Ignore The Negative Press, EVs Are Actually Amazing Winter Cars

FEB 18 2019 BY STEVEN LOVEDAY 93

Due to “Range is key for EVs,” there’s been loads of negative coverage about EVs in cold weather. But …

Since electric vehicles first came to market, range anxiety has been one of the biggest issues. So, of course, mainstream media still puts range at the forefront in most reports about electric cars. For this reason, there has been plenty of negative coverage about EVs in cold weather. The articles have even come from the likes of AAA and Consumer Reports.

While it’s true, electric vehicles do suffer range loss in cold weather, so do all cars, though to a lesser extent. It’s important to note, however, that an EV will still save you money (more on that below). Moreover, if you add up all the other advantages of electric cars overall and in winter weather, the win over gas-powered cars is abundantly clear. Fresh Energy reports on several reasons that EVs are amazing winter cars.

First of all, let’s get the range issue out of the way. Today’s batteries are larger, meaning many of today’s electric cars offer more range. Improving technology means that these batteries lose less range than they did in the past. Recent reports point to as much as a 50-percent range loss depending on conditions, while other reports point to 30-40 percent. As we’ve previously reported, the EPA says gas-powered cars and hybrids can see a range hit of some 12-34 percent in cold weather. So, yes, EVs will suffer a bit more, but it’s not exponential.

So, with range aside, why is an electric vehicle advantageous as a winter vehicle?

EVs offer instant heat. They don’t have to be “warmed up” like a gas car. Plus, they’re almost sure to start regardless of the temperature. You can precondition your cabin and your battery while the car is plugged in, which means you’re not using energy from the battery, but instead, energy from the location that the car is plugged in. No more cold starts, cold cabins, rough idling, etc. In terms of preheating the car, in many cases you can just grab your phone, open up the vehicle’s app, and get the car immediately warmed up before you venture out. Even if a gas-powered car offers remote start, it still takes quite a bit of time to get the cabin warm and cozy and you can’t do it in a garage or indoor parking structure.

Electric vehicles’ instant torque and low, heavy center of gravity are other keys to the cars’ success in winter. Not only are EVs fun to drive, they’re also better at staying grounded and getting/maintaining traction on snowy, icy surfaces. Modern traction control pairs well with electric motors and is especially useful in dual-motor, all-wheel drive electric cars. However, as we’ve shared on numerous occasions, even sporty, rear-wheel-drive EVs like the Tesla Model 3 perform surprisingly well in slick conditions.

According to Fresh Energy’s calculations, electric car range loss in cold temps doesn’t mean you’ll pay more to operate the car when compared to a gas alternative. Taking account for the loss of range, driving an EV for 1,000 miles (1,609 km) could still only cost you about $40. In contrast, a gas car that returns 25 MPG will cost you about $100 to fuel up for 1,000 miles of driving based on today’s average gas prices.

Fresh Energy doesn’t factor in how that 25 MPG car is impacted by the cold, but even if suffered only a 10-15 percent range loss, you could spend another $10-15 dollars on gas. Not to mention pricey maintenance and repairs that gas cars often need due to cold weather issues. What the recent articles fail to state is that even though EVs lose more range than gas cars in cold weather, they still save you money on “fuel/energy,” and require virtually zero weather-related maintenance or repairs.

There are a number of other reasons electric vehicles are just plain better than gas-powered cars, cold weather or not. Once EVs reach price parity with ICE cars, charging infrastructure should also no longer be an issue. Additionally, during that time frame, battery tech will continue to improve, range will continue to grow, and technologies that further assist in cold weather will be improving as well.

Source: Fresh Energy

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They are wonderful until the battery runs out of juice in the middle of the highway during a blizzard. Then, instead of somebody bringing in a 5 gallon can of gasoline to refill, the EV has to be towed to the nearest supercharger.

As if by magic, battery goes from 100% to 0% in middle of highway? In a blizzard, you work in some margin, not drive to completely empty, and GOM will reflect as such.

