Even A Tiny News Outlet In Idaho Is Overly Impressed By Chevrolet Bolt



Chevy Bolt

It’s the electric car for the masses.

We’ve heard this quite a bit in connection to the Chevrolet Bolt, but most of those mentions were from mainstream media sites.

This particular review comes to us from a small local news outlet in Idaho called Idaho News.

Idaho isn’t a hotbed for electric cars, but according to this reviewer, the Bolt is “finally an electric car real people can own.” He goes on to say “It’s quick, fun-to-drive, quiet and surprisingly comfortable for such a small vehicle.”

And concludes:

“To say I liked it is an understatement.”

Most importantly though for residents of rural areas of Idaho is the Bolt’s 238-mile range, which the reviewer says eliminates range anxiety entirely.

Other electric cars, like to Nissan LEAF, just don’t work in rural Idaho where low temps can sap range and where the distance between charging stations can be farther than the vehicle can go.

“Electric cars like the Nissan Leaf ($31,545) and Kia Soul EV ($34,845) are great for people who don’t live in a cold climate or who drive less than 80 miles a day, which is about the max you’ll be able to drive either vehicle before range anxiety sets in.”

“But the Bolt EV doesn’t have to compromise. Turn on the heat. Drive 100 miles. Feel free to “gun it” when you pass. And you’ll still make it home with plenty of charge.”

Source: Idaho News

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If the Bolt (A Puddle Jumper) is a car for the Masses. The Tesla Model 3 Being 2X’s the Size and 10X’s the Car @ a “LOWER” Sticker Price Will for Sure be the LUXURY “E” Car. Of the Masses*..The Bolt is a Lot of $$$$ for a Little Car ..Not for Me..I’d rather wait for the Model 3. Hands Down!

Let’s not get ahead of ourselves, this article is not about the Tesla. The bolt was released 1 full year earlier. We still don’t know a lot of details about the Model 3, but we do know that the cars purchased at $35K won’t be delivered for quite a while.

In addition, the model 3 will be a compact sedan, no where near “twice the size”.

By the time the Model 3 will be fully available, GM will have the opportunity to drop pricing on the bolt. Currently it has no competition in production and no incentive to drop pricing.

Let’s be realistic here please and turn off the fanboy for a second.

No way, GM can offer better prices on lower volume car and higher priced batteries then Tesla and still make profit.

Though ijonjack comment is BS.

Per Elon Musk, the higher priced deliveries will start first, so we have no evidence that Tesla can actually make any profit on the $35K base price either (at least not for the next year or so).

The Bolt isn’t low volume, it’s selling at about 1K units per month in the two states it’s available in at its current pricing. I would expect once it’s available nation wide and priced around the $25K mark, sales would be much better.

Last fact — Tesla doesn’t discount, while GM does. As soon as we start getting closer to 2018 models, you’ll start seeing major discounts on 2017s.

> The Bolt isn’t low volume, it’s selling at about 1K units per month

1K cars per month is a low volume car. When they can sell more than 25K per year in the US then it will no longer be a low volume car.

You realize that figure is for selling in only 2 states.

What makes you think GM’s batteries are more expensive than Tesla’s??

Scale. Tesla is building out the Gigafactory, and unit costs will be much lower.

Since Tesla and Panasonic keep the details about pricing as trade secrets, we can only guess what Tesla’s costs are for batteries from Gigafactory 1. Maybe they’re cheaper than the batteries GM is buying from LG Chem… and maybe they’re more expensive.

We certainly can’t state as fact that Gf batteries are cheaper than LG’s. We can only speculate.

And I am quite sure we can have prices per kWh of both Bolt and M3 batteries …

“Scale”. Apparently you don’t know that most of the cost is in the raw materials. Hence scale doesn’t help with costs very much. For serious cost reductions you need higher energy density, which so far is what has been driving cost reductions.

Scale could effect pack costs, however.

“…most of the cost [of li-ion batteries] is in the raw materials.”

