Forbes Test Drive Disaster: No Charge Means BMW i3 REx Can’t Cope

AUG 28 2018 BY STEVEN LOVEDAY 170

Just a simple BMW i3 REx test drive, right?

For this Forbes contributor, that was surely not the case. It’s not that he had an issue with the BMW i3 REx as a whole, but rather, the entire experience was a disaster. We can only imagine that this could easily be the case for any prospective EV owner, and sadly, it’s issues like this that could slow electric car adoption. Forbes writes:

It was the best of drives, it was the worst of drives.

We’ve test-driven some electric vehicles we liked and even loved, despite our early Leaf experience of 2012. We think others who want electric vehicles should be able to buy them, we would love to see a nationwide infrastructure of working charging stations, and gently make the transition in the next 10-20 years to all-electric, with internal combustion vehicles available to those who want them.

But this electric car brought us heartache instead of joy, inconvenience instead of making life easier, and more than a fair bit of good old aggravation.

So, what in the heck went wrong?

Well, to be fair, let’s start with the positives. The BMW i3 accelerates quickly, offers a smooth ride, and its polarizing looks aren’t that bad.

Ok, now that we’ve gotten that out of the way, it’s time to share Forbes’ disaster. To start, they couldn’t charge the car, even after visiting two stations. The journalist explains that the charging stations wouldn’t accept the i3s “bar-coded plastic key.” He compares and explains:

“Our gas only works in Chevys. Look up on the web where they gas Fords.”

Turns out one is supposed to exclusively use ChargePoint.com to find the stations capable of juicing your i3. This we did.

Sadly, the ChargePoint station that the test driver eventually found was out of order. However, it took a phone call to learn that there was actually a problem and it wasn’t just operator error. No worries though, the BMW i3 REx has a backup gas range extender. So, they weren’t stranded and could continue with their test drive!

Scratch that … as they started up the first 30-mile incline, the i3 would only hit a top speed of 40 MPH since it’s gas engine is not meant for powering the car over long periods. It functions better as a generator and a safety net in case you can’t charge right away.

Fortunately, Forbes eventually found a ChargePoint station and chilled for four hours while they waited for the i3 to be ready for its test drive.

It turns out that charging was not the only issue they reported. Believe me, once you’re this frustrated and have wasted this much time, everything seems like a problem. Forbes’ other concerns are listed below:

  • You must open the front doors to access the back seat
  • Rear windows do not roll down
  • Doors have no inside pulls, so you must yank the storage compartment or open the window to shut them
  • The shifter and starter are “ill-placed,” “cheap,” and they suck

BMW did reach out to Forbes after this whole mess. We’ve included the representative’s statement below:

“You can think of the Chargepoint card as an Exxon or Shell card for example that would only work at that brand’s charging station. If you went to another branded EV station you could certainly charge the i3 but would need to pay via credit card or check card just like refueling a normal press vehicle at a gas station. The only charging station you could not get to work at all would be a Tesla station as their plugs only fit their cars.” We regret any confusion.

Still, if you understand this EV and the above issues wouldn’t turn you away, there are often fantastic deals on new BMW i3 vehicles that knock off as much as $10,000. However, they’re dependent on location and affiliation. Additionally, prices on used i3s are very competitive.

Source: Forbes

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170 Comments on "Forbes Test Drive Disaster: No Charge Means BMW i3 REx Can’t Cope"

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William

But it has BLUE seat belts, surely that must account for something.

If only the other ICE OEMs could offer different color seatbelts, in their respective EVs, the EV rEVolution would be in full swing!

Well done Forbes, you did it again!

Spoonman.

Wait, it doesn’t have interior door pulls? That can’t be right.

Warren
Wonder why others haven’t complained about finding the door handles?? My 6 year old figured it out on the first try and the reporter can’t? It is actually the only thing you can logically grab to close the door, lol. And instead of a cheap door pull, it is actually contoured into the top of the front and rear door panels. And I love it. It is perfect and convenient to put my phone in the pull area when i don’t want my girl friend from reaching for my phone when its in the center console. Not to mention the AC vent is perfectly located to cool off a warm phone. The windows don’t roll down in the rear? Consider this a 2 door coupe with convenience doors and you will be ecstatic. I personally love the fact that the doors and windows can’t be opened by my small kids. Different strokes for different folks. Does anyone complain about a 911, Camaro, Mustang, BMW, Mercedes, or Audi coupes not having roll down windows in the rear? Such a big problem you can’t anticipate before buying this car, seriously? The i3 range and charging problems? Any network besides Tesla might have… Read more »
DAVID OLSSON

It’s located just next to the handle for opening the door, switches for opening the winodw etc and it has a little light just below to be easy to find…what more to this morron need? A sign and a red blinking arrow?