Personally and including all of the people I know that own EVs -I can count on one hand when amount of charge has been an issue as far as almost running out. In my case I topped off at a charger on the way home for 15 minutes and it was fine. Anyone that owns an EV is pretty aware of how much charge they have and how far they can go. If they get in trouble it was because they weren’t paying attention and it is the exception to the rule. I would bet more people, as a percentage of owners, run out of gas than run out of charge and are stuck. Sad that you have to spread FUD about something you fear but know nothing about.

I have been driving an electric since 2014. I drove it through some of the worst polar vortex weather Chicago has to offer. I think saying “staying pretty aware” of the state of charge is an understatement. You need to be hypervigilant of your state of charge. I had to cycle the heat on/off in order to conserve the energy to reach my destinations (hoping no roads were blocked and I would not have to take a detour). I would layer up my clothing and had a heat blanket inside the car for added low energy-cost heat. I ended up picking up a 4×4 pickup. This thing is a dream to drive in the winter. I look forward to blizzards now. The drive is so much more relaxed. No need to constantly check the level of charge or having to cycle my cabin heat. The long wheel base of the truck makes it very stable in the worst road conditions. Don’t get me wrong. I love electric cars and in the warm weather months I drive the electric 90% of the time. In the winter I drive the truck 90% of the time. When I compared the cost to run… Read more »

Very odd post. I actually live in the country in northern Canada, on a gravel road. I am finding that my Bolt operates a lot better than the Toyota 4×4 pickup that I also own. It heats up a lot faster, always starts, and the range loss is no problem even though my commute is 80 to 100 km per day. This has been true through the current period of cold weather (three weeks of -30 to -10). The range loss is nowhere near enough to be a problem for most commuters.

Generally speaking, you are driving slowly in a blizzard, which mitigates some of the negatives from heater usage and such. Has this actually happened to many people? I would think not.

We sat in our X for 12 hours with a freeway closure on the I-80. We lost 50 miles of range. How much range did the gas cars lose in the same amount of time?

Driving in snowed out conditions? The car is so sure-footed on snow and ice, I have an enhanced sense of peace that my family is safe from loss of control.

I will never bother with a non EV again. They are superior in every single way.

Where are you getting that 5 gallon can from? Do you keep one in your boot, stinking the car out, or are you going to walk to the gas station?
Plus, why not just get towed? Your gas savings can more than pay for the flatbed costs.

“Where are you getting that 5 gallon can from? “
From the Gas Fairy, you silly! Everything just comes to you when you’re driving ice…

Hey, don’t all gasmobile drivers carry a 5 gallon jerry can of gas in the back? It’s not like they have to worry about any fire hazard. I mean, gasmobile fires are so rare!

Oh, wait…

https://www.ksl.com/article/119781/car-fires-more-common-than-you-may-think

Ev drives should balance things out by carrying diesel generators in the trunk of their evs.

You’d think there’d be quite a market for small high powered generators for charging EV’s. I’d prefer that to a plug in hybrid because in a hybrid I can’t leave the extra equipment at home when it’s not needed.

It was a joke dude! Rather than getting silly with genies how about making the battery packs modular and able to accept extra modules for long trips. You could just rent them when you need them instead of carrying the weight all the time. Maybe new battery tech will get rid of some of the weight and we won’t have to worry about that.

I read a report (AAA?) that said about 500,000 fossil cars run out of gas every year, leaving their owners stranded. Stuck on a highway clogged with cars during a blizzard? Just who is going to bring you a can of gas?

We see why the AAA report was so biased, they’re gonna lose a big chunk of their revenues with EVs becoming mainstream.

Which side is the realistic one?

I’m sure there is a gearhead or coal-rolling forum where your EV bashing would be appreciated. Why don’t you go there, and leave the discussion here to people who do not want to see the EV revolution fail.

Why they leave your comments here Pushi yet pull my fact-filled thoughtful comments is a real shame.

Are personal opinions facts now?

