Elon Musk: In The Future There Will Be No Gas Stations – Video

FEB 20 2015 BY MIKE ANTHONY 86

"The biggest value that Tesla will have on the automotive industry is not the cars we make ourselves, but what we convince the industry can be done." -Elon Musk.

“The biggest value that Tesla will have on the automotive industry is not the cars we make ourselves, but what we convince the industry can be done.” -Elon Musk.

“Elon Musk’s vision: All Electric Cars, and No Gas Stations” is an exclusive clip from PUMP the Movie, available on iTunes…”

“Tesla Motors founder Elon Musk has a vision for what the future of transportation looks like: Everyone will be driving electric cars, and “there will be no gas stations,” just a nationwide network of electric charging stations. And although battery cost is shrinking, cars can go farther on a single charge, and EVs are becoming more affordable, it could take years to switch over the entire U.S. fleet to electric. Replacement fuels are the interim answer, because they can power many of the 250 million vehicles Americans already drive.”

In the recently available movie, “PUMP,” CEO of Tesla Motors, Elon Musk has something quite interesting to say in regards to gas stations in the future…there won’t be any.

It’s safe for us to assume that Musk wants gas stations to be obsolete as soon as humanly possible… it’s a given this will happen, according to Musk and we mostly agree.

Musk’s goal is to have every auto manufacturer jump on board the EV bandwagon, as soon as possible.

As forPUMP” (the movie), it focuses on why the world needs to break away from ICE and gas stations and move to cleaner vehicles that get juice from a plug.

You can find out more on PUMP by checking out the official website, or you can purchase the film on iTunes here.

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Sounds interesting, but the Movie is only sold to customers in the USA (I just tried). I guess they don’t want my money then.

Use a proxy server

That won’t help as a proxy server does not change the country where my credit card is from. At least on iTunes that’s the deciding factor.

If that’s the case, why don’t you just buy yourself an iTunes gift card and use that?

The coupon code would most likely have a country identifier on it. I’ve tried purchasing things overseas before and have had similar problems.

It’s also available on Amazon instant as well. You could try that if iTunes didn’t work. You could also buy the dvd from their website.

In which case, I won’t complain at all if people pirate it.

Largest problem is to find it among all the prn and music(videos) with “pump” in the title 😛

In contrast to this video that talks about decades to switch to Renewables and EVs.
Here is a interesting link by a Stanford professor who predicts the switch over to EVs will occur much earlier…by 2030; and, there will be a major decrease in the car population:

WARNING:

Predictions are typically Linear.
Change is Geometric.

Let’s ask Blockbuster, Nokia, Blackberry and Microsoft about rates of change.

MS seen linear change.

Mobile just missed MS turf 😛

Nokia is wrong example as their own CEO called their own devices obsolete… some 6 months before they had replacements….

BB and RIM. Dunno. Don’t know their story.

The times are changing fast ,really fast .solar, Wind, electric cars .maybe dream a bit more ,but a new monetary system would be great,heck i like to dream of real
freedom .i really hate the det money system.

Seeing as incomes are plumeting in the states, I really don’t see huge numbers of people being able to afford and electric car. And seeing that the Petro Dollar is dying, its a wil-e-coyote suspended in air time, only awaiting until Americans cannot export inflation any longer, and truly have to pay full price for their own goods. Not conducive to New Car Sales in the USA. Even currently when everyone has money, all bloggers on these posts would be classified as relatively ‘rich’. The majority of Americans cannot afford to spend $35,000 on a car. Maybe at one time, but the wind is blowing in the downhill direction. As far as battery cost halving and battery capacity doubling in the next ten years, GREAT! Except since my Roadster batteries were designed around 2005-2006 timeframe, How come I can’t buy a replacement battery pack today that will let me drive 488 miles with OEM tires, or 560 miles with LRR’s since it is ten years hence albeit the last ten years? So I think the future arrives in people’s minds before in fact. Oh, yes, agreed, there will be a new money system, but there’s no saying Americans will be… Read more »

I think you’ve been watching too many depressing documentaries.

The next ten years of EV development will be nothing like the previous ten years. Only know is *serious* money being spent on transitioning from ICE to EV, and it’s probably going to take 5 years for that money to feed through to consumers. The 5 years after that will see even more rapid changes.

