More Details On Volkswagen’s First Long-Range Electric Car

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New MEB Architecture To Underpin 300+ Mile Mid-Size EV From VW For 2019

New MEB Architecture To Underpin 300+ Mile Mid-Size EV From VW For 2019

Autocar has uncovered a few additional details on Volkswagen upcoming (2019-ish) long-range electric car.

VW chairman Herbert Diess revealed the additional info, which we’ve bulleted below:

  • Exterior dimensions of a Golf
  • Interior space of a Passat
  • Debut at Paris motor Show
  • Launch set for late 2018 or early 2019

No further details were revealed by Diess, but from previous reports we do know that VW targets a range of 310 miles (NEDC, presumably) a charging time of 15 minutes and that the car will utilize the MEB platform.

Source: Autocar

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Please let their be a real car at the Paris auto show. It is the only way anyone will believe that this time is different. Otherwise it is just vaporware an VW should be fined annually until all of their models are available as EV’s

I beleive the EPA ruling states VW has to make electric cars and make a lot of them so this would obviously not be vaporware…

The goverments of the world should demand alot more EVs and sooner but that is not the fault of any company…
They should also end the fuel cell green car illusion that Toyota and Honda lkke to push…

Sorry, Charlie. Nothing in the settlement about building EVs. Quite the contrary: https://www.epa.gov/enforcement/volkswagen-clean-air-act-partial-settlement The VW settlement, “will require Volkswagen to invest an additional $2 billion to promote the use of zero emission vehicles (“ZEVs”) and ZEV technology. ” 1) $1.2 billion for EPA 2) $800 million for CARB, payable over 10 years ($200 million every 2.5 years) ******** Zero Emission Vehicle (ZEV) Investment The CAA 2.0 liter partial settlement requires Volkswagen to invest $2 billion in ZEV charging infrastructure and in the promotion of ZEVs. To that end, Volkswagen will invest $800 million in California and $1.2 billion throughout the rest of the nation, over the next decade. Volkswagen will invest more in California than in other states due to California’s pivotal role in the case and the market demand for charging infrastructure in California. The ZEV investments required by the CAA 2.0 liter partial settlement are intended to address the fact that consumers purchased these illegal vehicles under the mistaken belief that such vehicles were lower-emitting than others. Examples of ZEV investment for which Volkswagen may obtain credit against the $1.2 billion commitment include, for example, level 2 charging at multi-unit dwellings, workplaces, and public sites, direct current fast… Read more »

Please let there be a real car at the Paris auto show. It is the only way anyone will believe that this time is different. Otherwise it is just vaporware an VW should be fined annually until all of their models are available as EV’s

So 300 mile range w/ 15 min charging (presumably empty to full) equals about 400KW average charging rate. I hope they realize how absurd this claim is. Just for comparison, Supercharging is currently around 150kw.

‘400 kw ridiculous’.

Sounds just like more proof that VW is indeed the largest EV model manufacturer. But they’re all concept cars, and the models they do make in volume aren’t that compelling.

VW is not even in the same league as Tesla.

BTW 15 minutes will be counted from minimum up to 80%.

Last 20% or so is always heavily limited as not to damage the battery.

Though this is also similar to Audi plans for 200~300kWh fast charging.

Its 0-80%, but, as far as I know, CCS is working on 350kW Chargers so 400kW wouldn’t be that ridiculous. The batteries might be a problem, but if they think they can do it…

I can believe they can build a concept car (prototype) capable of charging that fast. They might use non-standard batteries optimized for fast charging.

Building a production PEV (Plug-in EV) that charges that fast, without having a truly massive battery pack… that might be a challenge, with current battery tech.

Battery makers need to hurry up and start making batteries with graphene-enhanced electrodes, so we can get batteries which have a much lower resistance to charging and discharging, making 5-to-10-minute charge times practical. Graphene enhancements for batteries have been stuck in the lab for too long. It’s past time for some company to figure out how to mass produce those!

Basic research does not conform to time schedules my friend. Theoretically interesting it still hasnt yielded practical result. It might. It might even do it soon, or it may never yield any results, and we dont know the timeline.

“Super” charging for over half an hour is indeed ridiculous waste of time if you have faster options. Development of backwards compatible CCS Plus at 350 kW was announced by Charin many months ago and Porsche Mission E prototype was supposed to use it too. Chademo is doing the same.

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Tesla should wake up and finally go with open standards instead of obstructing common charging infrastructure deployment with their proprietary walled garden approach.

Tesla is part of Charin, so they will be using an open standard, as soon as its usable. If they had stuck with a patchy network of 50kW CCS for the past years, they would have had problems selling their cars.

300 mile NEDC could be a 50 kWh pack like Model 3.

0-80% in 15 minutes probably means 150 kW CCS.

