Future Nissan LEAF Envisioned With 338 Miles Of Range – Video

JUN 26 2015 BY ERIC LOVEDAY 66

544 KM Of Range

544 km Of Range

The upcoming 2016 Nissan LEAF is expected to get an available 30 kWh battery when it launches this Fall.  This should boost its range to over 100 miles (105 to 110 is what we’re predicting for its EPA rating).  But beyond the 2016 LEAF, it seems there’s much more range coming from Nissan.

Nissan CEO Carlos Ghosn recently spoke in Japan at the 116th Ordinary General Meeting of Shareholders.

Only a small portion of his discussion focused on electric cars and the Nissan LEAF, but it was during this part of his talk that we learned Nissan has improved electric range on its mind.

“This video shows how we (Nissan) envision a routine day” – Carlos Ghosn from Nissan’s 116th Ordinary General Meeting of Shareholders.”

The LEAF discussion begins at the 39-minute mark and gets real interesting at 41:24 where Nissan plays a clip showing a LEAF display with 544 km (338 miles) of range.

Of course, that’s a JC08 figure, which is highly optimistic, but we can quite accurately covert it to a predicted EPA rating.  On the JC08, the 2015 LEAF is rated at 228 km (142 miles), but only 84 miles per the EPA. The readout on the dash of the LEAF in the video says 544 km (presumably on JC08).  That would translate to 200 miles on the EPA cycle.  Still more than double the range of today’s LEAF, but don’t expect 338 miles to be achievable in real-world driving.

We expect the next-generation 2017 Nissan LEAF to boost significantly improved range over today’s model, but will 200 miles be on its EPA sticker?  We sure hope so.

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Sain Elon

This would be great. Nissan. I hereby promise I will buy this car. (If it’s not too ugly or much more expensive)

RS

I don’t think it will be more expensive than todays LEAF, it could even become cheaper because of higher production volume. But I won’t bet on the ugliness, there are still lots of marketing guys, who think EVs only sell, if they don’t look like a car, someone would buy with an ICE engine.

jmollard

Let’s not get ahead of ourselves, the actual message is just one of “vision”. I find the video showing a 544km range Leaf at about 45 minutes. Here is Gosen’s exact words immediately after “With this vision in mind our advanced battery technology research will continue, but we will not wait for its completion to move forward. Later this year you will hear more about our interim steps to increase EV range.”

So all he really says is they want to get to 544km, but this could be 10 years away for all we know. And this has nothing to do with EPA, JC08 or NEDC, that is all just journalistic speculation, exactly the hype Nissan is after. Let us think they are still in the game. In contrast, Tesla already is giving us range, date and price targets. I still put my money Tesla, but glad to see competition.

przemo_li

That is pretty massive class action lawsuit in the makings!

Claiming 100miles more range then is physically possible in driving conditions…

Jeff Songster

What nonsense… I have achieved 100 miles easily by driving reasonably. In town and on country roads. They never claimed you could drive as fast as ‘conditions’ what bull. When the EPA rates ICE cars do you whine and sue them when you cannot achieve maximum rated mpg at 70MPH? No. Sheesh.

przemo_li

Hmm. Probably should have added OVER right there.

That is ads with over 300 miles of range, when drivers will see 200 on good conditions.

Lots of angry drivers there.

BTW EPA is good actually. I was referring to European and especially Japanese testing standards.

Lensman
przemo_li said: “BTW EPA is good actually. I was referring to European and especially Japanese testing standards” European MPG ratings for gasmobiles are also inflated. Uniformly inflated. Even EPA ratings for gasmobile MPG are very nearly uniformly inflated. That’s why the phrase “Your mileage may vary” isn’t just a joke; it’s good advice. Now, I won’t claim that no lawsuits have ever been filed over such claims, or that none have ever been successful. I found a Car & Driver article which says: “Most people don’t drive their cars the way the EPA does, however, which is why Ford, like Hyundai and Kia, is getting sued over fuel-economy claims.” However, so far as I know, Nissan has never been sued over its inflated “100 mile” range rating for the Leaf 1.0, and it’s similarly unlikely the Leaf 2.0 will be successfully sued over a claim for a 200 mile range. And, przemo_li, you are factually incorrect on one point: Some Leaf 1.0 drivers -have- been able to achieve the claimed 100 mile range, or even a bit more. In most cases they achieve it by using hypermiling techniques and/or driving at uniform slow speeds, so it’s not the way most… Read more »

