Face-lifted, Longer Range VW e-Golf To Debut In US Next Month – Sales Go Nationwide

OCT 1 2016 BY STEVEN LOVEDAY 64

VW e-Golf Touch (InsideEVs/Tom Moloughney)

Volkswagen e-Golf Touch Premiered In January In Las Vegas At CES (InsideEVs/Tom Moloughney)

We will see the new, longer range, face-lifted Volkswagen e-Golf  next month, and it may publicize its debut at the Los Angeles Motor Show. Volkswagen plans to begin sales of the car early next year, at the same time as the facelifted VW Golf hatchback. And VW says that this face-lifted e-Golf will be sold nationwide in 2017.

2016 Volkswagen e-Golf

2016 Volkswagen e-Golf

Volkswagen chair, Dr. Herbert Geiss, planted hints about the car at the Paris Motor Show. Christian Zenger, VW’s electric vehicle chair explained that the refreshed e-Golf is a  “very important bridging model”, leading up to the much anticipated all-electric, long-range Volkswagen I.D. (details).

The details regarding the VW I.D. came at the Paris Motor Show, and we now know that we won’t see that vehicle released until 2020. It is expected to have a range of up to 373 miles, putting it beyond the longest all-electric ranges of today. However, this is to be expected by 2020.

The new e-Golf will offer a 134 horsepower option, in addition to the current 113 horsepower motor. Range will also increase from a maximum of 118 miles to about 186 miles (NEDC) via a new 35.8 kWh battery (think ~124 miles real world/EPA driving), so the upgrade will put it ahead of many of the “city” EV offerings found on the market today.

The face-lifted e-Golf will offer other updates such as VW’s new infotainment and connectivity features. Included will be gesture control, which hasn’t yet been released by VW, following its unveiling in the e-Golf Touch concept car.

Our own sources indicate production of the new car starts in December at VW’s Wolfsburg assembly facility (take video tour of today’s e-Golfs rolling off that line here), and we should see some availability starting to arrive in Europe in January.

Source: Autocar

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Next Month? Vaporware!

Another Euro point of view

:-)…perhaps this is a new “two step” VW Strategy…
1/ make announcements in line with what the average US EV site commentators expects from VW, that is “5 years from now we will release…”
2/ Not too long after suddenly announce a nation wide release with one month notice when nobody expects them to do so.

lol! Seriously, happy to see VW get a break from this crowd. There’s definitely a market for EVs with less than 200 miles of range. Leaf drivers used to ask why a Volt driver would want to lug around and engine that they rarely use, you could say the same thing about the extra 25kWh of battery, depending on what you need the car for. I’m thinking of 2 car families.

Exactly! Or why drive around with $5000 in your trunk depreciating if you are not going to use it? A 100-150 mile range is adequate for a low-midrange EV.

I agree that there is room for smaller battery urban vehicles. Especially at the right price points. eGolf is as nice a car as the LEAF and it looks like they will be direct competitors into the future. Will be interesting to see where Ghosn will place LEAF in the mix… Would make sense for him to at least match the ZOE’s new 41 kWh (useable, probably a 42kWh actual). Even better would be a 48kWh at a low price to force GM’s hand on BOLT. Gonna be fascinating over the next 2 years.

134 HP is an improvement, but still lags SparkEV’s 140 HP. And Bolt with 200 HP with similar body style, I don’t think new eGolf will do well if released next year. Maybe if it was released a year ago about this time, it could’ve been competitive to 30 kWh Leaf.

Depends on the price, if they can keep it below 29k for the base 120 mile EV, why not? If you don’t need more range, why spend $9,000 more on a Bolt?

Seeing how current SE without DCFC is almost $30K while SEL with DCFC is almost $35K (both pre-subsidy), I don’t see how they can lower the price drastically with much bigger battery. At $35K, there’s no contest between it and the Bolt.

There is if one is allergic to GM products, or partial to German ones. There are other aspects of the car besides range and power that people appreciate.

“allergic to GM products”

LOL. That sounds like me before getting SparkEV! Cure for such allergy is kick-ass car for deal you can’t refuse. There’s only so much you can hold out before breaking down; they (more specifically SparkEV) broke me, but it still feels yucky defending GM.

Yeah, a good example would be comparing the Volt to a Prius. In most regards the Volt is the superior vehicle, and yet even with declining sales Toyota still sold more Priuses. Go figure!

At a much cheaper price.

Toyota sells more Corollas than Lexus LS460s

Well, no, the LS is a larger luxury vehicle. We’re comparing “green” and “affordable” compact hybrids.