Maybe that’s NEDC charge time 😉

Ha ha. I wish they would just sell more eGolf in all states instead just a few. And in Germany too, I have seen zero on the road. Even bought it’s a great car, and they should not care so much about margin on that car now since they are catching up, as numbers rise they can optimize that. It’s a sweet car for the price and once model 3 comes out and the wait list is super long there is still a market for the shorter range ones too…

I’ve seen a few eGolfs on the road here in Arizona. A local used car company even has sone for sale but they are $20K and up. A Chevy SPARK EV on the other hand is $10-14K and has cooled batteries for 20-30 year life. https://www.usedvwaudi.com/inventory/Used-2015-Volkswagen-e-Golf/326626

It is not just that company if you look on Auto Trader at Phoenix there are a number of used electric Sparks, eGolfs, and 500e that have been brought over from CA…

The interior of a Passat in the exterior of a Golf? Wow, now I know that’s vaporware.

It’s Like walking into a tent , And inside You’ve got the Tajmahal !….Why so much Hungawa and Vapor ware from VOLTSWAGEN ? Everything they claim, sound like a Load Of Bull . Although I wish they would Built some nice EV’s .. It would be great to see their nice prototypes come a reality.

Electric motor doesn’t take so much space as ICE and batteries may be put in the bottom, so you have much more passenger volume than in ICE or plugin hybrid car of the same exterior dimensions. It is common for most EVs, including Chevy Bolt and should be obvious for anybody who sit inside such cars.

Why? the Golf & Passat aren’t that far apart in interior space. If one doesn’t insist on too many “boxes” in the design, it should work fine.
The most space-efficient vehicle I’ve drive is the original Mercedes A-series MPV (W169 model type) — minivan shape, but engine underneath the front seats, so virtually no engine compartment in front. It was very short (383cm/151in), but had 435 litres of cargo — more than many mid-size sedans.

If VW gives up on a frunk, they could basically have a 1.5-box design — very space efficient.

Tesla is so far ahead it is not funny. They have their model 3 coming out presold 400,000 units just completed their battery factory when fully operational 1kw of storage will be $150.00. The model 3 build quality will be equal to the BMW 328I, however quicker, smoother, free charging, and the big kicker will have better resale value. The EV is a disruptive technology and Tesla is the disruptor. History is littered with companies destroyed by disruptive tech. Horse and buggy/Ford model T, Kodak/digital camera, Internet. The auto industry is all in on ICE vehicles building 15 million cars a year, however with only a 5% profit margin. If EVs challenge those numbers and the model 3 is already doing that EV price keeps dropping and ICE cars increase in price and them game over.

Supercharging for the Tesla Model 3 is not free. Even at $150/kwh a 50kwh pack will cost $7500, still a significant premium for EVs.

The premium is actually 50$ * 50 = 2500$.

2500$ for extra smooth, extra fast, extra energetic drive?

No brainier.

TCO much much MUCH lower then any ICE competitor?

Its Game Over for ICEs as soon as Tesla (or anyone else) produce 200 milers at 35 000$ (unsubsidized) at mass numbers.

Those 380K reservations are a nice achievement, no question, but
Tesla hasn’t pre-sold a single Model 3.

Reservations are NOT presales. Pre-sale is when there are full specs (including price) available, and there is some commitment on the orderer’s part.

In the 3-4 weeks after the reservations opened, 2% of reservations were canceled… We’ll see how many reservations actually convert to sales once the car is available in quantity.

380K is just the preorders! Imagine what happens when people see the car or get smoked by a Tesla 3 while driving super charged 60K car sales will jump not to mention fuel is not going to stay at $2.00 very long. We have not seen preorders like this since the first Iphone. VW or any other car manufacturer will only build compliant cars as they need to hold or increase volume on ICE cars to maintain profitable scale. No company has ever survived a disruptive technology as the disrupted company always desperately tries to hold onto the old technology until it is too late. If the T3 gets anywhere near a million unites it is game over.

1 kw is not a unit of energy.

Hopefully, VW brass do not plan to be successful selling this in North America. In order to sell well here, they need something as big as a Toureg, at least. Most people are afraid to drive a Golf-sized car because the best selling vehicle segment is the high and mighty pickup truck that weighs 3 tons and will absolutely maim and kill everybody riding in a small car in case of a collision.

VW = Vaporwarewagen.

Lol ! Does this mean they will advertise a 60 KW Battery but actually install a 30 KW battery and the rest filled with recycled plastic like counterfeit Chinese batteries or will they choose the more environmentally used egg shells? 🙂 Das Auto Electric – we vil see ven the Model building is kaput. An Product Delivered (And independently test in VW’s case)

Agreed. I won’t believe this until I see it at local dealerships (sold in all 50 States).

For context, VW built an amazing car (XL1) that gets 261 MPG. Did that make mass market? No, they decided to hand build it on custom orders at a price of $146,000 per vehicle.

Just because VW builds a 250 mile EPA rated range EV, doesn’t equate to people being able to buy the vehicle at a reasonable cost.

Launch in late 2018 ahahah Tesla is making awesome cars NOW and VW etc always procrastinate!