Dyson Sues Ex-CEO For Leaking Electric Car Secrets

4 weeks ago by Mark Kane 34

Tesla Model 3

Tesla Model 3

British company Dyson, known mostly for vacuum cleaners, has shown recent interest in electric cars, but it seems there’s someone else who knew about and leaked these ideas a bit earlier on.

Tesla

Sir James Dyson, Founder of Dyson

Now, Dyson is suing over this.

We don’t know much about the Dyson EV project, but the secret endeavor apparently wasn’t secret to Tesla who learned of it some two years ago.

Others may know more than they’re supposed to too.

Dyson is suing ex-CEO Max Conze for allegedly revealing information about EVs.

“Conze is being sued by the U.K. company over alleged contract breaches when he left the vacuum cleaner maker in October. Conze allegedly shared information regarding the electric car among other ongoing projects, according to the person, who asked not to be identified because the allegations haven’t been detailed in the court filings. A Dyson spokesman confirmed the lawsuit.”

In his defense, Conze stated:

“This ridiculous allegation is merely trying to distract attention from the claims that Dyson knows I am about to issue.”

Details are sparse, but we can assume some intel exchanged was either hurtful to Dyson’s plans or helpful for Tesla or any others who may have obtained this inside info.

Why is this a big deal now? Well, mainly due to Dyson’s major interest in EVs, which just came to light recently when the company committed some £2 billion into it electric car project, which comes well after acquisition of solid-state battery startup Sakti3 in 2015.

source: Automotive News

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34 responses to "Dyson Sues Ex-CEO For Leaking Electric Car Secrets"

  1. bro1999 says:

    Well, this situation certainly blows.

    1. Steve says:

      kinda sucks…

      1. Nelson says:

        We’ll have to wait ’til the dust settles.

        NPNS! SBF!
        Volt#671 + BoltEV

        1. Paul de Wit says:

          These are turbulent times.

          1. Kdawg says:

            I don’t like all this trash talk.

        2. MikeM says:

          Pssssst!

          I forgot what “SBF” stands for. Please enlighten.

          1. Nelson says:

            SBF = Stop Burning Fuel

            Although my 2011 Volt does burn about 20 gallons of fuel a year, it’s driven mostly on electricity from the solar panels on my roof.

            NPNS! SBF!
            Volt#671 + BoltEV

            1. windbourne says:

              Really?
              So, you charge in the daytime and drive at nighttime?
              Because if that is NOT the case, then no, your solar panel is NOT charging your bolt and you are simply using a different fossil fuel as well as oil.

              1. Get Real says:

                You forgot about windpower, windbourne?

                1. stan1 says:

                  Also batteries, pumped storage, hydro power, biomass, etc.

                  But Windbourne does bring up a good point. We do need to clean up the grid too and the dispatchable load available with plug-in vehicles makes it much easier to support variable production. Since solar and wind are already the cheapest energy producers in most regions the change will save us money.

              2. SJC says:

                The solar panel offset fossil fuels during mid day “prime time”. Charging at night makes sense. Electricity is fungible so YES he is charging with solar.

              3. Jason says:

                If my solar generation goes into the grid, and I’m charging my car during that generation, then in effect my solar might as well be charging my car. Think of the grid as a really long extension cord.

            2. Will Davis says:

              you know, given how 99% of people on this site don’t know what NPNS SBF means, you may as well change your signature to read ‘No Plug, No sale! Stop Burning Fuel!’

              Being cryptic for the sake of it means people just see an acronym that means gibberish to them and they ignore it and move on. It’s like if I made my signature something only I understood, like TAVG! PBO! To you it means nothing, and if my goal is to promote EVs, confusing people is not the way to go!

              1. Will Davis says:

                PS: I said Tesla Are Very Good! Please Buy One!

        3. goodbyegascar says:

          These charges are sweeping.

  2. Disappointed says:

    I say the man with the Biggest balls wins !

  3. Chris O says:

    Wonder what the fuss is, Dyson has nothing to worry about. A least.. if that fabled solid state tech Sakti3 sold it for a suspiciously low amount really pans out…If not, I can’t see where is would find the edge to make it in the increasingly competitive EV market.

    1. L'amata says:

      Sakti3 Batteries are “Un-Proven” & still in the in their infancy Lab stage ..This Guy is a Sh!t Disturber by nature ..They Don’t have any Special EV Knowledge that Tesla Doesn’t already have. Looks to be A CASE OF SOUR GRAPES .. Tesla has opened their patents to share for FREE with any & All that wish to use them. 0r Is Tesla Now Going In the Vacuum Business …lmao..

      1. john doe says:

        I heard it was related to information regarding when they were (thinking they were) able to release their model with a solid state battery.
        Given their investment, their employees are more prone to headhunters who can brain drain their SS battery knowledge.
        It would also be less of a surprice for the compatition when they do release an EV – and it use SS batteries.
        If you’ve studied Dyson, you’ll see they have a lot of knowledge when it comes to electric motor production/technology and control.

