Fully Charged Visits Engie Vehicle-To-Grid Pilot Project: Video

FEB 2 2019 BY MARK KANE 13

Engie seeks how to make V2G cheap and profitable

In one of the latest episodes of Fully Charged, Robert Llewellyn checked out the Vehicle-To-Grid (v2G) system installed by Engie at its head office outside Amsterdam in the Netherlands.

French electric utility company seeks how to implement bi-directional charging with energy storage and solar installations at the lowest possible costs. Ability to use electricity from cars could be profitable for peak shaving (of electricity demand) or handy in case of emergency, but we are not there yet.

In case of demo installation, Engie uses CHAdeMO chargers and Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV (other CHAdeMO-compatible cars also can be connected). As of today, CCS is not yet ready for bi-directional charging, which probably will be a major obstacle in commercialization.

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13 Comments on "Fully Charged Visits Engie Vehicle-To-Grid Pilot Project: Video"

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V2G and V2H should be available of ever plugin car. It was on all the AC PROPULSION T-Zero, Mini-E and Xbox since 2002. They are still working and in use at tge UDel University of Delaware. Lets get the CCS connected next.
Read. http://Www.V2G-101.webs.com

Robbie is soo excitable, do wish he would let the other guy speak and stop with the right right right ad ifinitum.

A good vid but a few details. All you need is a 400 vdc solar string inverter and a control card to turn it on, off and keep the batteries in their spec range and you have V2G. I’ve been doing V2H on my EVs for 26 yrs now just waiting for utilities to get their act together. But with time of day costs, etc one could program a computer card for time, amounts for the solar inverter to run and how deep to discharge, charge that once the utility started sending out price signals it could use those. So no reason this can’t be done at far lower costs now. Making most of it a DC grid is smart saving 10% of the power or so. For a microgrid a DC bus is the way to go too. I do agree EVs will be the main battery grid storage in the world in 15 yrs using V2G. Next good lithium, Tesla, Volt/LG does have longer life if used more, deeper has been proved multiple times to increase cycle numbers so not limited to the number of cycles. Next while I like the lead battery thing as I use to… Read more »
“Saving 10%”. Oh Really? MY SMA inverters (same brand as in the second half of the video) average 96-98% conversion efficiency. Where is the other 6-8% going to come out of which Magic Wand? They’ve been talking about this for years, but these are 2 of the first permanently installed systems. And pretty meager power levels for a commercial building. Ok, they’re fine as long as you can get gov’t or utility grants for fiddling with this stuff. But the fact that no one is making these things in volume proves its just not compelling – unless you live in an area with Confiscatory Electricity rates, of which the USA currently has plenty of those. Now as far as Vehicle to home is concerned (V2H), I use both my ev’s to provide emergency power isolated from the grid during power failures. During emergencies the DECREASE in overall efficiency is acceptable since its gets me out of a jam. I would suppose as batteries in general become cheaper and more robust, the TRIPLE efficiency hit and TRIPLE life-cycle usage will become less of a concern. But judging from others’ comments in the past – there has to be PLENTY of financial… Read more »
Everybody’s solar insolation is different. For North Carolina, I need a simple V2H solution combined with a stand-alone 13kWh battery storage and I could power my home completely with less than 20 cycles annually from my 75kWh EV. I currently use a Myenergi smart EVSE that manages my EV charging with my solar output. I am considering adding a Powerwall2 while the tax credits are still active. I don’t have net metering. Most solar agreements with utilities prohibit the use of storage currently. My agreement is the same though they only pay me a measly 4.5 cents/kWh wholesale rate. I am currently asking them what happens if I break that agreement. I accept that they will no longer pay me for energy put back on the grid (4.5 cents/kWh), but with 13kWh of storage AND a smart EVSE, I think that I can live with the small amount donated back to them. So is there any reason they would sell me power at all? Actually, there is. My ability to do my part toward peak shaving makes me a valid customer even if they lose the revenue. The question is whether they consider this to be true and will they… Read more »

Well Mark you are accepting the efficiency hit since you really do not have Net Metering where you are and you are trying to optimize your solar installation. You take a bit of an efficiency hit with your batteries but you are obviously just trying to maximize your usage and not provide a BONANZA to your Utility.

I’m satisfied with the arrangement I have here with my Utility in Buffalo, NY – as I can make electricity during the day when I don’t need it and just accrue credits – which I’m still working off during these ‘solar-less’ winter months.

If there was no Net Metering here, the expense of Solar would not have been worth it and I would not have done it, since the vast majority of the time I’d just be giving all the free electricity (to them) back to them with no compensation.

State laws differ but if your Utility is a ‘common carrier’ they have to make reasonable access to their facilities if your home is ‘near’ them (within 250 feet or so), which it obviously is.

Agreed. I don’t understand stand why v2g, v2h isn’t just a cheap add-on for existing solar inverters.

The SMA branded inverter in the picture which I also have for my Solar Installation has an Emergency Power hook up that will provide you with up to 1500 watts per inverter of non-sync’d grid-less power.

I had to do something better than that seeing as the appliances in my home all need more than 1500 watts to start, and most power failures are when the panels are snow-covered.

I used enjoy the Fully Charged channel then I saw one of their videos which had a very positive take on fuel cell vehicles. It was sponsored by a natural gas company.

I understand what you mean – their videos are often about showcasing technology, not reviews. They are rarely critical of anything.

Engie is a provider for some of the dirtiest electricity in the Netherlands. And the difference you pay between them and a 100% green energy provider is very small.

Is that true that you don’t need to modify the on board charger for v2g. I thought you did?