Meet The Guy Who Beat A Tesla P100D With His $13,000 Trash Car

5 months ago by Sebastian Blanco 50

Eric Lundgren Phoenix EV

He’s done it again. Eric Lundgren took parts that other people thought were trash, turned them into a DIY, long-range EV he called the Phoenix.

Last month (on April 1, somewhat unfortunately, since people thought it was a prank) he went on a range test versus a handful of OEM EVs and beat them all. Last week, to both emphasize that it wasn’t a prank and to correct for some of the perceived faults in the first run, Lundgren took the Phoenix out again, cruising from the San Fernando Valley in Los Angeles down to San Diego and back.

As befitting a stunt like this in the Internet age, there’s a video:

Let’s make one thing clear at the outset: while Lundgren loves electric vehicles (he owns three, including a Tesla), this stunt isn’t really about EVs.

Instead, it’s about hybrid recycling, a term he coined to highlight the tremendous amounts of electronic waste that Americans generate.

As ITAP’s YouTube videos show, this is a problem we have the ability to solve, we just need the desire. Lundgren figured if he could take literal trash and use it to beat brand new EVs on the road, that would draw attention to his mission of diverting valuable electronics from the landfill and back into use.

Eric Lundgren in the Phoenix EV

Eric Lundgren in the Phoenix EV

Here’s some of our conversation with Eric, edited for clarity. As you can see, even on an hour-and-a-half of sleep after finishing his drive, he’s quite the talker. I recommend setting aside some time to read the whole thing.

What is ‘hybrid recycling,’ and why bother?

EL: We set out to prove a point. We really want to bring awareness to hybrid recycling, which is an inefficiency in America. Basically, revolving around electronics. It’s not a sexy topic. Since we do that on a micro level, I decided to blow it up into a macro level just to garnish attention, and to gain interest from people that would otherwise not care about hybrid recycling. I also wanted to push the EV industry. I own two of those cars that go 90 miles on a charge. They’re just annoying. I also own a Tesla. I spend, or my company spent, $145,000 on this Tesla, and it gets 255 miles with a nine percent degradation the first year out. I’m big fan of Tesla. They make really cool looking cars. I’m a big fan of Elon Musk, except when it comes to hybrid recycling. That company is not practicing hybrid recycling, and they should be. They’re the industry leader when it comes to green, and environmental inefficiency. The thought that they just melt their battery packs irks me being that it’s my industry.

I’m hoping that if nothing else, those out there, the powers that be, that read what you write will be pushed and motivated to start practicing hybrid recycling. When I say the powers that be, I mean corporations that manufacture these electronics, but then, in many cases, don’t actually salvage the working parts and components, or let others salvage the working parts and components for different applications away from the auto industry. When it’s mandatory to put something into a landfill, that’s just an archaic solution to the fastest growing waste problem in the world, which is electronic waste. If we do things like this, and nobody hears about them, then we’re having a rock concert in the middle of the woods with nobody listening.

In regards to China. There’s a place in Southern China, right next to Shenzhen. I lived there for four and a half years. I went over there when I was 19 years old. Then I went back when I was 23. I stayed until I was 28. When I lived there, I learned the language. I speak fluent Mandarin. I went over looking for opportunity in the recycling realm. I analyzed everything that they did correctly, and everything that they’re doing wrong. They neglect  having a full recycling process where zero percent of the product goes into a landfill or hurts the environment. But they were also doing something right. One thing that we don’t do in America. They were reusing the parts. They were reusing the components. In America, sometimes, we reuse parts, right? We’ll take RAM or a hard drive, or maybe we’ll replace the LCD screen. What we won’t do is, we won’t reuse batteries. When you drop your electronic device in America, we instantly identify cosmetic defect as functional defect. We identify that if it has one functional defect, now it’s trash. It’s been ingrained in us as a consumer society.

Eric Lundgren and the Phoenix EV.

What that’s creating, is the world’s largest waste epidemic called E-Waste. It’s not really mandated well. It goes into our landfills, in your backyard, and it leaks harmful chemicals into our environment like lead, and mercury, and bromine, and cadmium. Then we drink our water, and eat our food, and wonder why we get cancer. It’s just one of the many reasons why we get cancer. But it’s a big contributing factor. Our solution, in America, is to shred it, or smelt it, melt it down, or bury it in the dirt. All three of those solutions destroy any potential value, don’t allow for any potential reuse. They’re just primitive. It’s bad for the environment. It’s bad for business.