David Murray

They are wrong about the interior door handles. This is a common issue for people first driving the i3. The handles aren’t where you’d expect them to be. They aren’t obvious. But they are there. You do not have to grab the storage compartment or the window to close it. I could forgive such a mistake for a 3 minute test drive. But if they had it for hours, they should have found the door handles.

Narg

The handles seem painfully obvious to me. Just a bit high on the door though.

Dan F.

The i3 was/is an experiment in materials and design that did not work out in the sense that BMW has decided to go more mainstream in its EV design. From a practical, consumer point of view it is simply overpriced (relative to the market not what it costs to make) for what you get. Does the i3 not accept fast charging or could they just not find one?

Viking79

50 kW charging is standard for models 2015 and later (optional for 2014). The larger battery in recent years has much less taper as well, so doesn’t taper until somewhere above 90% SoC, meaning it actually recharges quickly.

David Green

I3 is certainly a car that had some strange design sacrifices. Amazingly it is also a car that has some brilliant engineering. I drove one of the original REx models, and when the motorcycle engine started, I was glad I chose a Volt instead. It was a great car, right up until that engine started.

Viking79

I can’t even hear the engine running on the highway unless it maxes out. In town it is noticeable if you have your windows cracked. I wonder if there is some variation in this regard as some people complain about this.

The i3 is a much better city car than the Volt, having a very tight turning radius, light weight, shorter, etc. The Volt is better highway cruiser, but gives up so much interior space it is uncomfortable if you are taller.

I coded my i3 Rex to allow hold mode (as it was designed for) in my US car. This makes it very useful for long distance driving. Means I can easily cruise 250 miles to Chicago, Minneapolis, St Louis, etc at 75-80 mph. None of these routes have any CCS stations along the route so it is gas or Tesla only until next year at least when some of the Electrify America stations are in.

David Murray

On the bright side. the range of the i3 is good enough that most people rarely use the REX. But it’s there when you need it.

franky_b

So many things in the Forbes review that doesn’t make sense, EV shouldn’t need to be explain and yet if you buy one you should do a minimum of reading. In Québec, Canada, ChargePoint isn’t much present, so based on that I shouldn’t be able to use my i3. This is so stupid.

As for the REX, I can’t believe, 4 years later we are still talking about this…. well here’s one of my old post regarding my experience. Jump to the REX section. If these guys ran into problems, they were not driving at 40MPH, they were looking at making it failed. And what it doesn’t say is, was it a 2017+ or 2016 or less? The REX isn’t a problem unless you want it to be.

https://sway.office.com/o0Y5ZA6nyNqrvuFM?ref=Link
https://sway.office.com/hGOUPNWHZRQ2pTxJ?ref=Link

Pushmi-Pullyu

Really? And the people who report the i3 REx dropping to 25 MPH when climbing a mountain with a depleted battery (citation below); are those people just making up B.S.?

No, I don’t think so. BMW put a small motorcycle engine into the i3 REx as a range extender. That may be fine for traveling on flat terrain, but clearly they only intended it to provide auxiliary power, allowing you to get to the nearest DCFC station. That’s why the gas tank only holds 1.9 gallons.

The non-REx version of the i3 is a moderately good BEV of a previous generation, altho overpriced and having no better range than an older Leaf. The REx version… well, it has some serious engineering compromises if you try to use it as a PHEV, to put it politely.

See “US i3 Rex dangerous when climbing hills”

http://www.mybmwi3.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=1366&sid=10cde13b7990adf1b9f70fc9d00188b0

franky_b
Have they document their experience like I did, with clear description of the conditions? 4 years, I saw the warning once since that post. And I drove in crazy conditions last winter (-25C, -30C), Eco Pro setting, 65MPH, no problem. Go read fully what I posted. I’m well aware of those “dangerous statement”, where are the details? You get a warning, you see that you are over spending energy in specific conditions. You have a choice, you can slow down a little when it happens and let the REX rebuild that buffer or you can drive stupid and get a drastic slow down. But then again, that’s why in the USA you need to be told to not put your cat in your Microwaves. It’s those same people doing stupid thing with Tesla’s autonomous driving, you should keep you hands on the wheel but “Heyyyyy, nothing stopping me to do something stupid, there’s a warning, I’ll buy something to turn it off” If you try to maintain speed past 70MPH, yup, you will ran into problem. If you try to keep the cabin cool to the point you see ice forming on the tip of your nose in summer time,… Read more »
Pushmi-Pullyu

You must not have read the report I linked to. There was a clear description of the conditions, the location, the state of charge, etc. About the only thing missing was data on the exact amount of altitude change.