Hey Tid

Here is a good idea. Buy a Smart For-2 which has 58 mile range. Drive with full heat in a blizzard and in just 35 miles it will stop, then you can push it yourself to the nearest shop since its a small car.

That way you save on gas and also burn all the ugly fat in your body.
You can show the world how bad electric cars are.
And the big oil will send you a big check as token of appreciation.

I have a smart fortwo, and I can tell you that about the only time I see an estimated range of 58 miles is when I’m on the highway in sub freezing temperatures, so I think Tid would get more like 58 miles before he has to push. Also, I can tell you too, that it’s harder to push than you’d think (had an electrics failure in subfreezing temperatures a month back). Any kind of incline and you’re going to struggle to push it by yourself.

Still love the car though.

Major BS … The people who can do a bit of elementary math drive EV without worry, the people who cannot, trol here and drive around with a canister of gas.

Only morons don’t plan ahead and run out of gas or charge in a blizzard. Also unlike gas cars, crawling along slowly in an EV doesn’t waste fuel just by being on/running. And if you did break down like getting a flat, you don’t have to worry about carbon monoxide and the traction battery can run a heater for many, many hours while waiting for help. You want heat in a gas car, you have to run the engine and waste even more fuel, all the while breathing in the exhaust fumes swirling around the car.

Everyone knows that ICE cars never break down or run out of gas on the road.

This made me laugh out loud. First of all EVs don’t just run out of power unexpectedly. Even if you’re not paying attention the vehicle gives you plenty of advanced warning. if you’re stranded in traffic, you’re in luck. You probably still have a couple of days heat in those batteries. Same is true if you’re just stranded in ice and snow. And you don’t have to worry about breathing your own exhaust. EVs don’t “idle” like ICE mobiles, so the only “fuel” being burned when sitting still is to keep you warm. Which isn’t much. I got caught behind a serious accident crash on the interstate a few years back. Traffic was literally at a stop most of the time and crawling forward at walking pace when it was moving. It took over 3 hours to clear. The outside temp was -3f. Our Leaf kept us comfortable and when we got back up to speed we had only lost 5% juice total. That equaled about 4 miles range. The scenario you’ve described is pure fantasy.

Loss of EV range during frigid temperatures is understandable and is reported in the media ad nauseam. What they fail to mention is that 12V batteries often can’t start ICE vehicles during winter and how about frozen gas lines. These vehicles have ZERO range!

Frozen gas lines? Are you driving at colder than -70F? I don’t think your EV will be operating at that temperature.

Living in Canada, I confirm frozen gas lines because of condensation at -10°F. Having routinely at least a half-full tank prevents this annoyance.

actually, the small amount of ethanol will help prevent that freeze up.,

As someone who owns several EV’s, and has been driving them for over 5 years, driving EV’s a long distance during the winter is a real problem. Around town is not such a big deal, but I would be very careful and taking my family on a road trip in our Model X during winter weather. Here is Colorado, even with Tesla’s supercharging network, we still have an ICE power vehicle for driving to the ski resorts.

I’m knowledgable enough to know how to drive our EV’s during the winter, precondition, drive slower, estimate the range, plan for charging if needed, wear warming clothes and make more use of heated seats and steering wheel. But for many new EV owners it could be a shock and quite the learning experience.

I agree the negative press has been over the top, but there needs to be better education for new buyers, and still better charging infrastructure.

I absolutely agree that there is a learning curve for new BEV drivers, who may be surprised or even shocked at the amount of range loss in bitterly cold conditions, if they haven’t read EV forums much, and are not aware of how serious an issue it is.

But suggesting you might freeze to death if you dare venture out on a bitterly cold day in your BEV is quite literally FÜD — Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt.