This thing that I do, hybrid recycling, it’s a global solution. You need to be able to get the working parts back to wherever things are getting manufactured. In America, we don’t value batteries, and capacitors, and RAM, and IC chip sets, and all that jazz. In the world, those products are highly valued. When I went to China and stayed for five years, I saw a lot of people make millions of dollars very quickly. What they were doing was buying America’s trash from corporations, and from landfills, and from recyclers or fake recycles. Guys would aggregate, collect, and then sell to China. They were buying it all up, and then they were selling each piece by piece to factories to build new products. It was brilliant. When I came back to America, I said, “Well, why don’t we just do that here?” So, we did. We started a company to do it here. It started out, the moral of the company was, “We’re going to become successful by doing something that’s good for society.”

It was hard to change the mentality of corporations. Every corporation thought, “Wait a minute. You’re going to pay me for this trash? I’ve been spending millions of dollars a year to get rid of it, processing it in an environmentally friendly fashion. Now, you’re going to pay me to take it? What’s the catch?” Right? It throws people off. We’re doing this cool thing, hybrid recycling, but the problem is, nobody understands it yet. When I try to explain it to people, it either goes over their head. If they understand, they don’t care until they start seeing the applications. When I start showing the cool things that we can build, that’s when you getting people’s attention. We’re going to build a solar power array out of used batteries, made from over 95 percent trash, and it’s going to tour around with a well-known rock band. They’re going to play every one of their rock concerts off of garbage, off of what consumers threw away.

Electric Car

The Phoenix electric car by ITAP

On building the Phoenix:

We built this car. It broke the world record that we’re going to talk about today. We built the whole thing. 88 percent of the car is literally garbage. The chassis is a 1997 E39 528i BMW chassis. When I got it, it had a blown motor. I think we spent 500 bucks at a landfill. We dragged it out of a landfill. It didn’t even have an axle. The thing was getting ready to be crushed in one of those giant cube-it-up machines to go ahead for steel value. The batteries all came from cable boxes for your home TV that had little 18650 batteries in them. 2,800 milliamp, 18650 batteries. We used those. Then we used laptop batteries from a well-known brand that I called up and said, “Hey, do you mind if I use your laptop batteries?” Then we used EV batteries that the EV industry said, “Nope. They’re dead.” That car company said, “Well, these ones are toast.”

What we found was, when you open up the pack, 80 percent of the actual batteries are perfectly working. They’re perfect. The problem is that once over 20 percent degradation occurs in the pack, in America we say it’s trash. We aggregated all these batteries and made this giant 130-kilowatt power battery pack. Slapped two seats in there, an AC-51 motor. The entire car was built in less than 35 days in somebody’s backyard, under a tarp. We have videos where it’s pouring down rain, we’re under a tarp building this thing at three o’clock in the morning, and I’m paying my engineers in Keystone Lights. That’s what they took for payment.

They just wanted to be a part of something like this because they believed in it. It was a group effort. There’s a lot of people that jumped on the bandwagon. It became this cool movement where the entire car was built for $13,000, in 35 days.

Mercedes-Benz Energy – Storage Grid

What about grid storage for old EV batteries?

EL: You need to mass-produce a grid storage solution. Companies like Tesla know how to do it with a brand new battery because there’s less variables. It’s harder to do it with a bunch of batteries that all have different chemical structures, right? And all have different levels of degradation. We built a giant Cadex machine that has the ability to test every chemical type of battery. Then we built a giant power array so that we don’t waste the power, but we cycle it between one battery to another as we’re testing the batteries. Then we built a giant line in my facility to be able to demanufacture these packs, and get the cells, and test each cell, and grade each cell so that you can have uniformity.

Once we got to that point, it’s really easy to apply them in any new application. We have the ability as a country and as a society to reuse all of the EV batteries. When degradation goes below 80 percent in the EV realm, EV companies say the battery is garbage. They send it to guys like me, recyclers. Or they try to recycle it themselves. Now, at that point, you have smart EV companies. Fiat and Chrysler jumped on the bandwagon very quickly and said, “We don’t want to be wasteful. Let’s find solutions for these batteries.” I don’t do recycling for Chevy, but I have to say, I’m impressed with what they’ve done with their Volt battery, and power grid storage. They’ve gone as far as making the chassis of that battery into a bat cave habitat. Bats love that dark environment.