For sure it’s going to be decades before gas stations are redundant simply due to the existing fleet and how long cars last, but it won’t be very long before a majority of new vehicles sold are plugins of some sort.

Perhaps, and, on the bright side, everything the US has done in the recent past has been a crashing failure. Unless the desired outcome is to grow DEBT, which, in a Fiat money system Debt must continually grow…

How long will it grow? Until it does not anymore.

And other countries will fare much better. China and other Asians, and Russians for that matter seem Ideally positioned. For a sneak peak as to what is awaiting the US, take a good look at typical life in Brazil in 2015.

Bill, you said ” I really don’t see huge numbers of people being able to afford and electric car.”

I think they won’t be able to afford NOT to buy an EV. In the future there will be a ton of used EVs. They will be just as cheap as a used ICE car but cost much less to operate/maintain.

Yeah everyone says how cheap electric cars are to maintain.. But my roadster (an exotic admittedly) needs $750 annual maintenance, and my Volt has its check engine light always come on just before state inspection time. I wonder how much its going to cost me this year to get it to go out. My own case may not be one to form a general opinion, but I never really speant that much on gas fired cars. Cars with horrible maintenance experiences like some fords, chryslers and all recent VW’s I’ve luckily avoided. My ’64 vw only required oil changes, and J.C. Whitney Mufflers and had its own version of Regenerative Breaking (called downshifting). My Roadster doesn’t even have that during much of the winter, – oh you can plug it in for 2 1/2 hours to heat the battery enough to get the ‘no regen’ light to go out, but then after going to the store, its back on again anyway and you are forced to use the brakes on the way home. With the VOlt maybe I’m just having some bad luck, but I dont understand the problem since the engine runs so little – most of the time… Read more »

Bill,
Thanks for being truthful about your experience. The fanboys here will swarm anyone expressing any kind of concern. We haven’t even seen the electric cars in their toddler ages yet. I’m worried about my car after it comes out of warranty.
For gas cars, we have a long history and we know what we are getting into. The average age of cars in US is 11 years. So, a car can run 22 years if kept well-oiled. For electric and PHEVs, it’s uncharted territories right now.

You’re more than welcome, though I probably should keep the depressing posts to a minimum, and to be honest, its kind of fun to experiment with things that are Novell, as Ev’s are.

Its just hair-pulling when things go wrong that ideally should not, that you end up saying “Only a Bone-Head would design something like this!”, but of course you only find out AFTER you’ve taken the plunge.

Bill… Sorry to hear about your strife, but I think your issues stem from your early adopter status. For instance, model S is leaps and bounds better than your Roadster. And cheaper (barely). Gen II Volt is in theory better than Gen I. It is very possible that Gen V Volt and Tesla’s 2025 offering will make today’s EVs look silly, just like an iphone makes a gen I iPod look ridiculous As for upgrading: I own a home built in 1909. It’s stunning. But I had to put a ton of money into it. But you know what? I’ll never have Air conditioning as good as a 2016home does because it has no duct work. Sure, I have a retrofit but it was $$$ and it just isn’t as good. Everything I have to buy is custom. Custom doors custom windows custom trim. No going to Home Depot for an off the rack door for me! Floors arent as straight either. But all that said, my house is solid. Not like that chintsy cheap they built throughout the bubble. So there are trade offs So I agree that it’ll take decades, but I wouldn’t necessarily extend 2011 EV troubles… Read more »

It was early plasma TVs that burned in images, not early LCD TVs. Ask me how I know. 🙁

FWIW, no problems with my Volt.

Not totally uncharted, my friends’ 1985 Bedford all electric van is still running like a top with original electric motor and gearbox. He drives it to work 5 days a week at least…

If your volt is under warranty, the issue causing the check engine light to come on should cost nothing. My volt is over two years old. The only money I’ve spent is having the oil changed once. Any other work was warranty.