Of course You do, in 2015 leaf with heating on 22 c (outside 10-15) I easily get 1% per mile driven – and that is driving from Brighton to Liverpool – 350 miles. 4 rapid charges – driving about 60 – 65 on eco.

If You want to show off at lights then sorry but there is no car in the world which will achieve its mpg.

I would also like higher range, but I can easily live with current one.Inconvenience of once a month slightly longer trip is little price to pay for participation in development of better world.

And on my daily commute or sightseeing trips I can still enjoy smooth and nippy as hell vehicle.

Michael Johnson

Wow! We are ready. Bring it.

Jeff Songster

I am likewise ready to get one of these. The plan seems to be… better 2016 model that can do over 120 miles on a charge… with a fully backwards compatible battery… hopefully at same or somewhat lower price… and then in 2017 a New LEAF with a range of over 175 to 200 miles a day. Maybe intro the LEAF to home module too to blunt the Tesla Powerwall move. Gonna be a fun next few years!

jimjam

I AM IN! Make it look like a Real car & NOT A Cartoon Car & Your sales Will Go Through the Roof!…

Priusmaniac

How about a Maxima EV.

Londo Bell

Invent a time machine, dial it back to circa 1997-2002, and look for a brand new Nissan Altra EV 😉

As I recall, it was using the same platform of the US Maxima (not body style)…

Priusmaniac

Never sold equals never existed. Otherwise, it indeed could have been an interesting vehicle, although not the same look as the Maxima.

Harry

That’s a lot of bull. My Leaf gets on average about 50 real world miles. That’s it. So if battery capacity doubled and I got 100 real world miles I would be ecstatic. Then I would be able to actually use it for more than just driving around the city.

The reality is that you don’t drive until the battery is completely exhausted. So take 10 to 15 miles out of the equation and the range decreases even more.

MarkSTJ

Wow Harry
My 2012 Leaf gets 70+ per charge with A/C and 60mph (50% of drive). That is after I lost one bar at 30,000 miles. I live in Florida so mostly flat lands.

Harry

My Leaf is a 2011. I lost one bar at 30,000 miles. I usually charge to 80% so I may get a few more miles if go to 100%. But even at 80 miles you still have to leave about 10 miles to safely get you to the next charging station. Which means that you have only about 70 usable miles. That is a far cry from the rating of 100+ miles.

In spite of all that I will never go back to gas again. I can’t wait for the Model 3 to come along. I will be the first in the line up.

In the video Ghosn talks about ample charging infrastructure to over come range anxiety. The point he misses is that people don’t want to charge every 70 miles or so. We want to travel all day and charge after driving well over 200 miles.

Londo Bell
@Harry, I think that you need to have a reality check here. 1st, on your own admission, your LEAF with 1 bar lost can go about 70 miles on full charge. EPA rates the vehicle @ 73 miles on the combo charge back in 2010-2012. That’s actually a pretty accurate representation of the vehicle’s range, don’t you think? Remember the big sticker on the window? Did you check it out? 2nd, How is your driving style? Lead vs light foot? Back in the days, Nissan actually listed the expected range for various driving conditions. Did you take a look at that? And did you know that many drivers were able to achieve over 100+ miles range on 1 charge without using special hypermilling skills (check out the Nissan LEAF forum for details)? Finally, no, not everyone wants to charge after 70 miles, but many have no issue charging after 60 miles either. If you daily driving is over 200 miles, then it’s best to get a hybrid (Regular or Plugin), unless you don’t have issue with QC. Yes, there are limitations on driving purely on electrons, but the benefit of not emitting a drop of gasoline in any condition is… Read more »
Harry

But the fact of the matter is that I am getting far less miles than I expected. Nissan could easily have put a larger batter pack in the Leaf and that would have solved a lot of problems.