Prius vs Volt comparison isn’t so good. Volt was 4 seater with less gas MPG. If Volt had 5 seats, hatch, and gas MPG the same or slightly better than Prius, it would’ve attracted more buyer.

Bolt and eGolf are very similar, both hatch, 5 seats, etc. But Bolt gives so much more from longer range to better cooled battery to more power. If they are similarly priced, there’s no contest, and only die-hard GM haters will avoid Bolt, though not sure if they’d go for VW this time around.

But if eGolf with DCFC pre-subsidy is priced at $28K ($22k post fed subsidy, $18K in CA and MD), that could spur some sales. I don’t see that happening, but you never know. If that happens, VW could dominate low end EV market; heck, I might even get one.

Bolt only available in LHD where the Golf is available in both LHD and RHD form.

Article is about US sales, so RHD doesn’t change anything.

Being able to sell the eGolf worldwide changes the economies of scale, the ability to ramp up volume where there is demand, and to reduce the price. It is very much relevant.

There you go. Other factors affect the sales besides the drivetrain.

Yes. Road handling, cargo size, interior quality, sound deafening, multimedia features, number of cup holders…

“Yuccky defending GM”.

Bob Reush (SP?) – a vp of products or something (kinda like Lutz) said “the people who killed the EV1 are not here now. Current GM employees all the way up to Barra are designing and building good electric cars”.

That is true enough, and even a bit of an understatement.

I don’t care what anyone says, the GEN 1 volt is the safest car ever built. No one to my knowledge has died in an auto collision; amazing in view of the numbers out there.

And of the now several EV models (volt 1 and 2, spark ev, ELR, and soon, the bolt/AMPe) – individual people have their ‘favorite models’, but each car has supporters who think their particular model is a winner, and most if not all are excellent values..

I’m just wondering, with a truly excellent track record to date, what stupendous vehicle they will release next?

The battery doesn’t necessarily have to be more expensive. The amount of cells stayed the same and if they order more than before, they might even get them cheaper.

And like you said at 35k they won’t stand a chance against the Bolt, so they will have to make up the difference in cash saved. Better than selling no cars at all.

Just $9,000 more for more than double the range is a no-brainer. Look at how the Tesla Model S 40kwh fared – it didn’t even make it to production due to lack of demand, instead it was a castrated 60kwh because it was still cheaper that way for Tesla.

You can’t compare Tesla with Bolt/eGolf. $9K on $30K is almost 30%. Just going by this ratio, Tesla S40 would have to cost $40K, which it wasn’t. If it was, it would have sold really well since that’s about the price of i3 with half the battery.

The vast majority of people don’t cross shop cars that have a $9000 price difference. Why do we exempt EVs from the same purchasing decisions that go into every other vehicle?

I’m lucky to take home $40K/year and have about $75K left to pay off on a house. I can’t spend $33K for a new car. I’m not rich. So sub-200 mile EVs and PHEVs (and realistically used ones at that) are probably on my horizon.

And if by some chance I could afford a new EV or PHEV, I can tell you I’m not going to say, “well this one is only $9000 more”.

So many factors beyond HP when it comes to EVs…The Spark gets nearly 400ft/lbs of torque…The gen2 Volt has about 300ft/lbs and while has a “good” 0-30, the 30-60 (often needed for passing safely and highway onramps) is god awful…

But I believe the new Golf will be slower than the Spark…

Also, do they now have active cooled battery or is it like old eGolf of passive battery cooling (aka, no cooling)? I was at DCFC waiting for i3 (active battery cooled) at 90%, and he was charging 0.01kWh in 11 seconds, which is 3.3 kW! I have to wonder how slowly eGolf will charge.

Fortunately, VW isn’t giving out free charging like BMW and Nissan.

If the price is right i.e. < 30k it might be a good choice for some people. Otherwise bolt and m3 will be the obvious superior choice.

German pride however will not go down easily, they will need to do it though, look at Mercedes B, they think that only because it is a German car they can sell it for ~25% more; reality is that the sales were very low so it was the wrong approach.

I would word it this way: “otherwise Bolt and LEAF will be the obvious superior choice.”

The Model 3 is still a year away, so I wouldn’t say the 2017 eGolf is not a choice since it and the LEAF will be available in 2017.

If VW is telling the truth, selling the e-Golf in all USA States is a positive step forward. The increased range is past due. Price will determine how successful it is against the Chevy Bolt. As others have pointed out, e-Golf HP and range are significantly smaller than the Bolt. If the VW e-Golf is significantly cheaper than the Bolt, people may opt for the less expensive VW e-Golf.

