First Tesla Supercharger Version 3.0 To Go Live On Wednesday

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MAR 3 2019 BY ERIC LOVEDAY 42

We’re now just a few days away from the opening of the very first Tesla Supercharger Version 3.0.

Tesla CEO Elon Musk says it opens up this Wednesday. This new, higher-powered Supercharger will enhance the long-distance travel capabilities of Tesla vehicles.

Musk made the announcement just a few moments ago via Twitter. We’ve embedded his tweet below:

We presume that all newer Tesla vehicles will be able to suck down a whole lot more juice at the new Supercharger 3.0. However, the actual outputs of these units is not yet known. Nor do we know which particular Teslas will be able to charge at the highest rates. We do suspect that the Tesla Model 3 will benefit the most from these new Superchargers though.

In related news, Tesla will officially unveil the Tesla Model Y on March 14.

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42 Comments on "First Tesla Supercharger Version 3.0 To Go Live On Wednesday"

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Moshe, The Electric Israeli

WOW. That will be awesome.

Will only work in the S&X with the new top of the range battery. They need to make the S&X the flagships again.

Battery charging is an important item, but it isn’t the ONLY thing that sets the S and X apart from the 3.

no, but I would expect that S/X will be modified soon

They need it to work with all of their cars, now I can see modifications to the new S and X packs that perhaps allow them to stay at a higher rate of charge for a longer period but no way does Tesla want to restrict charger to individual models that’s a waste of infrastructure.

I think all S and X models got the new battery technology already in the Model 3 last week, and the range was not changed on a few S and X not to give away the news. I expect a software update later this week should open up more range for S and X models. Understanding that the V3 Superchargers have to handle the new Roadster with 600 miles of range at a below 30 minute charging time, which should have the same cells as the Model 3, S and X.

I think Tesla will at minimum match what Charge America offers via CCS.

Musk said previously it would not do 350 kW because that would “frag the battery”.

2C charging is very high, but probably doable with today’s batteries. I think the 1st 60 kWh Model S’s to pull over 100kW, so about 1.75C, so with another 5 years of development, 2C isn’t crazy. That would limit the Model S and X to 200kW, the Model 3 to 160kW and the new roadster to 400kW. These levels would quickly drop due to heat buildup, though. Still 100 miles of range in 10 minutes sounds pretty nice.

Been stated many times that the S & X will stay with the 18650 battery cells for some time yet. All production of 2170 cells are taken up in Model 3 and any extra go to the power wall products. Highly unlikely S & X will have software upgrade to increase capacity. But it does make sense that the large 100kwh packs in the S & X are candidates for the higher charge rate, but LR Model 3 too.

I have been told a few times on here, and Electrek, that the Model S and Model X will receive the same chemistry improvements from Model 3, and maybe packing changes and cooling changes as well.
While that still wouldn’t give MS/X the additional packing efficiency that Model 3 enjoys, it would come close.
I have a feeling that we might see a 420 mile Model S this year…

The 18650 is just the dimensions of the cell. The chemistry can be updated without changing the dimensions. Changing the dimensions requires a battery pack and possibly a vehicle underbody redesign. Changing the chemistry most likely only requires a software redesign which is easier to do.

In documents filed with the EPA back when the Model 3 was first coming out, it was discovered that the Model 3 can handle nearly twice as much DC power compared to the then-current Superchargers. I believe the limit was about 250kw.

I would guess it works with newer versions of all models, but who knows.

It will put pressure on the competition
Will it capable of matching CCS AT 350kW? Anyway in Europe it is CCS for supercharger as well.
Tesla cars need to be able to match top power output. Otherwise what’s the point.
Let see what Elon has in store

CCS 350 kW is 800V, so not possible for Tesla vehicles right now. But 175 kW @ 400V would already be almost 50% more and that‘s what CCS could deliver to Tesla vehicles in Europe.

350KW is possible even with 400 Volts, you need twice the current, so you need bigger cable and make sure connectors can handle that much current, it will most likely be less efficient, but possible.

Sure it’s possible, I just wanted to say what is possible with CCS right now, for a 400 V pack.

At some point lifting the cable might become a problem, but you could easily change with 1 MW at 400 V.

AFAIK there is diminishing returns when you increase the power because as you increase the power you also increase the inefficiencies. There’s also the affect that a high powered charger will begin to taper much quicker than a lower powered charger. Thus if you calculate the time to charge a car from 0 to 80% on 350kW and compare to the same on a 175kW, I’m fairly sure that the 350kW won’t be twice as fast. Yes, it will be faster but not twice as fast.

