Edison Electron One Electric Supercar Expected To Debut In Q1 2016

SEP 18 2015 BY MARK KANE 46

Sunvault Energy

Sunvault Energy

Sunvault Energy and Edison Power Company announced a joint project to create a revolutionary electric supercar – Edison Electron One to showcase the “Graphene Energy Storage System“.

According to the press release, Edison Electron One will be equipped with new energy storage:

  • powered by a Graphene Energy Storage device created by the companies
  • integrated hydrogen fuel cell to provide an extra level of confidence to offset any potential range anxiety
  • water electrolyzer to produce hydrogen

Dr. Robert Murray-Smith, Director of Sunvault Energy said:

“The fuel cell will be powered by an on demand Hydrogen generation unit built into the car and will only require water.”

Gary Monaghan, CEO of Sunvault Energy adds:

“With our Energy Storage Device, reliability and peace of mind are wrapped in one design.”

In other words, there will be some new battery pack with cells using graphene and a hydrogen fuel cell range extender with electrolyzer.

Edison Electron One demonstrator (available to customers on a special order basis only) will be built by the newly incorporated Edison Motor Cars in collaborating with MK Technologies.

Edison Electron One is expected to be ready by the first quarter of 2016, but the Graphene Energy Storage Device should be presented earlier, at the upcoming The Battery Show this September 15-17 at Novi, Detroit.

Because graphene enables high power output, preliminary specs include shocking number like 0-60 mph (nearly 97 km/h) in 2.0-2.2 seconds thanks to 1,000 ft lbs / 1,355 Nm of torque.

Recharge could take just 5 minutes.We suspect that the battery pack is rather small size, and this is why the companies intend to use a range extender.

On the whole, we have to say the project seems fairly “unobtainable” (both in specs and timeline), but you never know.

“The car’s speed and economy will come from a uniquely designed power system of a electric drive unit for each wheel, this will give the Edison Electron One unequalled traction control of close to 1000 foot pounds of torque (1355 Newton meters), which is almost double the 560 foot pounds of a Ferrari 488 GTB, and a third more than that of the Tesla P85D which is rated at 713 foot pounds and slightly more than the Porsche 918 Spyder hybrid which is at 980 foot pounds (1328 Newton meter). The car is expected to be ready by the first quarter of 2016 and is expected to do zero to sixty in 2.0 to 2.2 seconds and be rechargeable in 5 minutes, subject to power availability at charging stations. The Company believes a whole industry will be created specifically for the charging of electric vehicles and that its storage system can facilitate this new industry. As far as distance, the “Edison Electron One” will perform to the same level of other competitive electric cars with the exception of being able to get much more of a charge in 5 minutes. The most important safety feature is that there will be no risk of fire or explosion associated to Lithium Ion batteries.

Edison Motor Cars will be making these Electric Supercar automobiles available to customers on a special order basis only. The Company will be gathering pre-order information to prioritize shipments to those interested auto enthusiasts. Pre-order information should include contact names, addresses, emails etc can be mailed to Edison Motor Cars c/o – Sunvault Energy Inc. – Suite 200 – 10703 – 181 Street N.W. Edmonton, Alta T5S 1N3 or emailed to monaghan@sunvaultenergy.com.”

Sunvault Energy Chief Executive Officer Gary Monaghan said:

“We are excited to be producing this truly revolutionary automobile that will put our Graphene Energy Storage Device front and centre on the world stage at the simple turn of a key. The Electron One will not only be able to challenge any vehicle in performance, but will also be fully flexible, functional and convenient just as a fuel filled vehicle is today.”

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Forget it, it’s a complete scam! The claims don’t even make sense: a hydrogen generator on board – presumably run by electricity – used to split water to produce hydrogen which in turn will be used in a fuel cell to produce electricity to run the car!

There is an enlightening link on the Tesla forums about this company, check out the link in the first post here: http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/showthread.php/52844-Edison-Electron-One

There are proven ways to generate hydrogen on demand using water and a metal. For example, sodium exposed to H2O combines with the oxygen and releases the hydrogen, so vigorously that without some kind of control mechanism the hydrogen explodes. When iron rusts it releases hydrogen using the same mechanism, albeit more slowly. Ten or fifteen years ago, GM built a demo truck with a hydrogen fuel cell and Sodium Borohydride in a water solution. When a Ruthenium catalyst was inserted into solution, hydrogen was released (on demand). When the metal and water are used up, the metal-oxide sludge is drained off and new metal and water added i.e. recharge! The metal can be recycled indefinitely.

So then the materials in the cell are consumable, which really don’t make any ****ing sense. Its like those aluminum-water batteries where the aluminum sheets have to be replaced every 1,000 miles.

Good for a range extender.

Exactly! http://www.phinergy.com is working with ALCOA to commercialize an aluminum-air range extender that increases the range of a Nissan Leaf (or other BEV) by 1,000 miles on 50 x 1kg (2.2 lb.) aluminum plates. The water needs topping up periodically and the aluminum oxide sludge is sent back to ALCOA’s smelters that use cheap hydroelectricity to convert it back to aluminum. Metallic Aluminum contains more energy per pound (or kg) than gasoline!!!