For those who can’t be bothered to follow the link, here is part of the report:

I waited on side of road while the engine continued to run (but seemingly not at full load). I did not know how long to wait. After 3-5 minutes, I attempted to merge back into traffic (I was still on an uphill section). The car initially had good power, accelerated to ~40MPH, then crapped out and fell back to 25MPH. I crawled to next turnout and waited 10 mins. That was enough to get me over the next hill and get me on my way.

This wasn’t just annoying. It was dangerous.

I don’t at all see that the driver was doing anything “stupid”. He was expecting that the car be able to perform in extended-range mode as a highway-capable passenger car, and the bald truth is that in some conditions, the i3 REx won’t. That is a fact, and it’s not “EV bashing” to point out the limitations.

(⌐■_■) Trollnonymous

Wasn’t there a lawsuit filed against BMW on this exact issue?

REXisKing

Where’s the video. Doesn’t everyone have an iPhone these days.
Show us how he drove the car, and we’ll show you a reporter attempting to break the i3.

Ron Swanson's Mustache

It’s generally considered unsafe to operate a motor vehicle and a smart phone at the same time.

franky_b

Oh, just so you know, I checked that post, that was before the update. C’mon..

Pushmi-Pullyu

What update? You mean, he had not hacked his i3 REx to enable the “European” mode instead of the more crippled U.S. mode? Yeah, he was using the car as it was sold. Are you actually going to claim that it’s not a real-world driving report if the car hasn’t been hacked to upgrade its extended-range capacity?

REXisKing

Since everyone in the i3 Facebook group knows about this fix and has implemented it, yes. It’s that widely known.

franky_b

There was recall and if you brought you car for services since 2014, they did the update. I got 4 or 5 updates since I got my car in Nov 2014. But then again, you posted something dating back to 2014 and assume nothing was done.

David Murray

And then there are people like me… After years of owning and operating this vehicle under normal daily conditions, I have never encountered this slow-down situation.

REXisKing

US Reporters love to find the statistical outlier and make it “Big News”.
Especially for an EV.

franky_b

they to sell something… need something to get those eyeballs.

franky_b

And you are not an outlier…

(⌐■_■) Trollnonymous

Let’s take the same I drive I see other cars make that don’t have a Hold mode nor does the driver probably know there is one if any. I see older GM Volts, Ford Energi and Plugin Priuses take this drive all the time with no slowness non-stop.

Lost Hills CA to CA Grapevine up to Pyramid Lake

The problem is BMW nor the Stealerships told the customers that in that situation the i3 will dog down to unsafe freeway speeds.
Now imagine how the brand new customers felt when they took that drive for the first time expecting the car to perform just as an ICE or a Prius?……….lol

https://www.consumerreports.org/bmw/bmw-sued-for-i3-electric-cars-sudden-performance-dropoff/

If a Tesla had this problem people would be saying “the car is sold as production with beta software?”

Viking79

Unfortunately the US version as from the factory can be a bit dangerous, but mostly a few problem sample cars that had inaccurate SoC readings, where the car would suddenly die before the REx engine even started in some cases.

It is worth noting that as designed in Europe, the car is quite capable. You enable Hold mode at 75% and can cruise all day at any speed you want, although you will have frequent gas stops (every 45 min – 60 min at highway speeds).

REXisKing

There was also a Recall of this issue by BMW.
So, if there’s no video of the problem and how the driver drove the car than skepticism is warranted.

Warren

The non-Tesla charging network’s main problem is that it is not a network. It is a totally uncoordinated kludge. This has been our only real frustration with owning a Bolt for 14 months. We have averaged a thousand miles a month driving all over the state, but you can’t really leave it! I can’t imagine the disappointment of buyers of the upcoming high end EVs from the old line manufacturers.

Mali

I agree completely. I’ve been an i3 driver for a year. The car is obviously quirky and every review complaining about how it’s quirky do not add anything. But the charging network situation is a mess. Chargers are out of order, or incompatible, or occupied for hours, and that’s just while staying in a high-density EV area. Anyone who’s not willing to be an “early adopter” and handle frustration is going to have a bad experience, and it will be that way for years.

(⌐■_■) Trollnonymous

” the charging network situation is a mess. Chargers are out of order, or incompatible, or occupied for hours, and that’s just while staying in a high-density EV area.”