Like I said, I will never go back to gas again. I love the electric drive. But the truth of the matter is that I bought a Leaf only because there were no other options, not because it was a great car. If I were doing it today I would buy a KIA. I hate it’s boxy shape but it has better range than the Leaf.

I guess that’s the price we pay for being early adopters and at the forefront of a new technology.

It is wonderful not having to fill up. I call it guilt free driving since I don’t hurt the environment as I drive.

Jelloslug

The ’13 I had would do 80 miles with no problem.

David Murray

How odd.. My Leaf gets exactly what is advertised during the summer, even on the highway. During winter it does drop maybe 15 to 20 miles.

pk

I guess it depends a lot on your winter. I drive my 2015 Leaf between 82 and 95 km round trip depending on whether or not I make it to the gym. This February was one of the coldest in Ontario and I often would make it home with ~5% charge. Most of that is freeway/highway driving at 110 km/hr.
In June I’ve managed to make it home with a 39% charge several times. So the difference with a non thermally managed battery pack is significant.
I did my homework before buying the car and knew that 80 km is about the low end when things get really cold.
My other car is currently still ICE but I’ll likely replace that one with a Volt 2.

Scramjett

That sounds like about what I was getting in my 2011 Leaf. I’m guessing you live in a similar environment as I where there are mostly arterial roads with speed limits of 45 or greater and the majority of drivers are extremely impatient with anyone who only goes the speed limit?

If I white knuckled it, I could get up over 60 miles of range. Although, admittedly, draining the battery down to no bars was not that much of a white knuckle event once I fully understood how much range I really had left.

Jeff Songster

How fast are “real world miles”? How real world are they really? Do real world miles get tickets from the local constabulary? Inquiring minds want to know.

bill howland

Harry that’s a shame….. My ELR if I leave the airconditioning off regularly gets on avg 49 miles. With it on, 45.

And of course as you say I regularly run it to the limit since there is no downside.

A real world 340 mile Leaf would be around 100 kwh. Hopefully there won’t be too long a wait for such a very good product, hopefully, from more than one manufacturer.

I thought for sure that 340 mile roadster would be released by now since there is relatively little to do to bring it about. It seems it was mentioned a few times, and then nothing.

Lensman

Harry said:

“That’s a lot of bull. My Leaf gets on average about 50 real world miles.”

Your experience is clearly an outlier. Perhaps you should talk to some other Leaf owners to figure out what you could do to improve that, because clearly there’s a lot of room for improvement in your driving habits, unless there’s something seriously wrong with your Leaf.

Erik Pritchard

I don’t think 50 miles is an outlier. The large number of Americans and Canadians living with winters will tell you 50 miles is a fair feal-world range. My 2011 does not provide good cabin heat (compared to an ICE) and with my heater running my range can go as low as 40 miles. So unless we exclude a huge chunk of the population, I feel 50 miles is an honest estimate.

MarkSTJ

2017 will have the Gen III, the Bolt, the new Leaf, and maybe one or two more 200+ electrics. Keep the price reasonable and sales could really explode. My lease is up in April 2016. Hope Nissan will work a deal with me to keep me as a customer and not chase me to Tesla.

Harry

You should go to Tesla. It is the only EV company whose stated goal is to change the world. All other companies are getting into EVs because they see dollar signs or because they are forced into it. Besides Tesla is an American company. Any why not support an American company who is leading the charge in the EV world.

Lou Grinzo

Yep, 2017 is shaping up to be the tipping point, the knee in the curve — pick your cliche for “Holy crap! Things are WAAAAY different!!!” and it fits.

And don’t forget that Honda has some sort of EV thingie coming, as mentioned recently on this site. And, I would bet, Toyota takes the EV plunge and announces something within the next six months.

ffbj

I think it’s more like the the global warming temperature map. Most years are warmer and many months are warmer than average). There are slight deviations though the overall curve is always going higher.
So no exact tipping point, but the high volume vehicles will have a big effect in overall adoption of ev’s.

