First Public 175 kW Chargers (350 kW From Spring 2018) Now Open In Europe

DEC 25 2017 BY MARK KANE 31

On December 21, Allego announced the installation of Europe’s first public ultra-fast charging station in Kleinostheim near Frankfurt, Germany, just off the A3 motorway.

Under the Ultra-E projec,t a total of 21 stations will be installed throughout the Netherlands, Belgium and Germany – right up to the Austrian border.

Allego

We initially associate ultra-fast charging with a rate of 350 kW, but it’s not in this case…or at least not yet.

Allego has installed 4 EVTRONIC chargers (with CCS Combo plugs) rated at 175 kW each. The 350 kW power level (for two cars simultaneously) is to be available after an upgrade in Spring 2018.

There is also a multi-standard 50 kW unit on site.

175 kW is the highest level for charging cars available publicly. Because there are four stalls, and an upcoming undefined upgrade to 350 kW, we are now looking forward to EVs that can handle such a high power rate – and are awaiting those first reports from users.

“As of today, Europe has its first publicly accessible ‘ultra-fast charger point’. This new generation of fast charging stations is part of a transnational network of pioneering charging technology. Allego is currently equipping a corridor that runs through the Netherlands, Belgium and Germany right up to the Austrian border with 21 ultra-fast charging stations. These enable upcoming models of long range electric cars to charge a range of 100 kilometres in five minutes.

The first fast chargers are now operational in Kleinostheim near by Frankfurt am Main, Germany, near the A3 motorway. The four ultra-fast chargers are located at the Aschaffenburg-West exit on Saaläcker Strasse. Four e-cars can be charged simultaneously at the stations, initially with 175 kW. I n the spring of 2018, the charging stations will be upgraded to enable up to 350 kW to be charged at two of the four connections – making for even faster charging. The facilities at the station will be supplemented with an additional multi-standard 50kW charger. The new ‘Ultra-E’ charging stations will be erected at intervals of 150 to 200 kilometres, in the immediate vicinity of motorway exits. More stations will follow, the next one in Bernau am Chiemsee, Southeast Germany.

From the summer of 2018, destinations on the corridor from the Dutch coast to the Austrian border will be more easily accessible in an e-car. ‘We are delighted to be setting a milestone for future electro-mobility in Europe with this new generation of fast chargers,’ says Allego COO Ulf Schulte. The ultra-fast charging stations are designed to accommodate many current and future types of e-car. They are particularly suited to the new long range e-cars that will be available from 2018. With these new ultra-fast chargers, Allego is supplementing its existing fast charging network of 250 50kW charging stations, making it a pioneer in Europe. ‘Interoperability comes as standard at Allego. We support all the current charging cards and access apps, enabling anyone to charge their e-car at Allego and quickly be on their way,’ says Schulte. ‘It is thanks chiefly to our working relationships with our numerous partners that we are able to offer this comprehensive service.’

The ‘Ultra-E’ project is funded by an alliance of energy companies, vehicle manufacturers, automotive suppliers, a roaming platform and public institutions. Besides Allego BV, which acts as coordinator, Audi AG, BMW i, Renault Magna, Bayern Innovativ, Hubject, Smatrics and Verbund AG are also involved. A total budget of EUR 13 million is available for the expansion of the ‘Ultra-E’ corridor, which is part-financed by the European Union’s ‘Connecting Europe Facility’.”

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31 Comments on "First Public 175 kW Chargers (350 kW From Spring 2018) Now Open In Europe"

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what cars can handle 175kw?
tesla?

If they only had a CCS port…

No cars can handle that yet. Including Teslas.

But they will come. 🙂

This is great but I’d like the 50 kW starting to be upgraded to 100 or 150 kW.
No cars on the roads can even charge at 100 kW up to 80%.

ioniq ev can take 100kw. Don’t of it is to 80% but at 50kw it charge up to 94% at that speed

I bet, there won’t be any 350kw cars for at least five more years.
The germans are currently building infrastructure for nonexistent cars to solve imaginary problems (the idiotic 15min charging goal) while there is an urgent need for infrastructure for the many cars already on the road (that they are ignoring).
They are either total idiots or they are smartly avoiding to take effective actions to increase EV usage. Their next trick will most likely be to label EVs as “expensive toys for rich hippies”…

The car charger is NOT 350 KW.
It is 175 KW.
The charging post does 2 cars, so they are calling it 350 KW.
Not impressed.

If you take a look at the picture, you see that every charge post has a single cable serving a single car at 350 A max. With the peak voltage of 500 V this makes a theoretical 175 kW.
The 350 kW rate is then reached by increasing the voltage to 1000 V, which only cars can use that have a high voltage battery with approx. 800 V rated voltage (hint: Porsche Mission E). In reality (if the battery can take the power) this might result in real charging power of 250 to 280 kW.

Where do you see 350A on this picture? When I look at webpages of EVTRONIC chargers, there is only model with 200A CCS PhoenixContact connector and with the output voltage up to 950V. So I would not wonder if the real power was only 400V * 200A = 80kW and the 175kW is only calculation for 200A*900V. This makes me more sense because in future they will simply add power module in paralel for 400A*900V. But everything is possible.

Just read the effing article. It says currently 175kW upgrading to 350kW next year. Nothing says 350 split over 2 cars.

I guess you did not read the piece. Clearly it says 175. As to not been impressed, that is not the objective. These stations are for cars to be built yet like Porsche and Jaguar models.

Oh ye of little faith. And a small mind.

Nobody should pay any attention to what you and I am driving today. For new chargers rolled out now, this is exactly right – equip them for 175 kW today and make sure you can upgrade to 350 kW at low cost.