That’s where the Tesla SC has it’s greatest advantage over the rest.
Even as EA rolls out, they still have a long way to go to catch up.

REXisKing

The BMW i3 REX has no problem driving on the highway at 65 miles per hour. So, their solution actually works too.

(⌐■_■) Trollnonymous

BMW has a DCFC charging solution?
Where???

franky_b

Come to Quebec, you can go East-West, South-North… no problem. Even Tesla’s had to rely on the public network as Tesla lag behind with their network in our province. Different location, different reality.

Also, if each OEM was building their proprietary network like Tesla, that would be the end of EV. Tesla has unique approach to solve a specific problem, a very costly one. Other OEM rely on a standard and support a public, open to all, charging network where cost is shared.

But every time I read this as argument, it’s a false argument.

BTW, BMW is an investor in ChargePoint, indirectly being part of supporting public charging network.

William

“Occupied for hours”, as I sat behind an i3 this morning, that was going from 96% up to 99% during an additional 15 minutes. That was with my Leaf and another Chevy Bolt (Lyft) waiting, at a two handle EVgo FC charging station.

Yes I spent 12 minutes on the FC, going to 80% so the Lyft Bolt could get started.

These FC charging networks are a clogged up mess, with people crawling along at L2 charging speeds, while Leafs and Bolts are trying to cue up.

REXisKing

Charge Point now sends the driver a text message that their car has slowed down it’s charing rate( You’re nearly full ), and you can come pick up the car. When I got there, there was no line for that charger.

tech_heavy

This come down to knowledge and courtesy. Some EV owners don’t know about charge taper when nearing full. Switching to Level 2 doesn’t cost any time below about 8 kW rates, so moving over should be a non-issue.

Gas stations have a similar (but less severe) problem with customers that park at the pump and take 20 minutes picking out a soda from the store.

drpawansharma

Tesla has spoiled people.
Just saw Bjorn fidget around with I-Pace’s user interface,
It was painful to watch.

(⌐■_■) Trollnonymous

Post the link to the video. We want to see.

Tassil A. Altaiz
(⌐■_■) Trollnonymous

lol, that was pretty painful.
😛

He at least admits he’s not familiar with it.

Kim Conrad Jorgensen

Tesla killer😂

bro1999

The review should have been titled “Clueless Journalist Sabatoges Own Test Drive Due To Being a Moron”
Though the complaints of the puny range extender are completely valid.

Warren

Or it might have read “Typical non-EV nut attempts to drive electric car”

Try pulling up to a DC fast charger that is “may or may not be pay to charge”, but has no signage to indicate this, and no way to pay. All it says is “charge complete”, after 10 seconds of charging. Calling tech support is no help. They don’t know what the problem is because they have no way to talk to the billing department.

franky_b

The number of time I had to show how to use DCFC in the last 4 years… 😉 All car models…

Peter Lindley (real name), not fake.

I totally disagree. I own Tesla shares but have NEVER even been near ANY EV. Reading the above article, I can fully appreciate the problems Forbes had. If I was going to buy a new EV, I would go to the test drive/dealer or whatever with no specific knowledge of the vehicle. Case in point, Last year I went to a dealer to look at a Volvo. I had no idea which car I wanted, so I checked them all out. Eventually I settled on a V40, no it’s not an EV, sorry. I had to go on the web to the Volvo forum for how to fill up, hint, Volvo have a weird filler nozzle. I noticed hundreds of V40 owners with the same issue so no, lots of us know little to nothing about a specific car when shopping. No I’m not stupid, I’m actually supposed to have a high IQ, but clearly this does not translate to car shopping.

You should check the Volvo V40 forum and you will see that lots of Volvo owners, inc myself, are obviously too thick to find out first.

Note, my next car is a Model 3 when they get to us.

REXisKing

The same moron’s who can’t handle an i3 would run out of gas in a Toyota Prius.

Boltfan

PEBSWAS – Problem Exists Between Steering Wheel and Seat

John Doe

I tend to think they’re deliberately pretending to make it hard. I’ve never driven an EV in the US though.
But I do drive an i3 several times a week – and come on.. it’s easy. If they’re not kidding, I’d like to see how they cope with everyday challanges and tasks.. Maybe a vehicle is to complex for them.. . and why don’t they read up on a product they’re about to test?

(⌐■_■) Trollnonymous

Sometimes the best test subjects are the ones not familiar with the product.

John Doe

Maybe. . depends on the complexity of the product.