This is a bad meme which gets repeated a lot, and really needs to be stamped out. If you follow such claims back to their sources, what you find is that what industry experts say is that it’s the “materials cost”… and that cost includes processing of materials, not just the raw materials cost. The reality is that in many cases it’s difficult or impossible to separate the price of materials with the price of processing those materials, because no battery maker buys raw materials; they all buy at least some materials which have already been processed to a greater or lesser degree.

We don’t know how much Gigafactory processes and automation will be able to reduce material processing costs, but certainly there is a potential there for some savings… or possibly a lot.



>What makes you think GM’s batteries are more expensive than Tesla’s??

GM acknowledged a price of $145 / kWh.

Elon acknowledged a cost below $190.
Elon stated a GF1 goal of cutting costs by at least 30%.
GF1 now producing batteries.
In materials Tesla proclaimed GF1 achieved 35% reduction.
65% of $190 = $123.50.
$123.50 < $145

You’re comparing pack price to cell price. Not that I believe either one, though.

Pack price vs cell price? That has never been clarified. When GM let drop the $145 price it was considered shockingly low and therefore considered a cell price. So are you saying that Tesla was paying $190/kWh as a pack price? If so that would make Tesla’s price advantage even greater.

I think it was pretty clear that the $145/kWh is what LG is charging GM for the cells, not a pack price; and the claimed $190 for Tesla was indeed supposedly a pack price, not a cell price. However, I’d like to see the actual quote on the latter. Was this a direct quote, or was that what some reporter figured based on what Elon said; what he figured using assumptions which may or may not have been true?

But more fundamentally, this entire chain of reasoning is fallacious. The claim of 30% (or more recently, 35%) reduction in cost is a comparison with Tesla’s cost when the Model S first went into production; it’s not a further 35% reduction as compared to Tesla’s current pack-level cost, which may or may not be as cheap as $190/kWh.

So because GF is now making batteries, they’ve automatically obtained Elon’s stated goals?

Like when Tesla has always hit the scheduled launch dates Elon has stated?

Sure is a lot of faith in your statement. I guarantee you the GF is nowhere near those stated goals. It will be a while before they hit them, if ever.

ClarksonCote said:

“I guarantee you the GF is nowhere near those stated goals.”

Guarantee? To paraphrase Inigo Montoya, I do not think that word means what you think it means.

Elon recently increased his estimate of Gigafactory cell cost savings from 30% to 35%, and that’s after the Gf started producing cells, so he’s got a better idea now of what the savings will actually be.

I agree with the conventional wisdom that Tesla always delivers what it promises; it just takes longer than they estimate.

P.S. — So what does your “guarantee” mean, ClarksonCote? What recompense does your guarantee promise, if you are shown to be factually incorrect? 😉

What I mean is, it is simply impossible for them to have reached their targeted goals having just begun battery manufacturing there.

You can claim I know nothing about guarantees, but in doing so, you show you know nothing about manufacturing.

Given GM builds about 10 million vehicles a year every part GM uses for the Bolt EV is cheaper than what Tesla pays san batteries (potentially). So the question is does Tesla’s potential battery advantage outweigh GM’s overall cost advantage. I personally don’t think so, but we’ll see.

The Bolt could have been a breakthrough car for GM, but it seems to be limping out of the starting gate. Cheap interior and lack of inventory seem to be overwhelming the positive reviews.
I am a Volt guy, I really want the Bolt to succeed. But I think that even if the III doesn’t show up in any real numbers until February or March of next year, it will be the BEV that opens the flood gates and bring BEV’s to the masses.
I think that GM must be working through a QC issue with the Bolt. The North American Bolt inventory paused at 1500-1600 for around 3 weeks and that number includes Bolts that were ordered but not actually on dealer lots. That inventory is now up to 1645, so maybe the Bolt logjam is broken.
Tesla needs to sell a lot of III’s, GM doesn’t really need to sell a lot of Bolts. GM may prefer to sell cars like the Cruze that probably make twice as much profit per car (or more) as a Bolt.