        I think there are many cases in technology business today where one company hire a lot of people from the competitor.
        Ethics are behind profit, that’s for sure.

        If this change anything when it comes to their planned EV launch.. I don’t know.
        It is expensive to start in the car industry. Seems like Dyson is interested in being a part of this.

        .. an EV with a buildt in vacuum cleaner, to keep the car spotless inside 🙂
        Oh yeah.. and a new fanless AC..

        1. L'amata says:

          Studied Dyson ? is that a Joke? lmao …John Goodenough who invented the Lithium ion Battery Has gone to Tesla with a Working Jelly Roll model of the “Solid State Glass Battery” that has 5 times the power of lithium among other Battery makers. Goodenough’s Glass Battery “WILL NOT” catch fire even when Punctured with a steel Spike and Charges Up in minutes instead of hours. This guy has nothing on Musk or anybody in the EV car business , for that matter.

          1. stan1 says:

            Tesla isn’t likely to be the only firm building plug-in vehicles. Having the next best battery sooner can be enough to make Dyson’s a competitor in this field. You are way too dismissive.

            1. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

              Uh, no. A better battery will not suddenly make Dyson a competitor in the field of making and selling compelling mass produced EVs.

              Cars are not simply bigger vacuum cleaners, and if Dyson plans to make a car themselves, rather than merely hiring (for example) Magna Steyr to build it for them, then they are looking at several years of being an auto making startup before they can actually start making and selling their first EV.

      2. stan1 says:

        “Sakti3 Batteries are “Un-Proven” & still in the in their infancy Lab stage .”

        It is extremely unlikely you know this. The batteries were in the infancy lab stage several years ago. They could well be close to production.

        1. L'amata says:

          But They are Not in Production yet. However they do look promising.I for one hope they pan out.

  4. Bar says:

    I suppose Dyson would have rather had an information vacuum.

  5. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

    What a load of B.S. If the company really wanted to put a gag order on the ex-CEO, then they would do so quietly with a court order. They wouldn’t advertise the fact by publicly issuing a lawsuit!

    Reality check: Sometimes companies use lawsuits as a form of PR (Public Relations). My guess is that this is what’s going on here. If so, then Dyson isn’t at all trying to suppress details of their supposed EV project; they’re trying to hype it.

    It’s likely just vaporware anyway. Dyson is a light industry manufacturer. Just like Tesla, if Dyson actually wants to make EVs, then it will have to either build an auto assembly plant or else buy an abandoned one and refurbish it.

    I also don’t buy the hype that Dyson has some sort of superior electric motor tech that will let them build EV powertrains better than anyone else. Electric motors are pretty much peas in a pod, these days. If Dyson wants to build a better EV powertrain, then it will need a better battery pack and a better inverter. Let them demonstrate those technologies, and then I’ll be impressed.

    Otherwise, so far as I’m concerned, Dyson’s electric motor tech sucks. 😉

    1. stan1 says:

      “I also don’t buy the hype that Dyson has some sort of superior electric motor tech that will let them build EV powertrains better than anyone else. Electric motors are pretty much peas in a pod, these days. If Dyson wants to build a better EV powertrain, then it will need a better battery pack and a better inverter. Let them demonstrate those technologies, and then I’ll be impressed.

      Otherwise, so far as I’m concerned, Dyson’s electric motor tech sucks. 😉”

      You are way too submissive. Dyson’s likely does have significant IP of value in this field.

      1. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

        Repeating the same claim, while offering no concrete evidence whatsoever, does not constitute a convincing argument.

        Claims of breakthru tech from a battery startup have been seen hundreds of times over the past few years, and very nearly none of them have lead anywhere. That include a claim from Toyota.

        If you want us to think there is a realistic chance that Dyson has the “holy grail” of battery tech, then offer some concrete evidence. Rumors and claims not supported by any demonstration of a prototype are worthless in this field.

      2. L'amata says:

        Dyson has nothing ! Except Good & Expensive vacuum Cleaners

  6. Foob says:

    Dyson’s a brexit true believer. No doubt he thinks it’ll give him some competitive advantage. Bellend.

  7. Brave Lil' Toaster says:

    What could be the possible motivation for telling *Tesla*? Imagine how that conversation went?

    Dyson Exec: “Psst! Tesla! The company I work for is going to start building electric cars!”

    Elon Musk: “Sure, whatever.”

    DE: “But… What are you going to do about it?”

    EM: “Nothing. It says right there in our mission statement that half of the point of Tesla is to force every other automaker to compete with us in building EVs.”

    DE: “But! Then what good does it do to tell you?!”

    EM: “I don’t know. Why *did* you do that? It seems kind of stupid when you say it like that.”

    1. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

      LOL!
      😆 😆 😆

      Brilliant, BLT! Thank you.

  8. rosholt says:

    Electric street sweepers would be awesome!

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