European Approval: Tesla 100 kWh Model S And X Confirmed, 381 Miles Range* Range

AUG 12 2016 BY JAY COLE 81

New 100 kWh Tesla Model S (and X) confirmed by Dutch authority

New 100 kWh Tesla Model S (and X) confirmed by Dutch authority

RDW, the authority for Dutch vehicle registrations has released news that Tesla has “received official type approval for the the P100D version of the Model S and Model X” according to a post first by Kentekem.TV. Blog.

Time to take it up to 100

Time to take it up to 100

For cars to be sold in the EU, auto makers first need approval. Each OEM can choose their own home approving country in the group, and once approved can then produce the vehicle itself.

The details of that approval are saved on a “Certificate of Conformity”.  RDW which uses the full/original EU type data set (good for us) and also publishes it as open information (even better).

Anyway, as one might have guessed, Tesla Motors uses RDW to approve its vehicles.

Kentekem.TV describes the information available:

  • EU type approval number
  • Variant
  • Version
  • Issuing date

Long story short, Tesla is now on that list with 100 kWh versions of the Tesla Model S and Model X; and in the familiar 100D, P100D, and P100DL (Ludicrous mode) variants we have come to expect.

The range listed for the 100 kWh pack is 380 miles (or 613 km), which of course we realize is NEDC based.For comparison the Model S 90D is rated at 557 km/356 miles in the same RDW listing, whereas in the US, the EPA rating is 294 miles/475 km.

The new EU listing would indicate a 10.5% gain in range, which should translate to about a maximum of 324 miles/521 km of real world/EPA driving in the Model S (90D), and 270 miles in the most efficient Model X.

Chart (below): Use the existing range metrics in the chart below to calculate new ranges for other trim levels.

Today's Tesla Model S and X comparison for U.S.

Today’s Tesla Model S and X comparison for U.S.

Check out additional Tesla model charting, and the information behind it, at Kentekem.TV. Blog (via BGR)

 

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81 Comments on "European Approval: Tesla 100 kWh Model S And X Confirmed, 381 Miles Range* Range"

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Wow.

200 miles suddenly sounds paltry by comparison. No wonder Leaf sales are falling fast.

Suddenly my S85 is looking pretty paltry…..

i know that feeling

Agree and share the pain.

Great range ! But I’d hate to be the one paying $35,000 to $40,000 for the new battery in 8to10 yrs, when this one wears out!

With several Gigafactories, 100kWh will be like 5,000-10,000$ in 10 Years.

Long long before that.

This won’t be happening. The degradation rates for Tesla batteries are very low so the car should be capable of at least 200K miles with over 80% capacity on the original pack. No reason to replace the battery until well beyond that, or probably never.

http://cleantechnica.com/2015/05/18/battery-degradation-level-in-tesla-model-s-only-5-after-30000-miles/

Replace the battery “never” sounds really good..But I somehow doubt it, unless you lease or trade in every 3to4 yrs….Although ,Never would be the best!

I’ve noticed something about Leaf battery degradation, based on a lot of anecdotal evidence. (Yes, I know anecdotes aren’t data, I’m just saying)

Unless you live in a really hot climate and simultaneously don’t own a car with the new Lizard battery chemistry, the one thing that matters in battery degradation isn’t mileage.

It’s age. Actual, chronological age. I’ve seen Leafs working as taxis that have over 200,000 miles on them and still have all 12 bars of capacity. My 2012 Leaf has only about 70,000 km, yet we’ve recently lost our first bar. This is mirrored by the 2012 owners I’ve heard from on the Canadian Leaf Owner’s Facebook page.

So mileage or even number of charges doesn’t really matter in these large battery packs. Just how old the battery is. And since this is only happening to the 2011 and 2012 models, I don’t think that it’s happening at any breakneck pace – maybe 4.5% degradation per year, although I know it’s not linear. We might reach the 70% capacity mark in another 5 years or so.

If the current degradation rate of these new generation batteries are any indication(especially the temperature controlled ones) you better make that 15 years.?

And if Jeff Dahn had anything to do with the 100 kWh pack, you can be sure he knows a thing or two about degradation.

The model X’s battery charges with an insane speed in comparison to the old Model S.

Lets just say, your car will fall apart earlier than your battery.

Disposable Car… l o l ..I have a 18yr old Mercedes with 200,000 miles that is still Tight & runs like a 3yr old car & the Quality is still there & can go many more yrs if properly cared for.