Is that a scalable solution? No. But we don’t need a scalable solution for the fiberglass or the plastic. We need scalable solution for the batteries. That’s 95% of the carbon footprint that goes into making a pack, is the actual cells. Those cells are what hold such a high utilitarian value in our society. Again, you have to be able to reuse them in a non-competing field, right? In my industry, it gets very particular. I can’t take batteries from Tesla, and go make cars out of them. Tesla’s going to go, “Hey, wait a minute. We sell cars, right? You’re competing with us.”

That’s not what I want to do. What I want to do is, I want to take all of the batteries out there from every kind of EV, okay? I want to extract the individual cells. On a cell level, for example, on a Tesla, there’s what? 6,000 to 8,000 cells depending on the model? Right? I want to take each one of those cells out. I want to Cadex test those cells. I know that it’s actually, economically feasible to do this. It’s profitable both for Tesla, for me, or for Chevy, GM, Honda. You name it, it’s profitable to do this for the company which is important, otherwise they’re not going to do it, right? They answer to shareholders. If it’s not making money, then they’ll figure out a reason to say why they can’t do it.

It’s a natural process for the EV batteries to end up in power array systems. How cool would it be if, when you’re driving your EV, and you drive out into the middle of nowhere, where at best you’re going to get 220 volts. You can swing by a charger set-up, which is a solar power array to used battery packs to a fast, in the middle of the desert, and plug in and fill up in 30 minutes. That is my goal. That’s what I want to do with these batteries.

The EV world says, “Oh, [a battery is] garbage at 80 percent degradation.” That’s after you drive a car for, let’s say five to seven years. Let’s say you drive a car, and you get in an accident. Then you have to replace your battery pack. You start getting these battery packs in within the first week of a car coming out. They have to change the battery pack out if it was damaged in any way. None of these are Frankensteined together in America and refurbished. They’re all just replaced. It’s a lot of waste that we’re talking about here. When the EV says it’s trash, we should use them in solar powered supercharger array that works around the country.

When I say ‘we’ I’m not talking about pipe dreams. I’m talking about I’m going to be doing this. I’m going to be producing. I can do 1,000 of those a year right now with my little company. We can knock out 1,000 of those a year, a fast-charging network of solar powered stations built from 90 percent trash. The next step is, when the batteries degrade to a point where they’re not useful in that realm, then you use those same batteries at your house.

From a corporate level, I’m like this little training ant. I have a company of 113 people. We have four facilities. We have 240,000 square feet in four countries. I started that company five years ago with $100,000 that we were loaned. We’re now at $48,000,000 a year. That, to me, people can go, “Oh, that’s big.” I go, “No, no, no. I’m like this little, tiny ant that’s barely able to scream loud enough for these giants to hear. I crawl up a giant like Tesla’s shoulder, and I just scream as loud as I can in their ear.” I go, “Please just turn right. Just a little bit, just one percent. Just turn right just a little bit.” When they do, the change is just momentous. We’re able to take that and really impact change in these giant companies. That trickles down to impacting everybody else.

 

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50 responses to "Meet The Guy Who Beat A Tesla P100D With His $13,000 Trash Car"

  1. randomhuman says:

    This BMW is literally full of batteries. You can’t even fit 4 people in. The Tesla has an astonishing range and can fit a whole family in. If you’d fill the Tesla up with Batteries in the trunk and so on you would easily exceed the range of the BMW. I don’t get this video. It is kinda pointless. But the topic of electronic waste is quite important.

    1. CLIVE says:

      Glass half empty….

      You seriously missed the fun in it.

    2. Kdawg says:

      The point is, this guy built an EV for $13k in 35 days, with 125kWh, that goes further than the best EV on the market.
      Take it for what it’s worth.

      1. vvk says:

        I completely agree with randomhuman. The devil is in the details.

        1. LarsP says:

          The point is you throw away four perfect batteries when one is broken. That is the point!

  2. Arthur says:

    I like the story. Yes. When you recycle on a higher level, you can get more value.