HAHA! Yeah, I’ve taken full advantage of the VOLT warranty. It would have been thousands if I had to actually pay for it. BUt I have a 2011, and the powertrain warranty is still in effect, but the thing basically has to drop out on the pavement before GM will honor that one. I always seem to find a cheaper work around. Now on my Roadster, during the winter time I get people behind me horn blowing, but they still don’t ram the back of my Car!! I coast alot. And thankfully, on the bright side the big troubles have been repaired just before, at least on a legal basis, the warranty on that car ran out. That said, Electric Cars are alot of fun.. 2 things worry me about Model S (we’re not supposed to use articles like “THE” in front of Model, for some reason, hehe). 1). What is the ultimate disposition with that failure prone gearbox? To these eyes its main problem seems to be its too small for the job demanded of it. I’m not mentioning the problem with the Universal Mobile Connector cord plug since I’ll just not use it, I’ll use the j1772 adapter… Read more »

your experience is definitely not like mine; i have found the Volt to be a very low maintenance vehicle. the biggest problem that i have had (with the exception of the current recall over the rear lift gate) is that the battery coolant level had dropped, which resulted in my not being able to recharge the battery. but no matter, because the Volt continued to work fine in charge sustaining mode until i was able to get to a dealership to have a warranty repair done.

Maybe this will cheer you up. I opened a fortune cookie and the message read:
“There is no time like the pleasant.” Honest!

Your linkage to a 35,000$ purchase price and lower wage earners doesn’t really make any sense. True they cannot afford a new EV, but if your average annual income is 15,000$, you aren’t buying a new car anyway, be it EV or ICE. These people are in the used market. My prediction is that the resale of the first generation EVs will be poor, given the true cost of EVs after incentives and limited range in comparison to the second generation EVs. Heck I can pick up a new base-model Leaf for under 15,000$ with the state and federal credits in Colorado. This makes the value of a 2011 Leaf about 10,000$ as the leases expire. The reduced cost of operation would make a used Leaf or Volt ideal for a lower income household.

the bigger problem with BEVs is that you are talking about spending $35,000 on a *second* car; that is why household incomes for the purchasers of EVs tend to be so high. even when purchasing a BEV used, you would still need a backup car since many of those “low income” individuals to which you refer are not going to have access to level 2 EVSE, or for that matter, they many not even have regular access to facilities for level 1 charging.

while, on the surface, the Volt would be a much better candidate, the problem with the Gen1 Volt is the requirement for premium gasoline – you’d be better off buying a used Prius. that said, the used vehicle market is probably going to be a good one for the Volt, although, i don’t think that actual used Volt prices are getting as punished as you think they are. even still, for what you get, which is a pretty premium car, a used Volt is a good deal.

I don’t know why most people keep referring to their EV as their second car, since in the majority of cases, far more miles are put on it than on the other ICE car(s).

ok, then call the BEV a “first” car; the point is that it would be risky to make a BEV your “only” car.

With 200 mile range EV’s will be your first car, in just 2 years.

Things are improving rapidly, if you’re going to make predictions you can’t expect your predictions to be right if you can’t look ahead at least 2 years.

“while, on the surface, the Volt would be a much better candidate, the problem with the Gen1 Volt is the requirement for premium gasoline – you’d be better off buying a used Prius.”
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Why? Operating costs are cheaper and owner experience is much better w/the Volt.

if your circumstances require use of gasoline, then the Prius gets better mpg and you can use regular gasoline. for example, if drive a cab, you would always take a Prius over a Volt. if you have limited access to recharging facilities, then driving a Prius is probably more cost effective. if you have access to recharging facilities, as i recall from that data that i have seen, the Volt is more cost effective than the Prius if you drive under 80 miles/day.

Long before debt, climate change, peak oil, etc. get us, we will probably starve to death (looking to really look for the clouds without a silver lining???)

http://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/5-reasons-peak-food-is-the-worlds-no-1-ticking-time-bomb/ar-AA94JzQ?ocid=ASUDHP

well, a lot of things can, and probably will, happen before we would ever reach “peak food”, such as environmental catastrophe. but i often do think that there is a real possibility for a global malthusian event in this century.

i guess i’m sort of hoping that i’m gone before it occurs…

The “Malthusian event”, as you term it, is not only inevitable; it has already arrived in some areas. World population keeps growing, and most countries are not limiting how fast their natural resources are being consumed. It isn’t world-wide, but rather regional. Nor will there be any sudden global event, but rather a gradual onset in more and more areas. We’re already seeing signs of that in some third-world countries. The “Arab Spring” was preceded by food prices literally doubling in at least part Mideast; countries such as Egypt. The root cause of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict isn’t religion; that’s just a convenient excuse for choosing up sides. The real problem is competition for land; and the reason there is competition for land is overpopulation in the region. But this started several years back. What triggered the Rwandan conflict was overpopulation. In their culture, land (real estate) was divided among the sons. With continuing rise in population, land was divided into smaller and smaller plots, until many young men didn’t have enough to live independently, nor enough income to marry. As a result, there were a lot of unhappy unmarried young men… which is exactly the breeding ground for a war.… Read more »

But then why don’t we see this in China? I don’t know of a Chinese-Spring. Or what about NYC?