Did I miss any potential metaphors?

I spot only three metaphors, so you missed whole barrels full of ’em! 😉

Dude, you are really over-negative about GM in general, not just the Bolt.

IIRC, you were also crying the sky was falling when Volt sales were lagging back in 2014/2015 when rumors of if a Gen 2 Volt would even be released were swirling.

The Bolt has been available in *TWO* states for first 2 months of this year (and 5 days last year) and JUST recently started trickling into 3 more states (VA, MD, and MA). Were you really expecting 3-4k sales per month in just 2 states??

Bro, GM sold just 24k Volts last year, 15k in 2015 and 18 in 2014. The sky fell on the Volt! It has been selling below 30k a year and by a large amount. I hope that the new Volt will do better and so far it is doing so. So that is great. But we can’t ignore the fact that GM failed to sell Gen I Volts in more than modest amounts. It is beginning to look like the Bolt will not outperform the Gen I Volt by much. I hope GM gets their game back and sells the Bolt in larger numbers, but given the modest inventory, it will be a while before they can sell in large numbers. Sadly, I am not sure they intend to sell it in large numbers though. I have been a Volt backer since 2007. 10 years. And I have never seen GM back the Volt in any significant manner, not like the people on this site back it. I am liking Tesla more and more. I want an All American electric car. My Gen I Volt is great but GM never really pushed to make it successful. Tesla is pushing hard… Read more »

It’s expected behavior that GM wouldn’t go full speed production right out of the gate, there will always be some issues to address, and they don’t want to blast out 10,000 Bolts then discover there is a serious recall necessary.

The Bolt has made a good start. I expect they will ramp up production and sales over the course of the year.

So you have the parts list for each car and it’s price.

“Given GM builds about 10 million vehicles a year every part GM uses for the Bolt EV is cheaper than what Tesla pays san batteries (potentially).”

That will be true only for those parts which GM uses on more than one model of its cars. Since GM is apparently only planning on producing a bit over 30,000 units for the first year, and clearly has made choices which limit production (such as no right-hand-drive units); and since Tesla plans to ramp up to ~400,000 Model 3’s per year as quickly as possible…

Then I think it’s safe to say that Tesla will be paying a significantly lower per-unit cost for most of its parts for the Model 3, altho perhaps not in the first year or so of production.

Tesla is committed to producing millions os TM3s over the next 5-10 years with a target in the hundreds of thousands of units in their first full year of production.

GM may produce hundreds of thousands of Bolts over that same period with a target of 30K cars in the first full year of production.

Volume advantage is critical to cost reduction. Volume advantage of 10x goes to Tesla.

Actually if you’re talking battery costs, Tesla uses the same batteries in all it’s models as well as it’s Powerwall and Powerpack products, so a much larger volume than Chevrolet.

Direct cost is only part of cost of design, engineering, sourcing, quality control, on going cost improvement, service… There is benefit to having a culture that knows automotive manufacturing. Tesla has imported many resources from Michigan and other places that have this literally in their DNA. GM has significant cost advantage. This keeps all Tesla management up at night.

What keeps Tesla execs up at night may be a lot of things, but currently, competition from GM ain’t one of ’em. This isn’t any slam against GM; it’s just taking note of reality. The larger company, GM, has a strong disincentive to build and sell compelling EVs in large volumes, because that would cut into its own sales of more profitable gasmobiles.

Now, in the future Tesla may face stiff competition from GM and/or other legacy auto makers. But not this year, and almost certainly not next; likely not within five years.

Only if you actual make money on the sale.

It doesn’t matter the number of Bolt’s made. GM is negotiation the parts prices across their portfolio unless it’s a unique part. Can you honestly say GM doesn’t pay less per tire than Tesla from Goodyear or Michelin? What amount rare material like steel/aluminum, fasteners, screws bolts, etch?

Sure, GM pays less than Tesla for common parts such as tires and common fasteners. No doubt they’ll use an existing steering wheel, too.

But seriously, since when is either steel or aluminum a “rare material”?

