EU Committee on Transport and Tourism In-line With European Parliament on Transition From CHAdeMO To Combo 2

NOV 27 2013 BY MARK KANE 15

The EU Committee on Transport and Tourism released a press release in which it backs the European Parliament draft on alternative fuel station network expansion and EV charging standards.

First of all, the EU wants to ensure that member states will build out the infrastructure by tax and public procurement incentives.

“EU member states would have to ensure that specified numbers of electric vehicle recharging points and hydrogen and natural gas stations are built by 2020, under a draft directive endorsed by the Transport and Tourism Committee on Tuesday.”

Charging points:

“- a minimum number of recharging points for electric vehicles provided in the draft directive (see table below) would have to be put into place by member states, especially in towns,”

Member state Number of publicly-accessible recharging points by 2020 (in thousands)
BE 12
BG 4
CZ 7
DK 3
DE 86
EE 1
IE 1
EL 7
ES 47
FR 55
IT 72
CY 1
LV 1
LT 2
LU 1
HU 4
MT 1
NL 18
AT 7
PL 26
PT 7
RO 6
SI 1
SK 2
FI 4
SE 8
UK 70
HR 2

 

Hydrogen refuelling points:

“- in countries where hydrogen refuelling points already exist, a sufficient number of refuelling points should be made available, at intervals not exceeding 300 km. MEPs added a requirement for building up numbers of hydrogen refuelling points in member states where they do not yet exist, with a deadline of 31 December 2030.”

Liquefied Natural Gas (LNG) refuelling points:

“- for heavy duty vehicles, refuelling points for LNG along the roads on the TEN-T Core Network should be established at intervals not exceeding 400 km,”

Compressed Natural Gas (CNG) refuelling points:

“- a sufficient number of CNG refuelling points should be available, at maximum intervals of 100 km.”

 

But let’s get back to charging standards. EU will go with 1- and 3-phase AC charging standard Type 2 (aka Mennekes) with power up to 43.5 kW. In some countries, it will additionally get shutters.

“For electric recharging, Transport Committee MEPs backed a European Commission proposal for “Type 2” connectors, but added that, where required by national law, these may be fitted with additional safety shutters.”

When it comes to quick charging – nothing changed and we believe that the EU still wants to kill CHAdeMO one way or another and force a move to Combo 2 despite some suggestion that this is not the case.

For fast recharging, “Combo 2” connectors should be used, although for a transition period ending on 1 January 2019, fast recharging points may additionally be equipped with “CHAdeMO” connectors. Recharging points installed within three years of the directive’s entry into force could nonetheless remain in service.

Until the end of 2018 we “may” install CHAdeMO as something additional and then… good question. The logic indicates that after 2018 we “may not” install it, but old units can still work.

The final agreement is scheduled for Spring 2014 and then we will know the truth.

Direct Current (DC) fast recharging points for electric vehicles may be alternatively equipped with connectors of Type "CHAdeMO" for a transitional period ending on 31 December 2018.

Direct Current (DC) fast recharging points for electric vehicles may be alternatively equipped with connectors of Type “CHAdeMO” for a transitional period ending on 31 December 2018.

Source: Draft

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15 Comments on "EU Committee on Transport and Tourism In-line With European Parliament on Transition From CHAdeMO To Combo 2"

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Europeans of course can choose whatever standard they deem necessarily, however this “Bureaucratic-ese” makes me think if I were a European, this is another unnecessary rule being foisted on me without my representation, a la the 100% effective French tax rate.

Chademo seems to have already been the defacto standard in Europe for years now, plus many Japanese car companies have adopted it as their Standard. Why not leave well enough alone?

JakeY
CHAdeMO hasn’t really reached “defacto” status yet in the EU. Yes, it has plenty of chargers there (way more than US although still way less than Japan), but the EV sales haven’t been good enough in the places that have them. The top EV country, Norway, is not in the EU. In terms of overall auto markets: it’s ordered Germany, France, UK, Italy. And the CHAdeMO EVs are selling quite slow in those markets. The most significant was the iMIEV clones ordered by France, but besides from that they are very slow sellers relative the market size. Leaf cumulative sales in the EU is around 7k and iMIEV clones around 11k (not all of which have the CHAdeMO option). The best seller in France, the Zoe (totaling 7.5k in Europe thus far just this year alone), does not have CHAdeMO. In Germany, the market is ripe for the i3 to take by storm. I think from an automakers perspective, if they going with type 2 anyways, having Combo2 is a lot more convenient than adding another port for CHAdeMO. CHAdeMO only made sense for the Leaf and iMIEV because they were carrying over from Japan (heck the Leaf even comes… Read more »
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Hmm, nothing in the draft linked here says anything about what happens in 2019, does it? The “objective” is to find a “single standard” by then, but nothing in this text calls for it to be Combo 2 (or CHAdeMO, or anything else, for that matter).

Again, what’s with this assertion that anything will be “banned”? MEPs disproved that already: http://fionahall.org.uk/en/article/2013/713537/no-electric-car-charger-ban-hall

Just in my own opinion as an individual, not as site editor:

Given what we have seen, there would seem to be a definite movement here to move fast charging in Europe to have all new stations be (at the very least) Combo 2 stations…otherwise I would suggest if they really want to have the deepest, most abundant infrastructure they should just leave it alone – let the market decide, and eventually someone will win and all the stations will be converted to that format or cease to operate.