Why would you pay $35k to keep an 8-10 yr old Tesla on the road other than antique reasons? Can you imagine what Tesla’s vehicles will look like at that time?

TurtlePWR you are 100% right ..By then you add a bit more money & buy Brand new no hassles. I also agree that that B-Pack prices should/will come down quite a bit by then…

Turtle, I think anyone that bought a Tesla S in 2014 won’t see their battery drop to 80% until 2024 at the earliest and probably not until 2026-28. If it drop below that earlier than that, it will be covered under warranty.
But if you have a luxury car like the S that is just 10-12 years old, the car still has a lot of life left in it. Tesla cells are down around $120 a kWh or thereabouts already, in 8-10 years the cells will be below $75 a kWh so the pack will be $100 a kWh at most, or $10,000.
Would you invest $10k to get another 10 years of use of a luxury car? I sure would, and that is worst casing the cost of the pack since much of the pack management system would not need to be replaced.
As Jimi noted, if you have a quality luxury car, Mercedes or Tesla, you can keep them 18-20 years with no worries.

Yeah, thankfully, that is NOT the case.
So far, the Model S with over 150K miles are still in the low 90%.
And even in 15 years, my guess is that a new battery will cost a couple of 1000 at most.

I hope for 80 kWh plus a software limited to 60 kwh. 100, 80 and 60 kWh sounds pretty good.

How about an option on those software limited batteries to be able to “Rent” the additional capacity for a week (for occasional longer distances) – perhaps charge $500 to rent the additional capacity for 10 days then auto-revert to the base capacity.

After 20 “rentals” – then go ahead and make it permanent.

Given how they already have the capacity – it could give them a little extra cash flow over time, and give customers that might have a hard time swallowing the $9000 upgrade bill an easier option to pay it over time.

That would be hilarious if Tesla had a rent to own program like furniture-appliance stores in the ghetto.

A BPA – Battery Purchase Agreement, like SolarCity’s Power Purchasing Agreement.

Dunno, it seems complicated and it feels like nickle and diming, not exactly the luxury experience that the Models S/X are supposed to be.

Ghetto??

A lot of people use rent-to-own to buy their car.

120 sounds pretty good too. It’s my magic number for when I will not want any more range, and Tesla will likely be the first one to get there.

Plood confirmed!

P100D for the uninitiated.

Is that leet-speak?

Ploodicrous!

Ploodtastic! 😀

Tesla continues to rapidly improve the compelling, long-range BEV market while…..
no other laggard OEM even makes an effort so far with the semi-effort of GM’s Bolt which I predict will be constrained by maximum 50kwh DCFC capability.

Don’t mix up kW and kWh.

They are as different as MPH and miles.

https://www.google.com/search?q=kw+vs+kwh

And LG/LGChem are responsible for a LOT of the Bolt. GM designed about half the EV parts, LG the rest. LG builds ALL of it, every bit of the Bolt powertrain, is built by LG and they are all assembled by LG. The battery cells AND the whole battery pack is built and assembled by LGChem.
GM isn’t *just* a coachbuilder but they aren’t capable of building Bolt without “unprecedented” help from LG, that’s the word the GM exec in charge of the Bolt project said.
If GM was to do all the building that Tesla does it would be a couple more years before Bolt would hit the streets. And it’d cost more too probably.
It was a brilliant move on GM’s part and the car will probably be quite good. But GM isn’t responsible as much for the 2 most fantastic features of the Bolt: its price and early availability.

Lol, nice try.

Purrpullberra said:

“GM isn’t *just* a coachbuilder but they aren’t capable of building Bolt without ‘unprecedented’ help from LG, that’s the word the GM exec in charge of the Bolt project said.”

You’re saying the same company that designed and produced Voltec, which is by far the best PHEV tech in the world, and has been the clear leader in that area since late 2010, can’t even design and build a rather simpler BEV? You’re claiming that LG Electronics, a company which specializes in consumer electronics, whose automotive division is brand-new and almost completely inexperienced, can do a better job of building an EV powertrain than GM can do in-house?

Ummm… no.

You’re confusing GM deciding to farm out the EV drivetrain to LG Electronics, in order to save money on development costs for the Bolt, with GM actually not having the engineering expertise they’ve already shown, and more than shown, with the Volt.

Well, we knew this was coming. So it comes down to a question of timing, and Tesla’s business strategy.

Will the S100 go on sale before the Model ≡?

