Electric Porsche 911 Not Coming For At Least A Decade

3 weeks ago by Adrian Padeanu 33

Porsche 911 Carrera GTS

The next generation is being developed to accommodate a plug-in hybrid setup, but it might not be launched.

Porsche is currently hard at work preparing its first-ever fully electric car scheduled to be launched around the end of the decade. The company has embraced electrification for quite some time by giving Cayenne and the Panamera plug-in hybrid arrangements. In addition, the firm’s CEO Oliver Blume hinted in an interview with Autocar that more hybrids are on the agenda to capitalize on the increasing demand for this type of powertrain and also to leverage on Porsche’s Le Mans triumph three times in a row with plug-in hybrid race cars.

Porsche 911 Turbo

Spy shots have shown Porsche is readying a next-generation 911 and now we know straight from the company’s head honcho that a plug-in hybrid system is being engineered. However, Blume cautioned that high-ranked officials from Stuttgart haven’t actually green-lighted the partially electrified 911 just yet. Most likely, there are concerns about whether it would be worth the effort considering the extra batteries would add a lot of weight.

Blume went on to specify the 911 won’t forgo the combustion engine for at least another 10 years, adding it could take up to 15 years to see a zero-emissions version of the brand’s most important model. That doesn’t mean the engineers won’t be working on a 911 EV during this interval as the man in charge at Porsche also said: “When customers want it to be electric, we can be ready.”

It goes without saying the developments that are being made for the Mission E will be eventually put to good use into other models. The Macan will likely go fully electric a few years after the highly anticipated sedan as per an announcement made a few months ago by the same Oliver Blume.

Aside from engineering EVs, Porsche is also a member of a multi-brand alliance to build a pan-European high-power charging network called “Ionity.” The entire Volkswagen Group is involved in the ambitious project, along with the BMW Group, Daimler, and Ford. The plan is to have roughly 400 charging stations operational by 2020, with the first 20 to be opened to the public until the end of this year.

Source: Autocar

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33 responses to "Electric Porsche 911 Not Coming For At Least A Decade"

  1. Hauer says:

    Good for thke Roadster 2 and -maybe- Ferrari

    1. mx says:

      And actually, the BMW i3s – Sport – version, is a great replacement for city/suburban driving.

      So, no tears shed.

  2. Clive says:

    I am good with that.

    Bring the Electric Boxster & Cayman and life will be grand.

  3. Mikael says:

    Being launched around the end of NEXT decade. At the end of the decade would be within a couple of years.

      1. ffbj says:

        Though I think that reference is to the Mission E, which will be launched around the end of this decade, while the 911 comes into production, 10 years later, towards the end of the next decade.

  4. Get Real says:

    Another missed opportunity by the Germans.

    1. mx says:

      Yes, it is amazing.
      I wonder if the engineers feel the same way the CEO.
      Because, the engineers should clearly see the benefit if Instant Torque and the electric driving experience.

      It’s almost as if there’s some kind of corporate conspiracy to stop electric innovation. And who would fund that kind of conspiracy? Does the German Government have any law about corporate corruption?

      1. Link says:

        Let’s not pretend that their is no downside to electric cars, all that torque comes with the penalty of a massive weight increase due to the battery.

        In the forseeable future there just is no way to make an electric sports car that handles as well on the track as a fossil car.

        1. ffbj says:

          I don’t know that. I think the end of the ice is in foreseeable future. Just takes forethought and foresight.

        2. Get Real says:

          LMAO Link–you can’t solve a problem if you never try, can you?

        3. pjwood1 says:

          The Model 3 and 911 turbo weigh the same. Stop BS’ing. You sound like VW.

        4. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

          “Let’s not pretend that their is no downside to electric cars, all that torque comes with the penalty of a massive weight increase due to the battery.”

          The Motor Trend “First Drive” reviewer of the Tesla Model 3 disagrees with your opinion, rather strongly. And that’s only for Tesla’s lower-priced new model, not a “sports car”.

          http://www.motortrend.com/cars/tesla/model-3/2018/exclusive-tesla-model-3-first-drive-review/

          When Tesla comes out with the Roadster Mk II… all of Porsche’s cars are going to eat its dust! Every single one, including the highest priced models and trim levels.

          And not just Porsche, either. Not by a long shot!

          1. Terawatt says:

            You’ve officially gone overboard and lost the last vestige of that part of your brain that performs objective judgement (metaphorically speaking).