Rick

Lou, you forgot to use the word “singularity”. I love it when you say that. 🙂

Nick

Also, please say “passport”.

LEAF_AU

Hello, my name is Werner Brandes, my voice is my passport. Verify me.

Scramjett

It seems to me that a year or so go, this is what was being said about 2015? Apart from the Gen II Volt and the “surprise” Bolt, 2015 has landed with a thud. I’m not terribly optimistic about 2017 either.

przemo_li

Hmm, Year ago we knew that it will be year of steady peace. Some more models but also some more announcements of new models.

Also, most actuall releases where scheduled for autumn or letter, so nobody expected stellar first half of the year.

Maybe 2-3 years ago people thought differently. But now we are in for change of models phase.

With big improvements coming.

On the other hand EU seam to have good year. So maybe its something specific to USA? (Like lack of some PHEVs that sell strong in EU?)

Scramjett

Possibly. And it is also possible I was thinking of 2 or 3 years ago.

Lensman

Scramjett said:

“It seems to me that a year or so go, this is what was being said about 2015?”

There have been over-optimistic EV enthusiasts proclaiming “This is the year of the EV” ever since 2008, and perhaps even before. Maybe back in the day of the EV1?

But informed opinion certainly hasn’t predicted that 2015 would be a breakout year for the EV revolution. I’m hoping for late 2017 or early 2018, but even there I wouldn’t “bet the farm” on it.

“Patience, Grasshopper.”

Scramjett

LOL, thanks for the Kung Fu clip! Haven’t seen that show in ages! Oh David Carradine.

Incidentally, I had an…experience…today that I think redshifted my perspective. So I think I can be patient now.

Scramjett

That should be “re-shifted.” Stupid autocomplete. Pretty sure I’m not accelerating towards my perspective.

Brian

Actually red shift is acceleration away from the source. So would that mean an acceleration towards a new perspective? 😉

Scramjett

Yes, thank you. I always get them mixed up. 🙂

Greg Brewsaugh

Red-shift (a manifestation of the Doppler effect) requires a relative *velocity* separating the wave source from the observer. While the objects *may* have a relative *changing* velocity (acceleration), a *changing* velocity is not a necessary condition for red-shift.

Londo Bell

The good news here, another 200+ miles EV! Yay! This time, we kind of have the condition of driving situation, but obviously, it can be staged too, so take this as 2 grain of salt (vs the Bolt on just talk only).

What I’m disappointed to see is the decrease in showcasing different EVs from Nissan at this point, versus just few years ago when Andy Palmer was the EV “C” level executive. What Nissan has are cargo van, car, and a “test” cargo truck. What’s missing this year are the SUV, luxury version, and the sports car, vs say, 2 years ago.

Stimpacker

At first, I was gonna do a HOORAY too.

My 2013 Leaf has plenty range for everyday within-city driving. It is my daily driver but it is also my 2nd car coz I still have to have an ICE for the occasionally long distance trip.

A 200-mi Leaf will not change the above scenario unless there is a SuperCharger-like DCFC network. The CHAdeMO installations here in Nor Cal are a joke. Wrong location, single-stall, exorbitant fees, limited availability.

Londo Bell

The problem with charging station placement is more of a political issue, rather than a resource/technology one.

As I’ve stated in another comment, the current business model of station providers is landowner/operator based, meaning, there really is no network, and hence the exact result you are observing. Utility companies need to step in thanks to their huge political power, especially in land acquisition and network distribution, but station providers are fighting hard against that. Think of it this way – why would a company that’s pro-EV will go up against the idea of having MORE charging stations to EV owners?

OTOH, the Tesla model is extremely costly to both EV owners and providers, and WILL NOT WORK (the recent debate on SC network policy “change”).

That becomes a new gridlock on future of EV development.