I think you overestimate the number of common parts that a car like the Bolt EV shares with other GM cars. That is GM’s first built-from-the-ground-up BEV since the EV1. Note that building the entire powertrain was farmed out to LG Chem and LG Electronics; ain’t no common parts there!

GM built the Volt by sharing the front end with the Cruze. There’s no such sharing between the Bolt EV and any other GM car. Even aside from the powertrain, my guess is that the percentage of the Bolt EV which is shared GM parts, aside from common fasteners, is less than 25%. But that’s just a guess; I’m willing to be shown I’m wrong.

GM doesn’t buy “Bolt front fenders”; they buy metal and paint in enormous volume. GM also doesn’t buy “Bolt front seats” or “Bolt interior carpeting.”

In other words, GM has incredible economy of scale when it comes to turning raw materials into finished products, and reconfiguring these production lines into different parts is not quite as efficient as if they could reuse the same parts (e.g. Cruze/Volt), but I’m pretty it’s still a hell of a lot more efficient that a line that does not have the same experience reconfiguring for producing dashboards for multiple different vehicles.

Whether or not the Tesla/Panasonic marriage will produce better economy of scale than GM being able to contract for batteries on the open market on a car-to-car basis is yet to be determined. But GM unquestionably has a huge advantage in economy of scale for every other part of the car.

P.S. The Bolt uses the same front seats as one of the Opel models (not the Ampera-e), though the name escapes me at the moment.


GM dealers are offering, let’s say sub-standard, leases for the Bolt. Which is really killing sales.

GM is it’s worst enemy.

And the Bolt, is a great 4 adult car.
But, it’s not Tesla T3.
-Longer wheelbase, wider, faster, safer…

You sound like someone who actually wants a Model X. Better yet, wait for the electric Escalade.

No need to waste any time attempting rational discussion Sarcasm, this is a teslarari coven. Teslarari are the only group that is more self deluded than trump minions are.

We certainly would have a lot more rational discussion of various subjects — not just Tesla-related ones — here on InsideEVs if Tesla bashers didn’t keep poisoning the discussion with trollish and off-topic negative comments.

For example, that one of yours.

The only ones poisoning the discussion here on InsideEVs are Tesla fanbois like yourself with their cult-like Tesla worship.

Even a full size sedan wouldn’t be 2x the size. And the base $35000 Tesla model 3 is bare bones with minimal tech or luxury. You seem to be thing the Model 3 will be a Model S for $35000. I assure you it will not. The lower price has to come from somewhere, it’s not just magically cheaper.

$35K stripper will barely have a thong on !

Thank you, this officially made my Sunday.

Article about the Bolt EV.

First comment about Tesla Model 3.


And furthermore, the headline includes the not-exactly-complimentary phrase “Overly Impressed”. I don’t think this kind of bias is appropriate at InsideEVs, especially not in an article that’s not labeled “Op-Ed”.

I think GM should be given credit where credit is due. Since the Bolt has received more than one major “Car of the Year” award, it looks very much like the Bolt EV is due a lot of credit. Sure, you can slam the Bolt for cheap seats and a not exactly luxurious interior, but the point was to build something less expensive. If people want less expensive, then they shouldn’t complain about cheaper quality interior fittings.

I checked an online definition of “overly” and it had “too or very.”

An interpretation of “too” as in excessively impressed would imply the Bolt was unworthy of the praise while an interpretation of very impressed would not. The IEV author does not ridicule, contradict, correct, or openly question any assertion or opinion of the reviewer. Why/how you came to the conclusion that the headline is meant to be pejorative is a mystery.

I can’t imagine why you would post such a nonsensical semantic argument. In the context of “Even A Tiny News Outlet In Idaho Is Overly Impressed By Chevrolet Bolt”, the word “Overly” can’t reasonably be interpreted as anything other than “excessively”.

BTW, my Merriam-Webster dictionary defines “overly” as “to an excessive degree”, with no other definition given. So I suggest you need a better dictionary than the one you’re using.