    1. CLIVE says:

      Absolutely

      I think what he did is great on many levels

    2. AlphaEdge says:

      Unfortunately it’s a lot of work, in gathering those batteries, and trying to figure a use for them, which requires a high specific skill set in the person doing the gathering.

      What’s the battery management system? What’s the reliability over time? Recycled batteries in a custom project do not inspire confidence.

      It’s material recycling by the auto-companies that is important, and should be mandated.

  3. unlucky says:

    Seeing all these Tesla fans who clearly don’t know much about racing get into arguments about drag racing has produced some rather comical results.

    Never will a car with a fully usable interior be the quickest thing on the road because you can always make it faster by taking all the non go-fast bits off. It’s not even worth arguing about, it’s just a truism.

    1. MTavel says:

      Just to be clear though, he didn’t beat a P100D in acceleration or top speed. He beat it in range. By a bit.

      1. unlucky says:

        You’re right. But still related to racing, just not quickness. Racing is about efficiency. And this guy just applied the same principles as racing applies to the task and got the same kind of results.

        And it just doesn’t mean a thing to nearly anyone who actually wants to use their car day to day. Making a useful, salable car means sacrificing a lot of efficiency for comforts.

        1. CLIVE says:

          This wasn’t about practicality this was about fun and making a car out of junk that’s capable of going further than a Tesla P 100 D that was built in 35 days that’s **cking huge ‼️

      2. greg says:

        and what matters most to the typical family? range, not acceleration.

  4. ModernMarvelFan says:

    “They were buying it all up, and then they were selling each piece by piece to factories to build new products. It was brilliant. ”

    Yes, some of them end up getting funneled into new parts supply chain which has caused reliability issues.

    That is why we are dealing with Asian suppliers very carefully these days..

    When a capacitor or inductor is too cheap to believe, then sometimes they are either “fake” or “recycled” parts rather than new. This isn’t necessarily the problem with the people doing the recycling but rather the many layers of “resellers” who relabel some of the parts for a “better” profit.

    1. CLIVE says:

      Yes indeed.

  5. Abegude Wanabe says:

    Bravo!

  6. TomArt says:

    That’s awesome news – good for him! I hope it grows!

  7. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

    I certainly applaud his cause, and if he needed to pull off this stunt to get attention for the cause of recycling, then more power to him!

    I seem to recall that Tesla said it would start recycling its battery packs at the Gigafactory, but so far as I know that hasn’t started yet. I hope Tesla does follow through on that, as they have not with announced plans to make the Supercharger network fully powered by solar energy.

    But I hope everyone realizes that, as the article says, it’s just a stunt. It’s always been possible to stuff a car full of batteries to give it more range and at least potentially more power than any production car, even a Tesla car.

    Of course, that makes the car rather impractical as far as carrying passengers and luggage. We can congratulate Mr. Lundgren on his DIY engineering achievement, but let’s not mistake this conversion car for something that is actually “better” than a Tesla car for any practical purpose.

    1. ricegf says:

      I’m not sure it’s fair to fault Tesla for “not following through” on their promise to eventually make all Superchargers solar powered. They’ve invested heavily in building an affordable pv solar manufacturing capability to make that affordable, and demonstrated stations to show it will be practical once affordable. How impatient we are when we don’t get every miracle we demand simultaneously!

      1. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

        You are, of course, entitled to your opinion.

        But altho I’m a strong fan of Tesla, I don’t give them a pass on all their hype. And claiming they were gonna make the Superchargers solar powered was absolutely, unquestionably hype, to be polite. To be less so, it was B.S. from the start.

        There are other auto makers even worse regarding hype than Tesla. Volkswagen, for example. (And don’t even get me started on Faraday Future!) But just because others are worse doesn’t mean I give Tesla a pass. Tesla’s real achievements are remarkable enough; they don’t need to exaggerate them!

  8. Tim says:

    I can not believe that so many people are missing the plot here. Did any of you actually read the entire article?

    The car is nothing more than a stunt to bring attention to the massive issue of e-waste. He isn’t trying to beat Tesla or saying that his car is functionally better or a saleable product.

    1. On the other hand, I am sure there are a growing number of people who want both a New EV from Tesla, AND an EV Conversion of their Older or Classic ICE Vehicle, and shops that do such conversions, such that this person could supply such reusable cells, in some pre-built manageable module form, like 12 Volts, such that they could be used in lots of EV Conversion Projects, so that Old ICE Vehicles can live on, with a New Heart!