200 mile EVs from Nissan, Chevrolet and Tesla in 2017-2018 will create a whole new level of awareness and enthusiasm for electrics.

The good and bad news is that 80 mile electrics will become very cheap.

Congratulation 13-14 year old future drivers !!!

Enjoy your first car as a used 40-60 mile range (with degraded battery) for $3000 – $5000.

Mike

Its not the Leaf thats the problem for me. Its the Stealerships who “support” the car.
Like others I drive a Leaf and its pretty good, the best combination of range/price. But I will jump to Tesla as soon as the Model3 ships just to get away from having to deal with untrustworthy dealers.

Scramjett

One of the things I noticed in the video that Eric either missed or chose to ignore in his post was Carlos’ comment about making an announcement “later this year” on a longer range battery. Perhaps an announcement of the next gen Leaf? Or maybe, more likely, a more generic announcement on longer range batteries? In any case, that got my attention.

OT – After watching that video, I’ve come to the conclusion that John Oliver is right…ANYTHING sounds good when accompanied by guitar music!

TOD and rail and renewables seem important

The announcement about “later this year” is likely the official announcement of the 30 kW for the SV and SL 2016 Nissan Leafs coming in fall. There are already screenshots of dealer ordering systems showing 30 kW, still it’s not officially announced by Nissan yet. As Daily Kaiban wrote:

For those who can’t wait, Ghosn added more weight to yesterday’s rumors of a 2016 Nissan Leaf with a larger 30kwh battery. “Later this year,” said Ghosn, “you will hear more about our initial steps to increase EV range.”

http://dailykanban.com/2015/06/carlos-ghosn-promises-nissan-shareholders-ev-with-better-than-ice-rang

Scramjett

Yes, I was thinking that also. But I was also wondering if he would go a step further in that “later this year” announcement by at least giving us a preview of longer range batteries coming down the pipeline.

It’d also be nice if he announced plans for a PHEV Rogue or Pathfinder, but I’m not holding my breath for that one.

TOD and rail and renewables seem important
At least some people think, it’s surprising how there is a blog called InsideEVs (so inside “electric vehicles”), still the electric vehicles transporting the most people are completely ignored, electric railways. The New York City Subway alone transports more than 5 million passengers every weekday. It will still take many years and many vehicles until electric road cars will transport as many people as just the 6000+ electric rail cars of New York City do every day. Rail is very efficient, while nearly all cars stand around unused most of the day. For the people who don’t only care about cars or technology, but about human beings, they recognize that electric cars can improve the situation of human beings, at the same time, lots of other things are needed. Lots of human beings suffer from the negative effects of automobiles, and only some of those negative effects are taken away with electric cars. So some people may think, what is needed is more electric rail, also more non-electric rail where electrification is not necessary, and more comprehensive and more attractive bus service. Also helpful is more transit-oriented development (TOD), so employment, education, retail and housing that’s directly next to rail… Read more »
QCO

I’m a big believer in electric mass transit, and so is just about every big city around the world. And those who travel to London, Hong Kong, Tokyo, Paris… know it works well.

But the preference in America is the “micro-rural” suburban model, which is based on distancing yourself from the neighbors and using personal machines to get around because it is too far to walk anywhere (and too hot in the south).

Eliminating suburbs would do more for the environment than electric cars, but let’s face it, that is simply not going to happen in our lifetimes. Therefore the focus has to be on personal electric transportation devices, whether in the form of BEVs e-bikes or autonomous pods. And that is what InsideEVs is about (more or less).

Lensman

“TOD and rail…” said:

“…for decades city planning was focused on keeping people in dependence of the automobile, and that’s how cities, boroughs, subdivisions were planned.”

It’s clear that you were not raised in America, because clearly you don’t understand how deeply the automobile has become a part of American culture.

Suburbs and ubiquitous paved roads didn’t create demand for the automobile in the USA. You’ve got the tail wagging the dog.

Rather, mass adoption of the automobile is what created demand for suburbs, and made it economically possible for so many Americans to live away from the center of cities and towns.