My car runs on nothing but water – Yeah Right

The fuel cell will only be used to recharge the Graphene super capacitor to full charge, I believe in about 5 minutes, while driving.

This graphene super capacitor as been updated to be 100% green I believe.

It is very safe with no heat issues.

It may out last several vehicles and is very light.

You can see research on this capacitor by watching videos by Robert Murray Smith on YouTube but remember it has been scaled up since the last video.

The Graphene Capacitors are something else again. When I was in USAF Tech School at Keesler AFB they told us that a one Farad capacitor would be the size of a small house. A couple of years ago you could get a 3,500 Farad Capacitor about the size of a marine battery. I think that they were what Don Garlits had in his electric dragster which did 187MPH in the quarter mile.

If I’m not mistaking this car that’s coming will rule the road and do it quickly. The only other better possibility would be a small LENR Device keeping the batteries charged. Maybe sooner rather than later, with thermo-electric, maybe micro-turbines, and LENR technologies on the rise. I don’t know how necessary it will be to have them all doing 0-60 in a few seconds. Great fun for sure, but sometimes lethal.

@pmaher_art

I’ll give them credit for such bold thinking. Whether they can deliver is another matter.

I don’t agree that the FC + electrolyzer will work any better than charging batteries alone. However, the ability to refuel would be a potential advantage. Whether that would work in practice is another matter as I think the will to build new hydrogen infrastructure won’t be there.

Finally, no danger from the LIB catching fire. Not mention about the dangers of driving around with compressed hydrogen.

Was anyone at the Battery Show in Novi, MI and did they see this graphene energy storage device?

It’s amazing how little it takes to find investors these days.

I could write better.

After all, my graphene matrix would be a near perfect electrode for high density electrical storage, and the grid structure would also serve to capture hydrogen for an unprecedented level of safe storage of fuel for the fuel cell stack. I should be able to get a few million from investors for research, right?

Water will be converted to hydrogen on demand by electrolysis with a HHO cell that will provide fuel for the fuel cell to recharge the super capacitor. I think

Also there was a car that drove across the US by water using a advanced HHO system and the inventor, Stanely Meyers, was murdered to suppress the technology.

I believe in the technology, but not much time unless Sunvault and Edison had a head start.

Nah.

It do not make any sense. Especialy with small battery.

Water into Hydrogen consume more energy then produce!

Hence getting that energy need to be done by other means then hydrogen splitting.

In fuell cell car that energy can only come from battery pack.

It need to be big battery pack, and even if it would be all spent on hydrogen production resulting energy would be LESS then capacity of energy pack.

Alternative would be to pump hydrogen and electricity at the station.

But then again, it would require more energy then for equivalent battery pack.

“Range extender” would thus ALWAYS lower range compared to range from just battery pack.

I know what this car runs off of: vapor. It’s pure vaporware and some investor is seriously getting duped.

So. This company has come up with some excellent graphene batteries. How much would YOU pay to be the first to benefit from this awesome breakthrough? But wait! They also have developed a fool cell with onboard electrolyzation! NOW how much would you pay?
But wait! There’s more! They have also designed a SUPERCARRRRRRRRRR! That’s right, a Supercar! Incorporating All Three of these technologies that seem to have appeared out of thin air!
NOW how much would you pay???
Hmmmmm???

But as long as you have this amazing graphene battery splitting water in the tank to produce hydrogen, you can use that hydrogen to charge the battery and the car will run forever! Right?

I agree this is a scam that ties the classic dream of a car that runs on water to the classic dream of a car that uses a magical 5-minute-to-charge battery all in a way that makes no physical sense.

“The fuel cell will be powered by an on demand Hydrogen generation unit built into the car and will only require water.”

So then, this is just another perpetual motion scam.

An on-demand hydrogen generator would require far more energy to power than it would provide in hydrogen fuel. If they’re claiming this would actually be practical, then it’s a perpetual motion claim.

The only way this makes sense is if you have to plug in the electrolyzer to run it. And, considering the dearth of hydrogen filling stations around, that is an interesting idea.

Of course, this is still a scam.

The article claims this car performs “on demand Hydrogen generation”. That would not be powered by plugging it in. “On demand” means it’s generated as needed while the car is driving down the road. As has been said, the only way to do that, in the vehicle as described, is to use electricity to generate hydrogen, which of course is then oxidized to produce a lot less electricity than it took to generate the hydrogen. There is no rational reason to do that; it would require expensive equipment which would do nothing but waste energy.

It’s a scam, period.

Of course.

Not to worry all you doubters.

I found a detailed technical explanation of the new power device:

That was great! Not only did he ad lib the entire monologue, but he kept a straight face.

Is this the guy Toyota hired?

OK, yeah… That was absolutely AWESOME!

well done, Kosh, thanks!

