Fastned Readies For A Future Where Everyone Drives Electric Cars

NOV 5 2015 BY MARK KANE 27

Fastned chargers awaiting installation

Fastned chargers awaiting installation

The ECOreport recently released an interesting interview with Fastned co-founder Michiel Langezaal, who sees the current stage of the EV market as phase one.

Phase two is to have 5-10% market share for EVs, while phase three will be mass adoption.

Langezaal said that Fastned is moving in the right direction with growing usage and revenues. A sign of future growth is the waiting lines to Tesla Superchargers (available only to Tesla cars).

“Every light is green. There is no red light, or even yellow signal. Revenues are growing; usage of the network is growing. The signs that we see at the Tesla superchargers – waiting lines – are indications of what we will see in the coming year at Fastned as well. We have to work hard on procuring permits, building the infrastructure and finance it.”

According to Langezaal, the Netherlands, which is the starting country for Fastned, will have from 160,000 to 300,000 electric cars on the roads by 2020. The higher number is claimed to be achievable if government adopts incentives, while the lower forecast is for no incentives.

Fastned is also in talks with Germany’s Ministry of infrastructure and is considering nationwide networks in France, Belgium, Switzerland and Austria during phase two.

A more detailed outlook of the three-phase plan was presented in an earlier blog post.

Fastned vision of a pan-European network of stations with next generation ±150 kW fast chargers

Fastned vision of a pan-European network of stations with next generation ±150 kW fast chargers

Source: The ECOreport

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If everyone does drive a EV then that is going to cause some massive upheaval in the OPEC nations. In that now a lot of the OPEC nations are having to cut back on the massive wealth fare payments that they gave out to their populations during the era of $100 dollar barrel oil. The EV’s will instead keep a massive weight down on oil prices.

If they’re smart, they’ll diversify before that becomes an issue.

If not, several countries will look the same as they did before oil was discovered there.

IMO people will pay for charging at a higher price, they will pay gasoline equivalent rates.

I would pay gas equivalent rates, when 200 Mile range EV become available, and fast 100KW DC charging is available.

I want to support the creation and maintenance of that network.

I don’t have the ability to charge an EV at home.

They probably won’t ever pay gasoline-equivalent rates, although that heavily depends on the what that gasoline cost is. The obvious reason for that is that cost of generating electricity will continue to go down as more and better solar comes online. Same can’t be said for finite resources that need to be extracted.

Unsubsidized solar is already reaching parity in many countries and PV panels are only 22% efficient. At the next evolutionary step in efficiency, all hell is going to break loose in resource-based energy production. Prepare accordingly.

“Oil is going to become uncompetitive at low prices before it becomes scarce at high prices.” – Amory Lovins

Honestly I don’t see any demand for these networks once battery range reaches +200 miles with the exception of long distance vacation travel. As it is, according to the 3 year, 8300 vehicle, 125 million mile study of ev charging behavior, 98% of charging happens at home or work- that means only 2% is occurring at these massive charging networks everyone says we need for mass market adoption. http://avt.inel.gov/pdf/arra/SummaryReport.pdf

Honestly I doubt I would ever use one. First the financials make no sense at all. Let’s see, do I want to drive out of my way and pay 11.80 for 20 kwh at the commercial charging station, or do i want to fill up overnight at home and pay 2.20? Most people would rather pay 2.20 than 11.80 to fill up- especially when the lower price is at home where your car just sits anyway.

The bigger the battery range gets, the less need there will be for these stations. Once range hits 200+ miles I expect that the 2% of charging that occurs at them now to drop to under 1%.

By your logic, more expensive gas stations at the Autobahn would never exist, because the gas car has lot of range and gas at the gas station in your home or work city is cheaper.

I see comments about fast chargers not being needed as much when there are 200 mile EV’s. But I don’t think that is going to be the case. The current EV’s that are around now will continue to use the chargers that exist now. Second gen EV’s will come and be used to go even further than EV’s now by using fast chargers. It’s human nature to want more and push toward the limits.

Exactly.
Quick/fast charging stations will never constitute the majority of charigng points, but there is certainly a need for an overall network for them.
Virtually all people I know have favored petrol stations for their standard week-mileage, based on a combination of price/location/pleasantness/non-petrol amenities such as a carwash.

In contrast, none of those people tend to plan out the exact point they’ll stop for petrol during long-distance trips, simply assuming there’ll be stations at whatever point they’ll be wanting to stop for food/bathroom break/sightsee etc.

There are exceptions to this, like Western Australis where stations are sometimes 300km apart, but they’re pretty rare.