Viking79

I own an i3 Rex, and wouldn’t just send someone off without instruction. It isn’t as easy as you might think if you have never driven one. If my coworkers ask me about it I tell them its shortcomings and ask if they can live with that. EVs won’t sell in volume until these issues are minimized.

franky_b

I don’t agree… I use Valet service, on purpose, I don’t give any instructions, just to if they can figure it out, and you know what, they do (i3 are rare here).

All cars have their quirkyness, I know I would be loss with Tesla “touch the screen for everything everytime” approach, but after a day or two I would figure it out. Then I would see the different adaptors I need to use to charge and I would figure it out too.

hpver

What this proves more than anything is that the charging infrastructure for anything other than a Tesla is still not sufficient for the average driver. I’ve been driving EVs since 2013 and we’ve driven our Bolt almost the entire length of the U.S. west coast on a road trip. But most drivers would not have the patience or want to do the kind of planning we have done (a lot in the early years, less recently even for the west coast trip). Just the fact that I have to have about eight different cards in the glove box for the different charging networks is enough to turn off the average consumer.

franky_b

Depends where you live, but most studies show that over 90% of charging is done at home…

Lou Grinzo

Since 3/2013, I’ve done 100% of my charging at home. But part of the reason for that is the lack of DCFC stations anywhere near me or routes I normally travel.

hpver has a point: Even when stations are available it takes much more planning and hassle to do a long trip in an EV. Most times my wife and I have taken a long trip in a gasoline vehicle, even in areas we don’t know, we don’t bother looking for gas stations in advance. We just wing it, gas up wherever we find a place, and we’ve never come close to running out of fuel. The EV charging infrastructure still isn’t nearly good enough in the US to support that kind of long distance, low hassle driving.

Pushmi-Pullyu

And a few years ago, a survey showed that 55% of PEV (Plug-in EV) drivers had never used a public charging station. So what? What happens when someone does want to drive a PEV past its normal range?

We EV advocates who read IEVs avidly know about the limitations of PEVs, and in many cases we know how to deal with those limitations by advance planning. The average driver is not so well informed, and it’s entirely unreasonable to expect them to know the limitations of current PEVs when no one has bothered to tell them.

(⌐■_■) Trollnonymous

“a survey showed that 55% of PEV (Plug-in EV) drivers had never used a public charging station. So what?”

95% of my charging is NOT at home.

hpver

Sure, but it’s that last 10% that can kill broad adoption (transit advocates have a similar kind of issue with what they call “the last mile”). Tesla seems to have understood this dynamic and solved it, but for the rest of us it remains real.

franky_b

The over 100K$CAN for a Model S, over 60K$CAN for a model 3, that doesn’t impact buyers? That doesn’t send the image EV are not affordable and are for rish people, asked the Toronto Maire…. C’mon And now with a shorter range for the Model 3 (the affordable version) Tesla will have to densify its network.

Fool Cells

I looked at the i3 and then I bought a Volt. The Volt is so much better than the i3, i have no idea why anyone would pay the extra money for the i3.

franky_b

So insightful…. so here my counter argument, I tried a Volt and then bought an i3, the i3 is so much better. I have no idea why someone would pay so much for so little range.

But I could actually say my I prefer the i3 (faster charging at home, actual DCFC charging, more range, doesn’t run the REX when it’s a little cold outside, more interior space, smaller turning radius, better outward view, quicker… and I could go on and on why it’s better for me) and it’s not because I (or you) prefer a car that it makes it “better”

Brian D

To be fair, for the i3 with REX, the cheapest brand new one I can find within a couple hundred miles of me, the dealer wants $52,000. That’s literally $20,000 more than the cheapest Volt I can find (ignoring the tax credit on both cars, to be fair). Even if you argue the i3 comes with a lot more stuff standard, and pick a loaded Volt against a base model i3 REX, there’s still about a $12,000 spread. I don’t feel they compete against each other any more than a BMW 3 series competes against a Ford Fusion. Similar technology, vastly different price = not going to be cross shopped by hardly anyone at all.

Yes the i3 is technologically superior, but I would expect it for the extra cost. A $52,000 i3 is much more likely to be cross shopped against a Model 3.

William

There are huge ($10k +) BMW i3 discounts off of MSRP out in the wild. A little investigative research can save a potential buyer quite a bundle.