Well, at least we will not have to wait long for the eventual denouncement.

As others have basically said here: You can’t violate the Law of Conservation of Energy, ‘tards.

I am more astounded at the level of spiteful skepticism than I am SunVault/Edison sees the need for a fuel cell in a vehicle with what they say is an adequate electrical energy storage device. While I do not agree they need hey hydrogen fuel-cell to provide electricity when they already have adequate storage, I do not see the need to be so mean about the comments. Intelligence would tell you to give argument and out based on facts. Beyond that, it is immature at best to give spiteful commentary. That said, I do think it is overly ambitious, but I do think they can do it. The reason I think they can do it is they have Robert Murray Smith working on it. Also, I think the business savvy of the rest of the team will pair down some of the claims and the original press release and temper them to something more realistic. I think it will be only a matter of time before they revise or enhance their explanation of what to expect to produce.

Am I to understand that the car makes substantially all its hydrogen while being plugged in, and then stores it in a tank for later use?

If so, then very cheap electricity is needed to make this car viable, or else just well healed customers who can afford a 0-60 mph car in 2 seconds.

So: ” Intelligence would tell you to give argument and out based on facts. Beyond that, it is immature at best to give spiteful commentary”.

Intelligence might also tell you to look up Sunvault Energy (¢60 stock) and the commentary on its many and varied and short-lived energy related “breakthroughs” on the internet.

You might just conclude that it is a strange scam . Others have.

What puzzles me though is how Bill Richardson (Former gov. of New Mexico) got himself caught up in it as a director.

As for what purports to be the hottest and latest “Tesla killing” super e-car (due out in 180 days or so): It’s not even a scam. It’s just a joke. Until they start collecting down payments, that is!

Scams like this don’t pretend to sell the actual product, so they won’t be collecting money for the car. Scams like this avoid criminal charges for fraud by claiming to be doing R&D on a “new energy” device, and collect money from those who want to “invest” in the company. It’s hard to prove fraud when you’re in the R&D stage; the scammer can always claim “We spent all that money on R&D, but it just didn’t work out like we thought it would.”

Scam companies like Blacklight Power have been able to get away with this for, literally, decades, and in that particular case, over $60 million scammed from victims investors.

Check out the link that Michael Will provided and read about the company and you will realize that there is no chance in hell this company is showing off a supercar (or anything else for that matter) in 6 months.

It’s called conservation of energy – this car, as described, violates the fundamental laws of physics – it takes more electricity to split water to get X amount of hydrogen than the electricity that a fuel cell can produce from the X amount of hydrogen.

It’s the same as putting a wind turbine or generator on an electric car and expecting the car to charge itself while driving.

On board electrolysis does make sense assuming very cheap solar power, as we will have in a few years; once power gets cheap enough, it is cheaper to make your own hydrogen than to buy a battery.

No it’s not. Using hydrogen as energy storage is incredibly inefficient. Also, the sun doesn’t output enough energy to power a car to begin with.

There is currently no known means by which you can generate enough electricity from the surface area of a car, from sunlight, to make this vehicle feasible. There is not a lot of energy to begin with, and commercial PV solar products aren’t even 40% efficient yet (outside of a laboratory).

Even if you could magically harvest 100% of the energy from sunlight, it still wouldn’t be sufficient. Sunlight simply doesn’t provide that much energy per square foot, so that’s a physical limit that no amount of clever invention is going to overcome. To power a car on nothing but sunlight, you’d need far more surface area of solar cells than the surface of the car. And that can’t be scaled up, because the larger the vehicle, the more energy it needs to push it down the road at highway speed. There was an experimental vehicle called “SolarTaxi” which pulled a sizable trailer behind it; the car and the trailer were both covered with solar cells on the upper surface. Yet despite the large additional area provided by the trailer, the car still had to get 50% of its energy by slow charging at night, even on a rather leisurely world tour. Now, there are experimental vehicles called “solar cars”, which are basically three-wheeled bicycles wrapped in a light plastic fairing which is covered with solar cells. Not what the average person means when he says “car”. Those do actually run on nothing but sunlight. But even those only get up… Read more »

I’m assuming the electrolyzer is the plug-in type (otherwise it would be a perpetual motion scam). They would also need a compressor.

I’m still highly skeptical though, as it seems like huge waste of energy (and putting the electrolyzer/compressor onboard will mean significant weight/volume that usually is at a station).

What a load of BS.

Not sure what sort of hypothetical car this is, because those accelleration numbers are good for a top fuel dragster.

There’s somewhat of a issue with tires, grip and that sort of mundane things.

I guess InsideEVs is putting this on their website to test us. To see if we are worthy readers. When I read the comments above, I can happily conclude we have passed the test.

😀

Yeah, it’s an intelligence test. Most of us passed.

In other news: The sky is falling!

God.

2… 3… 4…

Damn.

Well, it is called the Edison.

Robert Murrey shows some impressive numbers on his latest videos (4x Lithium capacity):