Also, “Gasbag”, your English is too good to excuse your apparent confusion as coming from someone with English as a second language. I guess you’re just trolling, or — given your chosen screen name — just intentionally bloviating.

I don’t know how you can see ‘overly impressed’ as anything other than complimentary.

I don’t see how anyone who has a good grasp of English can see the phrase “overly impressed”, which means “excessively impressed”, as anything but a pejorative. That phrase indicates someone is too easily impressed, calling their judgement into question and at least strongly implying, if not outright stating, that the thing being praised isn’t as good as the “overly impressed” person says it is.

And if you disagree… well, I’ll just get out of your way and let you directly argue with the dictionary, instead of playing intermediary.

I understand your point but I doubt it was intended in the way you’re interpreting it. One of those “flying airplanes can be dangerous” situations.

The phrase “Flying planes can be dangerous” contains an obvious ambiguity. If you see any ambiguity in the description “Overly Impressed”, even the smallest degree of ambiguity, then you see something I don’t.

You know already how much a Tesla 3 will cost?
To my knowledge the car is not ready and can’t be purchased yet.

Let’s see if the author ever buys one…

Good for the Bolt, good for ev adoption.

I had the opportunity to drive a friend’s Bolt the other day. I was very impressed with its handling. Acceleration was amazing. Interior room was quite spacious. And I had no discomfort issues with the seats whatsoever.

Oh, and the regen! In “Low” mode, even without using the regen paddle, the Bolt EV slows down over twice as fast as the Volt does at slower speeds, and also comes to a complete stop with no pressing of the brake (it will not do this when in “Drive” mode).

All in all, it’s a great vehicle. I can see why it gets so many rave reviews.

Yeah, I’m the ‘friend’ ClarksonCote mentioned (must not want to be associated with me publically). Probably can’t convince NYSERDA to give me a $2000 rebate for a 32 day too early purchase.

Haha! Just didn’t want to throw you into the bull pen Bill, I was hoping you’d chime in though. 🙂

Thanks for the link Sven. I’ve known about the rebate since they announced it last year. It kills me that NYSERDA dragged their feet a full year implementing this rebate.

Congratulations on buying a Bolt! I hope NYS will grandfather all EVs purchased from January 1 to March 31 to be eligible for the rebate.

My BOLT ev purchase was unintentionally messy – as a consolation I did get a $1000 sweetener on my GM credit card that I took advantage of the last day it was available (2/28/17).

I doubt they’ll make it retroactive. Its rather like NYS taxes – if you fail to take a tax deduction you’re entitled to the state will never bring it to your attention.

But I did get exactly what I wanted..

Interestingly, the dealers around me must be reading all the ‘expert’ opinions on these forums. All the new BOLT ev’s seemingly are being equipped with the $750 CCS option.

I’ll say one thing for the car that I haven’t seen mentioned: at 75 mph the drive train is very quiet – I like that because it means things like the double reduction helical gears are not being overly stressed. Plus it makes for a very enjoyable ride.

The Bolt might very well replace my Volt next year. They recently put in DC fast chargers at the Downstate Thruway service areas, but unfortunately only per each side. At least I can go to the next exit and double back to the other side if a fast charger is down on the side of the Thruway I’m traveling on. It’ll just be a pain.

Ya all thats nice but you forgot to mention that its ugly. And looks are what matter.

I really get a kick out of those replies from you, because of your name Koenigsegg.

Yes, not as nice looking as your crazy expensive car.

Ironically, I’m pretty sure Koenigsegg used to drive a Smart EV. He presently drives a blacked out 2nd Gen Volt, not a Koenigsegg. I have a photogenic memory. 😉

It will come to a complete stop and hold it there if in “D” and you use the paddle.

Ah yes, you did mention that but I didn’t test it.

Thanks again for the test drive Bill! Definitely a fun car.

Just as a note. In when driving the Bolt EV in drive the regen paddle will bring the car to a stop (and disables the creep). Personally I found the regen in L too strong and it unnecessarily slows the car too much. Personally I enjoyed driving the Bolt EV in drive and occasionally using the regen paddle.