My sentiments exactly although I am not really qualified to reply since I live in a place without real winter. At some point a combination of education and lower battery prices allowing the problem to be mitigated with really high capacity batteries will solve this. Certainly heat pumps and scavenging the small amount of waste heat can help but there is no getting around the physics that driving an EV in cold weather without asking the occupants to skimp on heating requires a _lot_ more energy and that energy needs to come from the battery. I could see 150+ kWh batteries in model 3 sized cars for really cold places once energy density and cost improvements permit them.

not really.
Cabin heat is fine after 20-30 minutes (assuming that it is not too cold). The reason is that it will pull that heat from battery AND motor. Problem is, that ppl will turn that on hi right away, and without being plugged in. BUCKO watts on that. Something like 6-10 KWH will be pulled on that. OTOH, if you wait for the heat to come, then it is less than 1kwh.
BTW, the seats draw less than 1kwh as well.

We take our 2013, 85 RWD MS from 80126 up to the mountains. With Nokian winter tires, we have had no issues. But yes, you DO have to manage the electricity. Until the motor/battery are fully warmed up (or were pre-heated), just seats.
THough normally, I just pre-warm the car for 20 minutes and then run cabin at around 64.

I do agree that better education really is needed. I have met a number of ppl at park meadows who have no grasp of portable charger (surprised to find out that they can already plug-in at home and charge). Likewise, suggest snow tires if going up in the mountains (or if we get a decent year on the front range, which we have not had some 2007). And then explain about traction control. and show them the abstract ocean leds in our car (cheap enhancement).

https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/amazon-says-will-cut-its-carbon-footprint-after-pressure-from-activists-and-employees/
Well Amazon is definitely going to go big on EV’s by 2030 reducing there environmental impact by 50%. It’s hard to imagine how many semi trucks, and vans Amazon will need to achieve this. I suspect Amazon is going to bypass USPS and UPS to deliver packages and groceries to the door.
I also suspect the Amazon employees will use EV’s to deliver packages and groceries as part of their route home. EV might be included as part of a compensation package.

what a joke. Amazon is busy buying MB sprinters at this time. They could stop that and go EV right now.

Solid reporting Steven Loveday. Direct. To the point. EV cold weather performance only gets better from here too. Chemistry improvements will continue to widen the gap between EVs and ICEs as well as approaches to keeping the body warm. If I can just get some induction shoe inserts to warm the feet, I could save another 10%.

They are pulling my comments to you M Hovis.

In addition to preheating in a garage without concern about car exhaust, if you preheat while you are plugged in to a 220 source (on Tesla’s at least), the power comes from the wall, not your car. So you are not using any vehicle power getting the car warmed up.

Man you guys have been pulling my fact-filled comments here right and left.

I didn’t think there was much advertising here affected but you must not want to offend your story suppliers if too many REAL people make too many real world comments.

“asinine propaganda?” wtf. ICE cars are antiquated, dirty, hard to start and run in the winter, and inferior technology – please leave us alone and grumble to all of your old school friends. You won’t find many haters here unless they are trolls like you are.

I have only driven EVs for the past 8 years (have continually owned 1 phev, and 1 BEV) solely, yet your silly statement Sansice is like some of the other clueless people here.

Apparently few here want to know of the complications that MAY result from EV ownership.

Interesting on the merit/demerit system. When I vote down a comment, the up counter goes up as well. Now is that just because my name is associated with the voting?

It’s funny, because reading most of your posts, one would guarantee that you have never owned an EV. You like to hyperbole most of anything. I think it’s clear to some people EVs and their usage have limitations, to others none. You have heard time accepting that, is clear.

What an idiot. I did a video of me owning TWO electric cars in 2011.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdejWw7R0cg

Well ok – I guess I can take that criticism. The point is that the trolls that frequent this site are not interested in pointing out the limitations of EVs and to constructively move forward with an open mind about how we can combat those limitations. Believe me, I understand limitations. I was an early adapter with a 2014 ford Focus which I continue to drive btw in addition to my Tesla P60D. I power both of those cars with an array on my garage roof in the Pacific Northwest – yes it is possible.
The intent of these guys is to constantly and relentlessly instill doubt and fear. I am done with it. My understanding is that the mission statement of this site was to promote EVs – is that not true? These people have no interest in promoting EVs but instead want to point out all of their shortcomings. and would prefer that they go away.