The new e-Golf with 36kWh is a good improvement from the e-Golf 24kWh. 50% it’s really a big step.
But in France the 24kWh e-Golf is about 36,000€. if the 36kWh e-Golf will be at 38.000€. Why not buy the Opel Ampera-e instead ? I’m pretty sure that the Ampera-e will be under 40.000€.
In USA the e-Golf 36kWh have to be cheaper than the actual e-Golf 24kWh, if VW want a chance to compeat against the Chevrolet Bolt.

Another Euro point of view

I do not know if French price you mentioned (EUR 36K) is VAT included. As I understand sales tax (VAT) in France is 20% while only 5 to 10% in most US states, best is to compare prices without VAT. Usually you will find all cars in the US about 10% to 15% cheaper as compared to Europe due to this VAT rate difference. Voila 😉

In France the price is always all tax included.
And when the 40.000€ cap price for incentives will be applicable. It’s mean all tax included.

Another Euro point of view

OK so to have an idea of the US price based on this EUR price you need to subtract 10% to adjust for the sales tax difference then convert to USD. Also the larger the market the lowest the price often as car manufacturers can be less reluctant to decrease their margins if volumes are important.

The Bolt base price has no VAT included, so its 20% more for French customers. Add some import taxes(import tax workarounds), an Euro basically at $1.05 and you get to 45,000€.

Another Euro point of view

Ouch…I hope Opel will be willing to lower their margin to reduce this price to less than EUR 40K otherwise it will be Opel Ampera situation all over again.

Not really, as every car require VAT so prices of competition are also set accordingly.

Another Euro point of view

If Opel Ampera e is really priced at EUR45K (which I doubt as I think I remember reading somewhere that it would be aggressively priced in Europe) then we would still be far from the affordable long range EV people wait for here in Europe. It is still only but a 4.17m Opel, for the vast majority it will be hard to justify such a price tag, even more given the steep depreciation of second hand EV’s(except Tesla).

Finally… Late, but let’s see them actually do it. While there are now several “mid-gen” BEVs that do ~120mi (LEAF, i3, IITC the next Focus FFE), the eGolf has the advantage that its ICE model is the most popular car in Europe by far.

Excellent and needed uograde but the real question with the eGolf, Focus EV, Iconic EV, and the Leaf will be pricing (and avalibity in Fords and Hyundais case) with the upcoming Bolt and model 3 launch…

With this announcement of increased range for the eGolf for 2017, I would like take the opportunity to point out a bit of a misconception that I see every now and then in comments about the Nissan LEAF, and that is the assertion that Nissan is falling behind, LEAF sales are tanking, and they are losing their commitment to EVs.

Mostly not true.

Nissan almost a year ago on the LEAF increases the range to 107 miles, while the eGolf, i3, Focus EV etc are pushing into 100+ mile territory only for this next model year of 2017.

If anything, Nissan is the leader in affordable EVs, and most likely will continue as such.

electric-car-insider.com

It will be hard for Nissan to retain market leadership when the Bolt arrives in dealer showrooms.

Well since Mr Ghosn is a poker player… he will likely start talking around the debut of BOLT. He would at least match the ZOE for range… probably beat it…48kWh would be a great start especially if weight is similar to current pack.Nissan is not going to lose this fight.

Something to remember for LEAF sales versus Bolt sales in 2017 is that in Europe Nissan will likely still have more volume than the Bolt even if in 2017 the LEAF is still a 30 kWh one. And in Japan (a strong LEAF market) no Bolt will be sold there.

In the US the LEAF could sell less than the Bolt if the 30 kWh is the only option. But that too is highly unlikely since Nissan will possibly bring the 60 kWh 200+ mile next gen LEAF in April 2017, and a 40 kWh LEAF is a possibility too for the 2017 model year.

Poker isn’t a good analogy.

Whatever the gen-2 LEAF’s range is, I doubt it can be changed at this point.
Assuming Q2 2017 actual launch (with announcement slightly earlier) as most predict, battery & vehicle design, as well as manufacturing contracts all have to be completely done at this point — Nissan’s likely working on testing.

Ghosn can’t react to the Bolt’s unexpectedly high range except by delaying the entire car for 6-12 months, which is unlikely (and if Nissan isn’t ready for a mid-2017 launch, they’re in serious trouble anyway).

The only thing Nissan can still do is play on packaging & pricing.

Well we do know the LEAF 2 will have a 60 kWh battery, so that means somewhere a little more than 200 miles of range.

It’s cool to hear these news about the forthcoming range upgrades and new electric car models. Hope InsideEvs would gather a list of all of these because it’s starts to be a little difficult to remember all the possible e-cars that you could buy during following years.