Will

My employer have 10k off BMW discount. Not counting the tax credit use off the lease and price wrangling

Get Real

And for the price the Model 3 beats it hands down.

alohart

Not for those of us who prefer a light, compact, rust-free hatchback. Nothing currently beats a Model 3 for those who prefer a 5-passenger sedan with great tech. However, that’s a decreasing percentage of vehicle purchasers.

tester

I think the number of people who prefer a 5-passenger sedan with great tech is FAR larger than those that would consider an effectively 2-door, 4 passenger compact car with strange size tires made by a single manufacturer and kept in stock locally by exactly no one.

And July’s sales numbers are showing this quite clearly to be the case, even at a far higher out-the-door price.

–Fellow i3 owner.

3laine

If you just compare MSRP, maybe, but in the real world, the i3 is much cheaper than a Model 3.

franky_b

Don’t know how you get to 20K$, in 2014, if I wanted a comparably equipped Volt, the difference was 10K$, with slow charging at home (i3 is more then double the rate of the Volt), DCFC, etc… and I don’t feel cramped in the car. Those figures may vary from market to market, but in Canada where we don’t get those crazy deals you get in the USA, the difference wasn’t that much and was worth what I was getting.

In today’s world, I would cross shop the Kona with the Model 3 and would probably go for the Kona. More bang for the money. But since I have an i3, I can wait a few more years, skip a generation and still drive almost 100% electric worry free.

Will

So you don’t how to take money off the hood. Incentives, tax credit and price wriggling? Then you suck as a car buyer

WARREN

+100.
funny how people Overlook the fact that the I3 has double the range of the Volt. And the I3 is not handicapped by the locatations of charging stations and slower charging rates of the Bolt.

franky_b

And now, the i3 with REX allows you to skip a DCFC when there is a line up of desperate EV waiting after a Leaf 2018 at its second fast charge

Loboc

2019 Volt has 7.4Kw charger. Just sayin’.

Viking79

That only took 9 years 😉

It is great they finally offer that as an upgrade. Although you technically don’t need it having a gas engine, it makes it way nicer when you can drive 50 miles EV only, and do the same thing 2 hours later. Great for people that run a lot of errands, recharge, go out again. My wife uses our Clarity PHEV that way and she gets a lot more EV only miles with it being 7.2 kW instead of 3.6.

franky_b

As an option…. 9 years later…

Will

Not out yet

William L

i3 has 2 years of free EVgo L3 charging.

William

DCFC L3 charging is almost mandatory, for someone who can’t always count on charging at home, or at work.

Will

No for emergency situation. Like if work sends to other location to fix whatever

Matthew Kennel

I own a i3. Here are my reasons:

1) the interior feels better and is more elegant
2) the performance on electric is better
3) the electric range is bigger
4) it is lighter
5) it has better electrical efficiency (mpgE)
6) faster charging

Reasons to prefer a volt;
1) more gas range & gasoline mpg
2) more conventional tires
3) lower initial cost (depending on local incentives)
4) probably lower out of warranty cost

The Volt is the best PHEV however and a good choice for those that would need to dip into the gas range frequently. Obviously coding the hold on ReX is a must—I knew about it before purchase. WIthout that its utility is limited.

Mark.ca

“probably lower out of warranty cost”
Ah…come on now! “probably”?

WARREN

In California, the 15yr/150k warranty on most EV components of the irex sounds great to me.

Mark.ca

“most EV components”
I thought that was covering the battery alone…
You do realize the rex has gas too, right?

franky_b

They have a better coverage in the USA.

franky_b

Life long, I get 35MPG (7L/100Km) on the REX, but more 40MPG (6L/100Km) on the last 2 years on the dedicated REX portion, that’s close to Volt MPG, right? But then again I used the REX only on 4% of my total mileage. With Volt I would have use a lot more gas, a lot more often.

I didn’t code mine (I must be crazy, right?)

Will

Kinda of Frankie B

Vexar

Forbes has done better reviews in the past. Here’s their review of a Palm OS – enabled phone from Kyocera:
https://www.forbes.com/2002/06/24/0624tentech.html

When you have unprofessionals do unprofessional reviews, you get what you pay for: a fiasco.
The question remains: was it deliberate?

William

Or, just plain blatantly irresponsible?

franky_b

It was uninformed and inaccurate.

Nix

This sounds story-boarded ahead of time for the intended results.

ffbj

Ha! Allusion to Dickens.

Mark.ca

If there was to be a disaster review for the i3 it had to come from Forbes. I have read so much crap coming from them lately about alt energy that I’m at the point where I ignore them completely. The backup extender is just that, a backup! The car is an ev so drive on electric.

(⌐■_■) Trollnonymous

I originally hated the i3. Then I went to carmax to kill time and they had one with a rex, so I test drove it.
Felt like a solid car and I was very close to buying it. What stopped me was the green sticker it had ends this Dec 31. Other than that it’s a fine used purchase for $20K.