            The text you quoted is undeniably true. And nowhere in the Motor Trend article does the writer disagree – please do quote the part you imagine justifies such a claim. All they wrote was that the car didn’t feel like it was very heavy – not that it isn’t, and not that it has no impact on how fast it can go around corners. If you know a little basic physics, you should immediately admit that there is *zero* possibility of mass NOT having a negative impact on agility and cornering.

        5. eltosho says:

          Well, the Tesla Model 3 weights roughly the same as a BMW 335d. I would not call this a “massive weight increase” 🙂

          1. Terawatt says:

            Over a 911?!? What WOULD you call a massive mass (hehe) increase?!?

            The current GT3 is 1413 kg. What’s the Model 3 again… about 2200 kg??

            1. CmP says:

              Model 3 wheits 1.6t 2.2t is a Model S and this is equal to an Audi A8 / S-class or 7 series

            2. wavelet says:

              The current 911 are pigs anyway, One of the significant points of the original one and until 1990 or so was being lightweight (1000 to 1100kg).

      2. Some Guy says:

        Of course there are strict laws against corruption in Germany. In order to get all their wishes fulfilled in every legislation passed, the companies hire incompetent politicians for highly paid “no real work” jobs after their term is done. So everybody wins. With everybody being upper management from big corporate and politicians.
        Sometimes a law is changed when a few CEOs make a public statement that they don’t like the propoesed version of the law.
        The investigation report on the Dieselgate at Porsche (investigation was conducted by the German transport ministry) was given to Porsche for approval prior to publication. Of course Porsche changed it as they wished, edited, erased and rewrote entire sections of the report. All the Porsches they had to take back in the US for Dieselgate are shipped to Lithuania, get a EU registration there and are sold in Germany as slightly used (after few modifications to the lights to conform with EU standards). Nobody cares about the toxic fumes.

  5. suresh says:

    why do we give an F about ferrari and porsche? they produce minuscule number of cars and will add no value to the progression of electric cars whether they jump on electric bandwagon or suck on tail pipes until they die.

    1. terminaltrip421 says:

      I’d say the value is in proliferation of electrification both from the standpoint of awareness and cost.

      1. terminaltrip421 says:

        oh and every last mitigated co2 molecule counts.

    2. Terawatt says:

      You’re making the mistake of assuming people are somewhat rational! 🙂

      I do agree, what these brands do is irrelevant. Except that they loom large in the imagination of many people, certainly including the younger version of myself, and therefore have lots of influence over our ideas of how a car should be, or how the best car should be.

      It’s a little bit like Tesla’s strategy starting with the Roadster. They needed to change people’s perception of what an electric car was and show a golf cart isn’t it. (Of course, had they been able to make the Model S back then, it would have been even more effective at the job, but leave that to one side for now.)

      In other words, what Porsche and Ferrari does matters not because of volume, but because of how it affects the street cred of electric cars. When these boys go electric, dinosaurs like Jeremy Clarkson may start to think there’s got to be something about them after all…

      I don’t personally think it’s all that important. The time when going as fast as possible around a corner was what defines the best car is ending. Even now, buyers are demanding many other things from supercars, like refinement and comfort. The only reason performance is still so important is that buyers are mostly middle aged and above men who grew up at a time where speed was the only factor (even if nobody could use it). Young people today, the future hypercar customers, like powerful and quick car but don’t care an iota about Nürburgring lap times. And they do care about the environment, or at the very least about being seen as considerate people. It will become as socially unacceptable to drive an ICE vehicle as it is now to light up a cigarette in other people’s homes without asking permission, in front of their children… and against that, no lap time stands the smallest chance of attracting buyers.

      1. bjrosen says:

        Apropos of your Jeremy Clarkson comment, have you been watching Grand Tour this season? In episode 1 they race a Lamborghini against a Rimac, the Rimac made the bull on the Lamborghini’s hood look like an ox. I’m pretty sure that Jeremy Clarkson gets it already.

        As for the general public I don’t think supercars effect anyone’s perceptions about anything but supercars. When EVs start to be available in numbers the only perception that will have to be overcome is the issue of range, the actual problem will be solved pretty soon but there will be a lag of a few years before most people understand that it has been solved. Just as the performance issue has been put to bed by over killing it, i.e. nobody but nobody needs a car that’s quicker than 6 seconds 0-60 so the Tesla’s sub 3 second 0-60 is a sledge hammer to the idea that EVs are golf carts, the Roadster’s 600 mile range puts to rest the idea that range is an insurmountable problem. My guess is that as batteries get much better the range of EVs will exceed the necessary range of 400-450, and settle in around 500 just to take the issue off of the table.