China?

Totalitarian state.

Sophistication of “arab” countries at dissent suppression pale when compared to China dragon.

Also China benefit from everybody and their grandma relocating factories there.

So China can keep people with hope, can vent some steam on unimportant things (animal rights protests are unhindered, human rights protests do not happen). And generally they where able to provide better and better life standard.

Just like Russia, before Sudi debacle.

i think that you fundamentally, and grossly, misunderstand the issues about which you write. the core of the conflict between tutsi and hutus in rwanda was of belgian doing: belgium set up a caste system in which the minority tutsis were of higher caste to hutus.

the majority of jews in palestine have their origins in europe: in other words, the establishment of israel was an act of colonialism. this resulted in ethnic cleansing of palestinians, which is the origin of the palestinian refugee problem. you don’t need overpopulation to cause people to resent colonial occupation; but it is true that the zionist regime has seized arable farmland from palestians for the construction of illegal jewish settlements (they’re called *jewish* settlements for a reason – it’s an apartheid scheme). the end game for the zionist regime is to get the U.S. to back israel in a “land swap” in which the zionist regime keeps the arable land that they stole from the palestinians and offers to “give”, in exchange, useless pockets of desert land that were within the 1948 borders of the zionist state.

i won’t comment on the egyptian protests.

That seemed to be the premise behind Interstellar. “NASA? Thought they shut you guys down when you refused to drop bombs on starving people?”

Personally I think all of the above end of the world and end of society things you guys got it all wrong. I think ether Wall-E or Idiocracy will happen or most likely will happen.

Me personally this what I think is going on in Europe and a lot of other places

I don’t like the movie Idiocracy, because it suggests a crude picture of social darwinism. And SD is just another tool for whealthy people to easy their minds about the poor (like they deserve it, they are born that way… ).

We all know that robots will rule the earth one day 🙂

“How come I can’t buy a replacement battery pack today that will let me drive 488 miles with OEM tires,”

Well the new Roadster 3.0 battery will give you around 400 miles with OEM tires. The new battery holds 31% more than the original. That’s not double but this is a big improvement even without the economies of scale and manufacturing improvements that the giga factory will bring for the next 10 years.

If we can get another 30% improvement and half the cost per kWh again in the next 10 years then EVs will certainly replace the ICE.

Did Tesla ever say what this new Roadster battery upgrade costs?

The fact that electric cars can be long range was never in doubt. The issue is how much that costs.

+1

but also how big that make given car!

Not quite.. Part of the 3.0 package is tires which heat less. Thats why I put different tires on my car at the first changeout. The OEMs wasted too much juice on self-heating. Besides its 340 miles not 400, if their Roadtest is to be believed.

As far as pricing for this “upgrade”, one assumes 4 new tires, and the labor charges, and unknown as to whether Tesla will require changeout of the Roadster’s TSL-01 twist lock charge port, with a Model S version. Of course then I would need a J1772 adapter for that, as well as a new 110 volt cord, which I use all the time to preheat the battery.

But I don’t believe any dollar figures were ever mentioned to date.

By the time this happens, authorities will also have figured out to not waste money on public level 2 chargers, so quick chargers will be appearing everywhere, effectively replacing gas stations. Tesla of course was the first to get this.