Apexerman

If one is interested in utilizing the single occupancy HOV in California with a used electric car, there are caveats. Yes, the current program ceases at the end of this year, but if your car was registered in the program in 2017 or 2018, you can re-enroll in the new program starting 2019. However, pre-2017 cars are not eligible to re-enroll unless they haven’t been registered before. At least that’s the way we’ve interpreted the rules. Our 2015 model wasn’t registered prior to our purchase, so we registered this year and received a sticker. Technically we should be able to re-enroll in 2019. I suppose we’ll find out in January! I’d recommend further research if interested.

JoeInTheUK

The main problem here seems to be the BMW handover people that gave zero instructions to the driver about the key card for charging.

franky_b

Not the experience I got 4 years ago, the BMW Genius actually go through that at delivery.

Fast_flash

I drive a i3 Rex (in San Diego) and am surprised by this review. At least in my area, there are plenty of Chargepoint charging stations. I have never used the level 2 charger to charge at my house. I just fast charge 5 minutes away. It takes half an hour to get 110 miles. I’ve had to wait (10-15 minutes) fewer than 5 times. I haven’t spent any $ on gas in over a year and all the charging’s been free, too. I like the car (though it took a while to overcome the polarizing looks). I agree with the assessment about the suicide doors being inconvenient at times and 100% agree that the rear windows should be able to open. Still somewhat surprised at how helpless this test driver appears to be; perhaps trying to understand how chargers work prior to attempting to drive an electric car might have helped? I’d wager that –if you have available infrastructure your learning curve will likely be a lot less steep than this fellow’s.

Bill Howland

Ok, then I get that there was essentially nothing wrong with the I3 Rex.

I was a bit concerned about winter driving, since I had THOUGHT that the resistance heater was all it had, and that it would suck 10 horsepower from the 35 horsepower engine just to run it.

I’ve since found out that when the water-cooled engine Is running, the car will use Jacket Heat and shut the resistance heater off.

I’ve felt much more positively about the I3 Rex since I learned that little detail. Most people can deal with 35 hp in emergencies

Viking79

The car only uses electric heat, it wastes the heat from the REX. Very unfortunate. I was researching that somewhere else (I think FB Group).

RPadTV

What’s the problem with the shifter and starter? I didn’t mind them at all after driving an i3 for 13 months.

WARREN

Actually looks like a pretty quality piece to me. It is lighted and has a good feel. And it is very simple to use. Tester must of has a simple mind.

=j

Automotive journalists instinctively fear change. Especially when the change does not ape the established tropes. The shifter used to be on the floor, because that was where the transmission was. The transmission has moved around, and most don’t even have a direct connection to the shifter anymore. Manufacturers can leave it on the floor because “that is the way we have always done it” or they can move it to some unobtrusive part of the cabin.

Apexerman

It’s a shame the reviewer had such a poor experience. My wife and I still love our 2015 i3 after several months of ownership. The car has been problem-free and fun to drive. ChargePoint and EvGo work fine for us. So far, Level 1 power takes care of primary charging at night. And in REx mode, we can still maintain highway speeds. And since I’m a designer, I happen to think the car makes a singular design statement that’s surprisingly fresh after many years. I’d buy another one.

dingdong dell

Why go to all the bother of reviewing a car thats already been on the market for 4 years?

James

This car has been available for close to 5 years. Opening the the front door to get the rear is nothing new. Complaining about the rear windows not going down shows lack of product research, it is like asking if it can tow 10,000 lbs like a F-150 ( I know a Ford truck can tow more.) This car has a universal level 2 port, use another charger other than Chargepoint. I had a 2014 and you are not limited to 40mph when power from batteries are exhausted. You can’t maintain 80mph, 55mph all day. Why don’t you post a video of 40 mph with the Rex on? B.S.

Vinay R

Some reason Big ICE maker brands thinks they have been making cars for years so If they decide to make EV , they will just do it, but not that easy, Tesla has been refining their car for over 10 years.