I love Golfs, but I don’t see how VW thinks this will work out for them. They wait to roll out nationwide until AFTER the Bolt is available with 238 mile range and $29,995 price after rebate, with a 200 hp motor. How the heck does VW think ANYONE will want to buy an eGolf with only 120+ mile range for a similar price?

They missed their opportunity to sell the eGolf nationwide when it wasn’t worse than the LEAF. Now its too late.

VW do have one thing going for them: In Europe, the Golf is the most popular ICE car, and has been for several years.
Some mainstream buyers prefer an EV that looks similar to its ICE sister.

That said, the eGolf will obviously have to be cheaper than the Ampera-E to complete, and the Ampera-E will probably have a 5% EU import tax going against it.

In the US, VW got hit rather badly by Dieselgate, and the eGolf will have to be very aggressively priced to comete with the Bolt.

Blow out lease prices on current 2016 e-Golfs coming soon??

So what happens when Bolt arrives to all the other EV’s. All other 100 mile EV’s are forced to cut prices?

Pretty much, I think.
At least, I’d expect they’ll have to up the range on “city” EVs to 100mi (real range).
The i3 is the most in trouble, even if some people will buy it because it’s BMW.

Most EVs right now have incredibly low lease rates in the CARB states; many are so heavily incentivized that it’s actually cheaper to lease now and purchase it at turn in vs buying it outright…

With all that being said if the Bolt follows in the Volts lease footsteps a pure base might be able to have a monthly payment of $225/mo

I like the wheels. Aero, b. ut not ugly.

I also like the Ioniq EV wheels. I hope to see a lot more aero wheels out there – hopefully not too expensive to obtain.

Mooneyes are great, but have no venting in them to expel air out from underneath the car and vent the brakes/brake dust – plus crosswind mitigation. Mooneyes also have that outward curve which speaks “GEEK” immediately to all who see them.

These kinds of alloy wheels are stylish and non GEEK-I-FIED. Other EV-aero wheels I like are the newer alloys on the LEAF.

The range wars have begun.

I feel sorry for Hyunday who recently released their all-new Ionic EV. They were late to the party only to find the party has moved on to another venue. Life is hard.

But they at least were aware that there is a party going on. Where is Toyota?

Toyota is busy trying to convince Hydrogen is safe. Not to besmirch SpaceX, but pressurized gasses are dangerous, and even if their marketing department shoots a pressurized tank with a .45 caliber bullet and it doesn’t explode, it probably will leak soon after. I doubt the various pipes and fittings are quite so durable. Brilliant job making a vehicle that likely has even more maintenance inspection than an ICE.

Depending on how it’s priced, I can still see a possible market for the Ioniq, although probably less in Europe:
Some people do want the larger size (it’s the only mid-size BEV, and one of few mid-size PHEVs); most BEVs are (sub)compacts.

Very interesting ?

What I would really like to see is a VW GTE with 35+ miles of pure electric range. I really liked the Audi a3 etron as a potential replacement for my gen 1 Volt, but at only 16 miles of range, I could not pull the trigger. There is still a strong market for PHEVs with decent electric range for commuting, and fun driving dynamics.

I am not in the market for a new car right now, unless I hit the lottery or something like that. But if I were considering a new car it would be an EV. Already driving a Gen I Volt, there’s no way I am going back to ICE. But since I do have the Volt, a 125 mile EV such as the e-Golf might be more than acceptable. My Volt and it’s 38 mile AER handle 80% of my typical driving. For that occasional long trip, the generator kicks in and things are great. But a 125 mile BEV is also very intriguing. I have read some positive reviews of the e-Golf, although the car has not been available in Pennsylvania. Possibly, if lease deals are attractive enough, I might consider leasing an e-Golf such as this one. In a few years, when the 200+ mile BEV is commonplace, then maybe I’d consider the longer range models. As noted above by a few posters, the Bolt has really turned out to be a disruptor.

It’s mid-January, 2-17? VW still has no word on release date. Is this typical? Are they going to close up shop in the US due to legal troubles?

Where is the eGolf 2017?

That’s what I’d like to know. The Bolt is great but the lease is steep. The Soul EV and other just-over-100 mile EVs lease cheaper, but the range is marginal for my needs. Something with range and price right in the middle would be good, especially with the quality and driving dynamics of a Golf. But even the “big” 134 hp motor seems a little weak by today’s standards; we’ll see how they gear it.

Oh wait, that’s 186 miles NEDC. So more like 124 miles EPA/reality. Nope, they’d better skip directly to that vaporware 300+ mile battery.

I was going to wait for an egolf 2017. But no release dates, and it’s taking a bit too long. Going for another option!