That’s quite a hurdle. I didn’t read the article initially since I didn’t see how it could possibly be true, and I still don’t. That would mean, for sake of argument, I could buy a Tesla Roadster for the same price as an equivalent Lotus Elise? Or buy a chevy cruise for the same price as a volt? We EV’ers are reluctant to admit ICE cars are usually pretty good values. I just don’t see, based on the last 10 years, when 10 years ago everyone told me everything is going to be so wonderful, and then what was the future but is now the present doesn’t nearly have the technology advances we were promised. So why should the next 10 years be any different? – The people who were saying we were going to have all these great things either ran into practical problems they didn’t expect (what else is new?), or they ran out of money – something which I expect to happen more often in the next 10 years than in the last. The other complication is that it is a moving target, ICE’s will probably get a little better in the next ten years just like… Read more »
Many of the 1990’s EV’s had 100 mile range. That was 20 years ago. So how come the typical EV today can’t even go as far? I’m not trying to be a downer, but RANGE is very important to me, as suggested by the cars I drive. The ROadster has the most range, (and if this upgrade is to be believed), will still have the furthest range of any EV to date. I also chose the VOLT since at the time, and with the new model, it will have the best AER of any PHEV, (at least since there aren’t any via’s around to speak of). So why do people tolerate dinky ranges. Especially people who love to drive Porsche’s and Bmw’s who tolerate 15 mile electric range. If they could do better 110 years ago, why do people buy inferior products now? Inferior products (like that Delco ev1 battery), were quickly scrapped and that over 100 mile battery was used instead. One would have been forgiven if in 1996 people thought things would have gotten so great by 2006. Its human nature. I’m still waiting for a model S that gets an “average of 300 miles”, as was initially… Read more »

Jay Leno’s 1905 Baker Electric gets over 100 miles with current batteries, but still did pretty well on the Edison things that he has and are still working ok.

1) Cars today are made by different standards then 20y ago. Esp. safty standards got tighter. So heavier cars need to be propelled. Range loss is expected then.
2) Li-on is good example of something that happened fairly recently in EV space. But then again. When You have longer range, You can as well sacrifice it for heavier but cheaper materials!

No apples to apples comparision here, unless You provide some more data.

One is certain though, batteries advance ssssllllllloooooowwwwwwwwlllllllllyyyyyy.

Yes that should be obvious, the only question is how long will it take?

I agree with the idea, but I actually disagree with making it a public talking point. There are way too many people with conspiracy nutter mindsets who will use this to point at “liberals” trying to “take away our gas pumps”.

I just don’t want to have to deal with the inane ranting that is the predictable outcome of pushing for a gas pump free future.

I like Elon’s talking point of simply saying that the Model S isn’t just a superior electric vehicle, it is a superior vehicle period. I much prefer simply beating ICE’s at their own games and letting the superior vehicle win. Then let the gas pumps die out of their own accord naturally.

While it states, ‘Availability Unknown’, I just went and put ‘Pump’ in my Netflix queue. A number of documentaries pop up as ‘Play’ (available for streaming) without me noticing. I put ‘The Overnighters’ in there last week and now I see that it is available for streaming. I haven’t watched it yet, but that documentary would probably be of interest to folks who would want to watch ‘Pump’. Netflix description:
Local pastor Jay Reinke tries to help the unemployed men drawn to North Dakota by the lure of jobs in the state’s booming shale oil industry. This documentary portrait of desperation, charity and hope reveals multiple facets of the human spirit.

I have had “pump” in my netflix queue for quite a while. It still reads “release date unknown”.

What I saw of the preview seemed more like an ICE fuels extender than a green turn incitative.

This seems a bit dated. Lets assume we are talking pure ev, since no gas stations. So 3-4 decades for full conversion seems realistic, while the female just asks how long it will take to replace 250 million vehicles, implying it will take much longer, I would assume, but she gives no date.
So at a set 100k replacement rate a year, 1 million every decade that would take 250 decades or 2500 years to replace all the gasoline cars. So clearly there would have to be a big ramp up, so say when a number of compelling mass market ev’s come out, you could start selling 3-4 million a year, in the U.S. alone, though that would still take decades to replace all the gasoline vehicles.

US buys about 13-15M new cars per year. So obviously there will need to be more than 100k EVs sold per year before EVs make up the majority of cars being sold, let alone the majority of cars on the road.

Obviously EVs won’t sell at 100k per year in perpetuity. If they did they’d just die out like Betamax

I dont think well ever see a world without gas stations. Instead I think well we far far fewer. The transition will probably be sporadic in leaps and bounds.

Kind of like audio. At one time we all had records. Then cassettes came along and record use dropped precipitously. Then CDs came along. And now MP3

In the height of records there were record stores everywhere. But today? Very few. They still exist. But hard to imagine I even in 1995 that major stores like Virgin Records would nearly cease to exist except in the specialty field.