Will

They are idiots

DAVID OLSSON

Is this a joke? taken from the onion? XD

Nicholas Miller

This is a ridiculous article. We have an i3 Rex and it is a fantastic car. The journalists should have familiarized themselves with the car and the charging options and opportunities before they set off. If they had used a DC charging station, they could have charged the car up in 20 minutes. As for not being able to find the door pulls 🙄. RTFM.

tech_heavy

I don’t like to judge the book by the cover, but the guy that reviewed this for Forbes doesn’t look like he can figure out how to charge a car, or close a door without help.
https://www.instagram.com/p/BlTQAhanF_h/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

Danny Hernandez

I own a BMW i3 Rex. There is no 40mph limit when using gas. Ive driven it quite a few times at 80mph on gas with 4% power. Now finding a working EV station can be challenging at times, but its not impossible. As for the card to activate the stations, all you need is a smart phone. Also, there are a few apps that rely on user input that help you find other EV stations, it’s proven to be extremely useful. The BMW i3 Rex is awesome with the right driver behind the wheel .

WARREN

And all this nonsense about it not selling well. If you look at only the US, but not globally. As per the UK article, it is one of the EVS showing the most Internet traffic interest.

JMB

Did a 500 mile trip in my i3S Rex..we have.two years free charging with EVgo DCFC and ChargePoin+…Only one BMW dealer we stopped at had a malfunctioning DCFC and all I can say is shame on them… But in NE we had many charging alternatives…

I owned i3’s since 2014…also TSLA…you have to know what your doing and take time to learn..its a new era and it will be great..cleaner air, safer cars, less accidents, and no gasoline!!!

Ron Swanson's Mustache

“You must open the front doors to access the back seat”

This complaint makes no sense, because that’s exactly how coach doors on a vehicle are designed to work. For example, this is how the doors on the Honda Element function. If the rear doors opened independent of the front door, they’d be suicide doors, which represent a safety/liability issue that no car maker is going to take on.

dxtr

And some pickup trucks, which they sell many more of than the i3.

Steve Heywood

Lazy journalism… on the payroll of the oil companies or ICE manufacturers I expect… maybe try speaking to the many who have done tens of thousands of trouble free miles…

tech_heavy

You left out the part where the “reviewer” say’s “Th’ heck with it, we said – we’d just run the i3 on gas for the entire week’s test and see how we fared. Yes, the gas part of the vehicle is supposed to be a last-minute solution for when you run out of electricity, to get you home or to your next charge. But we also didn’t feel like driving to yet another charge station and having to figure out if it was operational or not.”

He was straight-up serious thinking he’d drive an electric car for a week without charging – and go up a mountain with an empty battery? Is this the average user of the car? No. Not even close. EV users know they need to charge their cars, and they know where to find chargers or ways to plug in to 120 V overnight.

What an idiot.

Tony Marco

Since this stated comment “Doors have no inside pulls, so you must yank the storage compartment or open the window to shut them” is completely bullsh*t and rest of the review is the same !

This car is fantastic and I’ve never had mine go A MAXIMUM OF 40 MPH on ANY incline!

Jeff

“You must open the front doors to access the back seat” – That’s the case with ALL cars with rear doors that hinge in the C pillar. Honda Element, Saturn Ion, Mazda RX8.

“Rear windows do not roll down” – That’s also the case with a lot of coupe and hatches, including Fiat 500, Mini Cooper 2 door hatch, VW Golf (I don’t consider the little push out window “opening” . Also, Audi A5 rear window doesn’t open.

“Doors have no inside pulls, so you must yank the storage compartment or open the window to shut them” – as others pointed out, location wasn’t apparent, but it’s still there.

“The shifter and starter are “ill-placed,” “cheap,” and they suck” – That’s like saying the Porsche starter is ill placed, or Saab for that matter. Might I add that the Mini Cooper and Tesla Model 3 has very ill placed instrument panels… in the middle of the front dash. Last thing you want is your in-laws seeing at how fast you’re driving, right?

Dan

It’s not the I3 that will slow the electric transistion. It’s this type of bought and paid for “article”. The I3 has been my only car for the last two years and 25,000 miles. I’ve never experienced any of these issues, but then, I didn’t have the problem seeing the door handle right in front of my face.

Anthony Mitchell

Love my I3 Rex, great room, acceleration and safety

Fadi Said

this whole article is misleading .. and the issues you mentioned are actually not issues at all .. charging stations is just a matter of what can be used and cant be used .. not a problem with the car it self .. also i found that the suicide doors are kinda cool .. door handles are located under the window .. just look closely ..Rex is a perfect solution for range anxiety and sure its not designed to run the car for long distances or fast speeds .. gear lever is futuristic and is way better than other boring electric cars.

so however wrote this article .. sure has problems with BMW’s as a whole.

BS

What a imbeciles. I own my Rex for 4 year and never had a problem with charging. As a matter of fact 440 volts took me only 50 minutes. Shame and misleading publicity.

Will

Throw this review in The garbage and flame war her Forbes article