It appears (at least on the surface) the EU Committee is strong-arming a move to Combo 2, while making concessions for the standard for system in place now and all the owners who rely on it (and given the fact there is no force behind installing widespread Combo 2s at all atm, which would stifle short term expansion). Additionally, why all the deadline/”period ending” language, if not to implement this change? Makes no sense if not to be attempting to legislate a winner.

Cavaron

Just to make sure I didn’t got it wrong: We are talking here about public chargers funded partial or whole with EU/national government money. No one is preventing private investors/companys to install what ever chargers they like, including CHAdeMO, Tesla (which seems to be an upgraded Type2 kind of plug in EU) and so on, at their shops or highway rest-stops or wherever they can buy or rent some space? Right? EU just says: our money will be used primarily for Combo, and in 2017 maybe only for that.

So no big deal imo, government is just trying to establish a standard and push EVs over this corner… Or did I got that wrong? And btw. CHAdeMO had it’s chance. 30 Stations in Germany by now, mostly in the northwest, come on… A big agreement with Nissan, Mitsu and PSA to install puplic chargers at every dealer in 2010, and everybody would zip some tea while charging 🙂

JakeY

Well the wording as it is now suggests a “transition” away from CHAdeMO in 2019, not that there will be a decision made then. For example: “fast recharging points may additionally be equipped with CHAdeMO connectors”, “may be alternatively equipped with connectors of type CHAdeMO”.

“additionally” and “alternatively” sure sounds to me like the primary standard will be Combo2 and that it’s intended to be a “phase out” of CHAdeMO. The language for CHAdeMO was added in order to ensure that chargers going forward until 2019 can still have CHAdeMO on them.

Also, no one is saying “banning” anywhere (as in not allowing it at all) and certainly existing CHAdeMO chargers won’t be ripped out (this applies only to new chargers).

Very well said Bill.

Why endorse a standard that don’t have any ev’s to plug in to it? (CCS)
I guess in Europe they call it: Reverse Psychology.
All the European and American car manufacturer endorsed a standard they didn’t have a car to plug in to! (CCS)

Type 2 allows for up to 43 Kwh Charge rate, why do they need (ccs dc fast charge)?
Talk about confusing the heck out the consumer.
I know, Tesla will make an adaptor and use the CCS like they are going to use the CHAdeMO.

I Drive Electric, You CanToo…….

Ydnas7

that document seems more incompatible with the idea of Tesla’s free forever Superchargers than it is with Chademo

that document also seems to demean 22kW AC as inferior to 25 DC.

there are 3 EU standards currently deployed

Tesla supercharger, which seems to belong to a different universe than the EU document

Chademo, the globally consistent DC standard, widely deployed in EU, lets see the year end 2013 count, supported by real cars from real factories with real EU ownership.

Mennekes type 2 AC/DC, complete EU ownership, well supported upto 22kW AC via vehicles, with Renault supporting up to 44kW AC on ZOE and presumably future (2014 perhaps) Fluence/Kangoo etc. also seems preferred standard for Mercedes and Volvo.

So other German/US automakers seek to add another, incompatible, fast charging spec – DC Combo EU spec, and lobby very hard to have it to exlcude its competitors.

Bloggin

Moving to DC Combo Chargers is the only logical option for the future.

Just like 3 years ago there were very few Chademo chargers, 3 years from now there will be even more Combo Chargers servicing plug in vehicles from VW, Audi, BMW, Mini, Porsche, Chevrolet, Cadillac, Ford, Lincoln, Volvo, Mercedes, Smart to name just a few. With Nissan/Renault converting to the DC Combo charger with the next gen Leaf/Zoe models.

The same will happen in the US, with Japan holding on to their standard in their smaller closed market.

Brian S

@Bloggin,
Really? Nissan sells record number of Leafs, you bad mouth them and claim eminent switch to CCS. Nissan announces another round of funding for Chademo chargers in the US, you still claim switch any day now.

You have been so wrong, so many times declaring the death of Chademo. Are you a just fan boy or does anyone pay you to FUDing Chademo and Leaf and to praise Ford? Help me figure out what makes your disinformation tick.

Brian S

Oh and I missed the 110 CHAdeMO chargers Nissan announced today rolling out in the UK with free charging.

Nor did I mention the Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV with CHAdeMO that will be selling in the thousands soon in Europe too.

Nor that Telsa owners are now using CHAdeMO converters bringing in a new client base for the chargers.

Your FUD can’t keep up with the real momentum.

Loboc

Government can’t dictate VHS or BetaMax either. The market will decide the standard.

With the Frankenplug standard in still-born status in the USA, and still no Frankenplug cars as we close out 2013, the only hope that GM and German car makers have is bullying regulators to force their niche, unproven plug.

CHAdeMO is an open, JIS and IEC standard. Any manufacturer can implement it, and a bunch did already, e.g: http://www.chademo.com/wp/items/

Heck, we have now learned that BMW will offer CHAdeMO in Japan on their i3, as will VW. Tesla, too.

But, not a single one of the actual mass produced EV makers, Mitsubishi (30,000), Nissan (80,000), Renault (20,000) and Tesla (20.000) have any plans to use Frankenplug.

GM did make 400 total EVs since 2000, none of which even have Frankenplug.

Since the wireless standard has been set up.. let’s just go with that 🙂

Jeff Songster

Current wireless is too slow at 3.3kW…

Go CHAdeMO!