I’m glad you can take the criticism. I have more EV miles under my belt than you do. Not that it really matters since I’ve only test driven an ‘S’ 3 times but have 4 years experience with my Tesla Roadster which counter-intuitively handled the cold much better than an “S” does.

I have AWD on my S -It is the best car in snow I have ever owned including the ML 350 – your roadster better than a 2017 AWD S? – ah yeah..Ground clearance aside it is 2wd and tiny – hilarious omg.

I’ve driven more than a half million miles in Wisconsin and many of those miles were bad roads. I have never let winter weather stop me from where I’m going. My Model S is spectacular in the bad weather, whether that’s -35°F or snow up to the battery, and that’s despite it being rear wheel drive. The only car I’ve had that’s handled better in the snow is my 2013 Leaf, which is also a BEV.

Again – amazin’ ain’t how zero EV-lovin’ Norwegians have felt the need to orchestrate a crass anti-EV troll-attack over the past 6 years. Norway can be as freezing cold as Canada or Alaska most of the year…especially nights.
Yet an endless stream of hitherto unseen, obscure US-based “media” outlets keep springing up out of nowhere like toxic overnight mushrooms/fungi to re-parrot the same viral, anti-EV script.
Pathetic. But sadly many – if not most -consumers are gullible enough to swallow it – or at least to add “cold weather anxiety” to their list of media-propagated reasons not to go electric.
Paul G

Most Norwegians live in or around Oslo which does not get that cold. Northern Norway is a different story, of course.

You are right but I’m not allowed to comment because they’ll pull it – even if it is a humorous statement.

Excellent points, thank you.

Well ignore the EV kool-aid, AWD is better than FWD which is better than RWD. Snow tires rule on every kind of drive. EV’s have a bit better weight distribution is their only snow and ice advantage. Thats about it for what is best for winter driving.

My Tesla has better traction control than an ICE is capable of. I’m more confident in my RWD Model 3 with all weather tires than the equivalent ICE. Even still more confident than FWD with all weather. Agreed, snow tires are more important than drivetrain, but all rubber being equal, electric torque control is much more precise

“My Tesla has better traction control than an ICE is capable of…”

Subaru’s rule in all the AWD on road tests. Audi is right there also. Be interesting to see the e-Tron’s coming from the Audi AWD drive heritage.

Agree with you Steven
Im enjoying a 24kwh Leaf, and its amacing in the winter. Warms up imidiately an traction control does an super job
I dont worry about the shorter range , there is an instrument telling me the range left..😁

Let all the scared people fund the Saudi’s, and other scum states exporting terror to the states with their oildollars. Let them pay for the insane amount of energy their dino’s need, to get moving. Let the US (and oil-allies) start an oil-war once in a while, losing some 5 thousand brave soldiers. (Iraq) Let those ICE loving media report about a horrific environmental deepwater Horizon oilspilling disaster at the same time. Let the scared ones struggle with gasstations and oilprices, exhaust, engine oil, sparkplug, transmission, alternator, enginestarter, dead 12V battery, gasket and all other replacements. Let all of those inhale the smog every now and then, that they are causing themselfes. Let Volkwagen swirl in one of the biggest carfraud’s in history, and still telling lies about it. Let all that ignorance kill us slowely.

And what to they come up with???
EV lose some range in wintertime…..

excepting the expensive 4wd EVs, the other 2wd EVs do have traction problems in the snow. Yes, the weight is well distributed in EVs and handling is good but a good snow car needs as much weight as possible over the driving wheels – that’s why fwd is better than rwd. However, the balanced weight distribution of an EV reduces traction compared to an ice front engined fwd. FWD EVs is the perfect solution. Mike

120 kWh is the absolute minimum for a small EV to be practical.

What range do you need an EV to have in your part of the world?

Out here in the west , 200-250 miles would be ideal. But few that need that. Most would do great at 75 mile radius.

I’m sure that will come as big news to absolutely everyone who has bought any mass produced EV passenger car… ever. 🙄

In fact, the only EVs I know about with larger battery packs are a handful of prototypes. Even Formula E race cars only carry 54 kWh packs.