Same with Blockbuster video.

Likewise in 50 years there will likely be a few gas stations here and there, but not many

It won’t take 2500 years. In that time we’ll all likely be dead or space faring. Primitive or Star Trek. Evolved or devolved.

Once gas stations start becoming few and far between, the EV needing to plug in problem will be reversed. When it becomes more convienient to charge your car that to fill it up, people will just stop buying ICEs, and gas stations will go out of business. By the way, I have an ICE, an EV and a home charger. It is already more inconvient to fill up my ICE. So one more reason I am very motivated to replace it with a next gen EV, likely the Model 3 over any other simply because of its Superchargers. Voila, my point exactly, two less cars keeping my local gas station in business.

Apple agrees with Elon Musk.

All who are familiar with new technology agrees with Elon. Although some may think that Elon’s public views might be little bit conservative.

Wait! Wait! This may work for the US, but we in Europe don’t have 24/7 shops. Gas Stations are the only playces you can buy a bottle of milk and baking soda on sunday at 4am!!1

Just kiddin’…, I would gladly trade that in… but it’s true.

There were convenience stores before gas stations started adding convenience stores to their locations. Seven-Eleven was an American chain that started long before the later trend. I can certainly remember when no 7-11 sold gas.

And when gas stations are mostly gone, there will be convenience stores without gas stations once again.

What will also happen at some point is that gas stations will go out of business before the need is completely gone. They simply will not be getting the volume of customers to support the station. This happens now as demand areas change. I wouldn’t dare to guess at what point that happens, but ultimately at some point it will be as difficult to find gas as it is now to locate a quick charger. Oh the irony..

The number of gas stations in the US been in decline for at least a decade, probably longer. (Sorry, I don’t have the numbers handy.) I expect this slow decline to get “interesting” and hit a classic knee in the curve perhaps 5 to 10 years from now.

But all those places we call “gas stations” will likely still be around, they just won’t be pumping gasoline and diesel fuel. Convert them into small restaurants, with quick chargers at some/most/all parking spots. Or make some of the larger ones gyms + QCs. Or who knows what kind of wild things some startup or even an oil company will think to do with all those parcels of commercial real estate rather than let them sit unused. But because of their location and the ingrained pattern of locals seeing them as refueling stops, it seems likely that some portion of them will include QCs in their next incarnation.

However this plays out, the future of transportation is going to be a lot of things, but “dull” isn’t on the list.

Number of gas stations may be on the decline, but not the number of gas pumps. What I’ve seen happening in my city over the last 10 years is a lot of small gas stations going out of business only to be replaced by 1 or 2 “mega stations” that have like 30 pumps.

For those that watch Conan.

this films seems to off the kind of “red meat” subject matter that makes EV enthusiasts drool, but makes EVs look to be the province of weirdos. i mean, “no gas stations in the future”??? i suppose gasoline is an exhaustible resource, so when it is exhausted there will, by definition, be no gas stations… but i do tend to agree that you are probably going to see gas stations for the next 3 or 4 decades, that sounds like a reasonable perspective to me. elon musk’s comments are pretty much self-serving, as you would expect; musk has committed to the BEV platform, so of course, he believes that is the way that it will go, while at the same time he is critical of potential competing platforms, most notably FCEV. the reason why people are looking to developing an FCEV platform is not because of crazy conspiracy theories, but because many question the idea that people will be willing to wait around for an hour at a “fast” charge station when they are used to 5 minute fill ups. there is clearly pressure to *significantly* reduce dependence on gasoline, but BEV is not ready for prime time, if “prime… Read more »

I agree that PHEVs are the only technology available today that can solve our oil addiction problem. If everyone in the USA was driving a PHEV, it would probably cut our oil consumption by 75% or more.

However, I have been wondering what effect battery prices will have on PHEV vs. BEV. Obviously, cheaper batteries will make both types of cars have more EV range and be more affordable. But overall, it seems to help the BEV case more than the PHEV.

The Fuel cell is already dead for these reasons:
1) The Volt does that job now cheaper and with current infrastructure, no 2 $million$ dollar cost to upgrade a gas station.

2) The 200 mile EV is very close as Tesla and GM have shown, and you will be charing your EV 99% of the time from your home. Even if you have a 100 roundtrip mile commute, you’ll charge at home. That’s 99% of all commutes.