If the PSA – GM deal is announced tomorrow and they are licensed to build and sell it in Europe, at the right price, this will sell in huge numbers IMO.

Lots of media enthusiasm for Bolt, often touted as a real embarrassment for Tesla as it beat Model 3 to the market. Meanwhile consumers are complaining about poor seats and a plasticy interior and dealers are complaining about unprecedented levels of order cancellations. In only it’s second full month of deliveries saw an unexpected drop rather than a further rise in sales.

Odd discrepancy between media enthusiasm and reports of lacklustre consumer response. My take: Model 3 even though not yet available has raised the bar of expectations to a level that Bolt just can’t deliver, being marketed as an urban vehicle with no quick charge capabilities even worth the name, and conceptually more like an $15K econobox rather than something that matches ~$40K stickerprice.

I think you are correct in your evaluation. IMO, the Bolt was designed to convert people driving ICE cars to first time EV buyers and not so much conquest sales from previous EV buyers. In the case of current EV fans, if they have a fair amount of money, nothing short of a Tesla will do. If they are on a budget, the give away lease prices on Leafs and compliance cars will do. The Bolt is stuck in the middle. Not cheap enough for the budget EV driver and not sexy enough, or enough status for the elite EV buyer, but there is still hope for the Bolt. Little by little the non EV fans, the general ICE buying public will slowly turn on to it like they have the Volt. It will be slow and steady, mostly propagated by word of mouth, but it will get there. I am one of those converts. The Model 3 was a disappointment for me. It is a sedan, so that’s a deal killer right there. It’s also ultimately going to cost way too much for me. The Bolt is barely affordable, but I can stretch and get it. The Model 3… Read more »

Unprecedented levels of order cancellations? Really?

Do you have a link for your claim that “dealers are complaining about unprecedented levels of order cancellations?”

Well think of it in this way. For one it’s unprecedented since no mass market high mileage ev has ever been on the market.

In a sense anything the Bolt does is unprecedented. It doesn’t mean anything.
It’s never happened before there is no precedent.
Now if had of said that there were a larger number of cancellations when compared to other vehicles, then that would have mattered.

That’s an unprecedented point of view ffbj. 😉

“dealers are complaining about unprecedented levels of order cancellations.”
I have really good google fu skills and cannot find anything that reports this. I’m not connected to the industry anymore, so I don’t have regular contact with industry rumors; therefore I can’t say you’re not right. (The car is really much smaller than Americans generally want these days in something that will set them back by >$30k.) But if you could quote it here I’d like to read about it from some attributable source. For that matter even an OK industry rag quoting “unnamed sources” would do.

“Model 3 even though not yet available has raised the bar of expectations to a level that Bolt just can’t deliver”
Currently I’m reading posts in which people (and some journos) are gleefully awaiting much more interior space, Head-Up displays, self-driving, and >250mi range all for $35k. The M3 won’t come close to “delivering” on those expectations, either.

It was reported by Elektrek, which has long been the naysayer-in-chief where the Bolt is concerned. Its relentless trolling of the Bolt paused briefly when they actually drove and liked the car, but old habits die hard over there.

This is the elektrek article reporting on disappointing Bolt sales in February:


Some quotes:

“Hopefully, it’s a production constraint issue and not a demand limitation issue since GM expanded the market for the Bolt from just California and Oregon by adding Massachusetts, Maryland and Virginia last month”

“Hopefully, the numbers will start to go up with the addition of New York and New Jersey this month. Our publisher Seth, who lives in New York, ordered one and should be getting it shortly”

Yes, electrek’s bias against Bolt is obvious…./sarcasm.

I had to search myself a bit to find where I read about order cancellations. Turns out it wasn’t the greatest of sources, a reader comment over at GCR:

“Here’s an interesting anecdote: When I was telling the owner of my local Chevy dealer that I was passing on my Bolt order, he said that he had never had so many cancelled orders on a new vehicle. I had told him that I was sure he had many folks waiting in the wings to buy the car, but he hesitated to agree. He didn’t know why there were so many cancellations, but he was concerned about sales”.