At these still somewhat limited power levels, the only thing engineers need to do to counter the increased inefficiencies, at least as far as the battery pack goes, is simply to give the pack more capacity. The charge rate, or “C” rate, is proportional to the battery pack’s capacity.

Now, competition will continue to drive down charge times, to what I expect will be at least 300 miles of range at an 80% charge in 10 minutes, or even less, using a charger providing power at around 1.2-1.4 MW. That might well require better battery cells, with lower internal resistance, to avoid overheating.

We have seen several cases of batteries with much lower resistance being charged much faster in laboratory conditions. I hope that we’ll eventually see that characteristic in commercial EV batteries.

The C rate is independent of the battery packs capacity, not proportional. But I think that’s what you meant, right?

In general I think increasing C rates would be the best way forward, because you don’t need more active material in a cell, like you would if you increased energy density.

And 200-300 miles is enough for daily driving, if you can recharge fast enough, wherever you want. An EV can be charged at home, so a 600 mile range is pointless. I can’t go 600 miles without a break, so why should my car? But I don’t always need a 30-40 minute break, so my car shouldn’t too.

Currently no cars are capable of charging at 350 kW, so yes it may be possible that a Tesla charging on V3 superchargers may be the highest power output.

When you compare miles of charge per minute, Tesla will likely be even better. Because right now Tesla is the only car maker with the magic mix of fast charging AND high efficiency AND large battery. All 3 of which are required for high miles per minute and range between charging location. And that’s the point of fast charging — going as far as fast as possible with the least amount of time stopping for charging.

Porsche Taycan will support 350kW. Available this year.

With all five supercharger stations… yep.

Elon and JB suggested closer to 240kW on investor calls, as there are tradeoffs associated with going higher.

Will they really let Model 3 beat Model S/X on charging rate?

I expected a new S/X battery pack architecture concurrent with Supercharger v3. I guess it’s still possible, but all the recent S/X positioning/pricing changes say otherwise.

Model 3 beats the S/X in many ways already. They’re old designs.

the model 3 charges about 100MPH faster the the S already

Big news, loading up on calls Monday!

My biggest question is what the power split will be on the 2 connectors. With higher power it is possible that cars that are currently limited to 120 kW might be able to draw full 120 kW at the same time.

It better be 1.21 gigawatts, or I will be disappointed!!!

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Wondering where it is. We’ve had a few new activations here in San Diego over the past months. Latest one is pending any day too in Del Mar (One Paseo complex) as they just had grand opening event of the complex on Friday.

Probably in Europe or in China. They have the bigger plugs…

I think 120 kW is enough since Tesla tapers very quickly (relative to SparkEV), and 80% power is only about 50 kW. More power is pretty useless (for now). Maybe CCS compatibility?

How do the Tesla’s charging taper compare to all the top selling cars? Tesla charging charts here:
TM3: https://forum.abetterrouteplanner.com/blogs/entry/13-model-3-consumption-and-charging/
P.S. Not sure the SparkEV experimental/alpha/ZEV car is a valid comparison (based on length of time and amount sold).

Really hope the V3 supercharger comes with dual CCS Tesla plugs and they switch to CCS in the US too. That would future proof their cars and give them a permanent charging infrastructure advantage (public + superchargers)

CCS capable Model 3 in Europe so far only managed 126kW, but there was the runour that the long range version could do more. Don’t need to wait for SC 3.0 to try it out, quite a few highspeed charging station around in Western Europe these days.

Maximum charging capacity will be 240 kW.

What I fail to understand is why model 3 with CCS in Europe has trouble to maintain 120 kW charge if it is supposed to be able to support even higher power charges. Will it be 150 kW for a few minutes and then 120 and then 60? Maybe we should focus of 0-80 charging time instead of maximum power output…

It is not supposed to support even higher power charges….

The M3 supports 120 KW charging to around 55%, but also takes into account the battery condition. A “cold soaked” battery, will use some of the charge rate to heat up the battery, before it can get up to around 120 KW.

Having a charge rate of 120 KW up to 55%, makes the M3 much faster to charge than any other EV on the market right now.

Having it at 170 KW (supposedly it’s max rate) up to 55%, will make it even faster, so yes, the S3 standard will speed things up even more.

It’ll kill the batteries, they don’t care about their customers….oh wait it’s about Tesla.