        As for the 911, who cares? The Mission E will be the new Porsche, the 911 is a 60s car so it might as well continue on with 60s technology. Also the 911 has always been such a plain looking car, people bought it because of the way it performs not because of the way it looks so there is no reason for it to continue into the electric age. If you said that Jaguar was going to build an electric E-Type that looked just like the 60s E-Type, I’d get excited by that, but an electric 911? No not interested.

        1. arne-nl says:

          I’m more with Terawatt’s line of reasoning. People make decisions on emotions and rationalise them afterwards.

          If there is a fully electric 911 (Ferrari, Aston Martin, etc) that would mean a seal of approval in the minds of many car buyers that electric can be ‘cool’ and ‘desirable’:

          “It is ok for your next car to be electric, Lamborghini has a fully electric car too”.

          “You won’t advertise yourself as a progressive eco-hippie by driving electric.”

          Yes, what the supercar manufacturers are doing is very relevant.

        2. Eric says:

          911 is plain looking? Hah. I bought my 911s for looks. Porsche co is not dumb, if you’ve driven a 911 hard you know the sound of the motor, revs, timing, shifting, weight balance between front and rear is all essential to the 911 thrill and experience. That all goes away with electric. Speed and torque are obviously there with electric but everything else is different. I’m pro-electric for mainstream but sporting cars should continue to run whatever sporting people want.

    3. Cecil T says:

      Performance and racing drive technology. If Ferrari, Porsche and the like get into EV’s, and better yet start competing on a race track, the technology will advance more rapidly than if Nissan just hums along with a Leaf update every 8 years.

  6. vonk says:

    O boy, those germans are way behind…

  7. Dan says:

    The end of the ICE engine has been supposedly coming soon for a long time and for various reasons.

    In the real world the ICE keeps getting cleaner, more thermally effecient, more reliable, more durable and lower maintanance.

    The Hybrid, PHEV and EV share will grow over time, certainly, but it will be nowhere near as quick as the zealots on this site think (especially once the tax credits and other rebates are gone)

    The big idea is to reduce CO2 emissions (which will probably not happen soon enough or substantially enough to avert huge and harmful changes but should nevertheless be pushed).

    EV cars will reduce emissions somewhat (how much depending on the source of the electricity) but at a high price per unit of CO2 avoided especially when you consider the cost to the taxpaying public of the credits and rebates currently offered.

    The best solution is a refunded carbon tax that gives everybody an incentive to reduce emissions both through the products and services they use (or avoid) and the way they use them and their overall way of living. Politically very unlikely but we can hope.

    1. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

      Dan said:

      “In the real world the ICE keeps getting cleaner, more thermally effecient, more reliable, more durable and lower maintanance.”

      Yeah, you might say it’s the “golden age” of gasmobiles. But golden ages always come at the end of an era, rather than the beginning or middle.

      Another way of looking at the situation: It’s always been possible for gasmobile makers to make cars with engines which run cleaner, more thermally efficient, more reliable, more durable and with lower maintenance… with the trade-off of making them more expensive.

      But there has never before been any real reason for gasmobile makers to build them this way, because they never had any real competition. Now that plug-in EVs are actually offering competition to gasmobiles, the legacy auto makers are being forced to improve their cars, to put off losing market share to PEVs as long as possible.

      Kinda reminds me of clipper ships at the end of the era of sailing ships. A golden age indeed… but one faded away rapidly!

      Up the EV revolution!

  8. pjwood1 says:

    Dan, You sound like an industry that holds the consumer captive, and makes sport of delivering its pollution for free. That’s where stagnation has been on ICE.

    The military spends a tenth of the ~half trillion defense budget, keeping the straight of Hormuz clear. EV credits cost tax-payers maybe 4, relative to that 50 or so billion. You want to talk about “avoided cost”?

    CO2/mile, on natural gas electricity isn’t “somewhat” lower than gas. It’s a third, in most comparisons. Coal is dying everywhere, and at worst marginally worse than gas. They just have to give the customer closer to what they’re paying for, rather than something built to end up back at the dealership.

    I’d like to see a carbon tax, too. Are you lobbying actual politicians for it?

    The best solution is recognizing that, whether electric sector or transportation sector CO2, the only way to get rid of it is sponsoring technologies that substitute it. A pile of refunded carbon revenues, and Humvees, wouldn’t be okay with you. Now, would it?

  9. Steven says:

    Is it really going to take that long to engineer a BEV with a propensity for spinning out on a turn?

  10. Nix says:

    VW/Audi/Porsche has plenty of platforms to electrify that are much more important than the 911 to the progress of EV’s. Frankly, I hope they work on other vehicles first.

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