So that’s pretty anecdotal, yet in line with February sales numbers.

I think some of them may be getting siphoned off to Lyft, for a few reasons.

Thank you. Anedotal is OK as long as it’s described as such, and it is.

I am a big fan of what Chevy has done with Volt and Bolt, and I know there are huge fans. But I also know that the Bolt is SMALL, and despite great internal packaging it will dissappoint some people.

Except for the dedicated and well-heeled early adopter, the general EV candidate buyer has also become aware (and expectant) of enormous, “out-of-the-money” lease discounts. This phenomenon is now preseumed to occur right out of the box and the GM distribution chain doesn’t appear to be ready to float the dough.

Finally both the extant (and excess) 100mi-ish models and extraordinarily depreciated gently used models are just so cheap to be very distracting. I mean, really: a brand new 100mi range Leaf for $15k less or a Gen1 Volt with de minimus miles for even less is very compelling.

If Bolt sales are lackluster it is because dealers, in general, are beyond naive. Just look at some of the stories people have reported online about dealer experiences so far.

Aside from that, it is only just now starting to get stocked in volume outside CA and OR, so cut the sales numbers a bit of slack.

“Order Cancellations.”

I’d only expect that around me since I live in a poor area – I bought the BOLT ev since I really LIKE electric cars and longed to have a decent range fully BEV again.

But I have to admit that the far more practical choice – especially for someone counting their pennies – is either a used GEN 1 or new GEN 2 volt.

Both VOLTS are excellent cars, and the GEN 2 can go so far on juice alone that it is essentially all electric for most people.

The BOLT ev is a good try seeing as we are still in the ‘era of expensive batteries’ – they’ve greatly come down in price, but I still wish the pouches were $5 instead of $10,000.

For my rather poor area of the country, a cost-effective sized VOLT battery, and a small ICE is the best for the vast majority of people; the engine rarely runs, and when it does it is far more efficiently used and more quiet than an I3 Rex, for instance.

How can it be possible that this car (the Bolt) be for the masses? It isn’t even supercharged capable. For a few hundred dollars you can get the supercharged option, however it takes more than an hour and a half to charge to 80% on the 50 kilowatt charger. I think people are being paid to hand out these awards for this vehicle.

Well, more accurately the Bolt is a car for the upper middle class masses. Other than the Bolt, what BEV on the market really is for the masses? The Tesla products cost too much and all the rest are too short ranged to meet the needs and driving habits of many, many people.

The Bolt is in a class of it’s own. Eventually it will have competitors, but for now it is the closest thing out there that can meet the needs of nearly everyone’s daily routine and be semi affordable.

As to the awards, what car do you feel is more deserving of those awards? I can’t think of any. Like it or not, the Bolt is a pretty awesome accomplishment for GM. Don’t worry, or be bitter, next year Tesla will get it’s awards too.

Other than the Bolt, what BEV on the market really is for the masses?
There is no mass-market Bev out there today. A Bev has to be priced below $26,000, charge to 80% in less than 15 minutes and have an electric range of 245 miles or more to be considered a mass-market vehicle. In the next few years I believe there will be Mass Market battery electric vehicles. I have a model 3 reservation. The model 3 is not a mass-market electric vehicle and I don’t believe it ever will be. It is an entry level luxury vehicle.

Thank you for that reality check. Even though it’s a dose of cold water on hopes for an “everyman” EV coming soon, we need to keep that reality in mind. Unrealistic hopes only lead to disappointment.

