Fast Charge Corridor From Berlin To Munich Now Complete (update)

NOV 17 2015 BY MARK KANE 31

Combo charger

Combo charger

Fast Charge Corridor From Berlin To Munich Now Complete

Fast Charge Corridor From Berlin To Munich Now Complete

Berlin to Munich A9 highway just received its eighth DC fast charger upgraded to a multi-unit (50kW DC CCS, 50kW DC CHAdeMO and 43kW AC), sponsored by the German government under the “Electromobility Connects” project – which was completed at the end of October.

BMW, E.ON and Siemens were all engaged in the installations, and chose 50 kW DC combo chargers with additional 22 kW AC (3-phase).

Chargers are stretched over 430 kilometers (267 miles), so every EV currently on sale today should be able to make it down this stretch of A9.

Chargers are available for those who are willing to pay through the SMS payment system.  Original pricing structure:

  • €3 ($3.3) per 10 minutes DC
  • €2 ($2.2) per 30 minutes AC

Update (via InsideEVs reader Adrian W):  Now complete, the program ownership has been transferred to a private investor from Netherlands, and pricing has changed (higher/more market aligned) somewhat depending on the unit/which RFID card / roaming partner you use.

Update 2 (via Cavaron): New pricing is reportedly ~50 cents/minute

Source: Green Car Congress, Hat tip to Adrian W and Cavaron!

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offib

Ughh… Even the Germans aren’t bright enough for sustainable pricing. I at least thought they would be a role model for ESB!

Micke Larsson

Average electricity price in Germany is €0,30 per kWh. 10 minutes of 50 kW power will give you 8⅓ kWh. That would cost €2,5.

So charging €3 for €2,5 of electricity + station cost + parking spot cost + administrative costs etc. is definitely not sustainable. The only question is how much more it should cost to cover it all.

SparkEV

I doubt they’d paying average price. What is baseline or wholesale pricing, and would that cover their butts?

Jim

On highway, fast charging usually costs more than regular residential electricity price. Off-peak slow charging can be much cheaper.

SparkEV

I guess it’s different than in US where commercial and industrial can negotiate the rate with utility for better rates. That’s too bad. Germans…

Micke Larsson

To be fair, the German industrial average is €0,11 per kWh. Which makes ~€0,92 for that time.

But the main point (which get a little bit less dramatic with these numbers) is that it’s everything else than the electricity that is really the cost, not to mention that the company owning the station would generally want a fair share of profit also.

Charging on the road will never be cheap if paying a fair market price.

heisenberght

…and to be really fair we also mention the spot market price for electricity at EPEX:

Over the last 31days: Fluctuating between:
max 80€/MWh
min -16€/MWh

Numbers speak louder than words 😉

SparkEV

min -16€/MWh? Do they pay you to use electricity?

Micke Larsson

Negative price + incentives = Still profitable. It’s the sign of a very disturbed market.

Just_Chris

Yes, the German grid has to take RE when it is produced so at times of high supply and low demand the spot price goes negative high demand low production things are reversed with price spikes. I think the re generators get a fix price for their power regardless of the spot price. If you have a controlled load big enough to play the spot price market then you can have all sorts of fun.

SparkEV

It sounds like there’s room to make some good money with storage (hint hint) 🙂

Micke Larsson

And the spot price that is about 25% of the total price for the end consumer.

Just_Chris
IMO the whole fast charge thing needs a re-think. If the charging station cost $50,000 and you pay $0.5 per min you need 70 continuous days (1600 hrs) of charging to pay back the hardware if you assume the power, maintenance, profit, etc. is 50% of that value you need 140 days continuous charging (3400 hrs) which is nearly 14,000 15 min charges or 7-8 charges per day for 5 years. If an average of 90% of charging is done at home or work that leaves 10% public charging 35-45 public charges per year. Assuming that all of those are 15 min fast charges an average year would be around 11.25 hrs over one year or 56.25 over 5. So if you want to pay back a fast charger over 5 years it will need to service around 250 cars per charger or cost a lot less than $50k or people will need to use it more or the amount of money needed to maintain the station would need to be much less. All of these numbers can change but I just think the margin is too thin to sustain a fast charging company. I also don’t think the numbers… Read more »
Cavaron

People (including me) already complaining that 50 Cents / min is already to high. EVs won’t be accepted if you pay more for electricity than for gas. Imagine an i-MiEV charging in the cold with 25kW at CHAdeMO. He will pay 15 Euro for about the 13kWh he can charge in 30 minutes to drive 50 miles with it. 15 Euro can buy you 3 gallons of gas here.