We’ve just blown away the need for FCV’s with just two reasons. The trucking industry can stay diesel, and will probably go diesel Hybrid, like the Volt by using Electric motors for power, and a diesel to generate electricity on demand. That’s a far cheaper solution the FCV.

FCV will never win in the market.

you have to look at more than just best case EV range; you really need to consider: “worst” case EV range; number of miles driven/day; and number of miles recovered by recharging/day. the reason why you have to consider all of these factors is because if you intend to drive every day, before committing to a BEV as your only car, you had better get a good feeling that you aren’t going to find yourself without transportation when you need it. in your scenario of driving 100 miles/day, if you are only recovering 25 or 30 miles/day through home recharging, you are going to need a backup means of transportation by mid-week even if 200 miles is worst case EV range. you might say that the answer would be for the driver to go to a quick charge station, but that would mean that the driver would have to sit around for an hour waiting for the vehicle to recharge…that would be unacceptable to all but the EV enthusiast. the problem there is that for BEVs to be commercially viable, they customer base has to be larger than just EV enthusiasts. i would wager that most people would take an… Read more »

The people running around and saying EVs will never happen. they don’t justify the cost, it will happen but take a long time, etc., remind me of the early days of HDTV in year 2000.

Now try to buy a NON-hdtv.

Trucks will probably be the last ice vehicle domino to fall. According to Bob Lutz it should have been the first, but no matter. There will probably not be a compelling ev truck around for the next decade.
High end suv ev coming Tesla, and then not much for a few years, till the mass market stuff comes out. Not too much to get excited about in the pure ev space, atm.

Tesla founder Ian is already building plug-in hybrid truck engines. And with simple aerodynamic changes, the 18 wheelers can become super efficient. No need to dream up utopian solutions, like electric trucks. There are many practical solutions available today.

Disruptive tech revolutions always progress in the same way, starting with the “early adopter” phase, then the easiest broad market solution getting a toehold in the market. More difficult solutions come later. Using heavy EV freight trucks for long-distance hauling will almost certainly be one of the last hurdles for the EV revolution to overcome. For long-distance freight haulers, half their expense is fuel. If Bob Lutz said that should have been the first market for EVs to penetrate, I would guess that’s why. But currently, batteries are too big, too expensive, and take too long to recharge for practical use in long-distance heavy freight hauling. Battery swap stations along major freight trucking corridors might make them practical sooner, but that still won’t happen so long as battery packs cost so much, and would have to be replaced appreciably more often than a semi truck’s motor does. For a car, a battery pack that lasts 200,000 miles should be sufficient. For a long-haul freight truck, that’s not nearly enough. Now, for shorter routes and local deliveries, I think we will start seeing significant EV penetration within a few years. Clearly UPS and FedEX think it’s too soon to convert their… Read more »

Right, and to be fair Bob Lutz was talking about trucks like the F150, not over the road tractor/trailer, which are not called trucks in my area. We think of trucks as something to throw some bales o hay into, and drive out feed the cattle. Anyway I think you got the point I was trying to get across.

Answer for long-haul tractor/trailers=electrified railroads

That’s the same future we want!

In less then 10 years every person in my family (I have a big family) will be driving a plug-in of some kind. Some will be EVs and some electric hybrids.

NPNS! SBF!
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Hey! It’s also available on Amazon Instant Video. Why only mention iTunes?

It would be nice if I could tow my 5000 lb camper with an EV. EV’s will never be able to tow the weight an ICE can. not without serious battery loss. I don’t thing I could make it between charging stations

Just as you lose range with an ICE vehicle when towing you will lose range with a BEV vehicle towing.

We won’t really know how much until there are a number of BEV’s that can tow at high capacity.

But by the way, a 5000 lb camper? 3000 lb is more than enough for most people. Make it aerodynamic and a Tesla 85D would surely be able to go between superchargers with ease.

If you ask people what they want… they will ask for more fuel efficient cars.

rEVolution is ongoing, it will just take a bit more time that expected (2020 ?), but there aren’t many technologies that can allow you to get 100 miles of range overnight WITHOUT changing the local infrastructure…
Now, let’s wait for batteries with more energy, then once we will be around 600miles of range, the fight for the range will stop and we will enter the fight for the price: the milestone showing that EV’s are now standard consumer products.