The Model 3 is simply being marketed to a different group of EV enthusiasts vs Bolt drivers. There are inherent reasons why people choose one over the other: Hatchback vs sedan Urgent white sticker access (since Bolt Can be purchased now) Trunk space that hatchback delivers vs sedan Readily compatible hitch receiver (offered by Bolt as an out the door accessory) Bling vs practical Sporty vs cargo room for soccer/camping//martial arts/biking/hiking gear Re: people’s knockdowns Not sure about the “plasticky” comment since I got the Premier. It has DC charging option to adapt to CCS. I have not used it since I’ve only driven 65 miles round trip max which meant I topped off overnight with 110V outlet. Nope it does not benefit from a supercharger network like the Tesla. But if we all want the EV network to take hold, it will not depend on ONE network. My take? 2 Chademo,2 CCS, 2 J1772 and 1-2 Tesla SC in EVERY existing gas station. Let’s leverage existing infrastructure. $15k econobox comment – have you driven one? This comment seems coming from left field and sounds like you want to justify your fanboy feel for Tesla so you have to knock… Read more »

Please stop with the intelligent comments. We don’t do that here. (JK … sort of). But yes, agree with most of what you’ve written.

Ditto DonC’s comment.

BTW: is anyone imagining their base Model 3 will be less “plasticky” than the Bolt?

Thank you for those first-hand impressions from an actual Bolt EV owner, “Dabo Girl”.

Re your opinions of the Tesla Model S: I find it refreshing to hear from an EV owner who’s not a Tesla fanboy (or fangirl, either) 🙂 . But I’d like to clarify one thing: If you’re not carrying passengers in the rear seats, then the MS has plenty of room in back for a bicycle and other gear, as seen here:


The Bolt is already selling for around $33K in Canada, do the currency conversion, that’s with DCFC. So GM has lots of margin with the Bolt, they are not losing $9k on each Bolt. I love Tesla but don’t drink too much Tesla Koolaid. The Base II will not have super charging, that will be an option. Bigger batteries don’t bet on anything over about 65kWh. and If you want options well you won;t get out the door for under about $45k

All guesses. The base Model 3 still has more tech than the Bolt as well as advanced over the air upgrades. The rest, including the price is speculation.

What I think you’re saying is that your guesses are facts and other people’s guesses are guesses.

I’m not sure we’ll see a base Model 3 but, assuming we do, what great technology would it have that the Bolt EV lacks? I’m thinking it’s the other way around.

Went for a test drive in a Bolt.

Felt embarrassed being in it.

Yes it drives great but simply because that’s how superior the electric drivetrain is.

The Bolt is a wacky non attractive shape.

I missed my Volt when I was in it. Bolt is whatever. Another meh EV.

Model 3 is superior to it and isn’t even out yet.

The Model S actually is superior. How many did you buy? It’s ridiculous to proclaim the Model 3 superior when nobody even knows for sure what it even is yet. Still, I get it. The 3 as shown thus far does look better. Looks are important.

However I can’t afford a Model 3 and I can a Bolt. The Bolt is here now and it is the same “wacky” shape as dozens of other cars on the road. I’ll live. You keep waiting. You will be rewarded (at a cost) with an awesome status symbol.

Actually you can afford a Model 3 and you can’t afford a Bolt. Model 3 is the same money as Bolt and actually looks its price tag and comes with serious quick charge support. That means that Bolt will soon be considered overpriced and obsolete, depreciating like last year’s laptop making it a thoroughly unaffordable car.

By the time Model 3 is being delivered in volume late this year, GM will have about a year’s sales of the Bolt under their belt and will be offering a 2018 model with a few minor tweaks/upgrades and probably a price drop, or at least increased incentives to make sure it’s cost competitive with whatever else is available by then.

Meanwhile there will be no $35,000 Model 3s produced for quite a while.

That’s quite possible.

It doesn’t change the reality that Tesla is moving to (not just planning to) ramp up Model 3 production quickly to ~400,000 per year, whereas GM has so many constraints on production (such as limited battery supply) that they couldn’t ramp up to anywhere near that level even if they wanted to… which they don’t.

just wanted to say, Jay-Z is whack. painfully so. so, so many superior hip hop artists out there and you use him as an avatar. it speaks to your ridiculous ideas regarding importance of appearance — like Jay-Z, you are status quo.