SparkEV

50 miles / 3 gallons of gas equivalent in money = 17 MPGe$. I made some tables for various cars to figure out MPGe$ for various EV.

http://sparkev.blogspot.com/2015/10/money-mpge-for-various-ev.html

Speculawyer

Germany’s household retail electricity rate is high . . . but the rate to businesses and industry is much lower. And that is what the chargers would be paying, I assume.

Robb Stark

What is the point if Audi(VW Group) says they will have a German CCS 150 kWh fast charging network by 2018 when they debut their long range BEVs?

mustang_sallad

* 150kW. kW is power (e.g. charging rate), kWh is energy (e.g. battery capacity)

Cavaron

That news got something mixed up. The eight DC fast chargers where in place since 14th may 2014. But last month they got upgraded to 50kW DC CCS, 50kW DC CHAdeMO and 43kW AC. Price rose to about 50 Cents per minute.

Old news:
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.elektromobilitaet-verbindet.de%2Fprojekte%2FA9.html&edit-text=&act=url

New news:
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.allego.eu%2Fde%2Fdc-schnelllader-a9%2F&edit-text=&act=url

Counter-Strike Cat

I don’t see there any word about CHAdeMO and no charging station map shows any CHAdeMO at that sides.

Cavaron

@Counter-Strike Cat: Try this one, it’s very specific for Germany and Austria:
http://www.goingelectric.de/stromtankstellen/?suche=Deutschland&verbund%5B%5D=allego&stecker%5B%5D=chademo_fast

Cavaron

Something wrong with the link – just got to:
http://www.goingelectric.de/stromtankstellen/
and search for “Verbund” (provider) = Allego and “Ladestecker” (plug) = CHAdeMO.

Counter-Strike Cat

Thanks.

Speculawyer

Nice!

Meanwhile in the USA, the CCS deployment:
*crickets*

SparkEV

We have about 100 CCS in CA, some in OR and few other places. Many BMW dealers have them in many other states. I only use CCS when public charging, never L2. Without CCS, I don’t think 100% on EV for last 8 months would’ve been possible.

franky_b

It’s still early days,

Last year in Quebec, we had only 1 ChadeMo only

We now have 26 CCS/Chademo 50kWh and more are coming.

And here it’s 10$/hr, at that cost it is still cheaper then gas.

We need more, but things are looking a lot better then a year ago.

SparkEV

You might want to check your math. At $1/hr in CA with $3/gal gas, it’s about 75 MPGe$. At $10/hr with $3/gal, it would be 7.5 MPGe$. To be better than gas cars, gas prices would have to be $15/gal!

franky_b

I did my math, I actually experienced it

I invite you to read my 1 year report

https://sway.com/URJp1WRTsThxSr3L

In Quebec (where gas isn’t cheap and electricity is very cheap), driving electric using 10$/hr DCFC is cheaper then gas. Real life experience.

SparkEV

Link gives error.

If one hypermiles, it may be possible to get better. Or not. At $3/gal gas and $1/hr and 5mi/kWh (100% charging efficiency), I get about 90 MPGe$ (two DCFC of 15 min each).

At $10/hr, one would have to get 50 mi/kWh to get the same. To get 30 MPGe$, one would have to get 17 mi/kWh. With 19kWh SparkEV, I’d get 316 miles rage. This is not likely.

Best out of SparkEV was 130 miles range driving nonstop at 25 MPH (about 7 mi/kWh). Your gas price would have to be $7.50/gal if you only drive non-stop at 25 MPH. But if your gas price is over $11/gal, hypermiling could make it cheaper than gas.

Ralph stein

The pricing is a problem. Leafs don’t charge at 50k in the winter or even summer. 44k maybe. Berlin weather can be almost as bad as Wisconsin. I’ve had charge rates from 25k down to 10,000 watts on chademo. At 50 cents a min electricity is $1.20 to $3 a kwh in winter. For 3 miles of range per kwh! I would drive my gas car instead. Pay for what you get. Gas stations can cost over a million to build. They make only pennies a gallon. Groceries and such is where they make the money. Some company, some day is going to figure this out and put all the expensive chargers out of business.

SparkEV

I agree that it’s expensive, but your Leaf assumption isn’t quite right. 24kWh Leaf is 44kW only to about 50%, then it starts to go down. If you charge to 80% or 90%, average is less than 20kW. Charging speed at 90% is less than 6.6kW.

At 50 cents a minute, you’d be paying more than 8 MPG gas car with 20kW average charging power and $3/gal gas.