Interesting that Tesla appears to be expanding its market even before the M≡ is produced; first they introduce new lower-priced version of the S and X, and now they may be soon introducing an even higher-trim version of the Model S.

I’ll do some speculating here: Perhaps Tesla’s aim is to ramp up overall production as much as they can on the Models S & X before the M≡ goes into production, then cut back on the older two models a bit as they introduce the M≡, so the ramp up in production won’t be quite as steep.

Or perhaps one has nothing to do with the other. As Tesla grows, so will its ability to do at least 2 or 3 things at once.

They have been up-gunning their models for a while now. I expect that has culminated in the P-100. Tesla is the iconic ev producer and they aim to remain so. So first to 100, and all that entails, is part of it. Also it tends to differentiate what the top of the line Model III could be. What will that be with largest battery pack..50wh..60?

kwh

Let he who has never made that mistake… cast the first stone. 😉

(It won’t be me!)

Casting a stone right now …

It’s kWh.

Actually, he pickily cast a stone, it’s kWh.

The watt has the symbol W (upper case) because it’s named after a person. (James Watt in the watt’s case).

Ok, so why is it CdA? As opposed to cda? Why does coefficient and area get capitalized and not drag? I think it is because. LOL!

Cd and A are not SI units.

In any case, it is somewhat made up as we go along. The only reason that it is k for kilo is that K was already used for kelvin.

Watt??? Funny, I never knew that. James Watt of course, but kWh. Now that is answered.

If the entry-level Model ≡ will have 200+ miles, then it seems almost certain that — as several of us have predicted — the smallest battery pack will be about 55 kWh.

I’m not going to even try to guess at the largest. Too many variables there: cost, profit margin, business strategy, and likely other factors I’m not yet considering.

It seems likely Tesla will offer at least two battery capacity sizes for the initial M≡ offering, but will they offer three? I’m guessing only two, but that’s just a guess, not a prediction.

My guess is as good as anyones 🙂 I guess; two hardware batteries and three trim levels with software limitation.

Pu-pu: It’s called the Model 3. Your attempt to replicate the LOGO with a character that has absolutely NOTHING to do with Tesla looks as stupid as it is.

That’s what they have on the car and on their website. Three horizontal lines. Personally I am not big fan of it, but it is accurate.

LOL! Poor Terawatt. Non-Roman alphanumeric characters make his head explode.

Fortunately, Tesla has more imagination.

I appreciate the effort Pushmi-Pullyu puts into getting Model 3 to look right, but I’m not going to bother. Your complaining is annoying.

I would expect it to be available by September.

I bet they will reveal it at the same time as AP2

250+ miles of BEV range is freakin’ sexy.

Just in time for those rich P90DL owners to trade up…

Tesla knows how to keep the top end customer happy by taking their cash every 2 years in upgrades… =)

Smart strategy.

So, just wait for P100DP mode showing 0-60mph times of 2.5 seconds…

“So, just wait for P100DP mode showing 0-60mph times of 2.5 seconds…”

I remember a video review of one of the more recent Tesla Model S Performance-trim upgrades, where Robert Llewellyn said it actually hurt his chest to do an “Insane” launch!

At what point is Tesla going to make the acceleration so extreme that it starts giving elderly people heart attacks?

And I’m only half kidding.

That is why we have Consumer Reports the new Robin Hood. Lol

I’m thinking the requirement is that you have to GIVE Tesla your money. Do the non-rich P90DL owners get left out??

And hence the autopilot with a preset destination to the nearest emergency room:-)

At the Tesla Giga Factory I saw a S95D in the parking lot. I’ve never seen or heard of a 100D on the road yet in the USA.

If there is a Model S100 on the road, even here in the USA, it’s a test mule or pre-production unit. The car isn’t in production yet. We know it’s coming, but Tesla isn’t going to officially announce it until they’re ready to start letting people order one.

What if all P90 being built today are already P100 and you just have to purchase an upgrade to unlock… That’s just crazy talk. Who would ever do that?

Model S100 owners are going to want to proudly display the “100D” or “P100D” badge on the back of their car. Yes, I see your point; that you can unlock one of the new S60s to be an S75. But that’s not a top-of-the-line model.

Sadly, even Tesla can’t change the badge displayed on your car by an over-the-air upgrade. At least, not yet…

So while it’s physically possible that Tesla could put the S100 into production, and announcing it as a feature available to recent purchasers of S90s or S95s, I don’t see that happening. (And since Bill Howland has cast aspersions on my predictive ability, I’ll make this a prediction: Tesla isn’t gonna do that.)