@Counter-Strike I believe the autobahn would be an example of the exception being long distance travel that I mentioned in the beginning of my post. I don’t know what the behavior for purchasing gas is in Germany or Europe, but I can tell you that here in SoCal people will go out of their way to save 2 cents on a gallon of gas. You have two gas stations on opposite corners of the street, one advertising 3.27 a gal, the other 3.29 a gal, invariably the one that’s 2 cents cheaper will have lines of cars waiting to fill up and the other will have no line. Given that behavior for gas, I cannot see any difference for peoples unwillingness to pay more to fill up their EV.. Why would you pay 4-5 times more to fill up your EV unless you absolutely had to (ie on a rare long road trip that is beyond the range of your battery)? And the economics here are exactly as I described. I can fill up my 500e for 0.59/kwh at the local Blink network near my work, or I can fill up at home between 10p-8a on SCE’s Residential TOU plan… Read more »

For me personaly that would be true. I hardly do roadtrips exeeding 150 miles – maybe twice a year. What about the lines at Teslas stations? Well, it’s free to charge there and there is always demand when something is for free. Our regular 50kW DCFC is about to become something like 0.50€ a minute, so something you only do when you need to.

That’s expensive they are ripping you off. Fastned has plans to tackle this problem. You can see the details on their website (in English) but it comes down to the more you charge the less you pay.

15 bucks per charge seems to be much, but if you do it twice a month, it’s better than fastneds 100 bucks monthly flat fee…

0.50€/minute is equal to 0.6€/kWh if you can charge the full rate of 50kW. If you charge twice a month 20kWh = 40kWh/month, you pay 24€/month.

Without any monthly fee fastnet is 0.79€/kWh –> 32€/month
Fastnet with 12€/month rate is only 0.35€/kWh –> 26€/month.
Fastnet unlimited for 99€. –> 99€/month

depends on the rate of usage, fastnet seems to be equal if you use it seldom (40kWh/month). Please see my comment above.

If you use it seldom the price is irrelevant. With normal usage the price becomes logical, and with extreme usage it’s never more then two tanks of gas. Not sure what else you want actually.

My comment is regarding your statement that the price for DC-Charging is to high.

If you say that fastnet is acceptable, you have to admit that a proce of 0.50€/minute at a 50kW charger is not ripping of! because Fastnet cost the same if you charge less than 48kWh/month. How can one company be acceptable and a other be ripping you of, if they result in the same price?

If EV’s become mainstream, even 2% if only 2% of km’s will be on fast charge, that will be more than enough to sustain it. With a margin of 0,1 euro per kWh the annual gross margin would be:
100 billion car km * 2% * 0,1 euro = 200 million euro.

This network is very cheap. Total cost is around 40 million, or 6 euros per DUtch household. So there is even room for more.

And you forget that only 25% of Dutch households can park their car at their own ground. For on-street parking citizen, many problems will arise. When 300 kW fast charging becomes possible, charging your battery is much like filling your tank.

And 300 kW fast charging will HAVE to come, as the majority of people are bad planners. They don’t plan ahead, but only start thinking about charging when the ‘battery low’ light comes on.

Just another idea that popped into my mind after I hit the submit button….

Maybe there is a future in which autonomous vehicles simply take care of charging themselves. They drive to a nearby (wireless) charging station and negotiate access with other cars. That will increase the usage of costly slow charging infrastructure which is now mostly occupied by cars that have finished charging. The slow charging network also can be less dense in such a scenario, since the car will make the detour after dropping off the occupants at their destination.

“will have from 160,000 to 300,000 electric cars on the roads by 2020. The higher number is claimed to be achievable if government adopts incentives, while the lower forecast is for no incentives.”

So, incentives account for about 87.5% increase in sales forecast…

I guess EVs aren’t ready for prime time yet.

60 Miles or 107 miles, these cars need workplace charging, along with home, condo, and apartment charging, even before public charging, are the yet incomplete infrastructure elements that need to be dealt with as step one.

In town public charging at malls, theatres, etc. are nice extras, but it seems connecting city pairs with fast charging would be next. That, followed by a National Interstate Highway Charging plan, seems the way this should be developed.

Realistically, commuter cars need home charging and even on-street charging doesn’t have _technical_ obstacles if the demand is sufficient.

It will be interesting to see which fast charge companies in the US will begin to install 100 kW fast chargers along highways starting in maybe 2 years.

Fast charging is a game changer making EV life much easier. It eliminates anxiety. once you put your butt in an EV you don’t want to go back to gas. Having quick charging a la Tesla Supercharger style, is a game changer, many of us EV users are waiting for a model 3 (or model 3 SUV). No other manufacturer have yet to figure out how important is the countrywide charging network.

If current gasoline stations installed fast charging units, problem solved.

Yes I can see Chevron and BP jumping to support EV’s by installing Fast chargers at all their gas stations- right about the time it starts snowing in Hell….