More EVs will be sold in the last few months of the next five-year period than the accumulated sales of EVs until today. You are screaming for more horse stables at a time when cars are starting to catch on.

To claim there are no batteries on the market that can take even 100 kW is just silly. Not only does Tesla already do it, the KIA Soul for example can take 70 kW in the 28 kWh pack! That means a 56 kWh pack from the same cells could take 140 kW. And these cells aren’t even new.

It’s not going to be a problem. And because there is a lot of overhead involved in establishing charging sites, building more 50 kW infrastructure would be penny-wise but pound-stupid.

Porsche mission e shall handle 300-350 kw, starting sales in 2019?

From 2018 new generations of EVs will come, and during the next few years more EVs will benefit from faster charging.

This is going quick, and infrastructure has to come sometimes.

Better to prepare for the future, then to play catch up later.

No matter what car you connect to this, it will feed your EV with what it can handle.

As the number of EVs rise, quicker charging is important to prevent owners waiting for ever. This is especially important to customers that can not charge at home or work.

Not a single car will be able to use this power. These chargers can deliver up to 350 A and a maximum of 500 V, the theoretical product of these numbers is 175 kW.

A battery can take high current, when it is near empty, but then the voltage is low per definition. At higher SOC the voltage (and the power) increases, but at a certain level the current begins to taper. This is the point that marks the maximum power.

Currently the most capable CCS car ( Hyundai Ionic) can charge at 175 A up to a voltage of approx. 385 V, this is 67 kW.

Modern Tesla Superchargers are already able to deliver 145 kW (applying the same logic as above), but the best that todays Teslas can accept is 120 kW.

Supposedly model 3 could accept more but the max I have seen published was 110kW.

Jaguar I pace could be interesting on this ?

There are already several cara underway that can utilize more than 50kw. These cars are already on the roads as prototypes…

E-tron
I-pace
Leaf 60kwh
E-mission
Kona/Niro 60kwh.
Various VW ID vehicles

Several of these cars are on german roads today. read german registration statistics and you will see that both Audi and Porsche have pure electrics on the road today.

Thanks for confefe that up.

You forgot the Hyundai Ionic, the only model sold in “volume” in Germany.

Leaf 60 kWh is probably Chademo, as all the Leafs including the 2018 40 kWh model? German laws (the famous LSV) massively discourages the usage of Chademo, so these stations only have one 50 kW Chademo plug, while they have 5 CCS, 4 of them at 175 kW.

So assuming someone pulled up with a ‘175 kw compatible car’ and started charging, what is the cost?

It’s .7 euro/kWh.

Well, there are certain aspects I like about Allego… their pricing is not one of them 🙁
Just double checked the pricing for the fast charger in Waarloos/Belgium:
Regular: .39 €/kWh
Fast: .69 €/kWh + .25 €/min after 30min
incl. VAT
… Honestly, I didn’t know the kWh cost was that high for my last percentages of charge (luckily I don’t have to fast charge often… and my employer pays for charging in Belgium)

It’s not cheap. +/- 10,50 € per 100 km. I would gladly pay that price if it just works. To be honest, I have almost no need for rapid chargers. 2/3 times a year so, don’t really care about price. Here in Portugal, things are still being run by the government. Still free for now but, you just know they will make you pay in the end, with poor service as a bonus. Hope I’m wrong.

Actually, I’ve done research this year on rates that the most widespread DCFC providers worldwide charge, and depending on what the speed of charging is, the average is between $0.54 and $0.68 per kWh.

Funny how the 125 kW superchargers makes the Tesla fanboys claim everyone else is hopelessly behind but when someone then launches 175 kW chargers suddenly they are useless, will never be used, no car will ever handle it and so on…

Useless for Tesla and all other brands at the moment. But that will change egg or chicken?

Still soon to be 350 watt or maybe even 700 watt who knows. Important? No most EVs are charged at home or at work at a slow pace.

You are setting up some straw men arguments there.

Actually, using the same method of rating, Tesla’s Superchargers are already 185 kW with 500 volts x 370 amps. But we don’t typically discuss that number because no Tesla currently shipping Tesla vehicle can actually charge at that rate. In other words, the existing Supercharging network is ahead of this 175 kW charging standard… Tesla’s Superchargers already can handle at least 370 amps.

These 175 kW EVSE’s get that rating with 500 volts x 350 amps. But no current vehicle charges at that voltage, nor amperage. An Ampera-E will still charge at a peak of ~155 amps and achieve a peak of 56 kW or so. No current pack can take 175 kW, and even if they could take the 350 amps, the peak voltage at the peak charging c-rate is likely around 365 volts… which means it’s 128 kW. And Tesla vehicles already charge near that rate.

So really, nothing to see here yet… will be interesting to see the top charging rate of a Jaguar I-Pace in the coming summer, and then other vehicles at the end of the year.

So 21 175KW chargers; what happens if they’re all occupied at the same time? Will all charger produce the 175KW rate or will they slow down like they do at superchargers?

In a nutshell, even if the speed is cut in half, you can still obtain a “meaningful” charging session…

Well, 21*175= I think they will slow down. But yeah, like you said, even if the speed is cut in half, still great

Oh, wait, 21 stations. 4 stalls.

Good catch…

ReRead and it does even state in the article “4 EVTRONIC chargers (with CCS Combo plugs) rated at 175 kW each. The 350 kW power level (for two cars simultaneously)”…

So it does appears it’s capable of 175KW at each charger/stall…

Hummm ok so around $USD 1/kwh. Pretty pricey.

One thing’s for sure – they won’t be ‘overused’ since only people who REALLY NEED to use them, will use them.