Clueless again. The only BEV’s I’ve owned have had 53 kwh and 60 kwh initially, but practically speaking – the batteries are no where near big enough, especially in the winter time.

But I’m the rugged sort and I make due. But expecting the general public to do the same thing is another matter entirely.

I’ve already related the story about the Enterprise Car Rental Manager who could NOT WAIT until they got rid of their shipment of Nissan Leafs.

Please. If you get 150 MPC, then you can do ~75 miles (130km) out and back. Not so great to do daily, but overall, this will handle most driving in the world. And few cars need 120 kWh to go that distance.

For most current EV (like the ones getting 200-250 miles EPA on 60 kWh) a 120 kWh battery would go 400-500 miles on a charge. So you are saying all those Telsa Model 3 owners in the US where TM3 is 5th largest selling sedan and largest selling luxury vehicle, all bought impractical cars due to their puny 62 or 75 kWh batteries. While 400-500 miles of range would be nice with 250-300 miles it 3-4 hours between needing to stop to charge and if on an all day drive that would be a good time to stop for a break.

My Bolt has a winter range of ~150 miles. That is no enough for anything other than around town. Just got done with a 800 mile trip today in my Volt, 12.5 hrs door to door. That was with poor mileage, only mid 30’s. No way the bolt would do that trip in anywhere near the same time if it could even do it. Ev’s have a ways to go yet, but could get there if batteries get a lot cheaper.

Agreed Vitun, but They don’t make them yet. And I’m sure my 57 kwh (long term rating) BOLT is on thin ice when the tax credit goes away since GM is EXPERT at discontinuing nice EVs.

As long as you can turn every “driver aid” off like in my 2 and 4 wheeled ice vehicles then yes. I truly believe rwd EVs can be awesome in Finnish winter due to that torgue.

The only way you can get 30-50% loss of range due to cold is on a very short drive. On a short drive you don’t care much about range if there is a charger at either end of the trip. For this short of a trip a single charge would be enough for round trip. For longer trips the battery warms fairly quickly (full efficiency by 30-40 miles if highway driving). The initial warming of the cabin (if not preconditioned) usually takes 10-15 miles and after that the heater is no longer a big draw. In my Leaf I get 3.5-3.7 mi/kWh on longer trips on the highway in the cold and typically 3.9 mi/kWh on highway at ideal outside temps (much higher for local driving). Thats mostly 60-64 MPH since faster drops range on the Leaf. The Leaf has a heat pump heater which helps. My son drives a bolt and get a lot more range loss, 150 or so in the cold and maybe 200 in summer on highway since he drives fast (often 70-75). That is now closer to the 30% and likely due to the thermo-electric heaters for the cabin and battery conditioning, though on a… Read more »

Vehicle sales in China plunged 15.8% to 2.37 million, but the plugins increased 140% to 95,700.

Pure electric vehicles increased 179.7 percent to 75,000
Plug-in hybrids grew 54.6 percent to 21,000
Once again electric vehicles are surging over plugin hybrids because of higher range BEVs.
http://global.chinadaily.com.cn/a/201902/18/WS5c6a2bb2a3106c65c34e9df5.html
Last year in Jan month, worldwide plugin sales was 82,035, this year China alone has seen 95,000 + sales. Combined with America’s 17,000 and the rest of the World, it could hit 150,000 which is 80% sales increase.

Will 2019 see 100% increase in sales. If so, it will be wonderful. But it needs support from many players and not just Tesla, BYD & BAIC.

I have a Tesla Model 3. I live in Cook county, IL (greater Chicago area) and recently weathered the Polar Vortex. While my range was cut virtually in half, that means I still had ~150 mi range for my 40 mi round trip commute. My work unfortunately didn’t see fit to close while we hit a true temp of -23 / wind chill of -50. But I never had any concerns about my car starting. I charged to 100% overnight (I usually stick between 50 and 80) and felt more confident than any of my colleagues wondering if their ICE would start. I wouldn’t endeavor to road-trip in such conditions, but with the Tesla app to precondition the cabin, I never had a doubt in my mind about my safety. My electric vehicle was my lifeline in the toughest conditions.