      I don’t see that as competition to Elon, Tesla, or Nissan, etc, but rather another way to both reduce toxic waste, energy waste, etc, and the scrapping of older ICE Vehicles, just for want of a new Drivetrain!

      Sure, he could also design small and smart UPS systems with these reused cells, for Home & Office Computers, TV’s, Fridges, Freezers, etc, of 1-4 kWh capacity, that can ‘Time Shift’ Grid loads, passing power from the grid to the load or device when power is cheap or in low demand, all the while charging, and supplying power to the load or device via inverter (or by direct DC Voltages) whe power is expensive or in high demand.

      If these recycled cells can be swapped in the UPS system easily and cheaply enough, this ‘Grid Time Shift’ of many small loads, can greatly help out to smooth demand issues on the grid! As there are still fewer old EV’s, or crashed EV’s, than there are Homes and Offices, this will still take a while, but it is still a viable idea fir such recycling programs!

      Consider, a 24 kWh Replacement Leaf pack was priced at $6,500.00, or $5,500.00 if you gave up your old pack, so it was effectively ‘Bought’ for $1,000.00 from you. Now the old pack might be only able to store 16-20 kWh, but if bad cells were removed, it might do better, but let’s just presume that you had paid $1,000.00 for 16 kWh of cells; you now have cells at $62.50 per kWh! If there was still 20 kWh woth of usable cells, that is now about $50.00 per kWh!

      It seems to me, that at those prices of $50-$63 per kWh, there are still a lot of uses that could be justifiable! Even Off Grid Batteries created from such cells could be cheaper than L-16 Trojan Deep Cycle Lead Acid Batteries, and easier to place and carry, as they could be lighter for the same energy!

  9. JR says:

    I just love this DIY, it is how everything starts!

  10. Sherril Stewart says:

    Building a solar power charging network out of cells from batteries that are thrown away is huge.

    1. Maybe this is the way to get to the idea, that on each Solar Panel, there is integrated energy storage, made with these recycled cells so that it is cheaper, and can store the amount of electricity the panel produces in 1 Hr, 2 Hrs, 4 Hrs, or even 6-8 Hrs!

      (As an example, a 250 Watt panel would store 250 Wh of energy, for a 1 Hour Storage Capacity, and the same panel would store 500 Wh for a 2 Hr Rating, or 1 kWh for a 4 Hr Rating. Remember that $50/kWh figure? This, plus $1 per Watt Solar Panel, makes a 250 Watt x 1 kWh Storage Panel, just $300.00! A 10 kWh Roof Mounted Solar Array with 250 Watt Panels, would use 40 Panels, and using 1 Hr Rated Panels would store 10 kWh, a 2 Hr Rated system, 20 kWh; so a simple 4 Hr Rated Panel, on a 10 kW Array, would store 40 kWh of Energy, right where it was Produced! $300 x 40 = $12,000 for 1-4 days of storage, plus a 10 kW Generator!)

      If such onboard storage could be easily slipped into place on Solar panels, and upgradeable after initial purchase, initial panels could be bought with just 1 Hours worth of Storage ($12.50 extra cost per 250 Watt Panel), but upgraded later to 2, 3, 4, or higher amounts of Storage duration, either by swaps, or modular additions, this idea could be a winner! Then, no matter where the panels were put, there would be a perfectly distributed energy storage system, and if combined with off-panel storage, like Powerwall or Powerpack units, then you have both distributed and redundant energy storage!

  11. darth says:

    I support the effort and all props if he can succeed at reusing battery cells. More power to him!

    But as for the car, saying it only cost $13,000 is disingenuous at best. He is not including all the free labor his friends gave for it. How many hours of labor did it take? A reasonable rate for skilled labor of this type would be around $80/hr. They could have spent 500 or more hours on it, or $40k.

    1. Mister G says:

      They worked for beer LOL

      1. I had a job like that once, or, I paid ‘A 2-4 for about 8 hours of Shop and Hoist time, once! Local Body Shop, needed the hoist to measure the space and volume of the old Gas Tank/Under Seat space!

        The Boss an Staff appreciated a nice cold beer at the end of the day!

  12. Jon says:

    Hats off to this gentleman.

