bodies per year if it wanted to, even in the first year of production. The limits have always been the ability of LG Chem to make battery packs, and LG Electronics’ ability to make EV drivetrains. Another limit is how many Bolt GM wants to make and sell. Let’s not forget that GM, like all legacy auto makers, has a strong disincentive to make and sell plug-in EVs which will compete with their more profitable gasmobiles. “…there is no law stating the battery situation is fixed in perpetuity. If LG has GM in a contractual lock, either LG will make arrangements, or the contract will be renegotiated allowing manufacture of pouches to GM SPEC in an additional facility.” Of course LG Chem’s production capacity isn’t fixed forever. But unfortunately, they don’t seem to be ramping up production nearly as fast as you’d think they would,… Read more »

You finally did it…. This is one of the few comments you made without a single fact in it. Your track record on your opinions is poor, as I’ve stated previously.

TRAILER HITCH FOR BOLT EV ALREADY AVAILABLE!!!

I just checked one etrailer.com and there are already trailer hitches on sale for the Bolt EV. They are 1-1/4″ hitches rated for 200 lb tongue weight and 2000 lb trailer weight. What’s really surprising is that there is a trailer hiring harness for the Bolt EV also on sale.

The owners manual of the Bolt EV may not list tow ratings but watch for specifications on the Ampere-E, the European model probably will be rated for towing.

OMG this is incredible! Not only is the hitch specifically designed for the Bolt but information specifically states the hitch is designed for light towing! I figured that the aftermarket hitch manufacturers would eventually provide hitch but no way did I expect the hitch even before the car was on the lots.

It looks like the hitch fits on the bumper mounts as opposed to mounting on the frame. That’s the way hitch on my SUV is installed so I half expected the Bolt hitch to be installed that way. There’s a shroud on the Bolt that covers the gap between the rear bumper and the cargo compartment, you’re going to have to cut a hole in this shroud for the hitch to fit.

These hitches can’t just pulled out of a rabbit’s hat, they have to be engineered, tested and certified. The manufacturer of these hitches, Curt must have been working with Chevrolet for months to develop these hitches. I think that when full specs on the Bolt come out we are going to find out that the Bolt is rated for towing.

That’s fantastic! A lot of people will be very pleased.

Are you going to be picking one up with a Bolt? The Bolt would be great for nearby camping with a small pop up trailer. I have to borrow my fathers truck when we use ours which I hate doing.

Do you have a link to the page?

Here is the link, https://www.etrailer.com/hitch-2017_Chevrolet_Bolt+EV.htm. But it’s easy enough to find. Just go to the etrailer.com website and tell it you want to see offerings for the 2017 Chevrolet Bolt EV. Has anyone noticed the etrailer.com adds on insideevs.com lately? I could swear one of the pictures in the add was of the Bolt EV hitch. I wonder if timing for the etrailer.com adds coinsides with introduction of the Bolt EV trailer hitch. In reply to your query, Yes, if(when) I get a Bolt EV one of the first things I’m going to do is put a trailer hitch on it. Right now I have two vehicles not counting my wife’s Fusion Energi, I have a FFE for commuting and an SUV for long hauals and large loads. The Bolt EV with light towing capabilities would replace both my FFE and SUV giving me only one vehicle to maintain. I should define light towing. Several times a year I rent a tiller or an aerator from Home Depot or I have to take loads of tree limbs to the city drop off. These aren’t large loads but you still need a truck or trailer to handle them.

I was right, the picture in the etrailer.com addvertisement IS of the Bolt EV trailer hitch!

It looks like this hitch is so new that they haven’t even completed the installation instructions, file:///C:/Users/Daniel/AppData/Local/Microsoft/Windows/INetCache/IE/GIYQU31D/CM_11457_INS.pdf. The hitch looks very easy to install but you have to cut a 2.25×4.5 hole in the facia (what I was calling a shroud). The installation instructions are specifically for the Bolt EV and states that the gross carrying capacity is 1,000 for the hitch and 100 lbs for the tongue but also states, “DO NOT EXCEED VEHICLE MANUFACTURER’S RECOMMENDED TOWING CAPACITY”.

GM Has The Ability* To Produce Up To 90,000 Chevrolet Bolts Annually”

Hmmm, I submit it would be much more accurate to say that GM has the ability to produce up to 90,000 Bolt gliders annually. That is, cars without a powertrain.

Despite what a lot of GM enthusiasts like to claim, I very seriously doubt that LG Chem can supply significantly more than 30,000 battery packs in the first year of production, and I have serious doubts about the ability of LG Electronics’ brand-spanking-new automotive division to crank out that many EV drivetrains in the coming year.

But hey, if GM wants to try to sell Bolts that have no battery pack in them… good luck with that! 😉

Ability is one thing, desire another, and intention, is yet another.

Having two functional legs, I could run a marathon.
Being out of shape, I’d have to want to train to do it.
But I really have neither the need nor intention to do so.

I drive a used 2011 LEAF around town and have a 15 year old Honda with liability-only insurance that I keep for long trips. So, I do have some experience with the realities of BEV cars. I think the initial estimate for about 30,000-50,000 Bolts per year is reasonable. Remember that charging infrastructure in the US is a large problem. I live in a Cleveland suburb, and there is only one [EVgo owned] public level-3 EVgo charger I am aware of within 20 miles of where I live. Even were I an EVgo member, the cost of using EVgo’s charger prices the energy similar to the cost of gasoline, so there is no long term cost benefit even if level-3 charging is available. If there were more competition in public EVSEs, better prices, and availabilty for a good chance of topping up the battery while shopping, then maybe no home EVSE at all would not be needed. For now, that possibility does not exist. There is a problem for apartment dwellers and to a lesser extent for home renters. Landlords need to be convinced that installing level-2 charging makes their properties more sellable to renters. In this area, renting is… Read more »