Let’s see… 110kWh in 2017 and 120kWh in 2018. With approx 392 miles of EPA range. Will the competition have anything even close?

What competition?

Why the newer, more powerful coming lineup, the Nissan Trunk and the Chevy Arc-flash!?

You ask rethorically in the arrogant expectation that there is no competiton – and there won’t be in 2018 either. I find it quite disingenious. I wish as much as anyone that the market had been flooded with excellent EVs with loads of range long ago, or at least by tomorrow. But there are very logical reasons why it hasn’t. All of the incumbents are making good money on their fossil-fueled cars, whereas nobody is currently making good money selling EVs. In this situation you’d expect the incumbents, if they behave rationally, to start investing in the technology – but mainly in preparation of the future where EVs will actually be very important for the bottom line. Looking ahead, there is every reason to believe that EV technology will be cost competitive, and superior in nearly all other respects, with very little compromise on anything (recharging will likely remain slower than refueling for some time – but it will only matter in a few cases). Hence there’s every reason to think the incumbents will make lots of EVs that are intented to be the only vehicle you’ll need. So while it is perhaps accurate to claim there are no Tesla… Read more »
Another Euro point of view

You exactly understood it, one need to have a dedicated EV platform ready for production and thoroughly master the technology but DON’T sell them in large numbers unless you have a strong sweetheart deal with your shareholders like Tesla does. Now what Tesla does is excellent as it pushes the rest of the world in the right direction so I hope this sweetheart deal is strong enough as it would be a tragedy for car electrification (and thus for climate change issues) if Tesla was running out of shareholders cash before issuing the Model 3 in significant numbers.

Let’s see, Tesla’s major unique advantages:

Only ones to use NCA-graphite/Si chemistry for the highest specific energy

Lowest cost per kWh

Highest battery production capacity, and getting higher at a more rapid pace. Expected to be double everyone else combined in 2017, approaching triple in 2018.

Only ones to use high performance AC induction motors

Only ones with near full OTA firmware update capability

Most advanced ADAS system shipping

Highest speed and most widespread DC charging network to support long distance driving

Shipping the cheapest per amp L2 EVSE

It is not all that simple for others to replicate Tesla’s battery advantages. They can do it, but they have yet to put the strength of their resources into it.

All the”Tesla Killers” just waiting to be released. Seems like one a week, we hear about … yet they never materialize.

The new Karma revert lol

Allies of Pushmi-Pullyu

Oh lord…this is it! This might be the ultimate defining moment when ALL people see the electric car as a TRUE replacement for the ICE-car! 613 km per charge is overwhelming! Well done Tesla!

1200+ km NEDC is overwhelming. 600+km seems only overwhelming because no other has done it yet in a BEV. But it is still far below any ICE…

Model S must go up with battery options when 60 kWh Bolt arrives for 37.500 $.

I think it will be an exciting day when a gas car is the vehicle with “low range”

I seem to recall last year when I stated that by 2020 we would see Battery EV’s with a range between 400-500 miles, there were quite a few sceptics on here, I can’t say for sure this a given but it sure as hell looks a lot more realistic with a range of around 320 miles available in 2016 ! I bet some of us could get close to 400 miles with a very Eco style of driving even now.

Kudos to Elon for dragging the rest of the motor industry world into the 21st Century.

I will also reiterate that all the major players in the industry will start catching up from 2020 onwards for the mass market with regards to EV’s.

They need battery factories first. If they start building them today they might have a chance, but I haven’t seen anything that indicates that.

Very nice! The 300+ mile milestone is firmly passed! Now let’s make a cheaper version.

Am I the only one that thinks that this is great news to further dismiss the fool cells?

The TMS 100D will probably reach 320 miles EPA range. That’s more than the 312 miles the Toyota Mirai gets.

The upper versions of the TM3 should also surpass 312 miles EPA range.

Poor Toyota and their fool cells…

Yes. If you look at all the time and money spent on hydrogen and battery tech– batteries are more quickly benefitting from advances frim R&D, and reaching consumers quicker.

For context, vehicles in the European Union must be validated by an authorized approving company before it can be sold in the EU. Tesla uses a Dutch company   for getting its vehicles approved. Years worth of vehicle registration and approval data is made  publicly accessible  through the company s database.