    I think he has highlighted a problem that many have not considered in the lifecycle of an EV.

    We are nearing the stage when the first generation of EVs are nearing end of lifecycle. That will be a huge deposit of still very usable batteries.

    I imagine the most difficult thing is that every manufacturer has different cells, module configuration, etc.

    Commonality would go a long way to making mass reuse a reality.

    Maybe once Tesla is pumping out tons of batteries at a mass scale the industry could converge on a cell size and module form factor.

    1. Per “We are nearing the stage when the first generation of EVs are nearing end of lifecycle.” Might I suggest this adjusted statement: “We are nearing the stage when the first generation of EV (Batteries) are nearing end of (Standard) lifecycle calculations.”

      I don’t think the cars are on their last legs, even a 2010 or 2011 LEAF is good for another 6 years of use, with fresh batteries added! Even if it was done again after 6 more years, I think the car would still be doing fine!

      1. Jon says:

        Robert, I agree with that. Good point.

        No reason that most EVs could not last many decades of replacement packs were available.

  13. Bean says:

    Best story I’ve seen here. Nice to see stunts like these that may lead to something bigger.

  14. Warren says:

    And then there are recycled Tesla drivetrains.

    1. Warren says:

      This runs a recycled Renault/Nissan 24 kWh pack too. Imagine how many batteries you could pack in that truck bed?

      1. Not knowing much about this Yellow Truck project, I can still say it gives hope for my old ‘Electricfly’ project!

        I had planned a ‘Headway’ cell upgrade, from my Trojan SCS150 batteries (8x 12V Group 24, Flooded Lead Acid), but about 7.5 kWh cells cost is about $4,000 for 160 of the new 15 Ah cells (plus US/Canada exchange now at about 30%+), or about $5,000 plus Canadian!

        Even salaging just 8 kWh usable worth of cells from a Leaf Pack bought for $1,000, is about 4X-5X cheaper!

  15. David S. says:

    Great accomplishment! What’s his company’s name?

  16. Jose says:

    It is a good idea to put extra batteries to Toyota Prius cars. You can increase the miles per gallon by a wide margin and the electric range can be extended too. Installing a 10KW battery pack can make a Prius go up to 100 mpg and around 30 miles electric range. I assume that it could be done for less than $10k.

  17. Chris L says:

    It’s about showing what you can do with recycled materials.if there is so much potential in one person’s efforts, imagine what a multi billion dollar corporation could do; if they wanted to.

  18. Siddhartha Ghosh says:

    Its a great achievement!

  19. @ SEBASTIAN BLANCO:
    Thank you for sharing our story and the benefits of Hybrid Recycling. People like you help to make the world a better place. : )

  20. Farhoush says:

    this is well done job. we need more people like him to take care of our planet not thier own pocket. nice work

    1. Billy Schwab says:

      What?? Eric Lundgren is NOT going to Federal Prison! Haha I saw him yesterday!

      R2 Company is a scam. This is a competitor trying to take Eric Lundgren’s business. Eric Lundgren is not in prison, he is working on the first 1,000 Mile car now. This guy above is just – scam artist!

  21. R2 Company says:

    Ummmm…

    Looks like this guy was just sentenced to Federal Prison.

    1. Billy Schwab says:

      R2 Company: You are such a lier! Haha
      Your article said he is in prison now but he posted a video yesterday on YouTube where he drove The Phoenix (748 MILES) on a single charge!

  22. Eric Lundgren says:

    Hello All!

    Thank you for your support! Contrary to what some trolls have been saying – I am NOT in Federal Prison. I am currently working on the first 1,000 Mile EV Car and building the worlds largest repurposed solar power array! Subscribe to my YouTube channel below to see more fun World Record Breaking things we build out of Consumer Waste! Let’s inspire the world to not waste our waste! : )

    Thank you for your support! Feel free to email me @ ECAnetwork@Gmail.com if you would like to get involved! : )

    1. Steve Wilson says:

      Erick you put together a LG chem cell battery with a 1 watt light and a few other parts.I was curious to what the other parts you used.I’m not real tech savy but I would like to put a few in my neiborhood.There are a few around here that take advantage of no street lights These would make it hard to not be seen.

  23. Todd Fisher says:

    https://youtu.be/tweyTsIOpY8

    Here is their last video! : )

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