* * * * *

“Why it’s the Model T Ford made the trouble, made the people wanna go, wanna get, wanna get up and go,

“Seven eight, nine, ten, twelve, fourteen, twenty-two, twenty-three miles to the county seat”

“Yes sir, yes sir”

“Who’s gonna patronize a little bitty two by four kinda store anymore?”

–“Rock Island” from “The Music Man”

Scramjett

To the credit of Jay and the InsideEVs crew, they do a pretty good job covering electric buses. They also occasionally cover electric bicycles (although, I wish they’d expand that a little more). It’d be nice to see some articles on many of the various electric rail and transit systems being developed (CalHSR comes to mind) and we may see it once they become more visible. I used to be optimistic about TOD and rail based transit, but I’ve tamped down on my enthusiasm in recent years. QCO is right. The people in this country are too comfortable with isolation and “micro-rural” suburban communities (a very apt description). They are not interested in doing anything different. The status quo reigns supreme here. Most rail projects (transit or otherwise) get defeated before they even reach the planning stages. Public transit is still predominately seen as charity to the poor and disabled. Until people stop thinking of it that way, nothing will change. I’m not optimistic about people changing that perception, especially after reading this:

http://www.verdexchange.org/news/jaffe-there-will-be-no-shortage-oilgas%E2%80%94%E2%80%98get-over-it%E2%80%99

Mister G

A 200 real world Leaf would be an ICE Civic, Corolla, Altima, Focus killer.

EVer

if its ugly its no consideration, just like the current leaf

Djoni

I’ve said it before, but many people find that Leaf look good.
You just have to wash it from time to time 🙂

ModernMarvelFan

How slow would it be? 0-60mph in 20s?

LOL…

Lensman

Car & Driver rates the current Leaf’s 0-60 time at 10.2 seconds. With a battery pack twice as big and therefore twice the power available, the Leaf 2.0 could be appreciably faster, but a significant improvement on the 0-60 time might require Nissan to put a more powerful motor into the Leaf 2.0.

I don’t think Nissan has much motive to make the Leaf a high performance car. Unlike Tesla, Nissan isn’t aiming at the market for people who want a car that can win stop light drag races. So we might see a modest improvement in acceleration, but probably not a lot.

ModernMarvelFan

10.2 is slow..
With more weight, it will be slower unless powertrain is upgraded…

That includes motors, motor controllers/drive, gear box and battery cooling system…

Lower performance is the cheap route that Nissan likes to take.

The penalty for making EVs higher performance is very low compared with ICE cars…

techguy

Marvel Fan talks a lot of sense there.

Heck if BMW can do hot hatch level performance with the i3, and Merc with the B Class Electric Drive Sport Edition, it shouldn’t take Nismo much to create a Leaf Sport?

ArmenianMama
I’m just wondering and I’m new to this forum/chat – don’t usually do this type of thing but since I’m so new I need some advice. I bought a 2012 Leaf SL with just under 18,000 miles on it. There were 3 bars missing already on the car on the left side. The car was charged and only had 46 miles of range on it when I drove off. I took it home and trickle charged it overnight and was able to get it to a full charge of 80%. It gave me a range of 80 miles to start. As soon as I started driving, the miles deteriorated very quickly. I think I drove a total of 20 miles and the odometer said I only had 45 miles left to drive. I did not have the climate control on at all, windows were rolled down and I was driving on flat city streets the whole time, less than 50 mph. I took it to the dealership to have everything checked, and they performed some type of computer update (some recall item?) and when I got the car back, I noticed that the left side now only has seven bars… Read more »
Djoni

It’s possible.
Have you set your charge capacity to 80% or 100%?

Brian

The rang meter is known by owners as the guess-o-meter (GOM). It is terrible at predicting range even if you always drive exactly the same way. So your initial 80 mile estimate was wrong, and it readjusted as you drove. The only thing wrong with your car is likely the degraded battery, down around 75% of new. The good news is your car may qualify for a warranty replacement for free.

Create an account at mynissanleaf.com and read through the plethora of first hand experiences.