Educate me a little here…when ice won’t start in cold is usually the 12v battery…Tesla and all evs have that battery too so if that fails would your atesla still start?

In an internal combustion engine the 12 volt battery is used to crank the engine on start-up. During cold weather the torque to get the frozen components moving is far more than during warm weather. The cranking amperage of the battery also decreases during cold weather. An electric vehicle does not have a large, frozen engine to turn over upon start-up. The 12 volt battery is hardly required. Many do-it-yourselfers delete the battery and use a capacitance network connected to the main propulsion battery in place of the conventional battery.

Someone needs to test your theory and take a battery from an ice that won’t start and place it in an ev ans try to drive it. It does make sense what you are saying…

I’m not surprised that AAA is spreading FUD about EVs. EVs threaten their business model. Here in Oregon, our legislature passed a state rebate for EVs. Before it could take effect, AAA filed a lawsuit to try to stop it. It took almost nine months for the judge to throw out the lawsuit.

I think it is vitally important that newbies to the EV scene be aware of this. Most of us are keen on EV adoption and if someone who was unprepared for winter range loss gets stuck away from home in the cold and dark it could generate lots of negative publicity. This being said EVs are truly awesome for driving in winter conditions for reasons already posted here. Sadly many people seem to be intellectually lazy about doing research ahead of major purchases and can be caught off guard as a result.

I’m a little ashamed of myself for feeling so smug on bitter cold mornings when you can hear all the ICE cars coughing and groaning and sometimes failing to start when I just get in the Leaf and go. OK crocodile tears!

That’s why I chose a 2018 Honda Clarity Plug-in Hybrid. I never think about range anxiety. EPA rates the Electric Vehicle (EV) range at 48 miles. Below 30 degrees I’ve seen the range drop to about 35 miles. In optimal weather it will easily go 50+ miles. I drive 2,400 miles a month and the fuel costs (electricity) are $80 (about 9 cents/kWh – 100% wind electricity plan). Even in cold weather, I still have enough electric range to commute to work on 100% electricity. I recharge at the office (takes ~2 hours if battery fully depleted) and I commute back home on 100% electricity. For longer trips or when I can’t recharge, the gasoline engine is always there (280+ mile range) and I have zero range anxiety. That’s why I think plug-in hybrids make so much more sense at this time of BEV technology and recharging infrastructure. Instead of making Battery-only Electric Vehicles (BEVs) with huge, expensive batteries for 250+ mile range and expensive supercharging stations that require trip planning, downtime, etc, just give a hybrid vehicle a big enough battery so it never needs the gasoline engine in most driving. That’s a huge win over ICE-only cars. My… Read more »

Been owning a leaf 2nd gen for a bit over 4 years now. First I want s disappointed by the car dealer lying about the range… They announced 200km when and if I get 160 in summer it’s great, winter 110-120, it’s just enough for my use but I wish there was a bit more transparency and honesty from both everything makers and car dealers… Winter does hurt though

Gosh so many typos here, sorry for that autocorrect went loose on me 🙂

Really? What so of touch with his reply? I live in Canada and find both, the artcile and this post quite fitting.

So where do you think most people live??? … Around Oslo or in Northern Norway??? I cannot believe I am asking this question, but whatever …

I agree, as long as people are aware of impacts on range, EVs do very well in the cold. When it is really cold like this morning, ICEs create fairly significant fog banks that can border on dangerous. Also, even if my range is half in bitter cold, it is still like 50 MPGe, which is less energy than any ICE.

Even with our relatively mild winters, starting and driving an ICE in winter is never easy. My EV however, has worked flawlessly and never left me stranded..

The most important factor in how a car handles snow and ice is the choice of tire. You can put a nice set of Nokian snows on a beat up old Corolla, and it will easily out-drive a much better car wearing low profile all seasons.